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** Jack himself is quite certain that he's irredeemable, having brought about the [[KillAllHumans elimination of the human race]] in his life after what they did to Jill, leading to his incarnation as Wrath. But, as a major theme of the comic is ''redemption'', he gradually comes closer to realizing the truth of his actions and, maybe, freeing himself from that self-inflicted torment.

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* In ''Webcomic/JoeVsElanSchool'', after returning home, Joe comes to find out that his drug charges -- which were apparently the reason he was forced to endure Elan School's abusive "therapies" for three years -- were dropped after ''three months'' into his stay. When he confronts his parents about why they didn't just pull him out immediately after, their dismissive and casual admission that the dropped charges were "irrelevant" to them, and that they left him in Elan for three years to punish and "help" him, helps them cross the MEH for many readers.



* ''Webcomic/{{Unsounded}}'': Starfish and the Red Berry Boys kidnap people and [[OrganTheft surgically remove their organs]] in order to implant First Silver inside them, leaving them [[AndIMustScream alive, but in a permanent state of agony]] so that the Silver can feed off their suffering until it grows powerful enough [[spoiler:to convert all the victims into a monstrous body for itself.]] However, what really puts Starfish over the line is his first scene, before the details of the scheme are fully revealed, when he decides to [[WouldHurtAChild subject children to the procedure]] in order to bilk more money out of his employers.



* In ''Webcomic/JoeVsElanSchool'', after returning home, Joe comes to find out that his drug charges -- which were apparently the reason he was forced to endure Elan School's abusive "therapies" for three years -- were dropped after ''three months'' into his stay. When he confronts his parents about why they didn't just pull him out immediately after, their dismissive and casual admission that the dropped charges were "irrelevant" to them, and that they left him in Elan for three years to punish and "help" him, helps them cross the MEH for many readers.
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* ''Webcomic/{{Housepets}}'' has Pete, a recently freed griffin with supernatural powers, who recently gave a former member of [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]] a KarmicTransformation into a dog. This was seen as an interesting twist, and King, as he's now called, has become a fan favorite for being complicated, adorable, and the Grumpy Bear of the cast. Except that on the conclusion of the Chrismas arc, Pete informed King that [[spoiler:he has no intention of changing King back into a human.]] [[HilarityEnsues Horror ensued.]]

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* ''Webcomic/{{Housepets}}'' has Pete, a recently freed griffin with supernatural powers, who recently gave a former member of [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]] a KarmicTransformation into a dog. This was seen as an interesting twist, and King, as he's now called, has become a fan favorite for being complicated, adorable, and the Grumpy Bear of the cast. Except that on the conclusion of the Chrismas Christmas arc, Pete informed King that [[spoiler:he has no intention of changing King back into a human.]] [[HilarityEnsues Horror ensued.]]
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* In [[http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2006-04-07 this]] ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'' strip and the previous one, Petey {{discusse|dTrope}}s this trope with someone he prevented from crossing the line.
** [[http://www.schlockmercenary.com/2011-06-30 After taking a look]] via spy cams in [[MadDoctor Dr.Pau's]] facility, [[spoiler:Kathryn]] evaluates the new information:

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* In [[http://www.[[https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2006-04-07 com/2006-04-06 this]] ''Webcomic/SchlockMercenary'' strip and the previous successive one, Petey {{discusse|dTrope}}s this trope with someone he prevented from crossing the line.
** [[http://www.[[https://www.schlockmercenary.com/2011-06-30 After taking a look]] via spy cams in [[MadDoctor Dr.Pau's]] facility, [[spoiler:Kathryn]] evaluates the new information:
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* ''Webcomic/EveryoneIsHome'': Sephiroth crosses this in "[[https://www.woodenplankstudios.com/comic/dinner-despair-everyone-is-home/ Dinner Despair]]", poisoning ''ALL'' the Smash fighters ([[WouldHurtAChild even the children]] and Squirtle, who he appeared to have a bond with) and torments Cloud for taking a long time to trust him. He escapes the mansion, but thanks to Kazuya's late arrival and Incineroar being let out of the basement (as well as Kirby surviving the poisoning and Samus not being present when the dinner took place), the damage can be undone. However, he wants to keep his magnum opus in check, and when that failed, resorted to an army of video game villains to destroy Smash Mansion and all who live there. But Shadow Sephiroth reveals an even grimmer plan: use a dickbutt Sephiroth meteor to destroy the entire world, [[ForTheEvulz just because he thinks it will be the ultimate prank to end all pranks]]. This ultimately showcases Sephiroth's KnightOfCerebus status '''big time'''.
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* Falsely accusing a girl of rape in order to weaponize homophobia against her is not enough to cross the MEH (since Charlotte is considered worthy of redemption by at least some characters after she does this); instead it is threatening to out the (black) student president as a "secret Muslim" which turns out to be a step too far, given the webcomic's placement in the early Obama era.

