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** This also sets an unsettling precedent: on the slim chance that later generations don’t simply die out, after being raised in a uncivilized and unforgiving world where language and comfort are non-existent, this basically means that mankind would eventually be reduced to little more than animals. Not only has most of humanity died, but their sentience would likely devolve as well.
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** This also sets an unsettling precedent: on the slim chance that later generations don’t simply die out, after being raised in a an uncivilized and unforgiving world where language and comfort are non-existent, this basically means that mankind would eventually be reduced to little more than animals. Not only has most of humanity died, but their sentience would likely devolve as well. Mankind would have no choice but to start over again from the '''Stone Age.'''
** Jane's stillborn child is an apt metaphor for the future of humanity after a nuclear war: diseased, deformed, unwanted and, ultimately, dead.
** Jane's stillborn child is an apt metaphor for the future of humanity after a nuclear war: diseased, deformed, unwanted and, ultimately, dead.
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* The biggest piece of NightmareFuel about this film: ''everything you see in it would really happen in the event of a nuclear war''. This movie is almost non-fiction with how heavily it [[ShownTheirWork did its homework]]. After all the nukes drop, there won't even be the violent glamour of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' or ''Film/MadMax''-style adventures in or exploration of a new post-apocalyptic world; we'll all just '''die'''. [[FateWorseThanDeath And it sure as hell wouldn't be a quick or painless death, either]].
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* The biggest piece of NightmareFuel about this film: ''everything you see in it would really happen in the event of a nuclear war''. This movie is almost non-fiction with how heavily it [[ShownTheirWork did its homework]]. After all the nukes drop, there won't even be the violent glamour of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' ''Franchise/{{Fallout}}'' or ''Film/MadMax''-style adventures in or exploration of a new post-apocalyptic world; we'll all just '''die'''. [[FateWorseThanDeath And it sure as hell wouldn't be a quick or painless death, either]].
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** This also sets an unsettling precedent: on the slim chance that later generations don’t simply die out, after being raised in a uncivilized and unforgiving world where language and comfort are nonexistent, this basically means that mankind would eventually be reduced to animals. Not only has most of humanity died, but their sentience would likely devolve as well.
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** This also sets an unsettling precedent: on the slim chance that later generations don’t simply die out, after being raised in a uncivilized and unforgiving world where language and comfort are nonexistent, non-existent, this basically means that mankind would eventually be reduced to little more than animals. Not only has most of humanity died, but their sentience would likely devolve as well.
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** The group of officials in the town hall last longer than most of the cast, but tensions begin to fray as it becomes evident that nobody is coming to rescue them and that the attack is far worse than they assumed, as well as the collapsed four floors of the town hall burying them in the bunker. A few weeks after the attack shows most of them walking around with visible facial hair, covered in dust and debris, arguing with each other as they attempt to figure out a way to help people. They all end up suffocating after using up all the oxygen underground, and are later [[YouAreTooLate dug to by a group of rescuers long after they're already dead]].
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** The group of officials in the town hall last longer than most of the cast, but tensions begin to fray as it becomes evident that nobody is coming to rescue them and that the attack is far worse than they assumed, assumed; as well as how [[DoomedProtagonist because of the collapsed four floors of the town hall burying them in the bunker.bunker, nobody will be able to rescue them in time]]. A few weeks after the attack shows most of them walking around with visible facial hair, covered in dust and debris, arguing with each other as they attempt to figure out a way to help people. They all end up suffocating after using up all the last of the oxygen underground, and are later [[YouAreTooLate dug to by a group of rescuers long after they're already dead]].
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* When Ruth has to give birth to her daughter, Jane, in a freezing cold barn and cut the umbilical cord with her teeth. Alone, and on Christmas Day.in the run-up to Christmas. That's something no mother should ''ever'' have to go through.
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-->'''Vicky Ireland''' [[note]]''Words and Pictures'' presenter in the first half of the 1980s[[/note]]: There was the skeleton of... a cat! A cat's... skeleton!
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-->'''Vicky Ireland''' [[note]]''Words and Pictures'' presenter in the first half of the 1980s[[/note]]: There was the skeleton of... a cat! A cat's... skeleton!
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** The group of officials in the town hall last longer than most of the cast, but tensions begin to fray as it becomes evident that nobody is coming to rescue them and that the attack is far worse than they assumed, as well as the collapsed four floors of the town hall burying them in the bunker. A few weeks after the attack shows most of them walking around with visible facial hair, covered in dust and debris, arguing with each other as they attempt to figure out a way to help people. They all end up suffocating after using up all the oxygen underground, and are later [[YouAreTooLate dug to by a group of rescuers long after they're already dead]].
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*** Also, when Ruth finally returns home after fleeing in the wake of her grandmother's death to look for Jimmy. Rats and dogs are eating the covered corpse of her grandmother. She opens the door to the basement shelter she left her mother and father in, only to find them long dead after they were murdered by looters for their supplies. We don't even see the corpses, we just hear the sound of hundreds of flies buzzing on their decomposing bodies, which is nightmare enough.
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*** Also, when Ruth finally returns home after fleeing in the wake of her grandmother's death to look for Jimmy. Rats and dogs are eating the covered corpse of her grandmother. She opens the door to the basement shelter she left her mother and father in, only to find them long dead after they were murdered by looters for their supplies. [[NothingIsScarier We don't even see the corpses, we corpses]]; you just hear the sound of hundreds of flies buzzing on their decomposing in and around her parents' rotting bodies, which is nightmare producing a mental image that's [[NauseaFuel horrifying]] and [[UndignifiedDeath undignified]] enough.
