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* BigShutUp: At the end of the video, the announcer gets so fed up with all of the philosophers' bickering, he bellows "QUIET!" at them.
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* BadassBaritone: Nietzsche has the deepest voice in the entire battle.
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* CoolPeopleRebelAgainstAuthority: Voltaire prides himself on going against the status quo, directly opposing Confucius.
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* DivideAndConquer: Sun Tzu manages to sow disharmony among the Western Philosophers. Unfortunately, hearing Lao Tzu's proverbs causes him to do the same to his own team, the video ending with the teams squabbling amongst themselves.
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* {{Corpsing}}: It's very brief, but you can see Confucius stifle a laugh at the end of his last line.
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* DontThinkFeel: Lao Tzus philosophy encourages going with the flow, but he still tells Sun Tzu to "move, bitch, get out the way!"
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** Nietzsche’s portrayal is inaccurate in that he is equated with his most bombastic proclamations and he describes himself as a "nihilist" which the real Nietzsche did not. Nietzsche argued ''against'' nihilism and he described it in detail but always as something to be overcome.
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** Nietzsche’s portrayal is inaccurate in that he is equated with his most bombastic proclamations and he describes himself as a "nihilist" which the real Nietzsche did not. Nietzsche argued ''against'' nihilism and nihilism, he described it in detail but always as something to be overcome.
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* KnightInSourArmor: Insufferable as he is, Socrates had a major interest in ethics, which is why he puts down Voltaire for being a lottery-rigging frog.
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* {{Ubermensch}}: Nietzsche insists that you call him one, because "he's so driven." This is one rare mistake from the series, the real-life Nietzsche consistently said that he was ''not'' the Übermensch.[[note]]Though he does specifically say "They call me Ubermensch", so ''he'' may not be calling himself an Übermensch[[/note]]Übermensch.[[/note]]
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* BadassBeard:
** The behind the scenes show that they researched Socrates’ beard to make it as accurate as possible. As a result, he looks distinguished as the rapping inventor of philosophy should.
** Confucius has the longest of all facial hair shown in the rap battle. As a result, he looks like the sage he is commonly depicted as.
** Lao Tzu’s beard is not as long as Confucius's, but still respectable in a "wise old sage" manner.
* BadassMustache:
** Nietzsche has a gigantic handlebar mustache. Confucius doesn't think it's all that cool, though: he thinks God might have died of shame after creating it.
** Sun Tzu makes up for the lack of a beard like his compatriots with a nice-looking mustache that makes him look more intimidating.
** The behind the scenes show that they researched Socrates’ beard to make it as accurate as possible. As a result, he looks distinguished as the rapping inventor of philosophy should.
** Confucius has the longest of all facial hair shown in the rap battle. As a result, he looks like the sage he is commonly depicted as.
** Lao Tzu’s beard is not as long as Confucius's, but still respectable in a "wise old sage" manner.
* BadassMustache:
** Nietzsche has a gigantic handlebar mustache. Confucius doesn't think it's all that cool, though: he thinks God might have died of shame after creating it.
** Sun Tzu makes up for the lack of a beard like his compatriots with a nice-looking mustache that makes him look more intimidating.
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A team battle with Western philosophers Creator/{{Socrates}} (played by Lloyd Alhquist), Creator/FriedrichNietzsche (played by Peter Shukoff), and Creator/{{Voltaire}} (played by Music/ZachSherwin) on one side, and Eastern philosophers [[Literature/TheArtOfWarSunTzu Sun Tzu]] (played by Timothy [=DeLaGHETTO=]), [[Creator/{{Laozi}} Lao Tzu]] (played by KRNFX), and Creator/{{Confucius}} (played by MC Jin.)
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* AgentPeacock: Voltaire is more flouncy than his teammates, but no less scathing.
* AttentionWhore: Confucius implies Voltaire supports free speech so he can yap as much as he wants.
* BadassBaritone: Nietzsche has the deepest voice in the entire battle.
* BadassBeard:
** The behind the scenes show that they researched Socrates’ beard to make it as accurate as possible. As a result, he looks distinguished as the rapping inventor of philosophy should.
** Confucius has the longest of all facial hair shown in the rap battle. As a result, he looks like the sage he is commonly depicted as.
