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** Even worse is that on the commentary, is that Peter Jackson said that the majority of the extended edition had to be cut due to time, but this one had to be cut due to censors. Let me repeat, this film, which would have been bloody already, saw this one little scene as too extreme.

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** Even worse is that on the commentary, is that Peter Jackson said that the majority of the extended edition had to be cut due to time, but this one had to be cut due to censors. Let me us repeat, this film, which would have been bloody already, saw this one little scene as too extreme.
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* Legolas stabbing Bolg in the hand in the extended edition only for Bolg to look at the knife embedded in his hand, [[Main/SlasherSmile then smile sadisticly]] before swiping it at Legolas's face. Oh yeah and you see the blood drip from Bolg's hand.

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* Legolas stabbing Bolg in the hand in the extended edition only for Bolg to look at the knife embedded in his hand, [[Main/SlasherSmile then smile sadisticly]] sadistically]] before swiping it at Legolas's face. Oh yeah and you see the blood drip from Bolg's hand.
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** Everything, from their appearance to their movement, just feels ''[[UncannyValley wrong]]''. Specific moments include: when they fight Saruman and Elrond, they move [[TeleportSpam so fast]] that it's a miracle those two could keep up; one is thrown off the high tower during the fight, then there's a rush of movement and suddenly ''it's climbing the rockface, completely against gravity and moving on all fours like it's feral''; later, one is stabbed and falls spasming, repeatedly blinking in-and-out of sight like an incomplete manifestation, i.e. something that shouldn't exist in Middle-Earth.

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** Everything, from their appearance to their movement, just feels ''[[UncannyValley wrong]]''.''wrong''. Specific moments include: when they fight Saruman and Elrond, they move [[TeleportSpam so fast]] that it's a miracle those two could keep up; one is thrown off the high tower during the fight, then there's a rush of movement and suddenly ''it's climbing the rockface, completely against gravity and moving on all fours like it's feral''; later, one is stabbed and falls spasming, repeatedly blinking in-and-out of sight like an incomplete manifestation, i.e. something that shouldn't exist in Middle-Earth.
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Dwarves don't turn into literal dragons in Tolkien's work. Figuratively though...


** Those familiar with Norse mythology (which were a key inspiration in Tolkien's writings) were probably reminded of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fafnir Fafnir]] and the Rhinegold at this point. If Thorin hadn't shaken off the corruption, his fate may have been far worse than mere gold sickness. Was that Smaug swimming beneath the gold, or a future vision of ''himself''?

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** Those familiar with Norse mythology (which were a key inspiration in Tolkien's writings) were probably reminded of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fafnir Fafnir]] and the Rhinegold at this point. If Thorin hadn't shaken off the corruption, his fate may have been far worse than mere gold sickness. Was that He was becoming more and more a new Smaug swimming beneath the gold, or a future vision of ''himself''?in everything but form.



* Seeing Azog's body floating beneath the ice under Thorin's feet is just creepy. He then proceeds to stab Thorin through the foot with his massive sword as Thorin howls in pain.

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* Seeing Azog's body floating beneath the ice under Thorin's feet is just creepy. He then proceeds to stab Thorin through the foot with his massive sword as Thorin howls in pain.!



* You ever step on a nail or Lego brick? Then you probably winced at the shot of Azog's sword piercing through Thorin's foot from under the ice. YEESH!

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* You ever step on a nail or Lego brick? Then you probably winced at the shot of Azog's sword piercing through Thorin's foot from under the ice. YEESH!
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** Bard's final attempt to kill Smaug. He ''knows'' he's only got one shot left. Even if this works, he and Bain could likely die anyway, and all he can do is keep his son from looking at their approaching doom. AdultFear, indeed. [[KickTheDog Smaug even taunts him about it]], which makes it all the worse.

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** Bard's final attempt to kill Smaug. He ''knows'' he's only got one shot left. Even if this works, he and Bain could likely die anyway, and all he can do is keep his son from looking at their approaching doom. AdultFear, indeed. [[KickTheDog Smaug even taunts him about it]], which makes it all the worse.



** A significant chunk of the film focuses on AdultFear, and doesn't spare a single race from it. Bard is in a constant state of fear and panic for his three children, Thranduil can be seen visibly losing his calm at the prospect of Legolas being on the battlefield, and Thorin, Bilbo, and Dwalin are faced with the horror of watching Fíli's impalement and not seeing or even learning (in Thorin's case) of Kíli's death. The dead bodies of several children are shown in Dale as well.

