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* DontAsk: Rodney, regarding [[ColdBloodedTorture whatever]] [[AnalProbing happened]] during his VirtualRealityInterrogation.
-->'''Rodney:''' Torture too hideous and... intimate... to mention.\\
'''Ronan:''' What'd they do to you?\\
'''Rodney:''' [''Louder''] [[AskAStupidQuestion TORTURE TOO HIDEOUS AND INTIMATE TO MENTION!]]
-->'''Rodney:''' Torture too hideous and... intimate... to mention.\\
'''Ronan:''' What'd they do to you?\\
'''Rodney:''' [''Louder''] [[AskAStupidQuestion TORTURE TOO HIDEOUS AND INTIMATE TO MENTION!]]
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Oberon states that they will deal with the Wraith at a time and place of their choosing. Season Four will reveal [[spoiler: he's lying and that the Asurans ''can't'' attack the Wraith due to Wraith-engineered corruption of their programming.]
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Oberon states that they will deal with the Wraith at a time and place of their choosing. Season Four will reveal [[spoiler: he's lying and that the Asurans ''can't'' attack the Wraith due to Wraith-engineered corruption of their programming.]]]
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Oberon states that they will deal with the Wraith at a time and place of their choosing. Season Four will reveal [[spoiler: he's lying and that the Asurans ''can't'' attack the Wraith due to Wraith-engineered corruption of their programming.]
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** What makes it a really strange aversion is that revealing the Ida Galaxy Replicators are of Ancient origin (and descended from the Asurans) could easily have solved the longstanding mysteries of the origins of [[Recap/StargateSG1S5E19Menace Reese]] and the anti-Replicator disruptor [[Recap/StargateSG1S8E2NewOrderPart2 buried]] in the Ancient Repositories of Knowledge.
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* NeglectfulPrecursors [=/=] AbusivePrecursors: The Ancient treatment of the Asurans.
* NotSoDifferent: Depending on your interpretation, [[HumansAreBastards Humanity]] to the [[AbusivePrecursors Ancients]]. The Asurans begged the Ancients to rewrite their base code to make them less aggressive, only for their creators to try to wipe them out. When the same request is made by Niam to the Atlantis team, they plot to [[HeelFaceDoorSlam betray him and destroy the Asuran City-Ship]] once they have the upper hand (though it is worth noting that they're happy enough to bring him along, only spacing him after he gets taken over by the rest of the Asuran collective, and the City-Ship is on the way to obliterate Atlantis out of sheer pique). Presumably this is why the Ancients considered Humanity to be their [[ParentalFavoritism favorite son]]?
** And the Asurans to the Ancients, their creators. After all, they intended to wipe out the Atlantis expedition, which had absolutely no relation to the Ancients they so hated, simply because they lived in Atlantis, they treated the captured members of the Expedition with the same kind of disregard (once they were mined for all useful information, most Asurans were happy to kill them), and when Niam acted against their wishes, they attempted to rewrite him. Also, they had the signature arrogance down pat.
* NotSoDifferent: Depending on your interpretation, [[HumansAreBastards Humanity]] to the [[AbusivePrecursors Ancients]]. The Asurans begged the Ancients to rewrite their base code to make them less aggressive, only for their creators to try to wipe them out. When the same request is made by Niam to the Atlantis team, they plot to [[HeelFaceDoorSlam betray him and destroy the Asuran City-Ship]] once they have the upper hand (though it is worth noting that they're happy enough to bring him along, only spacing him after he gets taken over by the rest of the Asuran collective, and the City-Ship is on the way to obliterate Atlantis out of sheer pique). Presumably this is why the Ancients considered Humanity to be their [[ParentalFavoritism favorite son]]?
** And the Asurans to the Ancients, their creators. After all, they intended to wipe out the Atlantis expedition, which had absolutely no relation to the Ancients they so hated, simply because they lived in Atlantis, they treated the captured members of the Expedition with the same kind of disregard (once they were mined for all useful information, most Asurans were happy to kill them), and when Niam acted against their wishes, they attempted to rewrite him. Also, they had the signature arrogance down pat.
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* NeglectfulPrecursors [=/=] AbusivePrecursors: NeglectfulPrecursors: The Ancient treatment of the Asurans.