** Lao Tzu’s beard is not as long as Confucius's, but still respectable in a "wise old sage" manner.
* BadassMustache:
** Nietzsche has a gigantic handlebar mustache. Confucius doesn't think it's all that cool, though: he thinks God might have died of shame after creating it.
** Sun Tzu makes up for the lack of a beard like his compatriots with a nice-looking mustache that makes him look more intimidating.
* BatmanGambit: Sun Tzu pulls one off and successfully gets the Western philosophers to turn on each other by exploiting their egos.
* BerserkButton:
** Socrates doesn't like being called a plebe.
** Nietzsche's shaking in rage after being insulted by Socrates. Making it worse is that he doesn't believe himself to be Socrates' student.
** Voltaire tries to calm Socrates down, but lost it after Socrates called him a frog[[note]]a common ethnic slur against the French[[/note]]
** Telling Lao Tzu that his philosophy doesn't make sense will enrage him.
** Insulting Confucius’ eyebrows breaks his politeness.
* BigOlEyebrows:
** Sun Tzu has the largest and thickest brows of the three.
** Confucius’ brows are big enough to be mocked by Sun Tzu even though his are bigger.
* TheCasanova: Voltaire gets laid. A LOT. He even points out how the Westerners are better lovers.
* TheComicallySerious: Nietzsche is easily the most intense of the philosophers, which makes it funnier when he threatens to "squeeze out a ''Tao of Pooh'' on Lao Tzu."
* CoolPeopleRebelAgainstAuthority: Voltaire prides himself on going against the status quo, directly opposing Confucius.
* DontThinkFeel: Lao Tzus philosophy encourages going with the flow, but he still tells Sun Tzu to "move, bitch, get out the way!"
* TheFettered: Confucianism is known for its rigid social systems. Confucius makes appeals to tradition, respect, and honor over the course of the battle.
* {{Flanderization}}:
** Nietzsche’s portrayal is inaccurate in that he is equated with his most bombastic proclamations and he describes himself as a "nihilist" which the real Nietzsche did not. Nietzsche argued ''against'' nihilism and he described it in detail but always as something to be overcome.
** Voltaire's mostly a caricature of a foppish French aristocrat with none of his deeper ideas or defects (his raging anti-Semitism for instance) addressed.
* FlawExploitation: Sun Tzu turns his opponents against each other by taking advantage of Nietzsche's dislike of Socrates.
* TheGadfly:
** Socrates proudly proclaims himself to be one as "the mad gadfly".
** Despite Socrates calling himself this as his title, Sun Tzu is sneaking around and making fun of the philosophers after he turns them against each other. He takes a picture of the three squabbling once Voltaire joins in, and laughs at Nietzsche as he fumes in rage.
* GagNose: Socrates makes a joke about Voltaire’s nose falling into his coffee.
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: Though Sun Tzu’s plan to turn the Westerners against each other succeeded, the Easterners also fall victim to infighting when he gets frustrated with Lao Tzu and tells him to "fill his bowl with some shit that makes some sense".
* HotBlooded: Sun Tzu is easily the most riled up of the Eastern Philosophers.
* HypocriticalHumor: Sun Tzu insults Confucius' BigOlEyebrows even though his own are the biggest.
* IceCreamKoan: Sun Tzu points out how Lao Tzu’s philosophy at times just doesn't make any sense.
---> ''A bowl is best used when it is empty...''
* ItsAllAboutMe: Confucius tells Voltaire free speech is no excuse to babble about himself.
* JapaneseRanguage: As a pun against Nietzsche, Confucius doesn't approve of his philosophies by saying "Me no [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Third Reichy]]."
* KnightInSourArmor: Insufferable as he is, Socrates had a major interest in ethics, which is why he puts down Voltaire for being a lottery-rigging frog.
* LargeHam: Nietzsche shouts half of his lines with intense expressions and actions.
* LetsYouAndHimFight: Sun Tzu's master plan is to trick the Western philosophers into fighting each other instead of their opponents. This works... until the Eastern philosophers fall into the same trap. By the end, both teams have dissolved into six bickering individuals.
* LongHairedPrettyBoy: Voltaire has famously long hair, though Confucius thinks his 'do looks like egg noodles.