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** A significant chunk of the film focuses on AdultFear, parental worries, and doesn't spare a single race from it. Bard is in a constant state of fear and panic for his three children, Thranduil can be seen visibly losing his calm at the prospect of Legolas being on the battlefield, and Thorin, Bilbo, and Dwalin are faced with the horror of watching Fíli's impalement and not seeing or even learning (in Thorin's case) of Kíli's death. The dead bodies of several children are shown in Dale as well.
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** [[AdultFear "Is that your child?]] [[AndYourLittleDogToo You cannot save him from the fire!]] [[PunctuatedForEmphasis He. Will.]] '''[[WouldHurtAChild BURN!]]"'''

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** [[AdultFear "Is that your child?]] child? [[AndYourLittleDogToo You cannot save him from the fire!]] [[PunctuatedForEmphasis He. Will.]] '''[[WouldHurtAChild BURN!]]"'''
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** His HeelRealization of how he's been consumed by his greed is accompanied by ''[[SarcasmMode lovely]]'' hallucinations of Smaug's form slithering underneath the molten gold, before proceeding to swallow him whole. The latter in particular is heavily reminiscent of a black hole and its [[FauxSymbolism event]] [[MoralEventHorizon horizon]]...

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** His HeelRealization of how he's been consumed by his greed is accompanied by ''[[SarcasmMode lovely]]'' hallucinations of Smaug's form slithering underneath the molten gold, before proceeding the sheer mass proceeds to swallow him whole. The latter in particular is heavily reminiscent of a black hole and its [[FauxSymbolism [[RuleOfSymbolism event]] [[MoralEventHorizon horizon]]...
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The page itself literally goes on to explain what was in there that caused it to be rated R


* The extended cut is rated R for "some violence" which makes you wonder... ''[[Main/FridgeHorror just what the hell could be in there that necessitated the rating upgrade?]]''
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* Thorin's increasingly unhinged behavior as he becomes consumed by dragon sickness. At one point, when he's ranting and raving in front of Bilbo, his voice starts shifting until only Smaug's echoing snarl is audible. Not to mention the MeaningfulEcho of Smaug's refusal to part with a single coin of the hoard.

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* Thorin's increasingly unhinged behavior behaviour as he becomes consumed by dragon sickness. At one point, when he's ranting and raving in front of Bilbo, his voice starts shifting until only Smaug's echoing snarl is audible. Not to mention the MeaningfulEcho of Smaug's refusal to part with a single coin of the hoard.



* The scene where Sauron whispers the poem of the One and the Nazgûl came one after another, surrounding Galadriel. And these aren't the hooded Dark Riders from the previous movies, oh no. They're all [[http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wPrGj3tfew4/maxresdefault.jpg transparent]] and clad in ''VideoGame/DarkSouls''-esque armor. To emphasize this is the look on Galadriel's face as she is initially surrounded; either that's outright fear or her "merely" being shaken, but regardless, her losing her composure at all shows just how dangerous and terrifying the situation is, and comes close to being a BreakTheBadass moment.

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* The scene where Sauron whispers the poem of the One and the Nazgûl came one after another, surrounding Galadriel. And these aren't the hooded Dark Riders from the previous movies, oh no. They're all [[http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wPrGj3tfew4/maxresdefault.jpg transparent]] and clad in ''VideoGame/DarkSouls''-esque armor.armour. To emphasize this is the look on Galadriel's face as she is initially surrounded; either that's outright fear or her "merely" being shaken, but regardless, her losing her composure at all shows just how dangerous and terrifying the situation is, and comes close to being a BreakTheBadass moment.



* Galadriel's "Dark Queen" form when she fights Sauron, which looks a lot like [[Literature/TheRing Samara/Sadako]]. It doesn't help that she just jumps up from the ground into center frame within seconds.

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* Galadriel's "Dark Queen" form when she fights Sauron, which looks a lot like [[Literature/TheRing Samara/Sadako]]. It doesn't help that she just jumps up from the ground into center centre frame within seconds.
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** Almost every scene of Thorin is underscored by the creeping strings that were used for Smaug in the previous film. He made be dead, but the fire drake lives on in Thorin and affects a ''huge'' amount of the story until Thorin eventually discards his crown.

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** Almost every scene of Thorin is underscored by the creeping strings that were used for Smaug in the previous film. He made may be dead, but the fire drake lives on in Thorin and affects a ''huge'' amount of the story until Thorin eventually discards his crown.