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** The group of officials in the town hall last longer than most of the cast, but tensions begin to fray as it becomes evident that nobody is coming to rescue them and that the attack is far worse than they assumed, as well as the collapsed four floors of the town hall burying them in the bunker. A few weeks after the attack shows most of them walking around with visible facial hair, covered in dust and debris, arguing with each other as they attempt to figure out a way to help people. They all end up suffocating to death and are later found by a group of rescuers.
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** The group of officials in the town hall last longer than most of the cast, but tensions begin to fray as it becomes evident that nobody is coming to rescue them and that the attack is far worse than they assumed, as well as the collapsed four floors of the town hall burying them in the bunker. A few weeks after the attack shows most of them walking around with visible facial hair, covered in dust and debris, arguing with each other as they attempt to figure out a way to help people. They all end up suffocating to death underground, and are later found [[YouAreTooLate dug to by a group of rescuers.rescuers long after they're already dead]].
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-->'''Doctor Talbot''': I don't know... a few slices of bread, some soup... [[DeliciousDaydream a lamb chop, a treacle tart]], a few pints of beer... ''[[PrecisionFStrike BASTARDS]]!!''
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-->'''Mr. Kemp''': I don't know... a few slices of bread, some soup... [[DeliciousDaydream a lamb chop, a treacle tart]], a few pints of beer... ''[[PrecisionFStrike BASTARDS]]!!''
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* The fate of most of the characters is horrifying, which is to be expected.
** The Kemp family's youngest son Michael is crushed to death under the collapse of Jimmy's aviary while crying in fear; Mrs. Kemp dies slowly and painfully from radiation sickness and fourth-degree burns, half-covered by a garbage bag after her husband leaves; Mr. Kemp dies alone in a graveyard from radiation poisoning after failing to get food, with only a bottle of Scotch for company that he can't even keep down. The last shot we see of him alive shows him sobbing as he presses buttons on Michael's game console to hear the tune it plays.
-->'''Mrs. Kemp''': Oh, I wish I were dead. [[FateWorseThanDeath I wish it were me]].
-->'''Mr. Kemp''': I wish I could swap places with him.
** The group of officials in the town hall last longer than most of the cast, but tensions begin to fray as it becomes evident that nobody is coming to rescue them and that the attack is far worse than they assumed, as well as the collapsed four floors of the town hall burying them in the bunker. A few weeks after the attack shows most of them walking around with visible facial hair, covered in dust and debris, arguing with each other as they attempt to figure out a way to help people. They all end up suffocating to death and are later found by a group of rescuers.
-->'''Clive Sutton''': What is that in terms of food, then, 500 calories?
-->'''Mr. Kemp''': I don't know... a few slices of bread, some soup... [[DeliciousDaydream a lamb chop, a treacle tart]], a few pints of beer... ''[[PrecisionFStrike BASTARDS]]!!''
** The Kemp family's youngest son Michael is crushed to death under the collapse of Jimmy's aviary while crying in fear; Mrs. Kemp dies slowly and painfully from radiation sickness and fourth-degree burns, half-covered by a garbage bag after her husband leaves; Mr. Kemp dies alone in a graveyard from radiation poisoning after failing to get food, with only a bottle of Scotch for company that he can't even keep down. The last shot we see of him alive shows him sobbing as he presses buttons on Michael's game console to hear the tune it plays.
-->'''Mrs. Kemp''': Oh, I wish I were dead. [[FateWorseThanDeath I wish it were me]].
-->'''Mr. Kemp''': I wish I could swap places with him.
** The group of officials in the town hall last longer than most of the cast, but tensions begin to fray as it becomes evident that nobody is coming to rescue them and that the attack is far worse than they assumed, as well as the collapsed four floors of the town hall burying them in the bunker. A few weeks after the attack shows most of them walking around with visible facial hair, covered in dust and debris, arguing with each other as they attempt to figure out a way to help people. They all end up suffocating to death and are later found by a group of rescuers.
-->'''Clive Sutton''': What is that in terms of food, then, 500 calories?
-->'''Mr. Kemp''': I don't know... a few slices of bread, some soup... [[DeliciousDaydream a lamb chop, a treacle tart]], a few pints of beer... ''[[PrecisionFStrike BASTARDS]]!!''
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* [[https://youtu.be/xYme0O60V28 The scene]] when you realize that all the education that the next generation is getting comes from old pre-school learning videos[[note]]From the BBC Schools series ''Words & Pictures'': the original version of the 1982 episode that appears in ''Threads'' can be [[https://youtu.be/H3tHJxS7qMQ?t=620 seen here.]][[/note]], with several children and an old woman seen in a dark, filthy room and huddled around a single small black-and-white TV/VCR showing one. The literacy rate will become extremely low, if not completely non-existent. The woman mouthing along to the words by heart is an especially tragic sight.
-->'''''Words & Pictures'' Narrator:''' There was the skeleton of... a cat! A cat's... skeleton!
