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27th Apr '16 10:53:09 PM WanderingBrowser
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* In ''TabletopGame/Deadlands'', both the Union and the Confederacy have elite task-forces dedicated to [[TheHunter fighting monsters and the dark powers that make them]]. Both of these task-forces, the Texas Rangers of the Confederacy and [[ThePinkertons Agency]] of the Union, have figured out that the dark powers that are behind monsters literally feed on fear. As a result, they've decided to create/uphold TheMasquerade, reasoning that if the existence of monsters were admitted, people would panic and that would make even more monsters. This in and of itself is a minor example of this trope, since the sourcebooks suggest that proper education would ultimately reduce a lot of the intimidating nature of the forces of darkness; a shadowy beast killing all your cattle is scary, a mountain lion is just dangerous. However, it's ''how'' they go about enforcing TheMasquerade that really falls under this. The Texas Rangers have a bad tendency to resort to strong-arming and intimidation in order to "convince" people to shut up about the horrible monsters they've seen, which often sabotages their efforts. But the Agency really has it bad; they're known as TheMenInBlack Dusters, and just like their trope-sake, they favor a mixture of enigmatic stoicism, covert activity, intimidation and [[KilledToUpholdTheMasquerade outright murder]] to cover up the existence of the supernatural... which pretty much completely undoes any good they might do by actually catching monsters.
17th Mar '16 4:54:14 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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** The Emperor winning the Horus Heresy is an example of the trope, according to [[Literature/HorusHeresy the novels of the same name]]. It was prophesized that had he lost, humanity would have died out in a couple generations taking Chaos with it and freeing the rest of the galaxy from it. This is the entire reason Alpha Legion decided to join Horus. [[spoiler: Or maybe his winning is a failure, as Eldrad Ultran states.]]

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** The Emperor winning the Horus Heresy is an example of the trope, according to [[Literature/HorusHeresy the novels of the same name]]. It was prophesized that had he lost, humanity would have died out in a couple generations taking Chaos with it and freeing the rest of the galaxy from it. This is the entire reason Alpha Legion decided to join Horus. [[spoiler: Or maybe his winning Possibly subverted, and Emperor's victory is a failure, actually the best way, as Eldrad Ultran states.]]
17th Mar '16 4:52:00 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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** The Emperor winning the Horus Heresy is an example of the trope, according to [[Literature/HorusHeresy the novels of the same name]]. It was prophesized that had he lost, humanity would have died out in a couple generations taking Chaos with it and freeing the rest of the galaxy from it. This is the entire reason Alpha Legion decided to join Horus.

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** The Emperor winning the Horus Heresy is an example of the trope, according to [[Literature/HorusHeresy the novels of the same name]]. It was prophesized that had he lost, humanity would have died out in a couple generations taking Chaos with it and freeing the rest of the galaxy from it. This is the entire reason Alpha Legion decided to join Horus. [[spoiler: Or maybe his winning is a failure, as Eldrad Ultran states.]]
3rd Jan '16 5:36:55 PM thatmadork
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*** Update: [[spoiler:Ghazghkull has got himself involved in the whole mess, and now the Orks are winning.]]

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*** Update: [[spoiler:Ghazghkull has got himself involved in the whole mess, and now the Orks are winning. This is ''not'' a good thing, as Ghazghkull is the biggest, meanest and [[GeniusBruiser brightest]] Ork warboss in the entire galaxy, and the last thing the Imperium wants him to get is a huge army of super-badass Orks on crack.]]
3rd Jan '16 5:34:47 PM thatmadork
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*** Update: [[spoiler:Ghazghkull has got himself involved in the whole mess, and now the Orks are winning.]]
28th Dec '15 8:45:09 AM ImaginaryMetroid
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*** The selection of Leman Russ probably indicates the Emperor actually had at least some consent for the Space Wolves to attack. The Space Wolves at that time were the only group of loyalist Space Marines that did not find the concept of fighting other Space Marines to be completely incomprehensible. Very early in the Literature/HorusHeresy series, an entire Luna Wolf squad was killed by a single Space Marine that was infected by a demon because not a single Space Marine in their right mind could bring themselves to hire on one of their own, even to preserve their own lives, the lives of their squadmates, or even to ensure they were capable of completing their mission objectives. He could have sent several other primarchs, but he chose to send the Primarch with a grudge, a violent reputation, and a complete willingness to fight other Space Marines. The only other explanation is PlotInducedStupidity.

