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* '''Parodied''': Charlie was an ice cream salesman, and Alice lives in morbid fear that Bob will be - gasp! - an ice cream man as well.
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* '''Parodied''': Charlie was an ice cream salesman, and Alice lives in morbid fear that Bob will be - -- gasp! - -- an ice cream man as well.
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* '''Enforced''': Turns out Charlie wasn't dead at all, just alienated from Bob by Alice; he sues her for primary custody, wins, and raises his son to be just like him.
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%% Enforced means the trope is included for reasons OTHER THAN the author just wanting to include it.
* '''Enforced''':Turns out Charlie wasn't dead at all, just alienated from Bob by Alice; he sues her for primary custody, wins, and raises his son to be just like him.???
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* '''Straight''': After John dies in battle, before his son, Bob, is born, Jane raises Bob far away from military installations and does not tell him anything about his father's military career.
* '''Exaggerated''': Jane raises Bob in the forest, so ''no one'' could tell him anything about the military.
* '''Downplayed''': Jane tells Bob about the military, some local installations, and some relatives who were in the military (obviously not including John), but that's it.
* '''Exaggerated''': Jane raises Bob in the forest, so ''no one'' could tell him anything about the military.
* '''Downplayed''': Jane tells Bob about the military, some local installations, and some relatives who were in the military (obviously not including John), but that's it.
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* '''Straight''': After John Charlie dies in battle, before his son, Bob, is born, Jane Alice raises Bob far away from military installations and does not tell him anything about his father's military career.
* '''Exaggerated''':Jane Alice raises Bob in the forest, so ''no one'' could tell him anything about the military.
* '''Downplayed''':Jane Alice tells Bob about the military, some local installations, and some relatives who were in the military (obviously not including John), Charlie), but that's it.
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* '''Downplayed''':
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* '''Inverted''': Jane eagerly tries to mold Bob into acting just like John.
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* '''Inverted''': Jane Alice eagerly tries to mold Bob into acting just like John.Charlie.
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** Jane made up John's military career to have an excuse to control her son.
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** It looks like Jane Alice is trying to raise Bob to be different, but then it turns out that she is subtly trying to mold him into John.
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**Jane Alice made up John's Charlie's military career to have an excuse to control her son.
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* '''Parodied''': John was an ice cream salesman, and Jane lives in morbid fear that Bob will be - gasp! - an ice cream man as well.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Whenver Bob does something, Jane immediately compares it to what John would do. Then she decides whether to encourage or discourage it based on how well it worked for John.
* '''Averted''': Jane is okay with him being whatever he wants to when he grows up.
* '''Enforced''': Turns out John wasn't dead at all, just alienated from Bob by Jane; he sues her for primary custody, wins, and raises his son to be just like him.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Whenver Bob does something, Jane immediately compares it to what John would do. Then she decides whether to encourage or discourage it based on how well it worked for John.
* '''Averted''': Jane is okay with him being whatever he wants to when he grows up.
* '''Enforced''': Turns out John wasn't dead at all, just alienated from Bob by Jane; he sues her for primary custody, wins, and raises his son to be just like him.
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* '''Parodied''': John Charlie was an ice cream salesman, and Jane Alice lives in morbid fear that Bob will be - gasp! - an ice cream man as well.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Whenver Bob does something,Jane Alice immediately compares it to what John Charlie would do. Then she decides whether to encourage or discourage it based on how well it worked for John.
Charlie.
* '''Averted''':Jane Alice is okay with him being whatever he wants to when he grows up.
* '''Enforced''': Turns outJohn Charlie wasn't dead at all, just alienated from Bob by Jane; Alice; he sues her for primary custody, wins, and raises his son to be just like him.
* '''Zig Zagged''': Whenver Bob does something,
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* '''Enforced''': Turns out
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* '''Exploited''': The Big Bad makes sure Jane raises Bob so that he doesn't grow up to be a hero.
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* '''Exploited''': The Big Bad makes sure Jane Alice raises Bob so that he doesn't grow up to be a hero.
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* '''Discussed''': "The chances are that Jane will raise Bob to be different from his father."
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* '''Discussed''': "The chances are that Jane Alice will raise Bob to be different from his father."
