History Quotes / PanderingToTheBase

-->--'''Website/TFWikiDotNet''', [[https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER "Ruined Forever"]] (yep, the article [[TropeNamers that named]] [[RuinedFOREVER our trope]]).

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->''"Seeking to please everyone pleases no one at all."''
-->--'''Childe''', ''VideoGame/GenshinImpact''

->''"...I think there’s a great cautionary tale here about what happens when you listen to the fans. Because the hardcore followers of any franchise, ''Franchise/StarTrek'' or otherwise, [[VocalMinority who make the most noise]] are generally the ones most bogged down by their own personal hang-ups and obsessions, and therefore the least capable of knowing what would make for a good story."''

-->''"Seeking to please everyone pleases no one at all."''

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->''"If it's an idea you would have thought of anyway, fine. It's okay for a manga artist to adapt like that. But if you go around absorbing everything your fans give you, you end up with gibberish, like this. Listen, fan mail is something to encourage you, not something to steal ideas from. If you start using all these suggestions, then your work won't be Muto Ashirogi's anymore. It'll be something your fans created... understand?"''
-->-- '''Miura''' [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructs]] this idea, ''Manga/{{Bakuman}}''

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->''Give the People what they want\\
And they'll get what they deserve''
-->-- '''Music/TheKinks'''

->''"Oh yes, and UsefulNotes/NikolaTesla shows up as a character -- which I feel always comes across as a transparent and desperate attempt to go ''"Oh, look at all the nerd cred we've got splattering wetly down our inner thighs"''."''
-->--'''''WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation''''' on ''VideoGame/TheOrder1886''

->''"For better and for worse, it’s the Bond film that traditionalists have clamored for since Craig assumed the mantle. Depending upon your persuasion, the last couple of outings have either been frustrating or refreshing, as EON has playfully poked, prodded, and explored what a “Bond film” truly is, almost to the point of teasing the fan base with familiar but rejumbled signifiers. As someone who falls into the latter camp, “Spectre” feels so much like an exhausted parent finally giving in: ''“here’s your stock gun barrel opening”''"''
-->--'''[[http://www.hollywoodbitchslap.com/review.php?movie=27484&reviewer=429 Brett Gallman]]''' on ''{{Film/Spectre}}''

->''"If you’re not the sort of person who’s excited because a [[Creator/JonPertwee Pertwee]]-era monster is coming back, you’re no longer the sort of person the program is for... When the program so cavalierly discards the idea of doing interesting or relevant drama in favor of doing things that [[WeAllLiveInAmerica get cheered at American conventions]], frankly, there’s a real problem with it."''
-->--'''Dr. El Sandifer''' [[http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/300-million-years-out-of-your-comfort-zone-warriors-of-the-deep/ on]] ''Series/DoctorWho'' ([[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS21E1WarriorsoftheDeep}} "Warriors of the Deep"]])

->''"More than ever since the show returned to our screens in 2005, the show is being made for its fans, which is why you can hear the cry of delight from that quarter whilst the viewing figures from the abandoning audience at large are at an [[ContinuityLockout all-time low.]]"''
-->--'''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/under-lake-written-by-toby-whithouse.html Joe Ford]]''' on [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS35E3UnderTheLake}} "Under The Lake"]]

->''"Tapping into the heartfelt meanings we build ''in our lives'' is one thing (that's what art does), but recycling the ones we associate with other art is something else altogether. The "technical term" for it is pastiche, and on ''Smallville'' the approach is at once respectful of the primary referent (again, [[Film/{{Superman}} Donner]]) but somewhat disrespectful of the audience because it assumes that we will slavishly eat it up. It's manipulative, it's lazy, and, in many respects, it seems to have succeeded."''
-->--'''[[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville-finale3 Marc Pritchard]]''' on ''{{Series/Smallville}}''

->''"'Hey! Comic nerds! This thing you know, ComicBook/{{Darkseid}}, is gonna be here, so watch, information fetishists!'\\\
Which is kind of sad, exploitative, and unfair. Cruel, some might say. There are things about [[{{Fanboy}} fanatics]] that, by the very nature of the term, make them almost religious in their zealotry."''
-->--'''[[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/tv/tv.php?topic=reviews/smallville-finale1 Neal Bailey]]'''

->''"Also, would someone tell the writers that dropping in references to obscure Marvel characters does not make for a better show? From a recurring character who becomes Deathlok, to unimpressive guest appearances by Graviton and Blackout and Lorelei, to awkward namedrops of Blizzard, Quasar, and the Griffin, I can assure them that no one other than hardcore Marvel fanatics cares about this stuff in the slightest."''
-->--'''''Website/TheAgonyBooth''''' [[http://www.agonybooth.com/tv/Marvels_Agents_of_SHIELD_Second_Chance.aspx on]] ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD''

