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* AnAesop:
** Reawakening old trauma to share with the world doesn't bring closure or meaning. It just digs up old trauma.
** Meaningful art doesn't necessarily come from trauma or suffering itself, but from the artist's own talent and enjoyment.
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* StressVomit: Diane, after trying to write without the help of her antidepressants, spends a whole day frozen over her laptop in bed. When Guy points this out, she has a panic attack (possibly also suffering from withdrawal) and runs to the toilet to vomit...into the [[{{Bathos}} plant next to the toilet]].

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* StressVomit: Diane, after trying to write without the help of her antidepressants, spends a whole day frozen over her laptop in bed. When Guy points this out, she has a panic attack breaks down crying (possibly also suffering from withdrawal) and runs to the toilet to vomit...into the [[{{Bathos}} plant next to the toilet]].
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* CozyMystery: ''Ivy Tran, Food Court Detective'' gives off the vibes for this kind of series, with a female protagonist, and lighthearted mysteries that don't dwell into the darker aspects of mystery stories.
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* AdaptationalNiceGuy: InUniverse: The store clerk that inspires Ivy Tran is a rude, unhelpful Jerkass who cares more about talking to her friend than helping customers, Diane's interpretation is kind, bubbly and comforts Diane's avatar at the end of the episode.

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* AdaptationalNiceGuy: InUniverse: The store clerk that inspires Ivy Tran is a rude, unhelpful Jerkass {{Jerkass}} who cares more about talking to her friend than helping customers, Diane's interpretation is kind, bubbly and comforts Diane's avatar at the end of the episode.

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* AnAesop: Reawakening old trauma to share with the world doesn't bring closure or meaning. It just digs up old trauma.

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* AnAesop: AnAesop:
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Reawakening old trauma to share with the world doesn't bring closure or meaning. It just digs up old trauma.
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* ArtShift: Diane's inner monologue is illustrated in a sketch-y style with captions styled like a type writer.

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* ArtShift: Diane's inner monologue is illustrated in a sketch-y style with captions styled like a type writer.typewriter.



* TheBusCameBack: Penny returns since Season 3, still remembering Bojack showing up at her college.

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* TheBusCameBack: Penny returns since Season 3, still remembering Bojack [=BoJack=] showing up at her college.



** Penny ends up telling Paige and Max about Bojack getting Maddy alcohol poisoning, and she also seriously considers telling them what nearly happened between her and Bojack (though the audience never finds out if she did). She ''does'' mention she saw both Bojack and Sarah Lynn the same night the latter died, much to her mom's shock, before telling the former to leave.

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** Penny ends up telling Paige and Max about Bojack [=BoJack=] getting Maddy alcohol poisoning, and she also seriously considers telling them what nearly happened between her and Bojack [=BoJack=] (though the audience never finds out if she did). She ''does'' mention she saw both Bojack [=BoJack=] and Sarah Lynn the same night the latter died, much to her mom's shock, before telling the former to leave.



* CentralTheme: Trying to spin one's damage into something "good". Diane struggles to write her memoirs so she can prove that something worthwhile has come out of her trauma, while Penny considers telling the reporters about her experiences with Bojack since it could help other people who have gone through similar experiences and/or warn people about trusting people like Bojack. Charlotte warns Penny that it can cause as much harm to her as it does good, but respects her decision to go through with it if she ever does.
* DramaticIrony: Penny asks the journalists if Bojack got Sarah Lynn drunk, just like he did to Maddy. Considering how Sarah Lynn was ''more'' than drunk, the question seems very naive.

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* CentralTheme: Trying to spin one's damage into something "good". Diane struggles to write her memoirs so she can prove that something worthwhile has come out of her trauma, while Penny considers telling the reporters about her experiences with Bojack [=BoJack=] since it could help other people who have gone through similar experiences and/or warn people about trusting people like Bojack.[=BoJack=]. Charlotte warns Penny that it can cause as much harm to her as it does good, but respects her decision to go through with it if she ever does.
* DramaticIrony: Penny asks the journalists if Bojack [=BoJack=] got Sarah Lynn drunk, just like he did to Maddy. Considering how Sarah Lynn was ''more'' than drunk, the question seems very naive.



** Paige and Max had no trouble following Penny to get information about Bojack, but once Charlotte gives them the hint to leave, they do so and leave Penny with their card in case Penny does want to talk about it.
** Paige is also clearly shocked when Penny tells her that Bojack was living with her in her house for two months.