* TheLeader:
** Socrates claims himself the inventor of philosophy, and Sun Tzu claims that Nietzsche and Voltaire are his followers.
** Sun Tzu easily takes control of his side's verses, commanding Lao Tzu and Confucius to give it their all.
* ManipulativeBastard: Sun Tzu exploits [[TruthInTelevision Nietzsche's contempt for Socrates]] in order to ruin the cooperation of Team West.
* MellowFellow: Lao Tzu is very relaxed and tranquil, up until Sun Tzu says his ideas make no sense.
* MotorMouth: Confucius gives Shakespeare a run for his money with how fast he executes Sun Tzu's BatmanGambit.
* MustHaveCaffeine: Voltaire’s love of coffee is mocked by Confucius and Socrates.
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: According to Confucius, Nietzsche’s ideas are partly responsible for UsefulNotes/NaziGermany.
* NotSoAboveItAll: Confucius attempts to stop his partners' squabble but then joins in.
* NotSoStoic: Lao Tzu succumbed to arguing with Sun Tzu.
* NWordPrivileges: Confucius makes cracks about AsianSpeekeeEngrish, Chinese takeout and fortune cookies.
* OldMaster:
** Socrates is obviously quite old, which means he has been practicing his Socratic method (and in this case, rapping skills) for a long time
** Confucius delivers a scathing broadside to Voltaire and Nietzsche by leveraging a lifetime of wisdom and being oldest here.
** Lao Tzu’s age reflects in his wisdom (even if it doesn't make sense at first thought) and he can still get physical.
* PerpetualFrowner: Nietzsche spends the entire battle with a scowl on his face.
* TheQuietOne: Lao Tzu peaks very calmly and politely.
* RedBaron:
** Socrates refers to himself as the "Mad Gadfly."
** Nietzsche dubs himself the "Fliest Nihilist."
* RhymingWithItself: Voltaire rhymes "frank" with itself ''four times'', and for bonus points, rhymes the preceding word every time as well, three of those four times rhyming "be" with itself. At least he uses different meanings of "frank" each time...
--> Let me ''be frank:''\\
Don't start beef with ''the Frank''\\
Who hangs with ''[[Creator/BenjaminFranklin B. Franks]]''\\
Giving ladies ''beef franks!''
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: Nietzsche becomes annoyed by his allies arguing and leaves after the battle.
* ShownTheirWork: They got Nietzsche's real-life dislike for Socrates and Voltaire right.
* SmallNameBigEgo: Confucius accuses Voltaire of this after he boasts about his wit.
* SpecialGuest: Zach Sherwin as Voltaire, Timothy [=DeLaGhetto=] as Sun Tzu, KRNFX as Lao Tzu, and MC Jin as Confucius.
* SpellMyNameWithAnS: "'Cause I'm N-I-E-T Z-S-C-H-E, and I'll end any motherfucker like my name in a spelling bee!"
* StrawNihilist: Nietzsche reassures himself as the TropeCodifier during his introduction. "The Fliest Nihilist."
* TheStoic: Lao Tzu's noticeably the calmest of his group.
* TechnicalPacifist: Lao Tzu threatens to force his opposition out of the way if they don't move for him.
* TeethClenchedTeamwork: Despite the cohesion in early verses, it soon becomes clear that the two teams are deeply divided, to the point where it takes no time at all for each team to descend into infighting.
* {{Troll}}: Socrates is infamous for being one. He proudly calls himself the Mad Gadfly and claims his team's got wisdom and wit even he couldn't question.
* {{Ubermensch}}: Nietzsche insists that you call him one, because "he's so driven." This is one rare mistake from the series, the real-life Nietzsche consistently said that he was ''not'' the Übermensch.[[note]]Though he does specifically say "They call me Ubermensch", so ''he'' may not be calling himself an Übermensch[[/note]]
* UnusualEyebrows: Sun Tzu thinks Confucius’ eyebrows need to fit better on his face.
* VocalDissonance: Confucius looks like a wise old sage, which makes his energetic, fast-talking style kind of jarring.
* WaxingLyrical: Lao Tzu briefly quotes "Move, Bitch" by Music/{{Ludacris}}.
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* AgentPeacock: Voltaire is more flouncy than his teammates, but no less scathing.
* AttentionWhore: Confucius implies Voltaire supports free speech so he can yap as much as he wants.
* BadassBaritone: Nietzsche has the deepest voice in the entire battle.
* BadassBeard:
** The behind the scenes show that they researched Socrates’ beard to make it as accurate as possible. As a result, he looks distinguished as the rapping inventor of philosophy should.