** Even more terrifying? How Sauron seems to summon the Nine from his armoured hands. It shows how they're no longer the proud kings they once were, instead teleport-spamming ghostly servants of Sauron that would pretty much fell the entire Company, if not all the warriors in Gondor, within ''seconds.''

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** Even more terrifying? How Sauron seems to summon the Nine from his armoured hands. It shows how they're no longer the proud kings they once were, instead teleport-spamming ghostly servants of Sauron that would pretty much fell the entire Company, Company if not all the warriors in Gondor, within ''seconds.''



* Galadriel's "Dark Queen" form when she fights Sauron, which looks a lot like [[Literature/TheRing Samara/Sadako]]. Doesn't help that she just jumps up from the ground into center frame within seconds.

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* Galadriel's "Dark Queen" form when she fights Sauron, which looks a lot like [[Literature/TheRing Samara/Sadako]]. Doesn't It doesn't help that she just jumps up from the ground into center frame within seconds.
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** Almost every scene of Thorin is underscored by the creeping strings that were used for Smaug in the previous film. He made be dead, but the fire drake lives on in Thorin and affects a ''huge'' amount of the story until Thorin eventually discards his crown.


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* Thorin's increasingly unhinged behavior as he becomes consumed by dragon sickness. At one point, when he's ranting and raving in front of Bilbo, his voice starts shifting until only [[spoiler:Smaug's echoing snarl]] is audible. Not to mention the MeaningfulEcho of [[spoiler:Smaug's refusal to part with a single coin of the hoard]].
** [[spoiler:His HeelRealization of how he's been consumed by his greed]] is accompanied by ''[[SarcasmMode lovely]]'' hallucinations of Smaug's form slithering underneath the molten gold, before proceeding to swallow him whole. The latter in particular is heavily reminiscent of a black hole and its [[FauxSymbolism event]] [[MoralEventHorizon horizon]]...
** Those familiar with Norse mythology (which were a key inspiration in Tolkien's writings) were probably reminded of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fafnir Fafnir]] and the Rhinegold at this point. If Thorin hadn't [[spoiler:shaken off the corruption]], his fate may have been far worse than mere gold sickness. Was that Smaug swimming beneath the gold, or a future vision of ''himself''?

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* Thorin's increasingly unhinged behavior as he becomes consumed by dragon sickness. At one point, when he's ranting and raving in front of Bilbo, his voice starts shifting until only [[spoiler:Smaug's Smaug's echoing snarl]] snarl is audible. Not to mention the MeaningfulEcho of [[spoiler:Smaug's Smaug's refusal to part with a single coin of the hoard]].
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** [[spoiler:His His HeelRealization of how he's been consumed by his greed]] greed is accompanied by ''[[SarcasmMode lovely]]'' hallucinations of Smaug's form slithering underneath the molten gold, before proceeding to swallow him whole. The latter in particular is heavily reminiscent of a black hole and its [[FauxSymbolism event]] [[MoralEventHorizon horizon]]...
** Those familiar with Norse mythology (which were a key inspiration in Tolkien's writings) were probably reminded of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fafnir Fafnir]] and the Rhinegold at this point. If Thorin hadn't [[spoiler:shaken shaken off the corruption]], corruption, his fate may have been far worse than mere gold sickness. Was that Smaug swimming beneath the gold, or a future vision of ''himself''?



* The scene where [[spoiler: Sauron whispers the poem of the One and the Nazgûl came one after another, surrounding Galadriel. And these aren't the hooded Dark Riders from the previous movies, oh no. They're all [[http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wPrGj3tfew4/maxresdefault.jpg transparent]] and clad in ''VideoGame/DarkSouls''-esque armor. To emphasize this is the look on Galadriel's face as she is initially surrounded; either that's outright fear or her "merely" being shaken, but regardless, her losing her composure at all shows just how dangerous and terrifying the situation is, and comes close to being a BreakTheBadass moment.]]
** Even more terrifying? [[spoiler: How Sauron seems to summon the Nine from his armoured hands. It shows how they're no longer the proud kings they once were, instead teleport-spamming ghostly servants of Sauron that would pretty much fell the entire Company, if not all the warriors in Gondor, within ''seconds.'']]
** [[spoiler: Everything, from their appearance to their movement, just feels ''[[UncannyValley wrong]]''. Specific moments include: when they fight Saruman and Elrond, they move [[TeleportSpam so fast]] that it's a miracle those two could keep up; one is thrown off the high tower during the fight, then there's a rush of movement and suddenly ''it's climbing the rockface, completely against gravity and moving on all fours like it's feral''; later, one is stabbed and falls spasming, repeatedly blinking in-and-out of sight like an incomplete manifestation, i.e. something that shouldn't exist in Middle-Earth.]]

