History Music / CourtneyLove

21st Oct '17 9:00:31 AM jakearmitage
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-->-- '''Doll Parts'''

'''Courtney Love''' is the frontwoman of early 90s {{grunge}} band '''Hole''', widow of Music/KurtCobain, and currently [[CuteAndPsycho a few notches short]] [[TheOphelia of stable]]. Here's a reasonably quick rundown of her career:

# Born in 1964, she auditioned for ''Series/TheMickeyMouseClub'' at age 12...using a poem by Creator/SylviaPlath.
# She moved around a lot in TheEighties and was in various bands. At one point she joined Music/FaithNoMore as a temporary vocalist, but was kicked out for clashing too much with the others.
# She started [=Hole=] in 1989 with guitarist Eric Erlandson and a [[RevolvingDoorBand rather alarming inability to hang onto drummers and bass players]]. With Hole she made the following albums:
## ''Pretty on the Inside'' (1991), a harsh NoiseRock album produced by [[Music/SonicYouth Kim Gordon]] and Don Fleming. The lineup was Love, Erlandson, Jill Emery on bass and Caroline Rue on drums.
## ''Music/LiveThroughThis'' (1994), a more obviously {{Grunge}} album produced by Sean Slade and Paul Kolderie (previously producers for Music/{{Radiohead}}'s ''Pablo Honey''). This became their most successful album, and brought about rumors that it was ghostwritten by Kurt Cobain.[[note]]Cobain's contributions to the album were uncredited, nearly inaudible backing vocals to "Asking for It" and "Softer, Softest".[[/note]] For this album, Emery and Rue were replaced by Kristen Pfaff (who died of an accidental overdose two months after the album's release) and Patty Schemel.
## ''My Body, the Hand Grenade'' (1997), a compilation of early (and recent) material released while the band's attempt to record a third album collapsed. Included a Nirvana song called "Old Age" which was rewritten and credited entirely to Love without any mention of its origin, providing more fuel for Nirvana fans' disapproval.
## ''Celebrity Skin'' (1998), a much more accessible PowerPop-influenced album produced by [[Music/{{Soundgarden}} Michael Beinhorn]] and with some contributions by [[Music/TheSmashingPumpkins Billy Corgan]] and Jordon Zadorozny of Blinker the Star. To prevent a repeat of ''Live Through This'', the album contained extensive liner notes and writer's credits just so people would know exactly who did what. Melissa Auf Der Maur played bass on the album (and quit in 1999 to join the Smashing Pumpkins), while Schemel controversially left during the sessions for unclear reasons and was replaced by a session drummer in the studio and Samantha Maloney for the tour.
# She married Kurt Cobain. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment You know the rest]].
# After some bit parts in the late 80s, she had a relatively successful period of acting in the mid 90s to early 2000s, most notably in ''Film/ThePeopleVsLarryFlynt'', where she won quite a few awards and even managed to impress Creator/RogerEbert.
# She disbanded Hole circa 2002 after a period of inactivity, became slightly more known for drug addiction, erratic behavior and a talent for annoying/insulting various other AlternativeRock figures than her music.
# She did not endear herself to Music/{{Nirvana}} fans by starting a long legal pissing match with Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic, delaying the release of the ''With the Lights Out'' box set for three years.
# She recorded a solo album, ''America's Sweetheart'' (2004). This was not as well-received as her Hole material due to the weaker songwriting and overly commercial production, and even she admitted she was mostly out of it during recording. This album featured Music/EmilieAutumn, and launched her non-classical career.
# She created a {{Self Insert|Fic}} {{Manga}} called ''Manga/PrincessAi'' under Creator/{{Tokyopop}} in 2004.
# She resurrected the Hole name in 2009 with an entirely new lineup, annoying Erlandson and surprising Auf Der Maur in the process (both of them only found out about it after they saw the announcement; the latter was baffled by the announcement saying that she would be the bassist). This lineup (Love, Micko Larkin, Shawn Dailey and Stu Fisher) put out a new album, ''Nobody's Daughter'' (2010). The album receives very, very mixed reviews. Fisher left a year after the release, being replaced with Scott Lipps. Hole disbanded again in 2012 and Love is again a solo act.

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-->-- '''Doll Parts'''

'''Courtney Love'''
"Doll Parts"

Courtney Love (b. 1964)
is the frontwoman of early 90s {{grunge}} band '''Hole''', Hole and widow of Music/KurtCobain, and currently [[CuteAndPsycho a few notches short]] [[TheOphelia of stable]]. Here's a reasonably quick rundown of her career:

# Born in 1964, she auditioned for ''Series/TheMickeyMouseClub'' at age 12...using a poem by Creator/SylviaPlath.
#
Music/KurtCobain.

