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* CanonImmigrant: Ray has no brother in the comics.
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* CanonImmigrant: CanonForeigner: Ray has no brother in the comics.
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* ShoutOut: Ray's [[IAmMrFuturePopCultureReference alias]] is [[Franchise/HannibalLecter Dr. Hannibal Lecter]].
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* ShoutOut: Ray's [[IAmMrFuturePopCultureReference [[ImMrFuturePopCultureReference alias]] is [[Franchise/HannibalLecter Dr. Hannibal Lecter]].
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* ShoutOut: Ray's [[IAmMrFuturePopCultureReference alias]] is [[Franchise/HannibalLecter Dr. Hannibal Lecter]].
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* BrokenAesop: Episode's message about mercy is brought on mostly in the cases of Per Degaton and Mick, but [[WhatMeasureIsAMook killing random Kasnian soldiers is ok]]. Also being merciful towards Per Degaton not only did not prevent him from becoming a villain but made matters ''[[NiceJobBreakingItHero worse]]''.
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Ultimately not killing Per Degaton proves to be more harmful; the Armageddon virus is released and most of the world is wiped out, which could have been avoided had they killed him.
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* CanonImmigrant: Ray has no brother in the comics.
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* HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct: Most of the team is ''deeply'' uncomfortable with killing an innocent child even if he's destined to be a dictator. However the child in question isn't that innocent thanks to Savage's teaching, he's like something out of a Nazi Youth Camp.
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* HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct: Most of the team is ''deeply'' uncomfortable with killing an innocent child even if he's destined to be a dictator. However the child in question However Per Degaton isn't that innocent thanks to Savage's teaching, he's like something out of a Nazi Youth Camp.
* PuppetKing: Per Degaton for Savage. Helped by the fact that the boy's underage so Savage gets to act as his proxy.
* WelcomeBackTraitor: Mick is back on the team by the end.
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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: When it comes down to it, Mick can't bring himself to kill his best friend.
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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: WhatYouAreInTheDark:
** When it comes down to it, Mick can't bring himself to kill his bestfriend.friend.
** Unsurprisingly, Rip can't bring himself to kill Per Degaton.
** When it comes down to it, Mick can't bring himself to kill his best
** Unsurprisingly, Rip can't bring himself to kill Per Degaton.
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* BadassInDistress: Sara was briefly captured by Savage in the climatic battle.
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* BelatedBackstory: We got to see the time during Kendra and Carter's incarnations as Prof. Boardman's parents, many episodes after the latter two's deaths.
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* TheBusCameBack: Carter and Prof. Boardman both return in flashback scenes.
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* DemotedToExtra: In the first two episodes, Creator/FalkHentschel's name was part of the main credits. Here, he's only billed in the guest star lineup, not with the [[AndStarring "Special Guest"]] citation like the guesting former cast members of the other Franchise/{{Arrowverse}} shows. Possibly justified since Carter only appeared in flashbacks.
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* LetsYouAndHimFight: Mick and Snart finally blow off some steam, literally.
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* TerminologyTitle: "Progeny" means a descendant or the descendants of a person, animal, or plant; offspring.
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* TrivialTitle: As written in TerminologyTitle above, the episode title refers to both Rachel Turner (Ray's great-great-great-great- niece) and Aldus Boardman (Kendra and Carter's son in their [[TwentiethCentury 20th Century]] incarnation). However, both are hardly the focus of the episode.
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* WouldHurtAChild: The main conflict of the episode.
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* GoneHorriblyWrong: What happens to Ra
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* GoneHorriblyWrong: What happens to RaRay's ATOM technology -- what was meant to help people is instead perverted to help in authoritarian oppression.
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* GoneHorriblyWrong: What happens to Ra
* ItsAllMyFault: Rip tries to get through to Mick by saying that he's responsible for bringing Mick along, and he shouldn't have any quarrel with Snart. Mick replies that he's just gonna kill both of them anyway.
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* RousseauWasRight: Subverted. One act of mercy isn't enough to counter a lifetime of conditioning.
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* RousseauWasRight: Subverted. One act of mercy isn't enough to counter a lifetime of conditioning.conditioning on Per Degaton.
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* SiblingRivalry: Turns out Ray has an identical twin, and they don't get along.
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* SiblingRivalry: Turns out Ray has an identical twin, twin named Sidney, and they don't get along.along.
--> '''Ray:''' He allowed my tech to be perverted by the defense industry. That is so Sidney.
--> '''Ray:''' He allowed my tech to be perverted by the defense industry. That is so Sidney.
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Thanks to the team's meddling, Savage's rise to power is actually sped up by five years.
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* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Thanks to the team's meddling, Savage's rise to power is actually sped up by five years. The only bright side is that they deprived him of ATOM drones, but he wasn't using those much anyway.