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* The scene where [[spoiler: Sauron whispers the poem of the One and the Nazgûl came one after another, surrounding Galadriel. And these aren't the hooded Dark Riders from the previous movies, oh no. They're all [[http://i.ytimg.com/vi/wPrGj3tfew4/maxresdefault.jpg transparent]] and clad in ''VideoGame/DarkSouls''-esque armor. To emphasize this is the look on Galadriel's face as she is initially surrounded; either that's outright fear or her "merely" being shaken, but regardless, her losing her composure at all shows just how dangerous and terrifying the situation is, and comes close to being a BreakTheBadass moment.]]
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** Even more terrifying? [[spoiler: How Sauron seems to summon the Nine from his armoured hands. It shows how they're no longer the proud kings they once were, instead teleport-spamming ghostly servants of Sauron that would pretty much fell the entire Company, if not all the warriors in Gondor, within ''seconds.'']]
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** [[spoiler: Everything, from their appearance to their movement, just feels ''[[UncannyValley wrong]]''. Specific moments include: when they fight Saruman and Elrond, they move [[TeleportSpam so fast]] that it's a miracle those two could keep up; one is thrown off the high tower during the fight, then there's a rush of movement and suddenly ''it's climbing the rockface, completely against gravity and moving on all fours like it's feral''; later, one is stabbed and falls spasming, repeatedly blinking in-and-out of sight like an incomplete manifestation, i.e. something that shouldn't exist in Middle-Earth.]]



* [[spoiler: The deaths of both Fíli and Kíli. Fíli is surrounded by Orcs while drums and lights come down the passages, and then Azog impales him from behind after revealing him to Thorin. Kíli is stabbed by Bolg right in front of Tauriel. To see the two most human and sympathetic of the Dwarf party brutally killed off is both horrifying and saddening.]]
** And then consider the boys' ages. They're confirmed to be the youngest members of the Company and it's never made clear if Fíli and Kíli are even of age in dwarven society. Thorin, Dwalin, and Bilbo are forced to watch a young boy, who they all love and care deeply for, [[spoiler: be stabbed through the chest with no one to comfort or hold him. And then Kíli also dies an equally terrible death without any of them being there for him, either.]]
** A significant chunk of the film focuses on AdultFear, and doesn't spare a single race from it. Bard is in a constant state of fear and panic for his three children, Thranduil can be seen visibly losing his calm at the prospect of Legolas being on the battlefield, and Thorin, Bilbo, and Dwalin are faced with the horror of watching [[spoiler: Fíli's impalement and not seeing or even learning (in Thorin's case) of Kíli's death]]. The dead bodies of several children are shown in Dale as well.
* [[spoiler: Seeing Azog's body floating beneath the ice under Thorin's feet is just creepy. He then proceeds to stab Thorin through the foot with his massive sword as Thorin howls in pain.]]
* Bolg's brutal beatdown of [[spoiler: Tauriel during the Battle of the Five Armies]] is difficult to watch. Every one of his punches is like a sledgehammer, and would probably crush the skull of any Mortal Man like an egg. [[spoiler: At one point, he punches her out of frame so hard that you're sure she must be dead. To see this lovely Elven maiden being tossed around like that is very unsettling.]]

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* [[spoiler: The deaths of both Fíli and Kíli. Fíli is surrounded by Orcs while drums and lights come down the passages, and then Azog impales him from behind after revealing him to Thorin. Kíli is stabbed by Bolg right in front of Tauriel. To see the two most human and sympathetic of the Dwarf party brutally killed off is both horrifying and saddening.]]
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** And then consider the boys' ages. They're confirmed to be the youngest members of the Company and it's never made clear if Fíli and Kíli are even of age in dwarven society. Thorin, Dwalin, and Bilbo are forced to watch a young boy, who they all love and care deeply for, [[spoiler: be stabbed through the chest with no one to comfort or hold him. And then Kíli also dies an equally terrible death without any of them being there for him, either.]]
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** A significant chunk of the film focuses on AdultFear, and doesn't spare a single race from it. Bard is in a constant state of fear and panic for his three children, Thranduil can be seen visibly losing his calm at the prospect of Legolas being on the battlefield, and Thorin, Bilbo, and Dwalin are faced with the horror of watching [[spoiler: Fíli's impalement and not seeing or even learning (in Thorin's case) of Kíli's death]].death. The dead bodies of several children are shown in Dale as well.
* [[spoiler: Seeing Azog's body floating beneath the ice under Thorin's feet is just creepy. He then proceeds to stab Thorin through the foot with his massive sword as Thorin howls in pain.]]
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* Bolg's brutal beatdown of [[spoiler: Tauriel during the Battle of the Five Armies]] Armies is difficult to watch. Every one of his punches is like a sledgehammer, and would probably crush the skull of any Mortal Man like an egg. [[spoiler: At one point, he punches her out of frame so hard that you're sure she must be dead. To see this lovely Elven maiden being tossed around like that is very unsettling.]]
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** In the extended edition, we see an orc (and later, Bofur) ride one, steering it by jerking on the chains attached to the eyes. Heaven knows what pain that thing must be going through every time that chain is yanked.