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*** The selection of Leman Russ probably indicates the Emperor actually had at least some consent for the Space Wolves to attack. The Space Wolves at that time were the only group of loyalist Space Marines that did not find the concept of fighting other Space Marines to be completely incomprehensible. Very early in the Literature/HorusHeresy series, an entire Luna Wolf squad was killed by a single Space Marine that was infected by a demon because not a single Space Marine in their right mind could bring themselves to hire fire on one of their own, even to preserve their own lives, the lives of their squadmates, or even to ensure they were capable of completing their mission objectives. He could have sent several other primarchs, but he chose to send the Primarch with a grudge, a violent reputation, and a complete willingness to fight other Space Marines. The only other explanation is PlotInducedStupidity.
31st Oct '15 11:32:27 PM nombretomado
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* Years ago, a French tabletop RPG magazine had released a two seasons campaign for a generic {{dystopia}} TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture setting. Season one had the players going against a NightmareFuel PsychoForHire known as ''[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Butcher]]'', who was trying to initiate [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the biblical apocalypse]]. They were helped in their quest by a mysterious cube, which, between fast-paced action sequences in the present, allowed them to [[QuantumLeap time travel via mind-transfer]] to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong. Then in season 2, it is revealed that ''The Butcher'' was really acting this way to prevent a BadFuture to occure ([[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism effectively willing to sacrifice millions of people to save billions later]]), and the players have been manipulated into opposing him all along, the cube actually being a gift from some monster, with which they really were setting ''worse'' what once went wrong -- and now of course they have to clean their mess, by time traveling again, this time with a cube given by ''The Butcher'', all while fighting BigBad 2 ''[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast The Plague]]'', a NightmareFuel sweating BodyHorror and borderline EldritchAbomination, who is actually one of the secondary antagonists of season 1, LeftForDead by the players and "[[WasOnceAMan reconstructed]]" later -- oh, the {{irony}}! (for extra irony, the second cube, with which the characters are supposed to fix what they spoiled, is actually much less user-friendly than the first one).

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* Years ago, a French tabletop RPG magazine had released a two seasons campaign for a generic {{dystopia}} TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture setting. Season one had the players going against a NightmareFuel PsychoForHire known as ''[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast the Butcher]]'', who was trying to initiate [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the biblical apocalypse]]. They were helped in their quest by a mysterious cube, which, between fast-paced action sequences in the present, allowed them to [[QuantumLeap [[Series/QuantumLeap time travel via mind-transfer]] to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong. Then in season 2, it is revealed that ''The Butcher'' was really acting this way to prevent a BadFuture to occure ([[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism effectively willing to sacrifice millions of people to save billions later]]), and the players have been manipulated into opposing him all along, the cube actually being a gift from some monster, with which they really were setting ''worse'' what once went wrong -- and now of course they have to clean their mess, by time traveling again, this time with a cube given by ''The Butcher'', all while fighting BigBad 2 ''[[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast The Plague]]'', a NightmareFuel sweating BodyHorror and borderline EldritchAbomination, who is actually one of the secondary antagonists of season 1, LeftForDead by the players and "[[WasOnceAMan reconstructed]]" later -- oh, the {{irony}}! (for extra irony, the second cube, with which the characters are supposed to fix what they spoiled, is actually much less user-friendly than the first one).
2nd Sep '15 6:32:15 AM narm00
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* In a ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' adventure featured in ''Dungeon'' magazine, an evil giant living in a flying castle waged a terrible campaign of vengeance upon human towns and villages, murdering scores of innocents in the process. If the heroes killed him instead of making some sort of agreement with him, however, [[LoadBearingBoss castle dissolved]]... and [[SealedEvilInACan released an unspeakably powerful god-spawned monstrosity from its centuries-old prison]]. The monstrosity would then begin methodically and efficiently killing everything in the area, followed by everything else on the planet. Whoops.

