History PlayingWith / GodzillaThreshold

23rd Jul '17 11:21:08 PM TroperNo9001
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* '''Straight''': In repsonse to Emperor Evulz going OmnicidalManiac and presenting a very credible threat to the world, the nation of Troperia decides to start using tactics that they'd never consider for anything less, because it's not like the world can get any ''more'' destroyed than if Evulz wins.

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* '''Straight''': In repsonse response to Emperor Evulz going OmnicidalManiac and presenting a very credible threat to the world, the nation of Troperia decides to start using tactics that they'd never consider for anything less, because it's not like the world can get any ''more'' destroyed than if Evulz wins.
22nd Jun '17 1:51:20 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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'''Basic Trope''': A situation has gone [[FromBadToWorse so far downhill]] that the people combating it are willing to use extremely destructive, powerful, and risky tactics to defeat it, because ''anything'' is better than allowing the current problem to continue.

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'''Basic Trope''': A situation has gone [[FromBadToWorse so far downhill]] that the people combating it are willing to use extremely destructive, powerful, risky, and risky morally dubious tactics to defeat it, because ''anything'' is better than allowing the current problem to continue.
2nd Feb '17 8:59:13 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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'''Basic Trope''': There are situations so bad that anything that would end them is justified. Anything.
* '''Straight''': A problem is so severe it requires an extreme intervention (anything from [[LesserOfTwoEvils risking major, life-altering injuries and/or ongoing health problems for an individual so they live]] to destroying large amounts of property to [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption killing people or risking their deaths]] to prevent a far greater harm with far worse losses).
* '''Exaggerated''': The situation has gotten so bad that ending it by killing 99% of the world's population and reducing the remaining 1% to Stone Age technology is actually better than allowing it to continue.

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'''Basic Trope''': There are situations A situation has gone [[FromBadToWorse so bad far downhill]] that anything that would end them the people combating it are willing to use extremely destructive, powerful, and risky tactics to defeat it, because ''anything'' is justified. Anything.
better than allowing the current problem to continue.
* '''Straight''': A problem is so severe it requires an extreme intervention (anything from [[LesserOfTwoEvils risking major, life-altering injuries and/or ongoing health problems In repsonse to Emperor Evulz going OmnicidalManiac and presenting a very credible threat to the world, the nation of Troperia decides to start using tactics that they'd never consider for an individual so they live]] to destroying large amounts of property to [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption killing anything less, because it's not like the world can get any ''more'' destroyed than if Evulz wins.
* '''Exaggerated''':
** Emperor Evulz is such a threat that the
people or risking their deaths]] of Troperia don't hesitate to prevent use a far greater harm with far worse losses).
* '''Exaggerated''': The situation has gotten so bad
tactic that ending it by killing ''may'' defeat him- but will ''definitely'' kill 99% of the world's population and reducing reduce the remaining 1% to Stone Age technology technology.
** Emperor Evulz
is actually better than allowing it a threat to continue.the entire universe, and his opponents do stuff like create new black holes in order to fight him.



** The situation hasn't reached the GodzillaThreshold.
** The severe solution is shrugged off as not being the GodzillaThreshold even though it, for all intents and purposes, is. "We are only deploying one small nuclear bomb..."
** The situation has definitely reached and possibly gone beyond the threshold, but is being kept secret for fear of the [[MassOhCrap public finding out about it.]]

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** The situation hasn't reached While the GodzillaThreshold.
** The severe solution
nation of Troperia is shrugged off as not being doing more extreme things in the GodzillaThreshold even though it, for all intents and purposes, is. "We war against Emperor Evulz, there are only deploying one small nuclear bomb..."
** The situation has definitely reached and possibly gone beyond the threshold, but is being kept secret for fear of the [[MassOhCrap public finding out about it.]]
some lines they still feel they don't have to cross.



** The situation can be resolved via interventions that are cheap, simple, and cause little or no lasting or permanent damage or death or destruction. It is the exact opposite of crossing the threshold, and anyone who invokes an option that ''does'' cross the threshold in it anyway has crossed the MoralEventHorizon and committed anything from medical malpractice to murder to a war crime.

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** The situation can be resolved via interventions that There are cheap, simple, quick, reliable, and cause little or no lasting or permanent damage or death or destruction. It is safe methods to solve the exact opposite of crossing problem, and they are happily resorted to first. Anyone trying to use the threshold, and anyone who invokes an option that ''does'' cross the threshold in it anyway GodzillaThreshold solution when these other solutions haven't yet been considered has crossed the MoralEventHorizon and committed anything from medical malpractice to murder to a war crime. MoralEventHorizon.