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* Galadriel's "Dark Queen" form when she fights Sauron, which looks a lot like [[Literature/TheRing Samara/Sadako]]. Doesn't help that she just jumps up from the ground into center frame within seconds.



* Galadriel's "Dark Queen" form when she fights Sauron, which looks a lot like [[Literature/TheRing Samara/Sadako]]. Doesn't help that she just jumps up from the ground into center frame within seconds.



* The extended cut is going to be rated R for "some violence" which makes you wonder... ''[[Main/FridgeHorror just what the hell could be in there that necessitated the rating upgrade?]]''
* Legolas stabbing Bolg in the hand in the extended edition only for Bolg to look at the knife embedded in his hand, [[Main/SlasherSmile then smile sadisticly]] before swiping it at Legolas's face. Oh yeah and you see the blood drip from Bolg's hand. [[Main/BlatantLies Sweet dreams.]]

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* The extended cut is going to be rated R for "some violence" which makes you wonder... ''[[Main/FridgeHorror just what the hell could be in there that necessitated the rating upgrade?]]''
* Legolas stabbing Bolg in the hand in the extended edition only for Bolg to look at the knife embedded in his hand, [[Main/SlasherSmile then smile sadisticly]] before swiping it at Legolas's face. Oh yeah and you see the blood drip from Bolg's hand. [[Main/BlatantLies Sweet dreams.]]



* Azog's ogres. They're halfway between the orcs and trolls in size, and [[Main/LightningBruiser are surprisingly agile and strong]]. One comes close to killing Bard's children during the orcs' attack on Dale. In the extended edition, we're [[Main/SarcasmMode treated to]] the sight of them destroying three dwarf war chariots and easily slaughtering the crews, [[Main/CurbstompBattle all in under a minute.]]

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* Azog's ogres. They're halfway between the orcs and trolls in size, and [[Main/LightningBruiser are surprisingly agile and strong]]. One comes close to killing Bard's children during the orcs' attack on Dale. In the extended edition, we're [[Main/SarcasmMode treated to]] to the sight of them destroying three dwarf war chariots and easily slaughtering the crews, [[Main/CurbstompBattle all in under a minute.]]
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** A significant chunk of the film focuses on AdultFear, and doesn't spare a single race from it. Bard is in a constant state of fear and panic for his three children, Thranduil can be seen visibly losing his calm at the prospect of Legolas being on the battlefield, and Thorin, Bilbo, and Dwalin are faced with the horror of watching [[spoiler: Fíli's impalement and not seeing or even learning (in Thorin's case) of Kíli's death]]. The dead bodies of several children are shown in Dale as well, thoroughly averting all aspects of InfantImmortality.

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** A significant chunk of the film focuses on AdultFear, and doesn't spare a single race from it. Bard is in a constant state of fear and panic for his three children, Thranduil can be seen visibly losing his calm at the prospect of Legolas being on the battlefield, and Thorin, Bilbo, and Dwalin are faced with the horror of watching [[spoiler: Fíli's impalement and not seeing or even learning (in Thorin's case) of Kíli's death]]. The dead bodies of several children are shown in Dale as well, thoroughly averting all aspects of InfantImmortality.well.
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* Galadriel's "Dark Queen" form when she fights Sauron, which looks a lot like [[Literature/TheRing Samara/Sadako]]. Doesn't help that she just jumps up from the ground into centee frame within seconds.

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* Galadriel's "Dark Queen" form when she fights Sauron, which looks a lot like [[Literature/TheRing Samara/Sadako]]. Doesn't help that she just jumps up from the ground into centee center frame within seconds.