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* '''Deconstructed''': Jane's pathological need to [[MyBelovedSmother control Bob]] is part guilt over how she treated John, part making her son wholly her own, and results Bob revolting and fleeing her. To join the army.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Jane's Alice's pathological need to [[MyBelovedSmother control Bob]] is part guilt over how she treated John, Charlie, part making her son wholly her own, and results Bob revolting and fleeing her. To join the army.
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** Jane does not control Bob but instead just encourages any safe interest he has. Bob does not feel especially controlled and she succeeds.
* '''Implied''': Bob asks about his father, and Jane suddenly gets very serious and refuses to tell him. The camera pauses meaningfully on what might be a posthumous medal of honor.
* '''Implied''': Bob asks about his father, and Jane suddenly gets very serious and refuses to tell him. The camera pauses meaningfully on what might be a posthumous medal of honor.
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** Jane Alice does not control Bob but instead just encourages any safe interest he has. Bob does not feel especially controlled and she succeeds.
* '''Implied''': Bob asks about his father, andJane Alice suddenly gets very serious and refuses to tell him. The camera pauses meaningfully on what might be a posthumous medal of honor.
* '''Implied''': Bob asks about his father, and
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That's a video game level trope, not a general forest trope.
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* '''Exaggerated''': Jane raises Bob in the LostWoods, so ''no one'' could tell him anything about the military.
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* '''Exaggerated''': Jane raises Bob in the LostWoods, forest, so ''no one'' could tell him anything about the military.
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** John was the BigBad. Jane raises Bob to be good.
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** John was the BigBad. Jane raises Bob made up John's military career to be good.have an excuse to control her son.
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** John was the BigBad Jane But she still raises Bob him to be evil.more cautious than his father.
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* '''Defied''': "Nah."
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* '''Defied''': "Nah." Bob can make his own choices."
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* '''Reconstructed''': She has, however, installed in him some sense, so that while he turns a soldier, he is less headstrong and survives.
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* '''Reconstructed''': '''Reconstructed''':
** She has, however, installed in him some sense, so that while he turns a soldier, he is less headstrong andsurvives.survives.
** Jane does not control Bob but instead just encourages any safe interest he has. Bob does not feel especially controlled and she succeeds.
* '''Implied''': Bob asks about his father, and Jane suddenly gets very serious and refuses to tell him. The camera pauses meaningfully on what might be a posthumous medal of honor.
** She has, however, installed in him some sense, so that while he turns a soldier, he is less headstrong and
** Jane does not control Bob but instead just encourages any safe interest he has. Bob does not feel especially controlled and she succeeds.
* '''Implied''': Bob asks about his father, and Jane suddenly gets very serious and refuses to tell him. The camera pauses meaningfully on what might be a posthumous medal of honor.
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* '''Exploited''': ???
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* '''Exploited''': ???The Big Bad makes sure Jane raises Bob so that he doesn't grow up to be a hero.
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* '''Justified''': Jane is terrified that Bob will die, too.
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* '''Justified''': '''Justified''':
** Jane is terrified that Bob will die, too.
** Jane is terrified that Bob will die, too.
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* '''Double Subverted''': Except then she's not.
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* '''Double Subverted''': Subverted''':
** Except then she's not.
** Except then she's not.
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* '''Subverted''': It looks like Jane is trying to raise Bob to be different, but then it turns out that she is subtly trying to mold him into John.
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* '''Subverted''': '''Subverted''':
** It looks like Jane is trying to raise Bob to be different, but then it turns out that she is subtly trying to mold him into John.
** It looks like Jane is trying to raise Bob to be different, but then it turns out that she is subtly trying to mold him into John.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Jane's pathological need to [[MyBelovedSmother control Bob]] is part guilt over how she treated John, part making her son wholly her own, and results Bob revolting and fleeing her. To join the army.
* '''Reconstructed''': She has, however, installed in him some sense, so that while he turns a soldier, he is less headstrong and survives.
* '''Reconstructed''': She has, however, installed in him some sense, so that while he turns a soldier, he is less headstrong and survives.
* '''Exploited''': ???
* '''Deconstructed''': Jane's pathological need to [[MyBelovedSmother control Bob]] is part guilt over how she treated John, part making her son wholly her own, and results Bob revolting and fleeing her. To join the army.
* '''Reconstructed''': She has, however, installed in him some sense, so that while he turns a soldier, he is less headstrong and survives.
* '''Reconstructed''': She has, however, installed in him some sense, so that while he turns a soldier, he is less headstrong and survives.
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%%* '''Played For Laughs''': ???