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* [[https://youtu.be/xYme0O60V28 The scene]] when you realize that all the education that the next generation is getting comes from old pre-school learning videos[[note]]From the BBC Schools series ''Words & Pictures'': the original version of the 1982 1983 episode that appears in ''Threads'' can be [[https://youtu.be/H3tHJxS7qMQ?t=620 seen here.]][[/note]], with several children and an old woman seen in a dark, filthy room and huddled around a single small black-and-white TV/VCR showing one. The literacy rate will become extremely low, if not completely non-existent. The woman mouthing along to the words by heart is an especially tragic sight.
-->'''''Words & -->'''Vicky Ireland''' [[note]]''Words and Pictures'' Narrator:''' presenter in the first half of the 1980s[[/note]]: There was the skeleton of... a cat! A cat's... skeleton!
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** This also sets an unsettling precedent: on the slim chance that later generations don’t simply die out, after being raised in a uncivilized and unforgiving world where language and comfort are nonexistent, this basically means that mankind would eventually be reduced to animals. Not only has most of humanity died, but their sentience would likely devolve as well.
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[[caption-width-right:350: Trust this film when it demonstrates that [[SincerityMode this is the closest you'll]] '''''[[SincerityMode ever]]''''' [[SincerityMode want to come to nuclear war]].]]
[[caption-width-right:350: Trust this film when it demonstrates that [[SincerityMode this is the closest you'll]] '''''[[SincerityMode ever]]''''' [[SincerityMode want to come to nuclear war]].]]
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* The HANDEL system warning announcing a nuclear strike is inbound, practically the moment the movie takes off the gloves.
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* The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handel_(warning_system) HANDEL system warning Warning System]] announcing that a Soviet nuclear strike is inbound, inbound. After the prior build-up, this is practically the moment the movie takes off the gloves.
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* During the nuclear attack sequence, the panicked screaming of everyone on the streets in Sheffield is ''very'' haunting. Especially the screaming that can be heard during the shot of the mushroom cloud over Sheffield after nearby RAF Finningley is hit.
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* During the nuclear attack sequence, the panicked screaming of everyone on the streets in Sheffield is ''very'' haunting. Especially the screaming that can be heard during the shot of the mushroom cloud over Sheffield after nearby RAF Finningley Finningley[[note]]Now the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doncaster_Sheffield_Airport Doncaster Sheffield Airport.]][[/note]] is directly hit.
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** Apparently the artificial method they used to recreate the mushroom cloud - a giant smoke bomb set off near RAF Finningley - led to genuine panic on the streets. People thought an ''actual nuclear weapon'' had just been detonated. Could've been a highly disturbing bit of EnforcedMethodActing had they been rolling the film.
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** Apparently the artificial method they used to recreate the mushroom cloud - -- a giant smoke bomb set off near RAF Finningley - -- led to genuine panic on the streets. People thought an ''actual nuclear weapon'' had just been detonated. Could've been a highly disturbing bit of EnforcedMethodActing had they been rolling the film.
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** Actually, it's even worse than that. This film depicts a ''best''-case scenario, and it's been described increasingly as such by many critics and researchers. After all, there are still a few people left alive after thirteen years by the end of the film... chances are, the true outcome would be far, ''far'' worse.
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** Actually, it's even worse than that. This film depicts a ''best''-case scenario, and it's been described increasingly as such by many critics and researchers. After all, there are still a few people left alive after thirteen years by the end of the film... chances film. Chances are, the true outcome would be far, ''far'' worse.
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* The British Government's actual ''WesternAnimation/ProtectAndSurvive'' public information films that the film were used, as what the film presents is pretty much what we were expected to do if the five-minute warning went off. Two of the short films are available [[http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/films/1964to1979/filmpage_warnings.htm here]] and [[http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/films/1964to1979/filmpage_casualties.htm here]]; excerpts include "''If anyone dies while you are kept in your fallout room, move the body to another room in the house ... If you have had a body in the house for more than five days, and if it is safe to go outside, then you should bury the body for the time being in a trench, or cover it with earth, and mark the spot of the burial''". Terrifying in their own right, even more so if you consider the circumstances in which the government would have assented to broadcast these.
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** The first attack is an exo-airburst, releasing an {{EMP}} that knocks out a majority of power across Europe.
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** The third attack is arguably the worst. Sheffield is hit, primarily its economic targets, and considering that a chemical plant was a target, that's unfathomably scary.
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** The third attack is arguably the worst. Sheffield is hit, primarily its economic targets, targets. One shot, in particular, shows the Tinsley Viaduct and considering that the Blackburn Meadows Power Station, two major economic targets. Then a chemical plant was a target, that's unfathomably scary.
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* The amount exchanged between the attack? ''3000 megatons''. To put that into perspective, that's the amount of [[HiroshimaAsAUnitOfMeasure 200,000 Little Boys]], or 60 Tsar Bombas. And ''210 megatons'' were dropped on the UK in total. If that was only the UK, [[FridgeHorror how many megatons were the other countries hit with]]?
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* The amount exchanged between the attack? ''3000 megatons''.'''3000 megatons'''. To put that into perspective, that's the amount of [[HiroshimaAsAUnitOfMeasure 200,000 Little Boys]], or 60 Tsar Bombas. And ''210 megatons'' were dropped on the UK in total.total (%7 of the exchange). If that was only the UK, [[FridgeHorror how many megatons were the other countries hit with]]?