* Legolas stabbing Bolg in the hand in the extended edition only for Bolg to look at the knife embedded in his hand, [[Main/SlasherSmile then smile sadisticly]] before swiping it at Legolas' face. Oh yeah and you see the blood drip from Bolg's hand. [[Main/BlatantLies Sweet dreams.]]

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* Legolas stabbing Bolg in the hand in the extended edition only for Bolg to look at the knife embedded in his hand, [[Main/SlasherSmile then smile sadisticly]] before swiping it at Legolas' Legolas's face. Oh yeah and you see the blood drip from Bolg's hand. [[Main/BlatantLies Sweet dreams.]]



** Its even more horrible if you look at the MPAA's track record, given that so many people criticize it for violence. Since the hyperrelaistic blood of the Orcs and Trolls are only for a second, and its merely BlackBlood, apparently the MPAA didn't seem to mind that. This one little sequence on the other hand, was enough for them to say to Peter "This is too much".

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** Its even more horrible if you look at the MPAA's track record, given that so many people criticize it for violence. Since the hyperrelaistic hyperrealistic blood of the Orcs and Trolls are only for a second, and its merely BlackBlood, apparently the MPAA didn't seem to mind that. This one little sequence on the other hand, was enough for them to say to Peter "This is too much".



* Azog's ogres. They're half way between the orcs and trolls in size, and [[Main/LightningBruiser are surprisingly agile and strong]]. One comes close to killing Bard's children during the orcs' attack on Dale. In the extended edition, we're [[Main/SarcasmMode treated to]] the sight of them destroying three dwarf war chariots and easily slaughtering the crews, [[Main/CurbstompBattle all in under a minute.]]

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* Azog's ogres. They're half way halfway between the orcs and trolls in size, and [[Main/LightningBruiser are surprisingly agile and strong]]. One comes close to killing Bard's children during the orcs' attack on Dale. In the extended edition, we're [[Main/SarcasmMode treated to]] the sight of them destroying three dwarf war chariots and easily slaughtering the crews, [[Main/CurbstompBattle all in under a minute.]]
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* The troll that Legolas causes to crash into the tower to make a bridge to fight Bolg is one of the most horrifying things that could be seen in the movie. Pale white, all four of its limbs cut off with weapons fixed onto the stumps, along with its ''[[EyeScream eyes put out]] with chains attached in their place''. The fact that he kills the thing seems almost like a MercyKill.
** In the extended edition, we see an orc (and later, Bofur) ride one, steering it by jerking on the chains attached to the eyes. Heaven knows what pain that thing must be going through every time that chain is yanked.

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* The troll that Legolas causes to crash into the tower to make a bridge to fight Bolg is one of the most horrifying things that could be seen in the movie. Pale white, all four of its limbs cut off with weapons fixed onto the stumps, along with its ''[[EyeScream eyes put out]] with chains attached in their place''. The fact that he Legolas kills the thing seems almost like a MercyKill.
** In the extended edition, we see an orc (and later, Bofur) ride one, steering it by jerking on the chains attached to the eyes. Heaven knows what pain that thing must be going through every time that chain is yanked.
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** The aftermath of Smaug's rampage isn't any better. Laketown was the DungAges, but the film hammers in how much worse it is to have no home at all.
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** [[spoiler:His HeelRealization of how he's been consumed by his greed is accompanied by ''[[SarcasmMode lovely]]'' hallucinations of Smaug's form slithering underneath the molten gold, before proceeding to swallow him whole. The latter in particular is heavily reminiscent of a black hole and its [[FauxSymbolism event]] [[MoralEventHorizon horizon]]...]]
** Those familiar with Norse mythology (which were a key inspiration in Tolkien's writings) were probably reminded of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fafnir Fafnir]] and the Rhinegold at this point. If Thorin hadn't shaken off the corruption, his fate may have been far worse than mere gold sickness. Was that Smaug swimming beneath the gold, or a future vision of ''himself''?
* Galadriel's "Dark Queen" form when she fights Sauron, which looks a lot like [[Literature/TheRing Samara/Sadako]]. Doesn't help that she just jumps up from the ground into centre frame within seconds.