She moved around a lot in TheEighties and was in various bands. At one point she joined Music/FaithNoMore as a temporary vocalist, but was kicked out for (surprise) clashing too much with the others.
# She
other musicians. Along with guitarist Eric Erlandson, she started [=Hole=] in 1989 with guitarist Eric Erlandson and a 1989, which has/had [[RevolvingDoorBand rather an alarming inability to hang onto drummers and bass players]]. With Hole she made the following albums:
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albums:

#
''Pretty on the Inside'' (1991), a harsh NoiseRock album produced by [[Music/SonicYouth Kim Gordon]] and Don Fleming. The lineup was Love, Erlandson, Jill Emery on bass and Caroline Rue on drums.
## # ''Music/LiveThroughThis'' (1994), a more obviously {{Grunge}} album produced by Sean Slade and Paul Kolderie (previously producers for Music/{{Radiohead}}'s ''Pablo Honey''). This It became their most successful album, and but Cobain's contributions were uncredited, which brought about rumors that it was ghostwritten by Kurt Cobain.[[note]]Cobain's contributions to the album were uncredited, nearly inaudible Cobain. (Kurt contributed nearly-inaudible backing vocals to "Asking for It" and "Softer, Softest".[[/note]] ) For this album, Emery and Rue were replaced by Kristen Pfaff (who died of an accidental overdose two months after the album's release) and Patty Schemel.
## # ''My Body, the Hand Grenade'' (1997), a compilation of early (and recent) material released while the band's attempt to record a third album collapsed. Included a Nirvana song called "Old Age" which was rewritten and credited entirely to Love without any mention of its origin, providing more fuel for Nirvana fans' disapproval.
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origin.
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''Celebrity Skin'' (1998), a much more accessible PowerPop-influenced album produced more-accessible PowerPop album. Produced by [[Music/{{Soundgarden}} Michael Beinhorn]] and with some contributions by [[Music/TheSmashingPumpkins Billy Corgan]] and Jordon Zadorozny of Blinker the Star. To prevent a repeat of ''Live Through This'', the album contained extensive liner notes and writer's credits just so people would know exactly who did what. Melissa Auf Der Maur played bass on the album (and quit in 1999 to join the Smashing Pumpkins), while Schemel controversially left during the sessions for unclear reasons and was replaced by a session drummer in the studio and Samantha Maloney for the tour.
# She married Kurt Cobain. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment You know the rest]].
# After some bit parts in the late 80s, she had a relatively successful period of acting in the mid 90s to early 2000s, most notably in ''Film/ThePeopleVsLarryFlynt'', where she won quite a few awards and even managed to impress Creator/RogerEbert.
# She
tour.

Love
disbanded Hole circa 2002 after a period of inactivity, and became slightly more known for drug addiction, erratic behavior and a talent for annoying/insulting various insulting other AlternativeRock figures [[AlternativeRock alt-rock]] musicians than her music.
#
music. She did not endear herself to Music/{{Nirvana}} fans by starting provoking a long legal pissing match with Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic, delaying the release of the ''With the Lights Out'' box set for three years.
# She
years.

In 2004, Love
recorded a solo album, ''America's Sweetheart'' (2004). This was not as well-received as her Hole material due to the weaker songwriting and overly commercial production, and even she admitted she was mostly out of it during recording. This album featured Music/EmilieAutumn, and launched her non-classical career.
# She created a {{Self Insert|Fic}} {{Manga}} called ''Manga/PrincessAi'' under Creator/{{Tokyopop}} in 2004.
# She resurrected the
career. In 2009, she revived Hole name in 2009 with an entirely new lineup, annoying Erlandson and surprising Auf Der Maur in the process (both of them Maur, since they only found out learned about it after they saw the announcement; the from Love's announcement. (The latter was baffled by the announcement saying that she would be the bassist). bassist.) This lineup (Love, Micko Larkin, Shawn Dailey and Stu Fisher) put out a new album, ''Nobody's Daughter'' (2010). The album receives very, very mixed reviews. Fisher left a year after the release, being replaced with Scott Lipps. Hole disbanded again a second time in 2012 2012, and Love is again a solo act.
act, touring with people like Music/LanaDelRey.