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''The Day After'''s ending, while a DownerEnding, had some instance of [[RayOfHopeEnding hope with the persistence of human empathy and kindness]]. In ''Threads''? None of that. Only showing the pure horror of the aftermath 13 years after the initial attack and [[DownerEnding snuffing out hope for humanity's survival]].
With its depictions of civilization after a nuclear attack, the fallout's impact even years after the initial attack, and the overall bleak nature of watching completely innocent people become victims to numerous ailments of nuclear war, this is basically ''NightmareFuel: TheMovie''...
With its depictions of civilization after a nuclear attack, the fallout's impact even years after the initial attack, and the overall bleak nature of watching completely innocent people become victims to numerous ailments of nuclear war, this is basically ''NightmareFuel: TheMovie''...
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''The Day After'''s ending, while a DownerEnding, had some instance of [[RayOfHopeEnding hope with the persistence of human empathy and kindness]]. In ''Threads''? None of that. Only showing the pure horror and cruelty of the aftermath 13 years after the initial attack and [[DownerEnding snuffing out all hope for humanity's survival]].
With its depictions of civilization after a nuclear attack, the fallout's impact even years after the initialattack, bombings, and the overall bleak nature of watching completely innocent people become victims to numerous ailments of nuclear war, this is basically often considered ''NightmareFuel: TheMovie''...
TheMovie'' for '''good''' reason.
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* The biggest piece of NightmareFuel about this film: ''it would really happen in the event of a nuclear war''. This movie is almost non-fiction with how heavily it [[ShownTheirWork did its homework]]. After all the nukes drop, there won't even be the violent glamour of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' or ''Film/MadMax''-style adventures in or exploration of a new post-apocalyptic world; we'll all just '''die'''. [[FateWorseThanDeath And it sure as hell wouldn't be a quick or painless death, either]].
** Actually, it's even ''worse'' than that. This film depicts a ''best''-case scenario, and it's been described increasingly as such by many critics and researchers. After all, there are still a few people left alive after thirteen years by the end of the film... chances are, the true outcome would be far, ''far'' worse.
** Actually, it's even ''worse'' than that. This film depicts a ''best''-case scenario, and it's been described increasingly as such by many critics and researchers. After all, there are still a few people left alive after thirteen years by the end of the film... chances are, the true outcome would be far, ''far'' worse.
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* The biggest piece of NightmareFuel about this film: ''it ''everything you see in it would really happen in the event of a nuclear war''. This movie is almost non-fiction with how heavily it [[ShownTheirWork did its homework]]. After all the nukes drop, there won't even be the violent glamour of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' or ''Film/MadMax''-style adventures in or exploration of a new post-apocalyptic world; we'll all just '''die'''. [[FateWorseThanDeath And it sure as hell wouldn't be a quick or painless death, either]].
** Actually, it's even''worse'' worse than that. This film depicts a ''best''-case scenario, and it's been described increasingly as such by many critics and researchers. After all, there are still a few people left alive after thirteen years by the end of the film... chances are, the true outcome would be far, ''far'' worse.
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* [[https://youtu.be/xYme0O60V28 The scene]] when you realize that all the education that the next generation is getting comes from old pre-school learning videos, videos[[note]]From the BBC Schools series ''Words & Pictures'': the original version of the 1982 episode that appears in ''Threads'' can be [[https://youtu.be/H3tHJxS7qMQ?t=620 seen here.]][[/note]], with several children and an old woman seen in a dark, filthy room and huddled around a single small black-and-white TV TV/VCR showing one. The literacy rate will become extremely low, if not completely non-existent. The woman mouthing along to the words by heart is an especially tragic sight.
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When you watch a movie that realistically depicts the decay of humanity after a nuclear attack, there's no doubt that there will be some nightmares. This is basically ''NightmareFuel: TheMovie''...
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''The Day After'''s ending, while a DownerEnding, had some instance of
With its depictions of civilization after a nuclear attack,
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* The biggest piece of NightmareFuel about this film: ''it would really happen in the event of a nuclear war.'' This movie is almost non-fiction with how heavily it [[ShownTheirWork shows its work.]] After all the nukes drop, there won't even be the violent glamor of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' or ''Film/MadMax''-style adventures in or exploration of a new post-apocalyptic world; we'll all just '''die'''. [[FateWorseThanDeath And it sure as hell wouldn't be a quick or painless death, either]].
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* The biggest piece of NightmareFuel about this film: ''it would really happen in the event of a nuclear war.'' war''. This movie is almost non-fiction with how heavily it [[ShownTheirWork shows did its work.]] homework]]. After all the nukes drop, there won't even be the violent glamor glamour of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' or ''Film/MadMax''-style adventures in or exploration of a new post-apocalyptic world; we'll all just '''die'''. [[FateWorseThanDeath And it sure as hell wouldn't be a quick or painless death, either]].
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* The HANDEL system warning announcing a nuclear strike is inbound.
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* The HANDEL system warning announcing a nuclear strike is inbound.inbound, practically the moment the movie takes off the gloves.
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* When Sheffield is hit we see humans on fire and a cat's face horrifically distorted.
* The deathly silence, when the flash of heat is sweeping through the city and we see everything melting and Mr. Kemp desperately trying to put out his burning wife. Then the blast hits and everything is destroyed.