** Confucius has the longest of all facial hair shown in the rap battle. As a result, he looks like the sage he is commonly depicted as.
** Lao Tzu’s beard is not as long as Confucius's, but still respectable in a "wise old sage" manner.
* BadassMustache:
** Nietzsche has a gigantic handlebar mustache. Confucius doesn't think it's all that cool, though: he thinks God might have died of shame after creating it.
** Sun Tzu makes up for the lack of a beard like his compatriots with a nice-looking mustache that makes him look more intimidating.
* BatmanGambit: Sun Tzu pulls one off and successfully gets the Western philosophers to turn on each other by exploiting their egos.
* BerserkButton:
** Socrates doesn't like being called a plebe.
** Nietzsche's shaking in rage after being insulted by Socrates. Making it worse is that he doesn't believe himself to be Socrates' student.
** Voltaire tries to calm Socrates down, but lost it after Socrates called him a frog[[note]]a common ethnic slur against the French[[/note]]
** Telling Lao Tzu that his philosophy doesn't make sense will enrage him.
** Insulting Confucius’ eyebrows breaks his politeness.
* BigOlEyebrows:
** Sun Tzu has the largest and thickest brows of the three.
** Confucius’ brows are big enough to be mocked by Sun Tzu even though his are bigger.
* TheCasanova: Voltaire gets laid. A LOT. He even points out how the Westerners are better lovers.
* TheComicallySerious: Nietzsche is easily the most intense of the philosophers, which makes it funnier when he threatens to "squeeze out a ''Tao of Pooh'' on Lao Tzu."
* CoolPeopleRebelAgainstAuthority: Voltaire prides himself on going against the status quo, directly opposing Confucius.
* DontThinkFeel: Lao Tzus philosophy encourages going with the flow, but he still tells Sun Tzu to "move, bitch, get out the way!"
* TheFettered: Confucianism is known for its rigid social systems. Confucius makes appeals to tradition, respect, and honor over the course of the battle.
* {{Flanderization}}:
** Nietzsche’s portrayal is inaccurate in that he is equated with his most bombastic proclamations and he describes himself as a "nihilist" which the real Nietzsche did not. Nietzsche argued ''against'' nihilism and he described it in detail but always as something to be overcome.
** Voltaire's mostly a caricature of a foppish French aristocrat with none of his deeper ideas or defects (his raging anti-Semitism for instance) addressed.
* FlawExploitation: Sun Tzu turns his opponents against each other by taking advantage of Nietzsche's dislike of Socrates.
* TheGadfly:
** Socrates proudly proclaims himself to be one as "the mad gadfly".
** Despite Socrates calling himself this as his title, Sun Tzu is sneaking around and making fun of the philosophers after he turns them against each other. He takes a picture of the three squabbling once Voltaire joins in, and laughs at Nietzsche as he fumes in rage.
* GagNose: Socrates makes a joke about Voltaire’s nose falling into his coffee.
* HoistByHisOwnPetard: Though Sun Tzu’s plan to turn the Westerners against each other succeeded, the Easterners also fall victim to infighting when he gets frustrated with Lao Tzu and tells him to "fill his bowl with some shit that makes some sense".
* HotBlooded: Sun Tzu is easily the most riled up of the Eastern Philosophers.
* HypocriticalHumor: Sun Tzu insults Confucius' BigOlEyebrows even though his own are the biggest.
* IceCreamKoan: Sun Tzu points out how Lao Tzu’s philosophy at times just doesn't make any sense.
---> ''A bowl is best used when it is empty...''
* ItsAllAboutMe: Confucius tells Voltaire free speech is no excuse to babble about himself.
* JapaneseRanguage: As a pun against Nietzsche, Confucius doesn't approve of his philosophies by saying "Me no [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Third Reichy]]."
* KnightInSourArmor: Insufferable as he is, Socrates had a major interest in ethics, which is why he puts down Voltaire for being a lottery-rigging frog.
* LargeHam: Nietzsche shouts half of his lines with intense expressions and actions.
* LetsYouAndHimFight: Sun Tzu's master plan is to trick the Western philosophers into fighting each other instead of their opponents. This works... until the Eastern philosophers fall into the same trap. By the end, both teams have dissolved into six bickering individuals.