After some bit parts in the late 80s, she had a relatively successful period of acting in the mid 90s to early 2000s, most notably in ''Film/ThePeopleVsLarryFlynt'', where she won quite a few awards and even managed to impress Creator/RogerEbert. Yes, she's perpetually name-droppy, but in reality she's always seemed to be privy to a lot of insider information. "If Harvey Weinstein invites you to a party at the Four Seasons, don't go." Everyone laughed this off. No big deal, Courtney’s crazy! Then she got blacklisted by her talent agency.[[note]]There is also an interview with Howard Stern where she hinted--but fell far short of revealing too much--about David Bowie's illness.[[/note]]

More strange stuff:

* She auditioned for ''Series/TheMickeyMouseClub'' at age 12...using a poem by Creator/SylviaPlath.
* Love was in the music video for "I Wanna Be Sedated" by Music/TheRamones.
* Love is not just connected to Kurt Cobain, but four other members of the "27 Club": Music/TheGratefulDead’s Pigpen [=McKernan=], Echo and the Bunnymen’s Pete de Freitas, The Gits' Mia Zapata, and Hole’s Kristen Pfaff.
* Hole's "Violet" was written about Billy Corgan. Two psycho control freaks in a relationship, shocker that it never worked out. Love says it's "a song about a jerk, I hexed him and now he's losing his hair."
* She created a {{Self Insert|Fic}} {{Manga}} called ''Manga/PrincessAi'' under Creator/{{Tokyopop}} in 2004.
* Creator/DrewBarrymore is the godmother of Kurt Cobain and Courtney Love's daughter, Frances Bean Cobain. She's been almost been called into active duty more than any 10 Army reservists combined.



* ArchNemesis: [[Music/FooFighters Dave Grohl]]. The two have had strong feelings about each other and have been in multiple legal battles ever since Cobain's death and Nirvana's dissolution. It's possible that they have reconciled to some extent. At Nirvana's induction to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2014, the two embraced on stage to thunderous applause from the audience.



* AwesomeEgo:[[invoked]] Real world example. During TheEighties, she served as the frontwoman for Music/FaithNoMore for a short period (sacked when her domineering personality became apparent even then). Her replacement turned out to be so bad that a magazine commented on the band's "internal warfare".
* CarefulWithThatAxe: Jesus, Courtney... (Violet is the go to example of this)
* CloudCuckoolander: In her "good" public appearances, she comes off as one of these. See JekyllAndHyde below.

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* AwesomeEgo:[[invoked]] Real world example. During TheEighties, she served as the frontwoman for Music/FaithNoMore for a short period (sacked when her domineering personality became apparent even then). Her replacement turned out to be so bad that a magazine commented on the band's "internal warfare".
* CarefulWithThatAxe: Jesus, Courtney... (Violet "Violet" is the go to go-to example of this)
* CloudCuckoolander: In her "good" public appearances, she comes off as one of these. See JekyllAndHyde below.
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* FollowTheLeader:
** She feels this way about Creator/TaylorMomsen.
** For Love herself, Music/StevieNicks, who she strongly admires.



* HiddenDepths: Her speech about how artists are unfairly treated by the record industry is surprisingly insightful, informative and well-written. Also, let's face it, her talent as a musician and a frontwoman is greatly underrated, most likely due to her scandalous private life.
* IAmTheBand: Former guitarist and only other constant member Eric Erlandson criticised the resurrection of the "Hole" name, saying he "had a contract" with Love that neither of them would reunite Hole without the other's involvement. Love responded by declaring that Hole is "MY band", and continued with the reunion. Erlandson did not pursue any further legal action (a decision Auf Der Maur attributed to his considerably mellower personality).

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* HiddenDepths: Her speech about how artists are unfairly treated by IAmTheBand:
** In
the record industry is surprisingly insightful, informative and well-written. Also, let's face it, her talent 80's, he served as a musician and a the frontwoman is greatly underrated, most likely due to for Music/FaithNoMore for a short period (sacked when her scandalous private life.
* IAmTheBand:
domineering personality became apparent even then). Her replacement turned out to be so bad that a magazine commented on the band's "internal warfare".
**
Former guitarist and only other constant member Eric Erlandson criticised the resurrection of the "Hole" name, saying he "had a contract" with Love that neither of them would reunite Hole without the other's involvement. Love responded by declaring that Hole is "MY band", and continued with the reunion. Erlandson did not pursue any further legal action (a decision Auf Der Maur attributed to his considerably mellower personality).



* JekyllAndHyde: Love has had a mixture of "good" and "bad" public appearances. In her "good" public appearances she comes across as an elegant {{Cloudcuckoolander}} and raconteur. In her "bad" public appearances she comes off as an ungracious, catty tornado who documents her paranoia -- [[Film/TheShining Jack Torrence]] style -- in scrambled, typo-ridden Tweets. This had lead many to believe that she has bipolar disorder, a condition that Kurt Cobain also had. Ironically, Courtney's mother was a psychotherapist.
** Lest you think we're exaggerating, the rocker opened up two separate accounts for "Good Sister" and "Bad Sister" (named for one of her songs) to [[http://jezebel.com/5882326/a-tale-of-two-courtneys duke it out over Twitter.]] It got to the point where Francis Bean Cobain personally asked Twitter [[AmazinglyEmbarrassingParents to ban her mother]].