->''"One problem cited by critics familiar with the Batman mythos is ''{{Series/Gotham}}''[=’=]s inclusion of too many characters (with [[EveryoneWentToSchoolTogether forced relationships]]) at the onset. Like an all-you-can-eat buffet, the overstocked spread leaves us inexplicably unsatisfied."''
-->--'''''[[http://comicsalliance.com/gotham-season-1-recap-episode-4-arkham/ ComicsAlliance]]'''''

->''"Red and Yellow [[Wrestling/HulkHogan Hogan]]. Got by far the biggest loudest crowd pop of the night. {{Wrestling/Goldberg}} and {{Wrestling/Sting}} were a distant second. Hogan's pop was like 3 minutes long and the crowd was screaming over every punch he did. Good Lord, now he will never retire. Idiots."''
-->--'''''[[http://www.ddtdigest.com/updates/1999082m.htm DDT]]''''' on ''Wrestling/WCWMondayNitro'' 8.9.99

->'''April:''' The whole show seemed nostalgia-based, which seems strange to me because there are so many new fans now.\\
'''Noah:''' Hey, just from the initial reactions I've seen on Twitter, apparently you and I are [[CriticalDissonance in the minority]], because the reception to this pay-per-view has apparently been very, very, good.\\
'''April:''' So basically, I'm gonna be getting more [[EightPointEight death threats]].
-->--'''''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2D-Lh38Uas#t=1400s Wrestle! Wrestle!]]''''' on ''Wrestling/{{Wrestle Mania}} XXXI''

->''"It's got ''Ultima'' words, and ''Ultima'' pictures and characters in it. But it got it all wrong. The characters are all there, but they don't ''mean'' anything and they don't contribute anything. It's like ''Franchise/KingdomHearts."''\\\
(Chorus of boos)''
-->--'''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Noah Antwiler]]''' on ''VideoGame/{{Ultima}}: Runes of Virtue''

->''"''Ducktales Remastered''[='=]s levels are just lousy with cutscenes. I have no issue with an opening or closing sequence, but [[Creator/WayForwardTechnologies WayForward]] felt it necessary to stop me every five minutes so Scrooge and the gang could jabberjaw... Now, at first, I was excited to be watching what is essentially a bunch of new episodes of ''Ducktales''!\\\
And then I remembered, 'I'm a college graduate with an office job who enjoys ''Series/TheWire'' and ''Series/BreakingBad''. I don't give a shit about '''any''' of this anymore.'"''
-->--'''WebVideo/TheHappyVideoGameNerd''' on ''[[{{Videogame/Ducktales}} Ducktales Remastered]]''

->"If it's an idea you would have thought of anyway, fine. It's okay for a manga artist to adapt like that. But if you go around absorbing everything your fans give you, you end up with gibberish, like this. Listen, fan mail is something to encourage you, not something to steal ideas from. If you start using all these suggestions, then your work won't be Muto Ashirogi's anymore. It'll be something your fans created... understand?"

->''"Why give legacy comics fans what they think they want at all? The notion that the longtime readers somehow have a greater claim on a comics character than the new fan – and that both outrank the artist – has plagued the industry for as long as there have been superheroes; people who spend 20 or 30 years reading the adventure of a single character develop proprietary feelings that have nothing to do with the nature or intricacy of the creative process."

->''“Nanoha may appear to be an average third-grader, but she has a secret: she’s actually a clone created by an evil animation company, imbued with a personality culled from millions of outgoing animated magical girls, and sent to suck the life from anime fans who walked into the series expecting quality entertainment.”''

->''"It's got ''Ultima'' words, and ''Ultima'' pictures and characters in it. But it got it all wrong. The characters are all there, but they don't ''mean'' anything and they don't contribute anything. It's like ''Franchise/KingdomHearts.''\\\
''(chorus of boos)''"''

And then I remembered: 'I'm a college graduate with an office job who enjoys ''Series/TheWire'' and ''Series/BreakingBad''. I don't give a shit about '''any''' of this anymore.'"''