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* BreatherEpisode: In the Franchise/{{Arrowverse}} as a whole, given that it airs the day after one of the most dramatic ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' episodes of all time, "Eleven Fifty-Nine". For that matter, it's this in the context of ''Legends'' as well, coming after a string of far more serious and dramatic episodes.
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* TheDreaded: The Hunters, which the Time Masters will now sent upon the Legends, are so terrifying that the only advice Mick is able to give the team is to ''run''.
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* WellIntentionedExtremist: Tor Degaton, while being the ruler over a police state, still seems to have some standarts and a sense of honour. It's what Vandal and his son see as a weakness.
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* UnreliableNarrator: Rip tells the Team that 2147 was considered the pinnacle of human civilization. Yet later we learn that outside of Kasnia there are huge problems with famine and overpopulation, and that corporations are running most of the planet.
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* CallBack: Per Degaton was first mentioned by Rip in [[Recap/LegendsOfTomorrowS1E1PilotPart1 the first episode]].
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* RousseauWasRight: Subverted. One act of mercy isn't enough to counter a lifetime of conditioning.
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* YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness: According to Rip, after Savage uses Per Degaton to conquer the world, he kills him in order to take the throne for himself.
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* AnalogyBackfire: For Vandal Savage, [[Theatre/OedipusTheKing the legend of Oedipus]] is an inspirational tale about a man who murdered his father to become a great and powerful king. He leaves out the fact that Oedipus killed his father by accident, won the crown of Thebes by defeating the Sphinx and especially that [[SurpriseIncest it didn't end well]] [[EyeScream for him]].
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* TrailersAlwaysSpoil: A few weeks ago, the trailer for the second half of this season showed Per Degaton preparing to kill someone in their sleep (His father). This scene does not happen until the end of the episode, meaning that whilst watching, it was easy to guess [[ShaggyDogStory the result of]] [[NiceJobBreakingItHero the team's attempt to prevent the]] BadFuture.
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* EvilMentor: Savage serves as this to young Pedigaton.
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* EvilMentor: Savage serves as this to young Pedigaton.Per Degaton.
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* SelfMadeOrphan: Young Pedigaton killed his own father under Savage's suggestion.
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* SelfMadeOrphan: Young Pedigaton Per Degaton killed his own father under Savage's suggestion.
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* ShaggyDogStory: The team goes to 2147 to make sure Per Degaton doesn't help Vandal Savage's rise to power... unfortunately all they do is cement it.
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My bad, it was purse, not a briefcase.
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* TooDumbToLive: Genetic tracking and ATOM robots executing a guy who stole someone's briefcase are meant to show how nasty PoliceState Kasnia is, but if Kasnia ''has'' genetic tracking and flying robots that will kill you on the spot if you break the law, how stupid you must be to actually ''try'' to steal someone's briefcase in broad daylight?
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* TooDumbToLive: Genetic tracking and ATOM robots executing a guy who stole someone's briefcase purse are meant to show how nasty PoliceState Kasnia is, but if Kasnia ''has'' genetic tracking and flying robots that will kill you on the spot if you break the law, how stupid you must be to actually ''try'' to steal someone's briefcase purse in broad daylight?
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* BrokenAesop: Episode's message about mercy is brought on mostly in the cases of Per Degaton and Mick, but [[WhatMeasuerIsAMook killing random Kasnian soldiers is ok]]. Also being merciful towards Per Degaton not only did not prevent him from becoming a villain but made matters ''[[NiceJobBreakingItHero worse]]''.
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* BrokenAesop: Episode's message about mercy is brought on mostly in the cases of Per Degaton and Mick, but [[WhatMeasuerIsAMook [[WhatMeasureIsAMook killing random Kasnian soldiers is ok]]. Also being merciful towards Per Degaton not only did not prevent him from becoming a villain but made matters ''[[NiceJobBreakingItHero worse]]''.
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* BilingualBonus: Intentionally or not, Kasnia sounds similar to "kaźnia", old polish word for execution.
* BrokenAesop: Episode's message about mercy is brought on mostly in the cases of Per Degaton and Mick, but [[WhatMeasuerIsAMook killing random Kasnian soldiers is ok]]. Also being merciful towards Per Degaton not only did not prevent him from becoming a villain but made matters ''[[NiceJobBreakingItHero worse]]''.
* BrokenAesop: Episode's message about mercy is brought on mostly in the cases of Per Degaton and Mick, but [[WhatMeasuerIsAMook killing random Kasnian soldiers is ok]]. Also being merciful towards Per Degaton not only did not prevent him from becoming a villain but made matters ''[[NiceJobBreakingItHero worse]]''.
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* TooDumbToLive: Genetic tracking and ATOM robots executing a guy who stole someone's briefcase are meant to show how nasty PoliceState Kasnia is, but if Kasnia ''has'' genetic tracking and flying robots that will kill you on the spot if you break the law, how stupid you must be to actually ''try'' to steal someone's briefcase in broad daylight?