* During the nuclear attack sequence, the panicked screaming of everyone on the streets in Sheffield is ''very'' haunting. Especially the shrieking that can be heard during the shot of the mushroom cloud over Sheffield after nearby RAF Finningley is hit.
* The deathly silence, when the flash of heat is sweeping through the city and we see everything melting and Mr. Kemp desperately trying to put out his burning wife. Then the blast hits and everything is destroyed.
* During the nuclear attack sequence, the panicked screaming of everyone on the streets in Sheffield is ''very'' haunting. Especially the shrieking that can be heard during the shot of the mushroom cloud over Sheffield after nearby RAF Finningley is hit.
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* The deathly silence, when the flash of heat is sweeping through the city and we see everything melting and Mr. Kemp desperately trying to put out his burning wife. Then the blast hits and everything is destroyed.
** The first attack is an exo-airburst, releasing an {{EMP}} that knocks out a majority of power across Europe.
** Then the second attack occurs. Warsaw missiles attack military targets, specifically RAF Finningley.
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** The [[HeroicBSoD absolutely dumbstruck reaction]] that Bob, Jimmy's friend, has to the explosion over RAF Finningley is haunting as well as absolutely tragic. [[DeerInTheHeadlights He can only stare in silent horror at the resulting mushroom cloud]], visibly broken by the realization that everything he'd most feared has come to pass.
-->'''Bob''': Jesus ''Christ'', they've done it. (''[[StillSucksThumb quietly, holding his thumb to his mouth in shock]]'') They've done it...!
-->'''Bob''': Jesus ''Christ'', they've done it. (''[[StillSucksThumb quietly, holding his thumb to his mouth in shock]]'') They've done it...!
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** The [[HeroicBSoD absolutely dumbstruck reaction]] that Bob, Jimmy's friend, has to the explosion over RAF Finningley is haunting as well as absolutely tragic. [[DeerInTheHeadlights He can only stare in silent horror at the resulting mushroom cloud]], visibly broken by the realization that everything he'd most feared has come to pass.
fruition.
-->'''Bob''': Jesus ''Christ'', they've done it. (''[[StillSucksThumb quietly, holding his thumb to his mouth in shock]]'') They've doneit...! it...
** The messages during the attack purely emphasize everyone going FromBadToWorse.
*** [[blue: 80 megatons fall on UK]]
*** [[blue: Blast casualties between 2 1/2 and 9 million]]
*** [[blue: Communications in chaos]]
*** [[blue: Command and control links failing]]
*** [[blue: Nuclear exchanges escalate]]
** Then the priority economic targets are revealed...
*** [[blue: Communications, Energy, Steel, Chemicals]]
** The third attack is arguably the worst. Sheffield is hit, primarily its economic targets, and considering that a chemical plant was a target, that's unfathomably scary.
* When Sheffield is hit we see humans on fire and a cat's face horrifically distorted.
* The deathly silence, when the flash of heat is sweeping through the city and we see everything melting and Mr. Kemp desperately trying to put out his burning wife. Then the blast hits and everything is destroyed.
** Beyond this point, that teleprinter clicking heard when text appears? ''Silent from here on out''.
** The overall attack.
-->'''Bob''': Jesus ''Christ'', they've done it. (''[[StillSucksThumb quietly, holding his thumb to his mouth in shock]]'') They've done
** The messages during the attack purely emphasize everyone going FromBadToWorse.
*** [[blue: 80 megatons fall on UK]]
*** [[blue: Blast casualties between 2 1/2 and 9 million]]
*** [[blue: Communications in chaos]]
*** [[blue: Command and control links failing]]
*** [[blue: Nuclear exchanges escalate]]
** Then the priority economic targets are revealed...
*** [[blue: Communications, Energy, Steel, Chemicals]]
** The third attack is arguably the worst. Sheffield is hit, primarily its economic targets, and considering that a chemical plant was a target, that's unfathomably scary.
* When Sheffield is hit we see humans on fire and a cat's face horrifically distorted.
* The deathly silence, when the flash of heat is sweeping through the city and we see everything melting and Mr. Kemp desperately trying to put out his burning wife. Then the blast hits and everything is destroyed.
** Beyond this point, that teleprinter clicking heard when text appears? ''Silent from here on out''.
** The overall attack.
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* When you realize that all the education that the next generation is getting comes from an old learning video. The literacy rate will become extremely low, if not flat-out non-existent.
* Because of the vast amounts of atmospheric smoke caused by nuclear detonations, the smoke blocks out the sun, causing temperatures to plummet. This ends up causing crops to not being harvested for several years. [[HopeSpot Fortunately, a harvester is found to still be of use]]. Unfortunately, since there is no way to get gas, the narrator says it is one of the last times modern machines will be used to harvest crops. After that, all crops have to be tended to by hand, or on the off-chance they can be found, using [[BreakOutTheMuseumPiece antique coal-fired traction engines]].
* Because of the vast amounts of atmospheric smoke caused by nuclear detonations, the smoke blocks out the sun, causing temperatures to plummet. This ends up causing crops to not being harvested for several years. [[HopeSpot Fortunately, a harvester is found to still be of use]]. Unfortunately, since there is no way to get gas, the narrator says it is one of the last times modern machines will be used to harvest crops. After that, all crops have to be tended to by hand, or on the off-chance they can be found, using [[BreakOutTheMuseumPiece antique coal-fired traction engines]].