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** [[spoiler:His HeelRealization of how he's been consumed by his greed greed]] is accompanied by ''[[SarcasmMode lovely]]'' hallucinations of Smaug's form slithering underneath the molten gold, before proceeding to swallow him whole. The latter in particular is heavily reminiscent of a black hole and its [[FauxSymbolism event]] [[MoralEventHorizon horizon]]...]]
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** Those familiar with Norse mythology (which were a key inspiration in Tolkien's writings) were probably reminded of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fafnir Fafnir]] and the Rhinegold at this point. If Thorin hadn't shaken [[spoiler:shaken off the corruption, corruption]], his fate may have been far worse than mere gold sickness. Was that Smaug swimming beneath the gold, or a future vision of ''himself''?
* Galadriel's "Dark Queen" form when she fights Sauron, which looks a lot like [[Literature/TheRing Samara/Sadako]]. Doesn't help that she just jumps up from the ground into centre centee frame within seconds. seconds.
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** Those familiar with Norse mythology (which were a key inspiration in Tolkien's writings) were probably reminded of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fafnir Fafnir]] and the Rhinegold at this point. If Thorin hadn't shaken off the corruption, his fate may have been far worse than mere gold sickness. Was that Smaug swimming beneath the gold, or a future vision of ''himself''?
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** Even worse is that on the commentary, is that Peter Jackson said that the majority of the extended edition had to be cut due to time, but this one had to be cut due to censors. Let me repeat, this film, which would have been bloody already, saw this one little scene as too extreme.
** Its even more horrible if you look at the MPAA's track record, given that so many people criticize it for violence. Since the hyperrelaistic blood of the Orcs and Trolls are only for a second, and its merely BlackBlood, apparently the MPAA didn't seem to mind that. This one little sequence on the other hand, was enough for them to say to Peter "This is too much".
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** [[spoiler:His HeelRealization of how he's been consumed by his greed is accompanied by ''lovely'' hallucinations of Smaug's form slithering underneath the molten gold, before proceeding to swallow him whole. The latter in particular is heavily reminiscent of a black hole and its [[FauxSymbolism event]] [[MoralEventHorizon horizon]]...]]

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** [[spoiler:His HeelRealization of how he's been consumed by his greed is accompanied by ''lovely'' ''[[SarcasmMode lovely]]'' hallucinations of Smaug's form slithering underneath the molten gold, before proceeding to swallow him whole. The latter in particular is heavily reminiscent of a black hole and its [[FauxSymbolism event]] [[MoralEventHorizon horizon]]...]]
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* Galadriel's "Dark Queen" form when she fights Sauron, which looks a lot like [[TheRing Samara/Sadako]]. Doesn't help that she just jumps up from the ground into centre frame within seconds.

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* Galadriel's "Dark Queen" form when she fights Sauron, which looks a lot like [[TheRing [[Literature/TheRing Samara/Sadako]]. Doesn't help that she just jumps up from the ground into centre frame within seconds.



** The teaser trailer provides a frightning yet spectacular example of Smaug's destructive fire. [[https://31.media.tumblr.com/d86059228e9776547f61d0e7ee36646b/tumblr_n9ftinArJm1rr49lio1_500.gif Observe.]]

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** The teaser trailer provides a frightning frightening yet spectacular example of Smaug's destructive fire. [[https://31.media.tumblr.com/d86059228e9776547f61d0e7ee36646b/tumblr_n9ftinArJm1rr49lio1_500.gif Observe.]]fire.



** [[spoiler: Everything, from their appearance to their movement, just feels ''[[UncannyValley wrong]]''. Specific moments include: when they fight Saruman and Elrond, they move [[TeleportSpam so fast]] that it's a miracle those two could keep up; One is thrown off the high tower during the fight, then there's a rush of movement and suddenly ''it's climbing the rockface, completely against gravity and moving on all fours like it's feral''; Later one is stabbed and falls spasming, repeatedly blinking in-and-out of sight like an incomplete manifestation, ie something that shouldn't exist in Middle-Earth.]]

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** [[spoiler: Everything, from their appearance to their movement, just feels ''[[UncannyValley wrong]]''. Specific moments include: when they fight Saruman and Elrond, they move [[TeleportSpam so fast]] that it's a miracle those two could keep up; One one is thrown off the high tower during the fight, then there's a rush of movement and suddenly ''it's climbing the rockface, completely against gravity and moving on all fours like it's feral''; Later later, one is stabbed and falls spasming, repeatedly blinking in-and-out of sight like an incomplete manifestation, ie i.e. something that shouldn't exist in Middle-Earth.]]



