History PlayingWith / EvilCannotComprehendGood

2nd Jun '16 12:36:01 AM CLT009
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** [[TheSociopath Evulz]] knows [[TheChessmaster there's a "pattern" to goodness and that he can predict heroic movements accordingly]]. However, as only analyzes the heroes' actions and doesn't understand the [[ThePowerOfLove core]] [[ThePowerOfFriendship values]], he sometimes [[DidntSeeThatComing miscalculates]] about, say, how quickly a hero will pull a HeroicSacrifice when he dangles a SadisticChoice. GoodIsNotDumb.

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** [[TheSociopath Evulz]] knows [[TheChessmaster there's a "pattern" to goodness and that he can use to predict heroic movements accordingly]]. However, as he only analyzes the heroes' actions and doesn't understand the [[ThePowerOfLove core]] [[ThePowerOfFriendship values]], he sometimes [[DidntSeeThatComing miscalculates]] about, say, how quickly whether a hero will pull a HeroicSacrifice when he dangles a SadisticChoice. GoodIsNotDumb.SadisticChoice or try to TakeAThirdOption. GoodIsNotDumb and [[{{Determinator}} doesn't give up easy]], after all.
1st Jun '16 9:14:45 AM CLT009
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** [[TheSociopath Evulz]] knows [[TheChessmaster there's a "pattern" to goodness and that he can predict heroic movements accordingly]]. However, as only analyzes the heroes' actions and doesn't understand the [[ThePowerOfLove core]] [[ThePowerOfFriendship values]], he sometimes [[DidntSeeThatComing miscalculates]] about, say, how quickly a hero will pull a HeroicSacrifice when he dangles a SadisticChoice. GoodIsNotDumb.
6th Sep '15 12:35:39 PM Omegamaelstrom
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* '''Played For Drama''': Evulz and the hero discuss redemption prior to their final battle, but it's quite clear throughout the tense conversation that Evulz is not going to accept the offer - he seems bewildered by the advantages of being good, seeing them as useless.



%%* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': ???
%%* '''Played For Drama''': ???

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%%* '''Plotted A Good Waste''': ???
%%* '''Played For Drama''':
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6th Sep '15 12:29:51 PM Omegamaelstrom
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* '''Reconstructed''': While his narcissism and failure to understand selflessness is shown to make him a BadBoss and a poor economist, he is still able to instigate a reign of terror productive enough to fund his evil schemes, and by appealing to people's selfish instincts, he builds up a powerful (if not particularly loyal) network of lackeys.

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* '''Reconstructed''': '''Reconstructed''':
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While his narcissism and failure to understand selflessness is shown to make him a BadBoss and a poor economist, he is still able to instigate a reign of terror productive enough to fund his evil schemes, and by appealing to people's selfish instincts, he builds up a powerful (if not particularly loyal) network of lackeys.lackeys.
** The insane Evulz is a terrifying opponent, but his actions are vicious even by the standards of the Mooks, who leave in favour of preserving their own hides. Evulz is powerful, but alone, and that ultimately secures his downfall.
** Evulz has an unnatural view of morality because he himself is artificial in some way and innately driven toward evil by his creator. The protagonists kill him as an act of mercy and go on to prevent someone like him from emerging again.
** Due to his warped mind, Evulz is perfectly fine with substituting love with either material comforts or the opportunity to make people suffer. He believes that his victories are as substantial as everyone else's.
3rd Sep '15 4:06:08 PM SKJAM
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* '''Straight''': [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]] does not believe in true altruism, so he is unprepared when [[MessianicArchetype Jesse]] sacrifices herself for a small village of people Jesse doesn't even know, and this leads to the Emperor's downfall.

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* '''Straight''': [[BigBad Emperor Evulz]] does not believe in true altruism, so he is unprepared when [[MessianicArchetype Jesse]] sacrifices herself himself for a small village of people Jesse doesn't even know, and this leads to the Emperor's downfall.



** Emperor Evulz imprisons Jesse. When Emperor Evulz sees [[MessianicArchetype Jesse]] say "thank you" to a guard after she gets a bowl of oatmeal, Emperor Evulz' head explodes from confusion.