->''"It's got ''Ultima'' words, and ''Ultima'' pictures and characters in it. But it got it all wrong. The characters are all there, but they don't ''mean'' anything and they don't contribute anything. It's like ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts.''\\\

''([[FandomBerserkButton chorus of boos]])''"''

-->--'''''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2D-Lh38Uas#t=1400s Wrestle! Wrestle!]]''''' on ''{{Wrestle Mania}} XXXI''

-->--'''Dr. Phil Sandifer''' [[http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/300-million-years-out-of-your-comfort-zone-warriors-of-the-deep/ on]] ''Series/DoctorWho'' ([[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS21E1WarriorsoftheDeep}} "Warriors of the Deep"]])

-->--'''[[WebVideo/TheSpoonyExperiment Noah Antwiler]]''' on ''Franchise/{{Ultima}}: Runes of Virtue''

->''"If you’re not the sort of person who’s excited because a [[Creator/JonPertwee Pertwee]]-era monster is coming back, you’re no longer the sort of person the program is for...when the program so cavalierly discards the idea of doing interesting or relevant drama in favor of doing things that [[WeAllLiveInAmerica get cheered at American conventions]], frankly, there’s a real problem with it."''

->''"More than ever since the show returned to our screens in 2005, the show is being made for it's fans, which is why you can hear the cry of delight from that quarter whilst the viewing figures from the abandoning audience at large are at an [[ContinuityLockout all time low.]]"''

-->--'''Dr. Phil Sandifer''' [[http://www.philipsandifer.com/2012/04/300-million-years-out-of-your-comfort.html on]] ''Series/DoctorWho'' ([[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS21E1WarriorsoftheDeep}} "Warriors of the Deep"]])

->'''Mike''': It's like the picture of the cow. It shows all the meat cuts are.\\

->''"Tapping into the heartfelt meanings we build ''in our lives'' is one thing (that's what art does), but recycling the ones we associate with other art is something else altogether. The "technical term" for it is pastiche, and on ''Smallville'' the approach is at once respectful of the primary referent (again, [[Film/{{Superman}} Donner]]) but somewhat disrespectful of the audience because it assumes that we will slavishly eat it up. It's manipulative, it's lazy, and, in many respects, [[ViewersAreMorons it seems to have succeeded.]]"''

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->''A familiar bugbear of mine to anybody who frequents this blog regularly is how [[Audio/BigFinishDoctorWho Big Finish]] shamelessly plunders ''Doctor Who'' history for old villains to re-emerge for a second attempt to conquer the universe/bring down the Doctor/revel in mass murder (delete as applicable) in a desire to drive sales and appease fans who fell in love with the show through the classic series. It's a fair enough marketing strategy but I would probably gauge the success of bringing back these nostalgic elements as partial, because there are as many stories that do something unique and innovative with those elements as there are those that drop old monsters into a story for the hell of it just to promote the ringing of cash registers."''
-->--'''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.com/2015/08/bernice-summerfield-and-triumph-of.html Joe Ford]]''' on ''Franchise/BerniceSummerfield and The Pyramid of Sutekh''

->''"How many times has the ''climax'' of the story been the revelation of who the villain is? You get this full-page panel for the last page of the story and it's SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}}, and you get a ''[[{{Squee}} chill]]'' if you know who Magneto is, but if you've never heard of Magneto before, this is no climax to a story."''
-->-- '''Rick Norwood''', "Hot Tips from Top Comics Creators"

->''"There is the inevitable reaction, “Mike and Bryan just caved in to the fans.” Well, which fans? There were plenty of Makorra shippers out there, so if we had gone back on our decision and gotten those characters back together, would that have meant we caved in to those fans instead? Either direction we went, there would inevitably be a faction that was elated and another that was devastated. Trust me, I remember Kataang vs. Zutara. But one of those directions is going to be the one that feels right to us, and Mike and I have always made both Avatar and Korra for us, first and foremost. We are lucky that so many other people around the world connect with these series as well. Tahno playing trombone––now that was us caving in to the fans!"''
-->-- '''[[http://bryankonietzko.tumblr.com/post/105916338157/korrasami-is-canon-you-can-celebrate-it-embrace Bryan Konietzko]] refuting this trope as the reason for [[spoiler: Korrasami]].'''

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->''"It's got ''Ultima'' words, and ''Ultima'' pictures and characters in it. But it got it all wrong. The characters are all there, but they don't ''mean'' anything and they don't contribute anything. It's like ''KingdomHearts.''\\\
''(chorus of boos)''\\\
Whatever. You've got Cloud Strife fighting Donald Duck in Ancient Greece, kiss my pucker."''