** Bard's final attempt to kill Smaug. He ''knows'' he's only got one shot left. Even if this works, he and Bain could likely die anyway, and all he can do is keep his son from looking at their approaching doom. AdultFear, indeed. [[KickTheDog Smaug even taunts him about it]], which makes it all the worse

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** Bard's final attempt to kill Smaug. He ''knows'' he's only got one shot left. Even if this works, he and Bain could likely die anyway, and all he can do is keep his son from looking at their approaching doom. AdultFear, indeed. [[KickTheDog Smaug even taunts him about it]], which makes it all the worseworse.



* [[spoiler: Seeing Azog's body floating beneath the ice under Thorin's feet was just creepy. He then proceeds to stab Thorin through the foot with his massive sword as Thorin howls in pain.]]

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* [[spoiler: Seeing Azog's body floating beneath the ice under Thorin's feet was is just creepy. He then proceeds to stab Thorin through the foot with his massive sword as Thorin howls in pain.]]



* The troll that Legolas causes to crash into the tower to make a bridge to fight Bolg is one of the most horrifying things that could be seen in the movie. Pale white, all four of its limbs cut off with weapons fixed onto the stumps, along with its ''[[EyeScream eyes put out]] with chains attached in their place''. The fact that he killed the thing seems almost like a MercyKill.
** In the extended edition, we see an orc ride steering it by jerking on the chains attached to the eyes. Heaven knows what pain that thing must be going through every time that chain is yanked.
* The extended cut is going to be rated R for "some violence" which makes you wonder...''[[Main/FridgeHorror just what the hell could be in there that necessitated the rating upgrade?]]''

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* The troll that Legolas causes to crash into the tower to make a bridge to fight Bolg is one of the most horrifying things that could be seen in the movie. Pale white, all four of its limbs cut off with weapons fixed onto the stumps, along with its ''[[EyeScream eyes put out]] with chains attached in their place''. The fact that he killed kills the thing seems almost like a MercyKill.
** In the extended edition, we see an orc (and later, Bofur) ride one, steering it by jerking on the chains attached to the eyes. Heaven knows what pain that thing must be going through every time that chain is yanked.
* The extended cut is going to be rated R for "some violence" which makes you wonder... ''[[Main/FridgeHorror just what the hell could be in there that necessitated the rating upgrade?]]''



* In the extended edition, Thorin rides to Ravenhill while being covered by Balin, Dwalin, Fili and Kili. The latter group rides in a war chariot armed with spiked wheels that not only slice through several orcs' legs, but ''decapitate six trolls in a row and disembowel a warg.'' Complete with hyperrealistic blood, no less.
* Azog's ogres. They're half way between the orcs and trolls in size, and ' '[[Main/LightningBruiser are surprisingly agile and strong.]] One comes close to killing Bard's children during the orcs' attack on Dale. In the extended edition, we're [[Main/SarcasmMode treated to]] the sight of them destroying three dwarf war chariots and easily slaughtering the crews, [[Main/CurbstompBattle all in under a minute.]]

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* In the extended edition, Thorin rides to Ravenhill while being covered by Balin, Dwalin, Fili Fíli, and Kili.Kíli. The latter group rides in a war chariot armed with spiked wheels that not only slice through several orcs' legs, but ''decapitate six trolls in a row and disembowel a warg.'' Complete with hyperrealistic blood, no less.
* Azog's ogres. They're half way between the orcs and trolls in size, and ' '[[Main/LightningBruiser [[Main/LightningBruiser are surprisingly agile and strong.]] strong]]. One comes close to killing Bard's children during the orcs' attack on Dale. In the extended edition, we're [[Main/SarcasmMode treated to]] the sight of them destroying three dwarf war chariots and easily slaughtering the crews, [[Main/CurbstompBattle all in under a minute.]]
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* Azog's ogres. They're half way between the orcs and trolls in size, and ' '[[Main/LightningBruiser are surprisingly agile and strong.]] One comes close to killing Bard's children during the orcs' attack on Dale. In the extended edition, we're [[Main/SarcasmMode treated to]] the sight of them destroying three dwarf war chariots and easily slaughtering the crews, [[Main/CurbstompBattle all in under a minute.]]
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* The extended cut is going to be rated R for "some violence" which makes you wonder...''[[Main/FridgeHorror just what the hell could be in there that nessicated the rating upgrade?]]''

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* In the extended edition, Thorin rides to Ravenhill while being covered by Balin, Dwalin, Fili and Kili. The latter group rides in a war chariot armed with spiked wheels that not only slice through several orcs' legs, but ''decapitate six trolls in a row and disembowel a warg.'' Complete with hyperrealistic blood, no less.

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