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** Emperor Evulz imprisons Jesse. When Emperor Evulz sees [[MessianicArchetype Jesse]] say "thank you" to a guard after she he gets a bowl of oatmeal, gruel, Emperor Evulz' head explodes from confusion.



** [[StrawVulcan Administrator E-val]] understands altruism, but doesn't see the action as internally consistent. Sure, Jesse helping makes sense, as does sacrificing herself in a decisive battle; he clearly views them as a great evil or threat when she is taking great efforts against him. [[BlueAndOrangeMorality But why would she throw away her life on something not related to her cause?]] If she believes in it, then she should see that [[FridgeLogic dying would do more harm to his causes than good.]] Under his views, she would be harming more people.

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** [[StrawVulcan Administrator E-val]] understands altruism, but doesn't see the action as internally consistent. Sure, Jesse helping makes sense, as does sacrificing herself himself in a decisive battle; he clearly views them as a great evil or threat when she he is taking great efforts against him. [[BlueAndOrangeMorality But why would she he throw away her his life on something not related to her his cause?]] If she he believes in it, then she he should see that [[FridgeLogic dying would do more harm to his causes than good.]] Under his views, she he would be harming more people.



** Evulz projects his corrupt nature on everyone else, no anyone not following his ideal of the world can upset his grand design.

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** Evulz projects his corrupt nature on everyone else, no so anyone not following his ideal of the world can upset his grand design.



** GoodCannotComprehendEvil. Jesse is killed because it never occurred to her that Emperor Evulz would cheerfully kill his own wife and children for a shot at Jesse.

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** GoodCannotComprehendEvil. Jesse is killed because it never occurred to her him that Emperor Evulz would cheerfully kill his own wife and children for a shot at Jesse.



** Evulz sets up a {{Batman Gambit}} counting on Jesse sacrificing herself to save the village, but is caught off-guard when [[SociopathicHero Jesse]] selfishly decides to save herself instead.

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** Evulz sets up a {{Batman Gambit}} counting on Jesse sacrificing herself himself to save the village, but is caught off-guard when [[SociopathicHero Jesse]] selfishly decides to save herself himself instead.



** Emperor Evulz appears to have believed that Jesse wouldn't sacrifice herself, but it was actually a BatmanGambit specifically designed to make Jesse take the HeroicSacrifice route, so that the Emperor's next plan can continue without interference.

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** Emperor Evulz appears to have believed that Jesse wouldn't sacrifice herself, himself, but it was actually a BatmanGambit specifically designed to make Jesse take the HeroicSacrifice route, so that the Emperor's next plan can continue without interference.



** Evulz lives by [[BlueAndOrangeMorality an unusual moral code]] and is unable to comprehend more socially acceptable notions of good. The only reason Evulz thought it was moral was because it meant that Jesse was willing to take a risk "for once in her life".

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** Evulz lives by [[BlueAndOrangeMorality an unusual moral code]] and is unable to comprehend more socially acceptable notions of good. The only reason Evulz thought it was moral was because it meant that Jesse was willing to take a risk "for once in her his life".



** "We need to show how evil Emperor Evulz really is-let's make it so he doesn't understand/looks down on goodness

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** "We need to show how evil Emperor Evulz really is-let's make it so he doesn't understand/looks down on goodnessgoodness."



* '''Conversed''': "Yep, Emperor Evulz fell into the old 'assume the hero is just as evil as I am' trap.

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* '''Conversed''': "Yep, Emperor Evulz fell into the old 'assume the hero is just as evil as I am' trap.trap in this episode."
3rd Sep '15 2:29:08 PM plcthecd
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** [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers]] Or Pessimism Cannot Comprehend Optimism.

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** [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers]] SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers Or Pessimism Cannot Comprehend Optimism.
3rd Sep '15 2:28:41 PM plcthecd
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** A TrueNeutral / LawfulNeutral / ChaoticNeutral character fails to understand the motivation of a good character for helping others.

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** A TrueNeutral / LawfulNeutral / ChaoticNeutral character fails to understand the motivation of a good character for helping others. others, without getting any gain in return.