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** Paige and Max had no trouble following Penny to get information about Bojack, [=BoJack=], but once Charlotte gives them the hint to leave, they do so and leave Penny with their card in case Penny does want to talk about it.
** Paige is also clearly shocked when Penny tells her that Bojack [=BoJack=] was living with her in her house for two months.



* FaintInShock: Bojack faints at the end of the episode after Charlotte's phone call out of shock because he thinks some reporters found out what he nearly did to Penny.

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* FaintInShock: Bojack [=BoJack=] faints at the end of the episode after Charlotte's phone call out of shock because he thinks some reporters found out what he nearly did to Penny.



* MyGreatestFailure: Charlotte trusting Bojack and letting him live in her house for two months is this, because if she didn't do those two things he most likely would never have gotten close enough to her daughter enough to nearly have sex with her.

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* MyGreatestFailure: Charlotte trusting Bojack [=BoJack=] and letting him live in her house for two months is this, because if she didn't do those two things he most likely would never have gotten close enough to her daughter enough to nearly have sex with her.



** Charlotte proves to be this. She shoos the journalists out of her house and talks seriously with Penny about what Bojack did. Penny does want to go forward with what happened, but Charlotte suggests that she wait a few days and seriously consider all the consequences about doing so because Charlotte doesn't want Penny's trauma to reawaken as a result of the story becoming public. Her concern is for Penny's wellbeing, but she knows her daughter is an adult and free to make her own choices so she doesn't outright ban her from talking to the reporters if she chooses to do so.

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** Charlotte proves to be this. She shoos the journalists out of her house and talks seriously with Penny about what Bojack [=BoJack=] did. Penny does want to go forward with what happened, but Charlotte suggests that she wait a few days and seriously consider all the consequences about doing so because Charlotte doesn't want Penny's trauma to reawaken as a result of the story becoming public. Her concern is for Penny's wellbeing, but she knows her daughter is an adult and free to make her own choices so she doesn't outright ban her from talking to the reporters if she chooses to do so.



* StressVomit: Diane, after trying to write without the help of her anti-depressants, spends a whole day frozen over her laptop in bed. When Guy points this out, she has a panic attack (possibly also suffering from withdrawal) and runs to the toilet to vomit...into the [[{{Bathos}} plant next to the toilet]].

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* StressVomit: Diane, after trying to write without the help of her anti-depressants, antidepressants, spends a whole day frozen over her laptop in bed. When Guy points this out, she has a panic attack (possibly also suffering from withdrawal) and runs to the toilet to vomit...into the [[{{Bathos}} plant next to the toilet]].



* TheReveal: Penny's story in the episode reveals why Charlotte called Bojack at the end of last episode and his reaction when she hangs up at the end of this one.
* ThisIsReality: Charlotte tells this to Penny. The story could very well do good by revealing what Bojack and Penny nearly did, but it could easily go the other way since Penny may not be painted in a good light and reawaken her trauma.

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* TheReveal: Penny's story in the episode reveals why Charlotte called Bojack [=BoJack=] at the end of last episode and his reaction when she hangs up at the end of this one.
* ThisIsReality: Charlotte tells this to Penny. The story could very well do good by revealing what Bojack [=BoJack=] and Penny nearly did, but it could easily go the other way since Penny may not be painted in a good light and reawaken her trauma.



* VomitDiscretionShot: When Diane realizes she's wasted a whole day without writing anything, she goes to vomit offscreen from [[StressVomit stress]] and anti-depressant withdrawal.

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* VomitDiscretionShot: When Diane realizes she's wasted a whole day without writing anything, she goes to vomit offscreen from [[StressVomit stress]] and anti-depressant antidepressant withdrawal.
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* AdultFear:
** Charlotte previously warned Bojack never to contact her or her family at the end of "Escape From L.A.". Here, she learns that Bojack went to Oberlin to see Penny right before Sarah Lynn died; she freaks out because she had no idea that this happened until now, and Penny has to quickly reassure her that nothing bad happened and she immediately told him to leave.
** While she decides to ultimately respect whatever choice Penny makes, Charlotte also expresses concern over her daughter wanting to tell the reporters about she and Bojack almost engaging in barely-legal sex due to how traumatizing the experience ultimately was for Penny and concern that if the story becomes public it will reawaken that trauma.
---> '''Penny:''' Stuff happened to us, okay? And he's still out there. If we can get the word out, if-if people knew--\\
'''Charlotte:''' It won't be just him in the story. It'll be you, and me. The mistakes we made. Mistakes ''I'' made, [[MyGreatestFailure that I will never forgive myself for]].\\
'''Penny:''' But if we can help other people, then it will have been ''for'' something, you know? It won't just be this thing to feel bad about forever.\\
'''Charlotte:''' [[ThisIsReality You don't know what's gonna happen with the story once it's out there]]. You have no power over it, and you just got your panic attacks under control. I love that you want to do what's right, but ''please'' just think about it, okay? Just give it a couple days, and then if you still want to talk to them, you can call them.
*** All this explains why Charlotte called Bojack, demanding he'd deal with the reporters so her family, especially her daughter, wouldn't be involved in his mess.
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* {{Fainting}}: Bojack faints at the end of the episode after Charlotte's phone call out of shock because he thinks some reporters found out what he nearly did to Penny.