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* In a ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' adventure featured in ''Dungeon'' magazine, an evil giant living in a flying castle waged a terrible campaign of vengeance upon human towns and villages, murdering scores of innocents in the process. If the heroes killed him instead of making some sort of agreement with him, however, [[LoadBearingBoss the castle dissolved]]... and [[SealedEvilInACan released an unspeakably powerful god-spawned monstrosity from its centuries-old prison]]. The monstrosity would then begin methodically and efficiently killing everything in the area, followed by everything else on the planet. Whoops.



** Of course the Third option might be the best one for the people living there as A FateWorseThanDeath is pretty much the standard operating procedure for Ravenloft.

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** Of course the Third third option might be the best one for the people living there as A FateWorseThanDeath is pretty much the standard operating procedure for Ravenloft.
23rd May '15 8:40:24 PM nombretomado
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*** The HorusHeresy series adds an extra layer to this- the Big E didn't send Russ just for Magnus breaking his rules, but because Magnus caused the biggest NiceJobBreakingItHero moment of the entire series. In trying to warn his father about Horus, Magnus psychically travels through the warp to Terra, but finds it blocked by extremely powerful wards. The rage from his apparent failure leaves an opening to Chaos to offer him enough power to break through, which he does so with haste. End result- Magnus gets his message through, but finds that not only did he destroy all the wards protecting Terra, but the psychic back-blast also fried the Golden Throne, which was supposed to be used to contain Chaos and/or access the Eldar webway. He then suffers MyGodWhatHaveIDone and returns to Prospero to wait for Russ to arrive and kill him.
*** The selection of Leman Russ probably indicates the Emperor actually had at least some consent for the Space Wolves to attack. The Space Wolves at that time were the only group of loyalist Space Marines that did not find the concept of fighting other Space Marines to be completely incomprehensible. Very early in the HorusHeresy series, an entire Luna Wolf squad was killed by a single Space Marine that was infected by a demon because not a single Space Marine in their right mind could bring themselves to hire on one of their own, even to preserve their own lives, the lives of their squadmates, or even to ensure they were capable of completing their mission objectives. He could have sent several other primarchs, but he chose to send the Primarch with a grudge, a violent reputation, and a complete willingness to fight other Space Marines. The only other explanation is PlotInducedStupidity.

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*** The HorusHeresy Literature/HorusHeresy series adds an extra layer to this- the Big E didn't send Russ just for Magnus breaking his rules, but because Magnus caused the biggest NiceJobBreakingItHero moment of the entire series. In trying to warn his father about Horus, Magnus psychically travels through the warp to Terra, but finds it blocked by extremely powerful wards. The rage from his apparent failure leaves an opening to Chaos to offer him enough power to break through, which he does so with haste. End result- Magnus gets his message through, but finds that not only did he destroy all the wards protecting Terra, but the psychic back-blast also fried the Golden Throne, which was supposed to be used to contain Chaos and/or access the Eldar webway. He then suffers MyGodWhatHaveIDone and returns to Prospero to wait for Russ to arrive and kill him.
*** The selection of Leman Russ probably indicates the Emperor actually had at least some consent for the Space Wolves to attack. The Space Wolves at that time were the only group of loyalist Space Marines that did not find the concept of fighting other Space Marines to be completely incomprehensible. Very early in the HorusHeresy Literature/HorusHeresy series, an entire Luna Wolf squad was killed by a single Space Marine that was infected by a demon because not a single Space Marine in their right mind could bring themselves to hire on one of their own, even to preserve their own lives, the lives of their squadmates, or even to ensure they were capable of completing their mission objectives. He could have sent several other primarchs, but he chose to send the Primarch with a grudge, a violent reputation, and a complete willingness to fight other Space Marines. The only other explanation is PlotInducedStupidity.



** The Emperor winning the Horus Heresy is an example of the trope, according to [[HorusHeresy the novels of the same name]]. It was prophesized that had he lost, humanity would have died out in a couple generations taking Chaos with it and freeing the rest of the galaxy from it. This is the entire reason Alpha Legion decided to join Horus.

