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** Claidheamh only tries to fight Sir Robert when both are at their peak; He refuses to fight an injured (or outnumbered) Sir Robert. Any other time is fair game, though.
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** Claidheamh only tries to fight Sir Robert when both are at their peak; He refuses to fight an injured (or outnumbered) Sir Robert. Any other time is fair game, though.though; Even when Claidheamh ''himself'' [[HypocriticalHumor is injured and/or outnumbered]].
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* '''Defied''': Claidheamh is either physically crippled or outright killed.
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* '''Defied''': '''Defied''':
** Claidheamh is either physically crippled or outrightkilled. killed.
** Sir Robert's party captures Claidheamh and puts him through all sorts of ColdBloodedTorture, mainly through [[BlackMagicianGirl Marcy]] inducing at least 120 decibels worth of {{Brown Note}}s and {{Mind Rap|e}}ing him (as well as allowing [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil normal rape for the]] {{Token Evil Teammate}}s) in order to thoroughly ensure that he'll KnowWhenToFoldEm next time.
** Claidheamh is either physically crippled or outright
** Sir Robert's party captures Claidheamh and puts him through all sorts of ColdBloodedTorture, mainly through [[BlackMagicianGirl Marcy]] inducing at least 120 decibels worth of {{Brown Note}}s and {{Mind Rap|e}}ing him (as well as allowing [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil normal rape for the]] {{Token Evil Teammate}}s) in order to thoroughly ensure that he'll KnowWhenToFoldEm next time.
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* '''Downplayed''': Claidheamh only tries to fight Sir Robert when both are at their peak; He refuses to fight an injured (or outnumbered) Sir Robert. Any other time is fair game, though.
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* '''Downplayed''': '''Downplayed''':
** Claidheamh only tries to fight Sir Robert when both are at their peak; He refuses to fight an injured (or outnumbered) Sir Robert. Any other time is fair game, though.
** Claidheamh only tries to fight Sir Robert when both are at their peak; He refuses to fight an injured (or outnumbered) Sir Robert. Any other time is fair game, though.
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** Claimheamh has destroyed his own resources, reputation and health to try to defeat Sir Robert, but he explicitly quits when the livelihood of ''others'' is at stake.
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* '''Straight''': In the ''Tales of Troperia'' series, mainstay [[TheRival rival]] [[TheBrute Claidheamh]] is ''constantly'' trying to defeat Sir Robert, often to no avail, and this often endangers everyone around him.
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* '''Straight''': In the ''Tales of Troperia'' ''JustForFun/TalesOfTroperia'' series, mainstay [[TheRival rival]] [[TheBrute Claidheamh]] is ''constantly'' trying to defeat Sir Robert, often to no avail, and this often endangers everyone around him.
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* '''Deconstructed''': Inherently, this trope is a deconstruction of {{Determinator}}, but as shown below:
** A rare optimistic variant; Claidheamh's constant determination manages to snag him a PyrrhicVictory; Even when he had lost many, many battles, Claidheamh will at least be known for the one time he finally won...
** A rare optimistic variant; Claidheamh's constant determination manages to snag him a PyrrhicVictory; Even when he had lost many, many battles, Claidheamh will at least be known for the one time he finally won...
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* '''Deconstructed''': Inherently, this trope is a deconstruction of {{Determinator}}, but as shown below:
** Ahere's a rare optimistic variant; variant: Claidheamh's constant determination manages to snag him a PyrrhicVictory; Even when he had lost many, many battles, Claidheamh will at least be known for the one time he finally won...
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* '''Implied''': There is a cautionary tale of a Claidheamh whose perseverance was too much to handle. How this is expanded upon is up for interpretation.
* '''Played for Laughs''': Claidheamh has {{silly reason|forwar}}s as to why he's so determined.
* '''Played for Drama''': Normally done as is.
* '''Played for Horror''': Claidheamh [[AnatomyAgony has gone through serious lengths of revenge (most of which is self harm) to the point that]] [[BodyHorror whatever is left of him is an honest to god miracle that it's still kicking]].
* '''Played for Laughs''': Claidheamh has {{silly reason|forwar}}s as to why he's so determined.
* '''Played for Drama''': Normally done as is.
* '''Played for Horror''': Claidheamh [[AnatomyAgony has gone through serious lengths of revenge (most of which is self harm) to the point that]] [[BodyHorror whatever is left of him is an honest to god miracle that it's still kicking]].
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'''Basic Trope''': Sometimes being the {{PlayingWith/Determinator}} is self-destructive and endangers others.
* '''Straight''': In the ''Tales of Troperia'' series, mainstay [[TheRival rival]] [[TheBrute Claidheamh]] is ''constantly'' trying to defeat Sir Robert, often to no avail, and this often endangers everyone around him.