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* {{Fainting}}: FaintInShock: Bojack faints at the end of the episode after Charlotte's phone call out of shock because he thinks some reporters found out what he nearly did to Penny.
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**Meaningful art doesn't necessarily come from trauma or suffering itself, but from the artist's own talent and enjoyment.
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** While she decides to ultimately respect whatever choice Penny makes, Charlotte also expresses concern over her daughter wanting to tell the reporters about she and Bojack almost engaging in barely-legal sex due to how traumatizing the experience ultimately was for Penny & concern that if the story becomes public it will reawaken that trauma.

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** While she decides to ultimately respect whatever choice Penny makes, Charlotte also expresses concern over her daughter wanting to tell the reporters about she and Bojack almost engaging in barely-legal sex due to how traumatizing the experience ultimately was for Penny & and concern that if the story becomes public it will reawaken that trauma.



*** All this explains why Charlotte called Bojack, demanding he'd deal with the reporters so her family,(especially her daughter) wouldn't be involved in his mess.

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*** All this explains why Charlotte called Bojack, demanding he'd deal with the reporters so her family,(especially family, especially her daughter) daughter, wouldn't be involved in his mess.
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* ArtShift: Diane's inner monologue is illustrated in a sketch-y style with captions styled like a type writer.
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* MiseryBuildsCharacter: Deconstructed. Diane thought that her past trauma could make her a better person, but trying to relive this trauma doesn't help her emotionally nor in her writing career. Embracing the thing that makes her happy, the ''Ivy Tran'' book, is what helps her soul.
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** While she decides to ultimately respect whatever choice Penny makes, Charlotte also expresses concern over her daughter wanting to tell the reporters about Bojack and her nearly having barely-legal sex because of how traumatizing the experience ultimately was for Penny and concern that if the story becomes public it will reawaken that trauma.

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** While she decides to ultimately respect whatever choice Penny makes, Charlotte also expresses concern over her daughter wanting to tell the reporters about she and Bojack and her nearly having almost engaging in barely-legal sex because of due to how traumatizing the experience ultimately was for Penny and & concern that if the story becomes public it will reawaken that trauma.



*** All this explains why Charlotte called Bojack and demanded he'd deal with the reporters so her family, and especially her daughter, doesn't have to be involved with his mess.

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*** All this explains why Charlotte called Bojack and demanded Bojack, demanding he'd deal with the reporters so her family, and especially family,(especially her daughter, doesn't have to daughter) wouldn't be involved with in his mess.

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* RealityEnsues: Diane tries to go off her meds to write her book. Guy identifies her as going through withdrawal as she has a breakdown since she talks about hating herself, loses track of time while trying to write, and throws up.


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* SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome: Diane tries to go off her meds to write her book. Guy identifies her as going through withdrawal as she has a breakdown since she talks about hating herself, loses track of time while trying to write, and throws up.
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*** All this explains why Charlotte called Bojack and demanded he'd deal with the reporters so her family, and her daughter, doesn't have to be involved with his mess.

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*** All this explains why Charlotte called Bojack and demanded he'd deal with the reporters so her family, and especially her daughter, doesn't have to be involved with his mess.



** Penny ends up telling Paige and Max about Bojack getting Maddy alcohol poisoning, and she also seriously considers telling them what nearly happened between her and Bojack (though the audience never finds out if she did). She ''does'' mention she saw both Bojack and Sarah Lynn the same night the latter died later, much to her mom's shock, before telling the former to leave.

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** Penny ends up telling Paige and Max about Bojack getting Maddy alcohol poisoning, and she also seriously considers telling them what nearly happened between her and Bojack (though the audience never finds out if she did). She ''does'' mention she saw both Bojack and Sarah Lynn the same night the latter died later, died, much to her mom's shock, before telling the former to leave.