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** The Emperor winning the Horus Heresy is an example of the trope, according to [[HorusHeresy [[Literature/HorusHeresy the novels of the same name]]. It was prophesized that had he lost, humanity would have died out in a couple generations taking Chaos with it and freeing the rest of the galaxy from it. This is the entire reason Alpha Legion decided to join Horus.



*** For example, when Lorgar of the Word Bearers encountered the Emperor, he transferred his deep religious faith into deifying the Emperor, and indoctrinated his Legion of Space Marines to believe the same way. As a result, when they pacified and claimed a world, they spent an extended period of time erecting temples to the Emperor and establishing their religion as the planet's new sole form of faith before moving on to the next one. The Emperor said not a word about this for centuries, then suddenly chastised the whole Legion for both "dawdling" and for believing in him as a god in the first place. The HorusHeresy novels explain that this chastisement took the form of going to a planet the Word Bearers had claimed over a century ago, which they regarded as the jewel of their achievements for the willingness and extent they had adopted the Imperial Cult, and then razing it to the ground. Then the whole Legion, including Lorgar, were summoned to the ashes of their world and telepathicly forced to kneel and listen to the Emperor chew them out -- and in front of others, for added humiliation. Lorgar goes on to fall into worshipping the Chaos Gods and is instrumental in the corruption of the rest of the soon-to-be-Traitor Legions.

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*** For example, when Lorgar of the Word Bearers encountered the Emperor, he transferred his deep religious faith into deifying the Emperor, and indoctrinated his Legion of Space Marines to believe the same way. As a result, when they pacified and claimed a world, they spent an extended period of time erecting temples to the Emperor and establishing their religion as the planet's new sole form of faith before moving on to the next one. The Emperor said not a word about this for centuries, then suddenly chastised the whole Legion for both "dawdling" and for believing in him as a god in the first place. The HorusHeresy Literature/HorusHeresy novels explain that this chastisement took the form of going to a planet the Word Bearers had claimed over a century ago, which they regarded as the jewel of their achievements for the willingness and extent they had adopted the Imperial Cult, and then razing it to the ground. Then the whole Legion, including Lorgar, were summoned to the ashes of their world and telepathicly forced to kneel and listen to the Emperor chew them out -- and in front of others, for added humiliation. Lorgar goes on to fall into worshipping the Chaos Gods and is instrumental in the corruption of the rest of the soon-to-be-Traitor Legions.
11th Mar '15 7:40:47 PM WillBGood
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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', Magnus The Red used sorcery to become aware of Horus's FaceHeelTurn and desperately broke his oath never to use psychic powers again to immediately inform his father the Emperor that Horus was planning a bloody revolt against him. The Emperor, refusing to believe that his favorite son could turn against him and possibly influenced by the widespread FantasticRacism against mutants like Magnus, instead ordered Leman Russ, who was already ''looking'' for an excuse to take out his personal grudges against Magnus, to apprehend him and bring him to Terra. The Thousand Sons legion might not have defected and brought the Chaos Marine forces to exactly 50% of the existing legions at the time had Russ not gone in guns blazing and tried to execute Magnus on the spot. Instead, Tzeench got his own personal legion of chaos marines and the most powerful psyker since the Emperor joined Chaos. [[SarcasmMode Nice job, guys.]]

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* In ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'', Magnus The Red used sorcery to become aware of Horus's FaceHeelTurn and desperately broke his oath never to use psychic powers again to immediately inform his father the Emperor that Horus was planning a bloody revolt against him. The Emperor, refusing to believe that his favorite son could turn against him and possibly influenced by the widespread FantasticRacism against mutants like Magnus, instead ordered Leman Russ, who was already ''looking'' for an excuse to take out his personal grudges against Magnus, to apprehend him and bring him to Terra. The Thousand Sons legion might not have defected and brought the Chaos Marine forces to exactly 50% of the existing legions at the time had Russ not gone in guns blazing and tried to execute Magnus on the spot. Instead, Tzeench got his own personal legion of chaos marines and the most powerful psyker since the Emperor joined Chaos. [[SarcasmMode Nice job, guys.]]
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