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* When [[https://youtu.be/xYme0O60V28 The scene]] when you realize that all the education that the next generation is getting comes from an old pre-school learning video. videos, with several children and an old woman seen in a dark, filthy room and huddled around a single small black-and-white TV showing one. The literacy rate will become extremely low, if not flat-out non-existent.
completely non-existent. The woman mouthing along to the words by heart is an especially tragic sight.
-->'''''Words & Pictures'' Narrator:''' There was the skeleton of... a cat! A cat's... skeleton!
* Because of the vast amounts of atmospheric smoke caused by nuclear detonations, the smoke blocks out the sun, causing temperatures to plummet. This ends up causing crops to die, or if they survived, notbeing be harvested for several years. [[HopeSpot Fortunately, a harvester is found to still be of use]]. Unfortunately, since there is no way to get gas, petrol, the narrator says it is one of the last times modern machines will be used to harvest crops. After that, all crops have to be tended to by hand, or on the off-chance they can be found, using [[BreakOutTheMuseumPiece antique coal-fired traction engines]].
-->'''''Words & Pictures'' Narrator:''' There was the skeleton of... a cat! A cat's... skeleton!
* Because of the vast amounts of atmospheric smoke caused by nuclear detonations, the smoke blocks out the sun, causing temperatures to plummet. This ends up causing crops to die, or if they survived, not
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* The biggest piece of NightmareFuel about this film: ''it would really happen in the event of a nuclear war.'' This movie is almost non-fiction with how heavily it [[ShownTheirWork shows its work.]] After all the nukes drop, there won't even be the violent glamor of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' or ''Film/MadMax''-style adventures in a post-apocalyptic world; we'll all just '''die'''. [[FateWorseThanDeath And it sure as hell wouldn't be a quick or painless death, either]].
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* The biggest piece of NightmareFuel about this film: ''it would really happen in the event of a nuclear war.'' This movie is almost non-fiction with how heavily it [[ShownTheirWork shows its work.]] After all the nukes drop, there won't even be the violent glamor of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' or ''Film/MadMax''-style adventures in or exploration of a new post-apocalyptic world; we'll all just '''die'''. [[FateWorseThanDeath And it sure as hell wouldn't be a quick or painless death, either]].
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* There is a certain element of this [[SarcasmMode delightful]] piece of television which has been overlooked in its nightmare-enabling capabilities; it often traumatizes people who first saw it to this very day. Considering it was first broadcast in the mid 1980s [[note]]Aside from the original airing in 1984, it was shown in 1985 as part of a series of programmes marking the 40th anniversary of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[[/note]] and was then not broadcast again until 2003, that speaks volumes.
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* There is a certain element of this [[SarcasmMode delightful]] piece of television which has been overlooked in its nightmare-enabling capabilities; it often traumatizes people who first saw it to this very day. Considering it was first broadcast in the mid 1980s [[note]]Aside 1980s[[note]]Aside from the original airing in 1984, it was shown in 1985 as part of a series of programmes marking the 40th anniversary of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[[/note]] and was then not broadcast again until 2003, that speaks volumes.
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* When you realize that all the education that the next generation is getting comes from an old learning video. The literacy rate will become extremely low, if not flat out non-existent.
* Because of the vast amounts of atmospheric smoke caused by nuclear detonations, the smoke blocks out the sun, causing temperatures to plummet. This ends up causing crops to not being harvested for several years. Fortunately, a harvester is found to still be of use. Unfortunately, since there is no way to get gas, the narrator says it is one of the last times modern machines will be used to harvest crops. After that, all crops have to be tended to by hand.
* When the smoke eventually clears, it has caused severe damage to the ozone layer, and has greatly upped the chances of cataracts and cancer.
* Because of the vast amounts of atmospheric smoke caused by nuclear detonations, the smoke blocks out the sun, causing temperatures to plummet. This ends up causing crops to not being harvested for several years. Fortunately, a harvester is found to still be of use. Unfortunately, since there is no way to get gas, the narrator says it is one of the last times modern machines will be used to harvest crops. After that, all crops have to be tended to by hand.
* When the smoke eventually clears, it has caused severe damage to the ozone layer, and has greatly upped the chances of cataracts and cancer.
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* When you realize that all the education that the next generation is getting comes from an old learning video. The literacy rate will become extremely low, if not flat out flat-out non-existent.
* Because of the vast amounts of atmospheric smoke caused by nuclear detonations, the smoke blocks out the sun, causing temperatures to plummet. This ends up causing crops to not being harvested for several years. [[HopeSpot Fortunately, a harvester is found to still be ofuse.use]]. Unfortunately, since there is no way to get gas, the narrator says it is one of the last times modern machines will be used to harvest crops. After that, all crops have to be tended to by hand.hand, or on the off-chance they can be found, using [[BreakOutTheMuseumPiece antique coal-fired traction engines]].
* When the smoke eventually clears, it has caused severe damage to the ozone layer, and has greatly upped the chances of cataracts andcancer.cancer, [[EyeScream the former being seen on Ruth shortly before she dies]].
* Because of the vast amounts of atmospheric smoke caused by nuclear detonations, the smoke blocks out the sun, causing temperatures to plummet. This ends up causing crops to not being harvested for several years. [[HopeSpot Fortunately, a harvester is found to still be of
* When the smoke eventually clears, it has caused severe damage to the ozone layer, and has greatly upped the chances of cataracts and
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* As a result of the nationwide devastation, Britian's population severally falls from 60.80 million to 11 million.