* CentralTheme: Trying to spin one's damage into something "good". Diane struggles to write her memoirs so she can prove that something worthwhile has come out of her trauma, while Penny considers telling the reporters about her experiences with Bojack since it could help other people who have gone through similar experiences and/or warn people about trusting people like Bojack. Charlotte warns her that it can cause as much harm as it does good, but respects her decision to go through with it if that ever happens.

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* CentralTheme: Trying to spin one's damage into something "good". Diane struggles to write her memoirs so she can prove that something worthwhile has come out of her trauma, while Penny considers telling the reporters about her experiences with Bojack since it could help other people who have gone through similar experiences and/or warn people about trusting people like Bojack. Charlotte warns her Penny that it can cause as much harm to her as it does good, but respects her decision to go through with it if that she ever happens.does.
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** Penny ends up telling Paige and Max about Bojack getting Maddy alcohol poisoning, and she also seriously considers telling them what nearly happened between her and Bojack (though the audience never finds out if she did).

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** Penny ends up telling Paige and Max about Bojack getting Maddy alcohol poisoning, and she also seriously considers telling them what nearly happened between her and Bojack (though the audience never finds out if she did). She ''does'' mention she saw both Bojack and Sarah Lynn the same night the latter died later, much to her mom's shock, before telling the former to leave.



* CentralTheme: Trying to spin one's damage into something "good". Diane struggles to write her memoirs so she can prove that something worthwhile has come out of her trauma, while Penny considers telling the reporters about her experiences with Bojack since it could help other people who have gone through similar experiences and/or warn people about trusting people like Bojack.

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* CentralTheme: Trying to spin one's damage into something "good". Diane struggles to write her memoirs so she can prove that something worthwhile has come out of her trauma, while Penny considers telling the reporters about her experiences with Bojack since it could help other people who have gone through similar experiences and/or warn people about trusting people like Bojack. Charlotte warns her that it can cause as much harm as it does good, but respects her decision to go through with it if that ever happens.

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** Charlotte learns that Bojack went to Oberlin to see Penny right before Sarah Lynn died; she freaks out because she had no idea that this happened until now, and Penny has to quickly reassure her that nothing bad happened and she immediately told him to leave.

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** Charlotte previously warned Bojack never to contact her or her family at the end of "Escape From L.A.". Here, she learns that Bojack went to Oberlin to see Penny right before Sarah Lynn died; she freaks out because she had no idea that this happened until now, and Penny has to quickly reassure her that nothing bad happened and she immediately told him to leave.


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*** All this explains why Charlotte called Bojack and demanded he'd deal with the reporters so her family, and her daughter, doesn't have to be involved with his mess.


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* TheReveal: Penny's story in the episode reveals why Charlotte called Bojack at the end of last episode and his reaction when she hangs up at the end of this one.
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* TheBusCameBack: Penny returns since Season 3, still remembering Bojack showing up at her college.
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* HardTruthAesop: Your mental health struggles and past trauma do not make you special or any deeper than anyone else around you. Sometimes suffering has no meaning or value; it doesn’t teach lessons or build character, and it can’t be redeemed through art. And needing your suffering to mean something might be what's stopping you from moving on.
--> '''Diane''': That means that all the damage I got isn't "good damage". It's just damage. I have gotten nothing out of it and all those years I was miserable was for nothing. I could have been happy this whole time and written books about girl detectives and been cheerful and popular and had good parents, is that what you're saying? What was it all for?!

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* InUniverseCatharsis: Defied. Diane tries very hard to show that her family was abusive, painting her father and bullies in a bad light. It doesn't make her feel better; what does is Ivy Tran solving mysteries.



* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Charlotte proves to be this. She shoos the journalists out of her house and talks seriously with Penny about what Bojack did. Penny does want to go forward with what happened, but Charlotte suggests that she wait a few days and seriously consider all the consequences about doing so because Charlotte doesn't want Penny's trauma to reawaken as a result of the story becoming public. Her concern is for Penny's wellbeing, but she knows her daughter is an adult and free to make her own choices so she doesn't outright ban her from talking to the reporters if she chooses to do so.

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* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: ReasonableAuthorityFigure:
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Charlotte proves to be this. She shoos the journalists out of her house and talks seriously with Penny about what Bojack did. Penny does want to go forward with what happened, but Charlotte suggests that she wait a few days and seriously consider all the consequences about doing so because Charlotte doesn't want Penny's trauma to reawaken as a result of the story becoming public. Her concern is for Penny's wellbeing, but she knows her daughter is an adult and free to make her own choices so she doesn't outright ban her from talking to the reporters if she chooses to do so.so.
** Princess Carolyn is also this about Diane's book. She is quite right to tell Diane to not miss her deadline and submit the book ASAP after six months; after all, Diane isn't George R.R. Martin. When Guy sends an email with an explanation that Diane is ill as well as the Ivy Tran manuscript, Princess Carolyn switches gears and praises Diane's new book, because she sees it is financially lucrative ''and'' well-written. She comforts Diane when the latter realizes that she can't write her memoirs, telling her Ivy Tran will make little girls like them feel less alone and Diane doesn't have to make herself suffer.