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** John was the [[BigBad]].BigBad. Jane raises Bob to be good.
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** John was the [[BigBad]] BigBad Jane raises Bob to be evil.
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* '''Straight''': After John dies in battle, Jane raises their son far away from military installations and does not tell him anything about his father's military career.
* '''Exaggerated''': Jane raises their son in the LostWoods, so ''no one'' could tell him anything about the military.
* '''Justified''': Jane is terrified that her son will die, too.
* '''Inverted''': Jane eagerly tries to mold her son into acting just like John.
* '''Subverted''': It looks like Jane is trying to raise their son to be different, but then it turns out that she is subtly trying to mold him into John.
* '''Exaggerated''': Jane raises their son in the LostWoods, so ''no one'' could tell him anything about the military.
* '''Justified''': Jane is terrified that her son will die, too.
* '''Inverted''': Jane eagerly tries to mold her son into acting just like John.
* '''Subverted''': It looks like Jane is trying to raise their son to be different, but then it turns out that she is subtly trying to mold him into John.
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* '''Straight''': After John dies in battle, before his son, Bob, is born, Jane raises their son Bob far away from military installations and does not tell him anything about his father's military career.
* '''Exaggerated''': Jane raisestheir son Bob in the LostWoods, so ''no one'' could tell him anything about the military.
* '''Downplayed''': Jane tells Bob about the military, some local installations, and some relatives who were in the military (obviously not including John), but that's it.
* '''Justified''': Jane is terrified thather son Bob will die, too.
* '''Inverted''': Jane eagerly tries to moldher son Bob into acting just like John.
* '''Subverted''': It looks like Jane is trying to raisetheir son Bob to be different, but then it turns out that she is subtly trying to mold him into John.
* '''Exaggerated''': Jane raises
* '''Downplayed''': Jane tells Bob about the military, some local installations, and some relatives who were in the military (obviously not including John), but that's it.
* '''Justified''': Jane is terrified that
* '''Inverted''': Jane eagerly tries to mold
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* '''Parodied''': John was an ice cream salesman, and Jane lives in morbid fear that her son will be - gasp! - an ice cream man as well.
* '''Deconstructed''': Jane's pathological need to [[MyBelovedSmother control her son]] is part guilt over how she treated John, part making her son wholly her own, and results in her son revolting and fleeing her. Possibly to join the army.
* '''Deconstructed''': Jane's pathological need to [[MyBelovedSmother control her son]] is part guilt over how she treated John, part making her son wholly her own, and results in her son revolting and fleeing her. Possibly to join the army.
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* '''Parodied''': John was an ice cream salesman, and Jane lives in morbid fear that her son Bob will be - gasp! - an ice cream man as well.
* '''Deconstructed''': Jane's pathological need to [[MyBelovedSmother controlher son]] Bob]] is part guilt over how she treated John, part making her son wholly her own, and results in her son Bob revolting and fleeing her. Possibly to To join the army.
* '''Deconstructed''': Jane's pathological need to [[MyBelovedSmother control
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Whenver the son does something, Jane immediately compares it to what John would do. Then she decides whether to encourage or discourage it based on how well it worked for John.
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* '''Zig Zagged''': Whenver the son Bob does something, Jane immediately compares it to what John would do. Then she decides whether to encourage or discourage it based on how well it worked for John.
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* '''Enforced''': Turns out John wasn't dead at all, just alienated from his son by Jane; he sues her for primary custody, wins, and raises his son to be just like him.
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* '''Enforced''': Turns out John wasn't dead at all, just alienated from his son Bob by Jane; he sues her for primary custody, wins, and raises his son to be just like him.
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* '''Discussed''': "The chances are that Alice will raise Bob to be different from his father."
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* '''Discussed''': "The chances are that Alice Jane will raise Bob to be different from his father."
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"The chances are that Alice will raise Bob to be different from his father."
* '''Conversed''':???"TheHero will never turn out evil like his father. His mother always brings him up to be different."
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* '''Enforced''': Jane's ex-husband, having primary custody, can raise his son without much interference from Jane.
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* '''Enforced''': Jane's ex-husband, having Turns out John wasn't dead at all, just alienated from his son by Jane; he sues her for primary custody, can raise wins, and raises his son without much interference from Jane.to be just like him.
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* '''Enforced''': ???Jane's ex-husband, having primary custody, can raise his son without much interference from Jane.