* NotSoDifferent: Depending on your interpretation, [[HumansAreBastards Humanity]] to the [[AbusivePrecursors Ancients]]. The Asurans begged the Ancients to rewrite their base code to make them less aggressive, only for their creators to try to wipe them out. When the same request is made by Niam to the Atlantis team, they plot to [[HeelFaceDoorSlam betray him and destroy the Asuran City-Ship]] once they have the upper hand (though it is worth noting that they're happy enough to bring him along, only spacing him after he gets taken over by the rest of the Asuran collective, and the City-Ship is on the way to obliterate Atlantis out of sheer pique). Presumably this is why the Ancients considered Humanity to be their [[ParentalFavoritism favorite son]]?
**Asurans. And the Asurans to the Ancients, their creators. After all, they intended to wipe out the Atlantis expedition, which had absolutely no relation to the Ancients they so hated, simply because they lived in Atlantis, they treated the captured members of the Expedition with the same kind of disregard (once they were mined for all useful information, most Asurans were happy to kill them), and when Niam acted against their wishes, they attempted to rewrite him. Also, they had the signature arrogance down pat.
* NotSoDifferent: Depending on your interpretation, [[HumansAreBastards Humanity]] to the [[AbusivePrecursors Ancients]]. The Asurans begged the Ancients to rewrite their base code to make them less aggressive, only for their creators to try to wipe them out. When the same request is made by Niam to the Atlantis team, they plot to [[HeelFaceDoorSlam betray him and destroy the Asuran City-Ship]] once they have the upper hand (though it is worth noting that they're happy enough to bring him along, only spacing him after he gets taken over by the rest of the Asuran collective, and the City-Ship is on the way to obliterate Atlantis out of sheer pique). Presumably this is why the Ancients considered Humanity to be their [[ParentalFavoritism favorite son]]?
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* ThrownOutTheAirlock: Niam. [[spoiler: He gets better in a later episode... for about 6 seconds, when he's hit by an ARG]].
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* WellDoneSonGuy: The Asurans to the Ancients.
* WhamLine: "They're not people...they're machines! Replicators!"
* WhamLine: "They're not people...they're machines! Replicators!"
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%% * WellDoneSonGuy: The Asurans to the Ancients.
* WhamLine: "They're not people...they're machines! Replicators!"Ancients.
* WhamLine: "They're not people...they're machines! Replicators!"
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* ArcWelding: Technically averted. While Rodney notes the Asurans are ''very'' similar to the Human Form Replicators that SG-1 [[Recap/StargateSG1S6E12UnnaturalSelection encountered]] and may be related, the Asurans and the Ancients are never explicitly connected to the original Replicator storyline.
** What makes it a really strange aversion is that revealing the Ida Galaxy Replicators are of Ancient origin (and descended from the Asurans) could easily have solved the longstanding mysteries of the origins of [[Recap/StargateSG1S5E19Menace Reese]] and the anti-Replicator disruptor [[Recap/StargateSG1S8E2NewOrderPart2 buried]] in the Ancient Repositories of Knowledge.
** What makes it a really strange aversion is that revealing the Ida Galaxy Replicators are of Ancient origin (and descended from the Asurans) could easily have solved the longstanding mysteries of the origins of [[Recap/StargateSG1S5E19Menace Reese]] and the anti-Replicator disruptor [[Recap/StargateSG1S8E2NewOrderPart2 buried]] in the Ancient Repositories of Knowledge.
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* BuffySpeak: Sheppard's "ancienty" and "unancienty"
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* BuffySpeak: Sheppard's "ancienty" and "unancienty""unancienty".
* ContinuityNod: Rodney and Sheppard both cite SG-1's previous [[Recap/StargateSG1S6E12UnnaturalSelection encounters]] with the Human Form Replicators and how the SGC was [[Recap/StargateSG1S8E17ReckoningPart2 barely]] able to defeat them.
* ContinuityNod: Rodney and Sheppard both cite SG-1's previous [[Recap/StargateSG1S6E12UnnaturalSelection encounters]] with the Human Form Replicators and how the SGC was [[Recap/StargateSG1S8E17ReckoningPart2 barely]] able to defeat them.