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* WhatMeasureIsAMook: The team has no problem killing Kasnian soldiers.
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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: When it comes down to it, Mick can't bring himself to kill his best friend.
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* WhatYouAreInTheDark: When it comes down to it, Mick can't bring himself to kill his best friend.friend.
* YouWouldntShootMe: Per Degaton tells this to Rip at gun's point because Savage taught him to recognize a killer. He's right and Rip decides to spare him.
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* YouWouldntShootMe: Per Degaton tells this to Rip at gun's point because Savage taught him to recognize a killer. He's right and Rip decides to spare him.
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* EvenEvilHasStandards: Mick commented that there's nothing heroic about killing a child.
* EvilMentor: Savage serves as this to young Pedigaton.
* EvilMentor: Savage serves as this to young Pedigaton.
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* IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim: Stein warned Hunter that killing an innocent child before he becomes a dictator is no better than Vandal Savage's atrocities.
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* SelfMadeOrphan: Young Pedigaton killed his own father under Savage's suggestion.
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* HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct: Most of the team is ''deeply'' uncomfortable with killing an innocent child even if he's destined to be a dictator. However the child in question isn't that innocence innocent thanks to Savage's teaching, he's like something out of a Nazi Youth Camp.
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* BadFuture: For starters, corporations now double as federal governments - ''even'' in Central City.
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* BadFuture: For starters, corporations now double as federal governments - ''even'' in Central City. And outside of Kasnia, the whole world is an overpopulated, poverty ridden mess, with repeated mention of food riots. (And the only reason Kasnia is stable is because it's a PoliceState)
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* RedAndBlackAndEvilAllOver: The uniforms of Kasnia's military.
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* SecretPolice: The automated ATOM suits function as this.
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* HitlersTimeTravellExemptionAct: Most of the team is ''deeply'' uncomfortable with killing an innocent child even if he's destined to be a dictator. However the child in question isn't that innocence thanks to Savage's teaching, he's like something out of a Nazi Youth Camp.
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* HitlersTimeTravellExemptionAct: HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct: Most of the team is ''deeply'' uncomfortable with killing an innocent child even if he's destined to be a dictator. However the child in question isn't that innocence thanks to Savage's teaching, he's like something out of a Nazi Youth Camp.
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* HitlersTimeTravelExperiment: Most of the team is ''deeply'' uncomfortable with killing an innocent child even if he's destined to be a dictator. However the child in question isn't that innocence thanks to Savage's teaching, he's like something out of a Nazi Youth Camp.
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* HitlersTimeTravelExperiment: HitlersTimeTravellExemptionAct: Most of the team is ''deeply'' uncomfortable with killing an innocent child even if he's destined to be a dictator. However the child in question isn't that innocence thanks to Savage's teaching, he's like something out of a Nazi Youth Camp.
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* TheReveal: Mick reveals that since he failed, failed to bring in the team, the Time Masters will have since sent the Hunters - time traveling robots to erase the team from history.
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* BadFuture: For starters, corporations now double as federal governments - ''even'' in Central City.
* HitlersTimeTravelExperiment: Most of the team is ''deeply'' uncomfortable with killing an innocent child even if he's destined to be a dictator. However the child in question isn't that innocence thanks to Savage's teaching, he's like something out of a Nazi Youth Camp.
* HorribleJudgeOfCharacter: What kind of dad has Vandal Savage be a personal tutor for his son!?
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Thanks to the team's meddling, Savage's rise to power is actually sped up by five years.
* SiblingRivalry: Turns out Ray has an identical twin, and they don't get along.
* TheReveal: Mick reveals that since he failed, the Time Masters will have since the Hunters - time traveling robots to erase the team from history.
* RousseauWasRight: Subverted. One act of mercy isn't enough to counter a lifetime of conditioning.
* WhatYouAreInTheDark: When it comes down to it, Mick can't bring himself to kill his best friend.
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* BadFuture: For starters, corporations now double as federal governments - ''even'' in Central City.
* HitlersTimeTravelExperiment: Most of the team is ''deeply'' uncomfortable with killing an innocent child even if he's destined to be a dictator. However the child in question isn't that innocence thanks to Savage's teaching, he's like something out of a Nazi Youth Camp.
* HorribleJudgeOfCharacter: What kind of dad has Vandal Savage be a personal tutor for his son!?
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: Thanks to the team's meddling, Savage's rise to power is actually sped up by five years.
* SiblingRivalry: Turns out Ray has an identical twin, and they don't get along.
* TheReveal: Mick reveals that since he failed, the Time Masters will have since the Hunters - time traveling robots to erase the team from history.
* RousseauWasRight: Subverted. One act of mercy isn't enough to counter a lifetime of conditioning.
* WhatYouAreInTheDark: When it comes down to it, Mick can't bring himself to kill his best friend.