* UnkemptBeauty: Reinvented this for the early 90s, with tattered little dresses, [[UncannyValleyMakeup smeared makeup]] and unbrushed hair. Still considered highly attractive anyway.
** The look in question, Kinderwhore, was the attempt to look like a prostitute crossed with a child playing dress-up. She was accused of stealing it from Kat Bjelland of Music/BabesInToyland.
19th Oct '17 11:59:37 AM karstovich2
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6th Aug '17 12:53:42 AM Piterpicher
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** For Love herself, StevieNicks, who she strongly admires.

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** For Love herself, StevieNicks, Music/StevieNicks, who she strongly admires.
11th Mar '17 3:30:55 PM nombretomado
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# Born in 1964, she auditioned for ''TheMickeyMouseClub'' at age 12...using a poem by Creator/SylviaPlath.

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# Born in 1964, she auditioned for ''TheMickeyMouseClub'' ''Series/TheMickeyMouseClub'' at age 12...using a poem by Creator/SylviaPlath.
14th Oct '16 7:34:59 AM Basara-kun
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* GenerationXerox: Younger Courtney + Kurt's laid back personality + PerkyGoth = Frances Bean Cobain

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* GenerationXerox: Younger Courtney + Kurt's laid back personality + PerkyGoth = Frances Bean CobainCobain.
* GirlGroup: Her first group "Pagan Babies" with Kat Bjelland, Jennifer Finch and baterista Janis Tanaka. It didn't take long.



* MaleBandFemaleSinger: Mostly seen with ''Hole'' where she was the vocalist, as well her solo career having backup gropus made with male only.

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* MaleBandFemaleSinger: Mostly seen with ''Hole'' where she was the vocalist, as well her solo career having backup gropus groups made with male only.
14th Oct '16 7:24:49 AM Basara-kun
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Added DiffLines:

* MaleBandFemaleSinger: Mostly seen with ''Hole'' where she was the vocalist, as well her solo career having backup gropus made with male only.
21st Jun '16 7:14:22 PM gewunomox
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* ToTheTuneOf: ''Pretty on the Inside'''s "Starbelly" borrows its riff from NeilYoung's "Cinnamon Girl".

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* ToTheTuneOf: ''Pretty on the Inside'''s "Starbelly" borrows its riff from NeilYoung's Music/NeilYoung's "Cinnamon Girl".
7th Mar '16 4:39:20 AM erforce
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* JekyllAndHyde: Love has had a mixture of "good" and "bad" public appearances. In her "good" public appearances she comes across as an elegant {{Cloudcuckoolander}} and raconteur. In her "bad" public appearances she comes off as an ungracious, catty tornado who documents her paranoia -- [[TheShining Jack Torrence]] style -- in scrambled, typo-ridden Tweets. This had lead many to believe that she has bipolar disorder, a condition that Kurt Cobain also had. Ironically, Courtney's mother was a psychotherapist.

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* JekyllAndHyde: Love has had a mixture of "good" and "bad" public appearances. In her "good" public appearances she comes across as an elegant {{Cloudcuckoolander}} and raconteur. In her "bad" public appearances she comes off as an ungracious, catty tornado who documents her paranoia -- [[TheShining [[Film/TheShining Jack Torrence]] style -- in scrambled, typo-ridden Tweets. This had lead many to believe that she has bipolar disorder, a condition that Kurt Cobain also had. Ironically, Courtney's mother was a psychotherapist.
5th Mar '16 11:55:31 AM Solle
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All things considered equal, as a female singer she is still able to perform a rare feat: conveying anger and rage ''without'' sounding or acting like a man and being perfectly credible in her anger.
14th Jan '16 10:28:45 AM Morgenthaler
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* TheAtoner: She seems to have made making peace with her old enemies to be her resolution for 2014. First she made peace with Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic at Nirvana's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction, then she was later seen reaching out to others that she had rocky relationships with, such as [[TheSmashingPumpkins Billy Corgan]] and MarilynManson, on social media.

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* TheAtoner: She seems to have made making peace with her old enemies to be her resolution for 2014. First she made peace with Dave Grohl and Krist Novoselic at Nirvana's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction, then she was later seen reaching out to others that she had rocky relationships with, such as [[TheSmashingPumpkins [[Music/TheSmashingPumpkins Billy Corgan]] and MarilynManson, Music/MarilynManson, on social media.
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