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** [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers]] Or Pessimism Cannot Comprehend Optimism.
21st Jul '15 8:01:27 AM Albert111
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** GoodCannotComprehendEvil. Jesse is killed because it never occurred to him that Emperor Evulz would cheerfully kill his own wife and children for a shot at Jesse.

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** GoodCannotComprehendEvil. Jesse is killed because it never occurred to him her that Emperor Evulz would cheerfully kill his own wife and children for a shot at Jesse.



** Evulz sets up a {{Batman Gambit}} counting on Jesse sacrificing himself to save the village, but is caught off-guard when [[SociopathicHero Jesse]] selfishly decides to save himself instead.

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** Evulz sets up a {{Batman Gambit}} counting on Jesse sacrificing himself herself to save the village, but is caught off-guard when [[SociopathicHero Jesse]] selfishly decides to save himself herself instead.



** [[IdealHero Jesse]] doesn't understand how [[AntiHero Harile]] can bring himself to ShootTheDog.

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** [[IdealHero Jesse]] doesn't understand how [[AntiHero Harile]] can bring himself herself to ShootTheDog.



** Emperor Evulz appears to have believed that Jesse wouldn't sacrifice himself, but it was actually a BatmanGambit specifically designed to make Jesse take the HeroicSacrifice route, so that the Emperor's next plan can continue without interference.

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** Emperor Evulz appears to have believed that Jesse wouldn't sacrifice himself, herself, but it was actually a BatmanGambit specifically designed to make Jesse take the HeroicSacrifice route, so that the Emperor's next plan can continue without interference.



** Evulz lives by [[BlueAndOrangeMorality an unusual moral code]] and is unable to comprehend more socially acceptable notions of good. The only reason Evulz thought it was moral was because it meant that Jesse was willing to take a risk "for once in his life".

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** Evulz lives by [[BlueAndOrangeMorality an unusual moral code]] and is unable to comprehend more socially acceptable notions of good. The only reason Evulz thought it was moral was because it meant that Jesse was willing to take a risk "for once in his her life".
21st Jul '15 7:57:23 AM Albert111
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** [[StrawVulcan Administrator E-val]] understands altruism, but doesn't see the action as internally consistent. Sure, Jesse helping makes sense, as does sacrificing herself in a decisive battle; he clearly views them as a great evil or threat when she is taking great efforts against him. [[BlueAndOrangeMorality But why would she throw away her life on something not related to his cause?]] If she believes in it, then she should see that [[FridgeLogic dying would do more harm to his causes than good.]] Under his views, she would be harming more people.

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** [[StrawVulcan Administrator E-val]] understands altruism, but doesn't see the action as internally consistent. Sure, Jesse helping makes sense, as does sacrificing herself in a decisive battle; he clearly views them as a great evil or threat when she is taking great efforts against him. [[BlueAndOrangeMorality But why would she throw away her life on something not related to his her cause?]] If she believes in it, then she should see that [[FridgeLogic dying would do more harm to his causes than good.]] Under his views, she would be harming more people.
21st Jul '15 7:56:34 AM Albert111
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** [[StrawVulcan Administrator E-val]] understands altruism, but doesn't see the action as internally consistent. Sure, Jesse helping makes sense, as does sacrificing himself in a decisive battle; he clearly views them as a great evil or threat when he is taking great efforts against him. [[BlueAndOrangeMorality But why would he throw away his life on something not related to his cause?]] If he believes in it, then he should see that [[FridgeLogic dying would do more harm to his causes than good.]] Under his views, he would be harming more people.

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** [[StrawVulcan Administrator E-val]] understands altruism, but doesn't see the action as internally consistent. Sure, Jesse helping makes sense, as does sacrificing himself herself in a decisive battle; he clearly views them as a great evil or threat when he she is taking great efforts against him. [[BlueAndOrangeMorality But why would he she throw away his her life on something not related to his cause?]] If he she believes in it, then he she should see that [[FridgeLogic dying would do more harm to his causes than good.]] Under his views, he she would be harming more people.
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