* '''Exaggerated''': Claidheamh is just so utterly determined to kill Sir Robert that he destroys ''anything'' in his path just to kill his rival.
* '''Downplayed''': Claidheamh only tries to fight Sir Robert when both are at their peak; He refuses to fight an injured (or outnumbered) Sir Robert. Any other time is fair game, though.
* '''Justified''': Claidheamh hates Sir Robert so much that he doesn't care for anything else around him.
* '''Inverted''': Claidheamh has a severe lack of determination, and his cowardice benefits everyone around him.
* '''Subverted''': Claidheamh [[KnowWhenToFoldEm concedes]] when outnumbered.
* '''Double Subverted''': That is, until his BerserkButton is pressed. Then all caution goes to the wind.
* '''Parodied''': Claidheamh explicitly states that he wakes up extra early just to be Sir Robert's rival.
* '''Zig-Zagged''': Claidheamh's willingness to fight fluctuates.
* '''Averted''': Claidheamh has normal amounts of determination.
* '''Enforced''': A bug in the first game manages to bump Claidheamh's chance of appearing in random encounter battles to be a concerning amount, even though he often gets squashed in the end game. The Developer decided to make this a plot point.
* '''Lampshaded''': "God, has it ever occurred to you to just ''give up''!?"
* '''Invoked''': (From Lampshaded) "Nay, I choose tae keep fightin'. I care only for the death of me greatest enemy, Sir Robert!"
* '''Exploited''': Claidheamh uses his constant determination to consistently take VictoryByEndurance again and again, even though he's basically tearing the landscapes apart.
* '''Defied''': Claidheamh is either physically crippled or outright killed.
* '''Discussed''': "Claidheamh had gone so utterly mad that he's going to kill himself before he kills Sir Robert."
* '''Conversed''': "Good grief, this guy should at LEAST know when to quit!"
* '''Deconstructed''': Inherently, this trope is a deconstruction of {{Determinator}}, but as shown below:
** A rare optimistic variant; Claidheamh's constant determination manages to snag him a PyrrhicVictory; Even when he had lost many, many battles, Claidheamh will at least be known for the one time he finally won...
* '''Reconstructed''': ...Or, that's what he believes. Instead, he is known for being a complete maniac whose utter perseverance serves as a cautionary tale for those who believe that determination will eventually win over everything else.
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* '''Straight''': In the ''Tales of Troperia'' series, mainstay [[TheRival rival]] [[TheBrute Claidheamh]] is ''constantly'' trying to defeat Sir Robert, often to no avail, and this often endangers everyone around him.
* '''Exaggerated''': Claidheamh is just so utterly determined to kill Sir Robert that he destroys ''anything'' in his path just to kill his rival.
* '''Downplayed''': Claidheamh only tries to fight Sir Robert when both are at their peak; He refuses to fight an injured (or outnumbered) Sir Robert. Any other time is fair game, though.
* '''Justified''': Claidheamh hates Sir Robert so much that he doesn't care for anything else around him.
* '''Inverted''': Claidheamh has a severe lack of determination, and his cowardice benefits everyone around him.
* '''Subverted''': Claidheamh [[KnowWhenToFoldEm concedes]] when outnumbered.
* '''Double Subverted''': That is, until his BerserkButton is pressed. Then all caution goes to the wind.
* '''Parodied''': Claidheamh explicitly states that he wakes up extra early just to be Sir Robert's rival.
* '''Zig-Zagged''': Claidheamh's willingness to fight fluctuates.
* '''Averted''': Claidheamh has normal amounts of determination.
* '''Enforced''': A bug in the first game manages to bump Claidheamh's chance of appearing in random encounter battles to be a concerning amount, even though he often gets squashed in the end game. The Developer decided to make this a plot point.
* '''Lampshaded''': "God, has it ever occurred to you to just ''give up''!?"
* '''Invoked''': (From Lampshaded) "Nay, I choose tae keep fightin'. I care only for the death of me greatest enemy, Sir Robert!"
* '''Exploited''': Claidheamh uses his constant determination to consistently take VictoryByEndurance again and again, even though he's basically tearing the landscapes apart.
* '''Defied''': Claidheamh is either physically crippled or outright killed.
* '''Discussed''': "Claidheamh had gone so utterly mad that he's going to kill himself before he kills Sir Robert."
* '''Conversed''': "Good grief, this guy should at LEAST know when to quit!"
* '''Deconstructed''': Inherently, this trope is a deconstruction of {{Determinator}}, but as shown below:
** A rare optimistic variant; Claidheamh's constant determination manages to snag him a PyrrhicVictory; Even when he had lost many, many battles, Claidheamh will at least be known for the one time he finally won...
* '''Reconstructed''': ...Or, that's what he believes. Instead, he is known for being a complete maniac whose utter perseverance serves as a cautionary tale for those who believe that determination will eventually win over everything else.
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