** The situation looks as if it has crossed the threshold, but it has not at the moment or will not, and there is a solution that, while not necessarily harmless or cheap or simple, is also not as or more horrible in result than what is happening. For example, the cancer can be cured with surgery alone, or the nuclear reactor's last failsafes work well enough that it successfully shuts down ''just'' before core meltdown, although restoring it to actual safe use will be an expensive, long process.

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** The situation At first it looks as if it has crossed the threshold, but it has not at the moment or like Troperia will not, need to use extreme methods to defeat Emperor Evulz, but then Alice and there is a solution that, while not necessarily harmless or cheap or simple, is also not as or more horrible in result than what is happening. For example, the cancer can be cured with surgery alone, or the nuclear reactor's last failsafes work well enough that it successfully shuts down ''just'' before core meltdown, although restoring it her RagtagBunchOfMisfits show up and are able to actual safe use will be an expensive, long process.take him down.



* '''Double Subverted''': The situation looks as if it has not crossed the threshold but it has or is about to.

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* '''Double Subverted''': The situation looks as if it has not crossed GodzillaThreshold-crossing tactics are argued against because Emperor Evulz just wants to rule the threshold world, but it has or then Alice discovers that Evulz really is about to.an OmnicidalManiac, and once he's taken over he'll use his power to destroy everything.



** The problem crosses the threshold briefly but then goes back to being less severe.

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** The problem crosses seems to cross the threshold briefly but then goes back to being less severe.



** The problem never happens or gets near the threshold, due to cooler heads prevailing, failsafe systems that work, [[CrazyPrepared the proper preparation]] preventing it, or similar.

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** The problem never happens or gets near the threshold, due Troperia is able to cooler heads prevailing, failsafe systems that work, [[CrazyPrepared the proper preparation]] preventing it, or similar.defeat Emperor Evulz without resorting to risky last resort tactics.



** In almost all fictional media where something reaches the threshold, for the reasons mentioned in the main article.

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** In almost all fictional media where "The only way that this spectacular and dramatic sequence would ever come to be is if whoever authorized it was really desperate- so you need to find something reaches the threshold, for the reasons mentioned in the main article.to make them that desperate."



** "Look, we have an asteroid headed for Earth. I say all options are on the table including Godzilla himself."
** "The only thing worse than taking this course of action would be not taking it."

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** "Look, we have an asteroid headed for Earth. I say all options are on the table table, up to and including Godzilla himself."
** "The only thing worse than taking this course of action would be not ''not'' taking it."
29th Nov '16 12:29:29 PM megarockman
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* '''Reconstructed''': They turn themselves in, the jury looks over the evidence, and find them innocent of charges since the alternative would have been far worse.

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* '''Reconstructed''': '''Reconstructed''':
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They turn themselves in, the jury looks over the evidence, and find them innocent of charges since the alternative would have been far worse.worse.
** The heroes [[ZeroApprovalGambit may well know that their actions to stop the Big Bad]] would get them imprisoned. The loss of their reputation is just part of the cost - at least they ''have'' a world with a functioning justice system to imprison them.
** The second problem cause by their first GodzillaThreshold-exceeding solution gets them to consider a second one to solve ''that'' problem.
27th Jan '15 7:44:15 PM Luigifan
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* '''Straight''': A problem is so severe it requires an extreme intervention (anything from [[LesserOfTwoEvils risking major, life-altering injuries and/or ongoing health problems for an individual so they live]] to destroying large amounts of property to [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption killing people or risking their deaths]] to prevent a far greater harm with far worse losses.

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* '''Straight''': A problem is so severe it requires an extreme intervention (anything from [[LesserOfTwoEvils risking major, life-altering injuries and/or ongoing health problems for an individual so they live]] to destroying large amounts of property to [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption killing people or risking their deaths]] to prevent a far greater harm with far worse losses.losses).



** The consequences of the action taken may be bad, but the results of not acting really woukd be that much worse. Would you rather sacrifice two cities to end a problem, or lose three and still have it out there?

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** The consequences of the action taken may be bad, but the results of not acting really woukd would be that much worse. Would you rather sacrifice two cities to end a problem, or lose three and still have it out there?



** Can be TruthInTelevision in RealLife as well. Part of the point of many investigations and lawsuits is to determine if such an inversion happened - if someone ''didn't'' stop to think of less dangerous or violent solutions to a situation.

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** Can be TruthInTelevision in RealLife as well. Part of the point of many investigations and lawsuits is to determine if such an inversion happened - -- if someone ''didn't'' stop to think of less dangerous or violent solutions to a situation.



** The solution ends up with a ridiculous consequence such as everyone turning purple.

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** The solution ends up with a ridiculous consequence consequence, such as everyone turning purple.