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The Atlantis expedition's latest probe arrives on a planet of apparently advanced people who are willing to receive visitors. On stepping through, the team (and Weir) find themselves in an oddly familiar gate room- their hosts, the Asurans, live in a city-ship identical to Atlantis. What's more, they claim to actually be Ancients, a splinter group who broke off from the others before the Wraith besieged Atlantis.
Relations are a bit difficult for Weir to work out, though. The team points out that they and the rest of the galaxy could really use some help against the Wraith, even if it's just a ZPM. The Asurans' leader, Oberoth, refuses to help, but insists that they're aware of the Wraith and will handle them. Eventually. The Atlantis crew is less than impressed by this.
Then [=McKay=] makes a horrible discovery: the Asurans aren't Ancients at all, but advanced human-form Replicators. The team's hosts confirm this; they were an experimental weapon designed by the Ancients to fight the Wraith, but grew too aggressive and were ruthlessly wiped out by their creators. This left them with a bit of a grudge- and now that they know Atlantis still exists, they plan to fly over and destroy it out of spite, even though there haven't been any Ancients on it in millennia.
Relations are a bit difficult for Weir to work out, though. The team points out that they and the rest of the galaxy could really use some help against the Wraith, even if it's just a ZPM. The Asurans' leader, Oberoth, refuses to help, but insists that they're aware of the Wraith and will handle them. Eventually. The Atlantis crew is less than impressed by this.
Then [=McKay=] makes a horrible discovery: the Asurans aren't Ancients at all, but advanced human-form Replicators. The team's hosts confirm this; they were an experimental weapon designed by the Ancients to fight the Wraith, but grew too aggressive and were ruthlessly wiped out by their creators. This left them with a bit of a grudge- and now that they know Atlantis still exists, they plan to fly over and destroy it out of spite, even though there haven't been any Ancients on it in millennia.
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* FromNobodyToNightmare: A bit of a variation; although created as a weapon, the Asurans ''wanted'' to be a Nobody. Then the Atlantis team showed up, and they turned into a Nightmare.
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* FromNobodyToNightmare: A bit of a variation; although created as a weapon, the Asurans ''wanted'' to be a Nobody. Then the Atlantis team showed up, and they turned into a Nightmare.Nightmare - though, granted, they kind of chose that, on account of their grudge against Atlantis.
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* NotSoDifferent: [[HumansAreBastards Humanity]] to the [[AbusivePrecursors Ancients]]. The Asurans begged the Ancients to rewrite their base code to make them less aggressive, only for their creators to try to wipe them out. When the same request is made by Niam to the Atlantis team, they plot to [[HeelFaceDoorSlam betray him and destroy the Asuran City-Ship]] once they have the upper hand (though it is worth noting that they're happy enough to bring him along and the City-Ship is on the way to obliterate Atlantis out of sheer pique). Presumably this is why the Ancients considered Humanity to be their [[ParentalFavoritism favorite son]]?
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* NotSoDifferent: Depending on your interpretation, [[HumansAreBastards Humanity]] to the [[AbusivePrecursors Ancients]]. The Asurans begged the Ancients to rewrite their base code to make them less aggressive, only for their creators to try to wipe them out. When the same request is made by Niam to the Atlantis team, they plot to [[HeelFaceDoorSlam betray him and destroy the Asuran City-Ship]] once they have the upper hand (though it is worth noting that they're happy enough to bring him along along, only spacing him after he gets taken over by the rest of the Asuran collective, and the City-Ship is on the way to obliterate Atlantis out of sheer pique). Presumably this is why the Ancients considered Humanity to be their [[ParentalFavoritism favorite son]]?
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* GrownBeyondTheirProgramming: The Asuran Replicators were originally built as a mindless swarm of nanites that would destroy the Wraith on a molecular level. Instead they assembled themselves into humanoid form and refused their role as weapons.
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* GrownBeyondTheirProgramming: GrewBeyondTheirProgramming: The Asuran Replicators were originally built as a mindless swarm of nanites that would destroy the Wraith on a molecular microscopic level. Instead they assembled themselves into humanoid form and refused their role as weapons.
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* GrownBeyondTheirProgramming: The Asuran Replicators were originally built as a mindless swarm of nanites that would destroy the Wraith on a molecular level. Instead they assembled themselves into humanoid form and refused their role as weapons.
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* TheVaguenessIsComing: The Asuran council insist they will deal with the Wraith 'at a time of our choosing'. The Atlantis team calls bullshit on it.