->''"''Ducktales Remastered''[='=]s levels are just lousy with cutscenes. I have no issue with an opening or closing sequence, but [[Creator/WayForwardTechnologies WayForward]] felt it necessary to [[GameplayAndStorySegregation stop me every five minutes]] so Scrooge and the gang could jabberjaw... Now, at first, I was excited to be watching what is essentially a bunch of new episodes of ''Ducktales''!\\\

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->''"Basically ''Voyager'' wanted a slice of ''[=DS9=]'', didn’t they? Stories in the Alpha Quadrant are popular and Ferengi episodes were a hit with a certain crowd so they thought they could shove it all into one episode and hope that the average ''Star Trek'' fan would submit despite the nonsensical plot and ideas. Not ''this'' fan."''
-->--'''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.com/2012/10/voyager-season-seven.html Joe Ford]]''' on ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', "Inside Man"

'''Noah:''' Hey, just from the initial reactions I've seen on Twitter, apparently you and I are in the minority, because the reception to this pay-per-view has apparently been very, very, good.\\

->''"...Then, he slowly plays to the internet fans. Because Russo--see, he probably has a [[CompensatingForSomething small penis]]. And since he knows that he [[PointyHairedBoss doesn't know what the fuck he's doing]], he has to have positive feedback and reinforcement to make his ego grow. So, he doesn't wanna sell the buildings out; he doesn't wanna have a great TV show; he doesn't wanna produce a product that he can be proud of --'Wow, that was a classic match between two excellent athletes' -- he wants to do fuckin' [[SexSells mud wrestling with two silicone-titted bimbos]] 'cause he's sexually frustrated, and he wants the internet fans to think he's great, because ''they're'' the ones he can listen to. Because the ''other'' fans, the ones that pay the money for all the tickets, they're cheering the stars. And guess what?: He ain't a star. He ain't on TV. He's just a writer. '''Maybe he can fix that'''... The internet people are stroking him enough that the ''other'' marks, the ones [[Wrestling/{{WCW}} running the multi-million dollar business]] in Atlanta, they [[VocalMinority don't know the fucking difference.]]"''
-->--'''Wrestling/JimCornette''' [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMm0Alg0bvs on]] Wrestling/VinceRusso

->'''April:''' The whole show seemed [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia-based]], which seems strange to me because there are so many new fans now. It seems like the fanbase of WWE has shifted; it seems like there are a lot more nerds and hipsters than there used to be, which is why people love [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]] instead of the big huge muscle-guys. Of course, Wrestling/VinceMcMahon has never caught up to that, which why they never promote Daniel Bryan the way they should. But the fans have gotten nerdier--the fans have gotten ''smarter''--and while they might go back to watch old matches and have a sense of nostalgia the way I have a sense of nostalgia about ''[[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987 TMNT]]'' and ''WesternAnimation/{{Thundercats}}'', it's still not the same.\\
'''Noah:''' But hey, just from the initial reactions I've seen on Twitter, apparently you and I are in the minority, because the reception to this pay-per-view has apparently been very, very, good.\\

->''"Well, folks, it's finally happened: After 3 years of development, after a double-headed crowdfunded campaign that [[DevelopmentHell split this game's release in half]], and after some internet drama that turned Double Fine into a punching bag in some circles, the first big crowdfunding project is finally complete...After all that work and drama, Kickstarter has finally made a--! ''[*{{losing horns}}*]'' --'nother game you can just [[SturgeonsLaw throw on the pile]]. ''Broken Age'' is an old-school point n' click adventure game brought to you by the creative lead behind SCUMM engine classics such as ''VideoGame/FullThrottle'', the ''VideoGame/MonkeyIsland'' series and ''VideoGame/GrimFandango''. It banks '''so''' hard on nostalgia for those old games that there's even an instant "Retro Mode" button that applies a [[StylisticSuck pixellation dithering filter]] right there on the spot. (Which isn't how pixel art is supposed to look at all.)"''
-->--'''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPz-dAgXS1s George Weidman]]''' on ''VideoGame/BrokenAge''

->''"[[Creator/JohnNathanTurner (John) Nathan-Turner]] isn’t making the program for the general public, who would have, on the whole, much preferred to see something that had an interesting idea beyond '[[TheUsualAdversaries Wow! Silurians! And Sea Devils!]]' He’s making it for ''Doctor Who'' fans, and then as much the ones in the US and Australia as the ones in the UK. If you’re not the sort of person who’s excited because a [[Creator/JonPertwee Pertwee]]-era monster is coming back, you’re no longer the sort of person the program is for...when the program so cavalierly discards the idea of doing interesting or relevant drama in favor of doing things that [[WeAllLiveInAmerica get cheered at American conventions]], frankly, there’s a real problem with it."''