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* YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre: Comes from Princess Carolyn of all people. When Diane feels like a failure that she can't write her book of essays and thus she worries she can't help others with their trauma, Princess Carolyn tells her that Ivy Tran can do just that by being fun.
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* TakeThat: The episode takes a jab at people with the Kintsugi mentality, people who believe suffering makes you stronger or makes you unique. Life doesn't work like that; trauma is just trauma and you'll drive yourself crazy in trying to find meaning in your own suffering, or you'll drive yourself crazy by trying to make your suffering mean something.
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->''"Because if I don't, that means all the damage I got isn't good damage, it's just damage."''

Diane's mental state improves, but she struggles to write her book of essays even as it becomes obvious that she enjoys writing a middle-grade series, ''Ivy Tran, Food Court Detective''.

Meanwhile, Paige and Maximillian have tracked down Penny.



* AdaptationalNiceGuy: InUniverse: The store clerk that inspires Ivy Tran is a rude, unhelpful Jerkass who cares more about talking to her friend than helping customers, Diane's interpretation is kind, bubbly and comforts Dianes avatar at the end of the episode.

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* AdaptationalNiceGuy: InUniverse: The store clerk that inspires Ivy Tran is a rude, unhelpful Jerkass who cares more about talking to her friend than helping customers, Diane's interpretation is kind, bubbly and comforts Dianes Diane's avatar at the end of the episode.


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* RuleOfSymbolism: InUniverse, Diane latches on to ''kintsugi'' (a Japanese art of repairing broken pottery with shiny metal lacquer so the cracks are visible) as a metaphor for her struggles and damage.
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* AdaptationalNiceGuy: InUniverse: The store clerk that inspires Ivy Tran is a rude, unhelpful Jerkass who cares more about talking to her friend than helping customers, Diane's interpretation is kind, bubbly and comforts Dianes avatar at the end of the episode.
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* MyGreatestFailure: Charlotte trusting Bojack is this for her, since if he didn't live in her house for two months he most likely would never have gotten close enough to her daughter enough to nearly have sex with her.

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* MyGreatestFailure: Charlotte trusting Bojack is this for her, since if he didn't and letting him live in her house for two months is this, because if she didn't do those two things he most likely would never have gotten close enough to her daughter enough to nearly have sex with her.

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* BaitAndSwitch: When Penny visits her parent's house the second time, she tells Charlotte that she didn't feel comfortable with what happened with the reporters. Not because their questioning dredged up some bad memories but because Penny didn't get to tell the reporters everything that happened [[Recap/BojackHorsemanS2E11EscapeFromLA that night]] before Charlotte got them to leave.

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* BaitAndSwitch: When Penny visits her parent's house the second time, she tells Charlotte that she didn't feel comfortable with what happened with the reporters. Not because their questioning dredged up some bad memories but because Penny didn't get wasn't able to tell the reporters everything that happened [[Recap/BojackHorsemanS2E11EscapeFromLA that night]] before Charlotte got them to leave.



** Paige is also clearly shocked when Penny tells her that Bojack was living with her for two months.

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** Paige is also clearly shocked when Penny tells her that Bojack was living with her in her house for two months.


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* MyGreatestFailure: Charlotte trusting Bojack is this for her, since if he didn't live in her house for two months he most likely would never have gotten close enough to her daughter enough to nearly have sex with her.
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* BaitAndSwitch: When Penny visits her parent's house the second time, she tells Charlotte that she didn't feel comfortable with what happened with the reporters. Not because their questioning dredged up some bad memories but because Penny didn't get to tell the reporters everything that happened [[Recap/BojackHorsemanS2E11EscapeFromLA that night] before Charlotte got them to leave.

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* BaitAndSwitch: When Penny visits her parent's house the second time, she tells Charlotte that she didn't feel comfortable with what happened with the reporters. Not because their questioning dredged up some bad memories but because Penny didn't get to tell the reporters everything that happened [[Recap/BojackHorsemanS2E11EscapeFromLA that night] night]] before Charlotte got them to leave.
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* {{Fainting}}: Bojack faints at the end of the episode after Charlotte's phone call out of shock because he thinks some reporters found out what he nearly did to Penny.

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