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* As a result of the nationwide devastation, Britian's Britain's population severally falls from 60.80 million to 11 million.
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** What happened between Jane and the boy almost certainly wasn't an isolated incident. By this stage in the story, the oldest of the kids born into the post-nuclear world are reaching sexual maturity, but do not know how to cope with the resulting urges and, because of their near total lack of education and limited language skills, are unable to ask or give consent. So young boys are growing up thinking they can force themselves on girls; who, like, Jane then have to give birth to mutated babies. As more and more of the pre-war generation die off, there will be fewer people who are in a position to so much as try to educate these kids not to engage in this kind of behaviour. And, if any of the second generation of post-war babies which result survive into adolescence, the pattern will then repeat itself.
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** What happened between Jane and the boy almost certainly wasn't an isolated incident. By this stage in the story, the oldest of the kids born into the post-nuclear world are reaching sexual maturity, but do not know how to cope with the resulting urges and, because of their near total lack of education and limited language skills, are unable to ask or give consent. So young boys are growing up thinking they can force themselves on girls; who, like, Jane like Jane, then have to give birth to mutated babies. As more and more of the pre-war generation die off, there will be fewer people who are in a position to so much as try to educate these kids not to engage in this kind of behaviour. And, if any of the second generation of post-war babies which result survive into adolescence, the pattern will then repeat itself.
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* There is a certain element of this [[SarcasmMode delightful]] piece of television which has been overlooked in its nightmare-enabling capabilities; it often traumatizes people who first saw it to this very day. Considering it was first broadcast in the mid 1980s [[note]]Aside from the original airing in 1984, it was shown in 1985 as part of a series of programmes to mark the 40th anniversary of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[[/note]] and was then not broadcast again until 2003, that speaks volumes.
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* There is a certain element of this [[SarcasmMode delightful]] piece of television which has been overlooked in its nightmare-enabling capabilities; it often traumatizes people who first saw it to this very day. Considering it was first broadcast in the mid 1980s [[note]]Aside from the original airing in 1984, it was shown in 1985 as part of a series of programmes to mark marking the 40th anniversary of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[[/note]] and was then not broadcast again until 2003, that speaks volumes.
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* There is a certain element of this [[SarcasmMode delightful]] piece of television which has been overlooked in its nightmare-enabling capabilities; it often traumatizes people who first saw it to this very day. Considering it was first broadcast in 1984 and was then not broadcast again until 2003, that speaks volumes.
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* There is a certain element of this [[SarcasmMode delightful]] piece of television which has been overlooked in its nightmare-enabling capabilities; it often traumatizes people who first saw it to this very day. Considering it was first broadcast in 1984 the mid 1980s [[note]]Aside from the original airing in 1984, it was shown in 1985 as part of a series of programmes to mark the 40th anniversary of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[[/note]] and was then not broadcast again until 2003, that speaks volumes.
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-->'''Bob''': Jesus ''Christ'', they've done it. (''[[StillSucksThumb quietly, holding his thumb to his mouth in shock]]'') They've done it...
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-->'''Bob''': Jesus ''Christ'', they've done it. (''[[StillSucksThumb quietly, holding his thumb to his mouth in shock]]'') They've done it... !
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* Because there is no way to properly dispose of bodies, millions of corpses are left to rot out in the open, which brings rats spreading disease.
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* Because there is no way to properly dispose of bodies, millions of corpses are left to rot out in the open, which brings rats spreading disease.diseases such as Cholera and the Bubonic Plague.
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* The biggest piece of NightmareFuel about this film: ''it would really happen in the event of a nuclear war.'' This movie is almost non-fiction with how heavily it [[ShownTheirWork shows its work.]] After all the nukes drop, there won't even be the violent glamor of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' or ''Film/MadMax''-style adventures in a post-apocalyptic world; we'll all just '''die'''. [[FateWorseThanDeath And it sure as hell wouldn't be a quick death, either]].
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* The biggest piece of NightmareFuel about this film: ''it would really happen in the event of a nuclear war.'' This movie is almost non-fiction with how heavily it [[ShownTheirWork shows its work.]] After all the nukes drop, there won't even be the violent glamor of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' or ''Film/MadMax''-style adventures in a post-apocalyptic world; we'll all just '''die'''. [[FateWorseThanDeath And it sure as hell wouldn't be a quick or painless death, either]].
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* The biggest piece of NightmareFuel about this film: ''it would really happen in the event of a nuclear war.'' This movie is almost non-fiction with how heavily it [[ShownTheirWork shows its work.]] After all the nukes drop, there won't even be the violent glamor of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' or ''Film/MadMax'' style adventures; we'll all just ''die''. ''[[FateWorseThanDeath And it sure as hell wouldn't be a quick death, either]]''.
** Actually, it's even ''worse'' than that. This film depicts a ''best''-case scenario, and it's been described increasingly as such by many critics and researchers. After all, there are still a few people left alive after thirteen years by the end of the film... chances are, the true outcome would be ''far, far'' worse.
** Actually, it's even ''worse'' than that. This film depicts a ''best''-case scenario, and it's been described increasingly as such by many critics and researchers. After all, there are still a few people left alive after thirteen years by the end of the film... chances are, the true outcome would be ''far, far'' worse.