* WellDoneSonGuy: The Asurans to the Ancients.
* WellDoneSonGuy: The Asurans to the Ancients.
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* TheVaguenessIsComing: UnwinnableTrainingSimulation: The Asurans put Sheppard and Ronon in these when they mind probe them. In Sheppard's case, it's an attack on Atlantis by dozens of Wraith hive ships. Ronon describes being locked in a dark room fighting an endless stream of opponents for hours on end.
* VaguenessIsComing: The Asuran council insist they will deal with the Wraith 'at a time of our choosing'. The Atlantis team calls bullshit on it.
* WellDoneSonGuy: The Asurans to theAncients.Ancients.
* WhamLine: "They're not people...they're machines! Replicators!"
* VaguenessIsComing: The Asuran council insist they will deal with the Wraith 'at a time of our choosing'. The Atlantis team calls bullshit on it.
* WellDoneSonGuy: The Asurans to the
* WhamLine: "They're not people...they're machines! Replicators!"
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* DisproportionateRetribution: The Asurans want to destroy Atlantis. Even though the Ancients haven't been around for 10,000 years, and the current inhabitants are, technically, not even the same species, much less the same society that once tried to wipe the Asurans out.
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* MisplacedRetribution: The Asurans want to destroy Atlantis. Even though the Ancients haven't been around for 10,000 years, and the current inhabitants are, technically, not even the same species, much less the same society that once tried to wipe the Asurans out.
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* DisproportionateRetribution: The Asurans want to destroy Atlantis. Even though the Ancients haven't been around for 10,000 years, and the current inhabitants are, technically, not even the same species, much less the same society that once tried to wipe the Asurans out.
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* NotSoDifferent: [[HumansAreBastards Humanity]] to the [[AbusivePrecursors Ancients]]. The Asurans begged the Ancients to rewrite their base code to make them less aggressive, only for their creators to try to wipe them out. When the same request is made by Niam to the Atlantis team, they plot to [[HeelFaceDoorSlam betray him and destroy the Asuran City-Ship]] once they have the upper hand. Presumably this is why the Ancients considered Humanity to be their [[ParentalFavoritism favorite son]]?
* RecycledSet: Asuras looks a ''lot'' like Atlantis...for good reason.
* RestrainingBolt: It is written into their code that the Asurans are incapable of acting against the Ancients.
* RecycledSet: Asuras looks a ''lot'' like Atlantis...for good reason.
* RestrainingBolt: It is written into their code that the Asurans are incapable of acting against the Ancients.
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* NotSoDifferent: [[HumansAreBastards Humanity]] to the [[AbusivePrecursors Ancients]]. The Asurans begged the Ancients to rewrite their base code to make them less aggressive, only for their creators to try to wipe them out. When the same request is made by Niam to the Atlantis team, they plot to [[HeelFaceDoorSlam betray him and destroy the Asuran City-Ship]] once they have the upper hand.hand (though it is worth noting that they're happy enough to bring him along and the City-Ship is on the way to obliterate Atlantis out of sheer pique). Presumably this is why the Ancients considered Humanity to be their [[ParentalFavoritism favorite son]]?
** And the Asurans to the Ancients, their creators. After all, they intended to wipe out the Atlantis expedition, which had absolutely no relation to the Ancients they so hated, simply because they lived in Atlantis, they treated the captured members of the Expedition with the same kind of disregard (once they were mined for all useful information, most Asurans were happy to kill them), and when Niam acted against their wishes, they attempted to rewrite him. Also, they had the signature arrogance down pat.
* RecycledSet: Asuras looks a ''lot'' like Atlantis... for good reason.
* RestrainingBolt: It is written into their code that the Asurans are incapable of acting against the Ancients. Humans, on the other hand...
** And the Asurans to the Ancients, their creators. After all, they intended to wipe out the Atlantis expedition, which had absolutely no relation to the Ancients they so hated, simply because they lived in Atlantis, they treated the captured members of the Expedition with the same kind of disregard (once they were mined for all useful information, most Asurans were happy to kill them), and when Niam acted against their wishes, they attempted to rewrite him. Also, they had the signature arrogance down pat.
* RecycledSet: Asuras looks a ''lot'' like Atlantis... for good reason.