->''"I think a lot of people accept and embrace [[{{Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors}} "The Five Doctors"]] for what it is. It’s not a perfect piece of television (I’m not even sure it’s a decent piece of television), but it’s suitably nostalgic and we can forgive it those indulgences.\\\
However, turning the entire twentieth season into a glorified victory lap was a mistake. Decreeing that each of the season’s adventures should feature a returning adversary was missing the point a bit. One of the big problems towards the end of the [[Creator/PeterDavison Davison]] era, and into the Creator/ColinBaker era, was the tendency of ''Doctor Who'' to look backwards and inwards rather than forwards and outwards...It’s no coincidence that the two strongest stories of the season – [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS20E5Enlightenment}} "Enlightenment"]] and [[{{Recap/DoctorWhoS20E2Snakedance}} "Snakedance"]] -- were the two with the weakest links to the show’s past."''
-->--'''[[http://them0vieblog.com/2013/06/08/doctor-who-the-kings-demons-review/ Darren Mooney]]''' on ''Doctor Who'' Season 20

->''"The insane premises get worse and worse this season – this episode is based on the principle that the three nomad Ferengi characters have bypassed a Reg Barclay hologram in order to trick ''Voyager'' into a specific location where they can steal Seven of Nine’s nanoprobes and sell them! Where do I start with the bad? For a start, nobody does the Ferengi like ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]]'' and these three characters are all completely forgettable and pretty irritating. Secondly: the Ferengi have the technical skill to put all this in place? Thirdly: isn’t there an easy way of making profit in the Alpha Quadrant without trying to exploit the [[ComplexityAddiction insanely over-complicated situation]] with ''Voyager'' in the Delta Quadrant? Fourthly: who the fuck would want Borg nanoprobes anyway? Basically ''Voyager'' wanted a slice of ''[=DS9=]'', didn’t they? Stories in the Alpha Quadrant are popular and Ferengi episodes were a hit with a certain crowd so they thought they could shove it all into one episode and hope that the average ''Star Trek'' fan would submit despite the nonsensical plot and ideas. Not ''this'' fan."''

->''"My principal quarrel is not that established continuity was [[AssPull often disregarded]], nor that the latter seasons especially depend more on [[ContinuityPorn fan service]] than they do on internal consistency of either character or plot, nor even with the carrot-and-stick setting of expectations and all-too-common [[ResetButton failure to deliver on them.]]\\\
No, it's that the emotional pulse of the show came to be pretty much completely regulated by feelings we already had, so that the real work of getting the audience to care about the characters and believe in their struggles was already done, long ago and by other people -- most specifically, by the end, Creator/RichardDonner, Music/JohnWilliams and Creator/ChristopherReeve (who remains, to this day [in my estimation], the single best actor ever to have worn both the cape and the glasses).\\\
I suspect, in fact, that this is why ''Smallville'' developed the increasing tendency to exploit the Donner films...Tapping into the heartfelt meanings we build ''in our lives'' is one thing (that's what art does), but recycling the ones we associate with other art is something else altogether. The "technical term" for it is pastiche, and on ''Smallville'' the approach is at once respectful of the primary referent (again, Donner) but somewhat disrespectful of the audience because it assumes that we will slavishly eat it up. It's manipulative, it's lazy, and, in many respects, [[ViewersAreMorons it seems to have succeeded.]]"''

->''"Twenty-one episodes of show built up to [[{{Anticlimax}} a one-hit kill]] for the main baddie whose origins, motivations, and personal rationale are never even remotely explored outside of 'Hey! Comic nerds! This thing you know, ComicBook/{{Darkseid}}, is gonna be here, so watch, information fetishists!'\\\
Which is kind of sad, exploitative, and unfair. Cruel, some might say. There are things about [[{{Fanboy}} fanatics]] that, by the very nature of the term, make them almost religious in their zealotry...All of this goes to serve a broader indictment of what ''Smallville'' was as an entity. The putrefaction of an American myth to serve the higher gods of money.\\\
In other words, [[LifeImitatesArt Darkseid won our souls.]]"''

->''"Also, would someone tell the writers that dropping in references to obscure Marvel characters does not make for a better show? From a recurring character who becomes Deathlok, to unimpressive guest appearances by Graviton and Blackout and Lorelei, to awkward namedrops of Blizzard, Quasar, and the Griffin, I can assure them that no one other than hardcore Marvel fanatics cares about this stuff in the slightest. They need to spend less time researching old comic books and more time creating interesting ''original'' characters."''