** In RealLife in general, any situation where the inevitable or near-inevitable outcome of not dealing with the situation or of using less severe solutions is the loss of human life (especially if it's the loss of multiple lives) is usually this to some degree: almost ''any'' amount of property damage, injury, or even death is considered worth it to prevent someone from dying or to prevent someone or something from killing more people than it already has. For example, amputating someone's legs or putting them through chemotherapy or giving them an ongoing drug addiction to save their life, or demolishing a neighborhood to create a firebreak against a superfire or dumping seawater on nuclear reactors - because the alternative is far worse.

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** In RealLife in general, any situation where the inevitable or near-inevitable outcome of not dealing with the situation or of using less severe solutions is the loss of human life (especially if it's the loss of multiple lives) is usually this to some degree: almost ''any'' amount of property damage, injury, or even death is considered worth it to prevent someone from dying or to prevent someone or something from killing more people than it already has. For example, amputating someone's legs or putting them through chemotherapy or giving them an ongoing drug addiction to save their life, or demolishing a neighborhood to create a firebreak against a superfire or dumping seawater on nuclear reactors - -- because the alternative is far worse.



* '''Exploited''': The BigBad [[ManipulativeBastard intentionally set up the situation]] in the first place, because the effects of the Godzilla option is what he wanted in order to implement his real plans.

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* '''Exploited''': The BigBad [[ManipulativeBastard intentionally set up the situation]] in the first place, because the effects of the Godzilla option [[BatmanGambit is what he wanted in order to implement his real plans.plans]].



* '''Discussed''': "I hate to do this but it is the only option we have."

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* '''Discussed''': "I hate to do this this, but it is the only option we have."
31st Jan '14 9:52:25 AM VPhantom
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* '''Deconstructed''': The heroes find a solution that results in many deaths and are considered international criminals despite defeating the BigBad.
** The heroes find a solution that works, but now they're stuck with finding a way to deal with the solution that's just as bad as the previous problem.

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* '''Deconstructed''': '''Deconstructed''':
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The heroes find a solution that results in many deaths and are considered international criminals despite defeating the BigBad.
** The heroes find a solution that works, but now they're stuck with finding a way to deal with the solution that's aftermath of said solution, which is just as bad as (if not worse than) the previous problem.
31st Jan '14 4:00:24 AM Polokun
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Added DiffLines:

** The heroes find a solution that works, but now they're stuck with finding a way to deal with the solution that's just as bad as the previous problem.
17th Jan '14 5:46:23 PM Scrounge
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** The consequences of the action taken may be bad, but the results of not acting really woukd be that much worse. Would you rather sacrifice two cities to end a problem, or lose three and still have it out there?


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** "The only thing worse than taking this course of action would be not taking it."
4th Jun '13 7:21:07 AM VPhantom
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* '''Played For Drama''': The BigBad is defeated but at grave cost. The heroes are despondant. One is DrivenToSuicide, another becomes TheAlcoholic, and the others go their seperate ways.

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* '''Played For Drama''': The BigBad is defeated but at grave cost. The heroes are despondant. despondent. One is DrivenToSuicide, another becomes TheAlcoholic, and the others go their seperate separate ways.
4th Jun '13 2:31:52 AM AP
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** The solution will result in a lot of property damage and maybe a few lives but otherwise, it is not as deadly as other alternatives.



** The solution ends up with a ridiculous consequence such as everyone turning purple.



* '''Defied''': ???
* '''Discussed''': ???
* '''Conversed''': ???

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* '''Defied''': ???
The heroes TakeAThirdOption and find a less-dangerous solution.
* '''Discussed''': ???
"I hate to do this but it is the only option we have."
* '''Conversed''': ???Bob and Alice watch a show and mention how desperate the heroes must be to come up with such a plan.
* '''Deconstructed''': The heroes find a solution that results in many deaths and are considered international criminals despite defeating the BigBad.
* '''Reconstructed''': They turn themselves in, the jury looks over the evidence, and find them innocent of charges since the alternative would have been far worse.
* '''Played For Laughs''': Their solution will result in the destruction of one of the heroes' favorite restaurants. He finds the act horrible and almost decides against it until the other heroes give him a DopeSlap.
* '''Played For Drama''': The BigBad is defeated but at grave cost. The heroes are despondant. One is DrivenToSuicide, another becomes TheAlcoholic, and the others go their seperate ways.



%%* '''Deconstructed''': ???
%%* '''Reconstructed''': ???
%%* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': ???
%%* '''Played For Laughs''': ???
%%* '''Played For Drama''': ???

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%%* '''Deconstructed''': ???
%%* '''Reconstructed''': ???
%%* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': ???
%%* '''Played For Laughs''': ???
%%* '''Played For Drama''':
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