* RestrainingBolt: It is written into their code that the Asurans are incapable of acting against the Ancients. Humans, on the other hand...
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* SequelEpisode: Niam reveals that the Asurans are the end result of the experiments that produced the nanites released in "Hot Zone".
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* AnalProbing: [=McKay=] likens the Asurans' Mind-probing to this.
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* AnalProbing: [=McKay=] likens the Asurans' Mind-probing to this.this, and implies this is what he experienced with "torture too hideous and...[[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything intimate]]... to mention".
-->'''Niam:''' Your minds are no longer being probed.\\
'''Sheppard:''' It's good to know it was just our ''minds''.\\
'''[=McKay=]:''' Oh, please don't make me sick.
-->'''Niam:''' Your minds are no longer being probed.\\
'''Sheppard:''' It's good to know it was just our ''minds''.\\
'''[=McKay=]:''' Oh, please don't make me sick.
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* NotSoDifferent: [[HumansAreBastards Humanity]] to the [[AbusivePrecursors Ancients]]. The Asurans begged the Ancients to rewrite their base code to make them less aggressive, only for their creators to try to wipe them out. When the same request is made by Niam to the Atlantis team, they plot to [[HeelFaceDoorSlam betray him and destroy the Asuran City-Ship]] once they have the upper hand. Presumably this is why the Ancients considered Humanity to be their [[ParentalFavouritism favourite son]]?
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* NotSoDifferent: [[HumansAreBastards Humanity]] to the [[AbusivePrecursors Ancients]]. The Asurans begged the Ancients to rewrite their base code to make them less aggressive, only for their creators to try to wipe them out. When the same request is made by Niam to the Atlantis team, they plot to [[HeelFaceDoorSlam betray him and destroy the Asuran City-Ship]] once they have the upper hand. Presumably this is why the Ancients considered Humanity to be their [[ParentalFavouritism favourite [[ParentalFavoritism favorite son]]?
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* HeelFaceDoorSlam: Even if Niam's plan ''had'' worked, the Asurans onboard the City-Ship would have still been destroyed since the Atlantis team had already rigged the [=ZPMs=] to explode.
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* NotSoDifferent: [[HumansAreBastards Humanity]] to the [[AbusivePrecursors Ancients]]. The Asurans begged the Ancients to rewrite their base code to make them less aggressive, only for their creators to try to wipe them out. When the same request is made by Niam to the Atlantis team, they plot to [[HeelFaceDoorSlam betray him and destroy the Asuran City-Ship]] once they have the upper hand. Presumably this is why the Ancients considered Humanity to be their [[ParentalFavouritism favourite son]]?
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* TemptingFate: [=McKay=] to the temporarily frozen Oberoth.
--> '''[=McKay=]''': Not so arrogant now, are you?
--> *''Oberoth grabs him by the throat''*
--> '''[=McKay=]''': Not so arrogant now, are you?
--> *''Oberoth grabs him by the throat''*
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* AnalProbing: ''Strongly'' implied to have been part of [=McKay=]'s replicator-induced experiences.
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* AnalProbing: ''Strongly'' implied [=McKay=] likens the Asurans' Mind-probing to have been part of [=McKay=]'s replicator-induced experiences.this.
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* ThreeLawsCompliant: The Asurans, with respect to the Ancients. Given how the Ancients treated them, they're ''not'' happy that they weren't able to fight back.
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* ThreeLawsCompliant: The Asurans, with respect to the Ancients. Given how the Ancients treated them, them and wanted to wipe out them entirely, they're ''not'' happy that they weren't able to fight back.back at all.
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* ThreeLawsCompliant: The Asurans, with respect to the Ancients. This makes them ANGRY!!!
* ThrownOutTheAirlock: Niam. [[spoiler: He gets better]]
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* ThreeLawsCompliant: The Asurans, with respect to the Ancients. This makes them ANGRY!!!
Given how the Ancients treated them, they're ''not'' happy that they weren't able to fight back.
* ThrownOutTheAirlock: Niam. [[spoiler: He getsbetter]]better in a later episode... for about 6 seconds, when he's hit by an ARG]].
* WellDoneSonGuy: The Asurans to the Ancients.
* ThrownOutTheAirlock: Niam. [[spoiler: He gets
* WellDoneSonGuy: The Asurans to the Ancients.