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* The biggest piece of NightmareFuel about this film: ''it would really happen in the event of a nuclear war.'' This movie is almost non-fiction with how heavily it [[ShownTheirWork shows its work.]] After all the nukes drop, there won't even be the violent glamor of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' or ''Film/MadMax'' style adventures; ''Film/MadMax''-style adventures in a post-apocalyptic world; we'll all just ''die''. ''[[FateWorseThanDeath '''die'''. [[FateWorseThanDeath And it sure as hell wouldn't be a quick death, either]]''.
either]].
** Actually, it's even ''worse'' than that. This film depicts a ''best''-case scenario, and it's been described increasingly as such by many critics and researchers. After all, there are still a few people left alive after thirteen years by the end of the film... chances are, the true outcome would be''far, far'' far, ''far'' worse.
** Actually, it's even ''worse'' than that. This film depicts a ''best''-case scenario, and it's been described increasingly as such by many critics and researchers. After all, there are still a few people left alive after thirteen years by the end of the film... chances are, the true outcome would be
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* For many Britons (especially those who live in/near Sheffield), this film hit close to home and it hit hard. Those OopNorth are so used to seeing [[BigApplesauce New York]]/[[HollywoodCalifornia Los Angeles]]/[[TokyoIsTheCenterOfTheUniverse Tokyo]]/[[BritainIsOnlyLondon London]] blown up that it doesn't affect them, but when [[AliensInCardiff it's a much smaller city in Yorkshire]]...
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* For many Britons (especially -- especially those who live in/near Sheffield), in or near Sheffield -- this film hit close to home and it hit hard. ''hard''. Those OopNorth are so used to seeing places like [[BigApplesauce New York]]/[[HollywoodCalifornia York]], [[HollywoodCalifornia Los Angeles]]/[[TokyoIsTheCenterOfTheUniverse Tokyo]]/[[BritainIsOnlyLondon Angeles]], [[TokyoIsTheCenterOfTheUniverse Tokyo]] or [[BritainIsOnlyLondon London]] blown up in the movies that it doesn't affect them, but when [[AliensInCardiff it's a much smaller city in Yorkshire]]...
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** The camera doesn't hold on most things in the hospital for too long, but for a British TV movie released in 1984 - the same year the Video Recordings Act that banned VideoNasties was passed - we see some [[MeatgrinderSurgery absolutely horrendous things]], including pus-soaked bandages from survivors with infected wounds, people having water salted with SAXA table salt [[WorstAid applied to wounds in lieu of antibiotics]], people having shards of glass removed from their flesh with tweezers in close-up, and perhaps worst of all, a man screaming ''very believably'' as one of his limbs is hacked off. '''[[SkipTheAnaesthetic Without any anaesthetic]]'''. The way the scene is edited in such a disorienting way leaves you wondering what the hell else is happening in that room. NothingIsScarier indeed.
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** The camera doesn't hold on most things in the hospital for too long, but for a British TV movie released in 1984 - -- the same year the Video Recordings Act that banned VideoNasties was passed - -- we see some [[MeatgrinderSurgery absolutely horrendous things]], including pus-soaked bandages from survivors with infected wounds, people having water salted with SAXA table salt [[WorstAid applied to wounds in lieu of antibiotics]], people having shards of glass removed from their flesh with tweezers in close-up, and perhaps worst of all, a man screaming ''very believably'' as one of his limbs is hacked off. '''[[SkipTheAnaesthetic Without any anaesthetic]]'''. The way the scene is edited in such a disorienting way leaves you wondering what the hell else is happening in that room. NothingIsScarier indeed.
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** Ruth's death itself. Poor, poor Ruth has aged fifty years in thirteen, and has been blinded by radiation. The cataracts on her eyes are disturbingly realistic for a low budget made-for-TV movie from the 80s.
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** Ruth's death itself. Poor, poor Ruth has aged fifty years in thirteen, and has been [[EyeScream blinded by radiation.radiation]]. The cataracts on her eyes are disturbingly realistic for a low budget made-for-TV movie from the 80s.
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** What happened between Jane and the boy almost certainly wasn't an isolated incident. By this stage in the story, the oldest of the kids born into the post-nuclear world are reaching sexual maturity, but do not know how to cope with the resulting urges and, because of their near total lack of education and limited language skills, are unable to ask or give consent. So young boys are growing up thinking they can force themselves on girls, who like Jane then have to give birth to deformed babies. As more and more of the pre-war generation die off, there will be fewer people who are in a position to so much as try to educate these kids not to engage in this kind of behaviour. And, if any of the second generation of post-war babies which result survive into adolescence, the pattern will then repeat itself.
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** What happened between Jane and the boy almost certainly wasn't an isolated incident. By this stage in the story, the oldest of the kids born into the post-nuclear world are reaching sexual maturity, but do not know how to cope with the resulting urges and, because of their near total lack of education and limited language skills, are unable to ask or give consent. So young boys are growing up thinking they can force themselves on girls, who like girls; who, like, Jane then have to give birth to deformed mutated babies. As more and more of the pre-war generation die off, there will be fewer people who are in a position to so much as try to educate these kids not to engage in this kind of behaviour. And, if any of the second generation of post-war babies which result survive into adolescence, the pattern will then repeat itself.