* LongHairedPrettyBoy: Voltaire has famously long hair, though Confucius thinks his 'do looks like egg noodles.
* TheLeader:
** Socrates claims himself the inventor of philosophy, and Sun Tzu claims that Nietzsche and Voltaire are his followers.
** Sun Tzu easily takes control of his side's verses, commanding Lao Tzu and Confucius to give it their all.
* ManipulativeBastard: Sun Tzu exploits [[TruthInTelevision Nietzsche's contempt for Socrates]] in order to ruin the cooperation of Team West.
* MellowFellow: Lao Tzu is very relaxed and tranquil, up until Sun Tzu says his ideas make no sense.
* MotorMouth: Confucius gives Shakespeare a run for his money with how fast he executes Sun Tzu's BatmanGambit.
* MustHaveCaffeine: Voltaire’s love of coffee is mocked by Confucius and Socrates.
* NiceJobBreakingItHero: According to Confucius, Nietzsche’s ideas are partly responsible for UsefulNotes/NaziGermany.
* NotSoAboveItAll: Confucius attempts to stop his partners' squabble but then joins in.
* NotSoStoic: Lao Tzu succumbed to arguing with Sun Tzu.
* NWordPrivileges: Confucius makes cracks about AsianSpeekeeEngrish, Chinese takeout and fortune cookies.
* OldMaster:
** Socrates is obviously quite old, which means he has been practicing his Socratic method (and in this case, rapping skills) for a long time
** Confucius delivers a scathing broadside to Voltaire and Nietzsche by leveraging a lifetime of wisdom and being oldest here.
** Lao Tzu’s age reflects in his wisdom (even if it doesn't make sense at first thought) and he can still get physical.
* PerpetualFrowner: Nietzsche spends the entire battle with a scowl on his face.
* TheQuietOne: Lao Tzu peaks very calmly and politely.
* RedBaron:
** Socrates refers to himself as the "Mad Gadfly."
** Nietzsche dubs himself the "Fliest Nihilist."
* RhymingWithItself: Voltaire rhymes "frank" with itself ''four times'', and for bonus points, rhymes the preceding word every time as well, three of those four times rhyming "be" with itself. At least he uses different meanings of "frank" each time...
--> Let me ''be frank:''\\
Don't start beef with ''the Frank''\\
Who hangs with ''[[Creator/BenjaminFranklin B. Franks]]''\\
Giving ladies ''beef franks!''
* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: Nietzsche becomes annoyed by his allies arguing and leaves after the battle.
* ShownTheirWork: They got Nietzsche's real-life dislike for Socrates and Voltaire right.
* SmallNameBigEgo: Confucius accuses Voltaire of this after he boasts about his wit.
* SpecialGuest: Zach Sherwin as Voltaire, Timothy [=DeLaGhetto=] as Sun Tzu, KRNFX as Lao Tzu, and MC Jin as Confucius.
* SpellMyNameWithAnS: "'Cause I'm N-I-E-T Z-S-C-H-E, and I'll end any motherfucker like my name in a spelling bee!"
* StrawNihilist: Nietzsche reassures himself as the TropeCodifier during his introduction. "The Fliest Nihilist."
* TheStoic: Lao Tzu's noticeably the calmest of his group.
* TechnicalPacifist: Lao Tzu threatens to force his opposition out of the way if they don't move for him.
* TeethClenchedTeamwork: Despite the cohesion in early verses, it soon becomes clear that the two teams are deeply divided, to the point where it takes no time at all for each team to descend into infighting.
* {{Troll}}: Socrates is infamous for being one. He proudly calls himself the Mad Gadfly and claims his team's got wisdom and wit even he couldn't question.
* {{Ubermensch}}: Nietzsche insists that you call him one, because "he's so driven." This is one rare mistake from the series, the real-life Nietzsche consistently said that he was ''not'' the Übermensch.[[note]]Though he does specifically say "They call me Ubermensch", so ''he'' may not be calling himself an Übermensch[[/note]]
* UnusualEyebrows: Sun Tzu thinks Confucius’ eyebrows need to fit better on his face.
* VocalDissonance: Confucius looks like a wise old sage, which makes his energetic, fast-talking style kind of jarring.
* WaxingLyrical: Lao Tzu briefly quotes "Move, Bitch" by Music/{{Ludacris}}.