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* ** Falsely accusing a girl of rape in order to weaponize homophobia against her is not enough to cross the MEH (since Charlotte is considered worthy of redemption by at least some characters after she does this); instead it is threatening to out the (black) student president as a "secret Muslim" which turns out to be a step too far, given the webcomic's placement in the early Obama era.
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* In ''Webcomic/PennyAndAggie''
* Falsely accusing a girl of rape in order to weaponize homophobia against her is not enough to cross the MEH (since Charlotte is considered worthy of redemption by at least some characters after she does this); instead it is threatening to out the (black) student president as a "secret Muslim" which turns out to be a step too far, given the webcomic's placement in the early Obama era.
** Also, weaponizing Aggie's memory of her dead mother seems to be a MEH: Penny's refusal to do this, after coming right up to the edge, is the start of her face turn (and eventual positive relationship with Aggie) and when Marshall does so, telling Aggie "your parents would be ashamed of you", the benefit of the doubt with which he had been treated in the comic goes away.
** On the other hand Aggie falsely accusing Penny of racism and of being "worse than Hitler" turns out not to cross the MEH, since Aggie is [[EasilyForgiven easily forgiven]] for this - but when the comic references the event later on it uses the "worse than Hitler" part as a shorthand and downplays the false racism accusation, suggesting the creators felt that perhaps that accusation was a step too far.
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* The 3 yokai thugs in ''Webcomic/{{Erma}}'' freeze and shatter a friendly yokai who offered to help the girls.
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* Xykon in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' zombified his grandmother and several other people, then had them kill his parents. After that, he was your basic stereotypical villain, doing evil things for no other reason than he can. He didn't really have a Moral Event Horizon, because he was a evil horror since birth who thinks morals or even a reason for what you do is for pussies. As for what he did on the top of the page, a group of paladins were standing against him, ready to fight to the death, and he threw a super bouncy ball with a Symbol of Insanity inscribed on it, causing them to go mad and slaughter each other. Only a few of them didn't go insane, on virtue of not seeing the ball, and the only one of them that survived was paralyzed by Xykon, so he would be ForcedToWatch him zombify his dead friends. To give you the full quote of what Xykon said:

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* Xykon in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' zombified his grandmother and several other people, then had them kill his parents. After that, he was your basic stereotypical villain, doing evil things for no other reason than he can. He didn't really have a Moral Event Horizon, because he was a evil horror since birth who thinks morals or even a reason justification for what you do is for pussies. As for what he did on the top of the page, a group of paladins were standing against him, ready to fight to the death, and he threw a super bouncy ball with a Symbol of Insanity inscribed on it, causing them to go mad and slaughter each other. Only a few of them didn't go insane, on virtue of not seeing the ball, and the only one of them that survived was paralyzed by Xykon, so he would be ForcedToWatch him zombify his dead friends. To give you the full quote of what Xykon said:
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* In ''Webcomic/JoeVsElanSchool'', after returning home, Joe comes to find out that his drug charges -- which were apparently the reason he was forced to endure Elan School's abusive "therapies" for three years -- were dropped after ''three months'' into his stay. When he confronts his parents about this, their dismissive and casual admission that the dropped charges were "irrelevant" to them, and that they left him in Elan for three years to punish and "help" him, helps them cross the MEH for many readers.

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* In ''Webcomic/JoeVsElanSchool'', after returning home, Joe comes to find out that his drug charges -- which were apparently the reason he was forced to endure Elan School's abusive "therapies" for three years -- were dropped after ''three months'' into his stay. When he confronts his parents about this, why they didn't just pull him out immediately after, their dismissive and casual admission that the dropped charges were "irrelevant" to them, and that they left him in Elan for three years to punish and "help" him, helps them cross the MEH for many readers.
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* In ''Webcomic/JoeVsElanSchool'', after returning home, Joe comes to find out that his drug charges -- which were apparently the reason he was forced to endure Elan School's abusive "therapies" for three years -- were dropped after ''three months'' into his stay. When he confronts his parents about this, their dismissive and casual admission that the dropped charges were "irrelevant" to them, and that they left him in Elan for three years to punish and "help" him, helps them cross the MEH for many readers.
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* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', we got an example that was more subtle than most, but still important, in the flashback to the Court's early history. DoggedNiceGuy[=/=]StalkerWithACrush Diego reacts to his vehement rejection by Jeanne by [[spoiler:nominating her as the sacrifice for a plan to "protect" the Court from the magical influences of Gillitie Wood.]] Even after ''that'', he still had groups of people who insisted it was just a misguided plan to play hero, that he really didn't mean it, or even that Jeanne ''deserved'' it, [[spoiler:until the next page went up, wherein Diego ''[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=657 smiles at an unknowing Jeanne's fear]] of being sent down into the ravine.'']][[note]]This is revealed to be his ''glee'' at MurderingTheHypoteneuse - his guilt stems from ''leaving Jeanne to starve and become a wraith'', but he has no guilt whatsoever for murdering the man she loved[[/note]] After that, even the people who'd previously defended him wanted him dead.

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* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', we got an example that was more subtle than most, but still important, in the flashback to the Court's early history. DoggedNiceGuy[=/=]StalkerWithACrush Diego reacts to his vehement rejection by Jeanne by [[spoiler:nominating her as the sacrifice for a plan to "protect" the Court from the magical influences of Gillitie Wood.]] Even after ''that'', he still had groups of people who insisted it was just a misguided plan to play hero, that he really didn't mean it, or even that Jeanne ''deserved'' it, [[spoiler:until the next page went up, wherein Diego ''[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=657 smiles at an unknowing Jeanne's fear]] of being sent down into the ravine.'']][[note]]This is revealed to be his ''glee'' at MurderingTheHypoteneuse MurderingTheHypotenuse - his guilt stems from ''leaving Jeanne to starve and become a wraith'', but he has no guilt whatsoever for murdering the man she loved[[/note]] After that, even the people who'd previously defended him wanted him dead.
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*** Literature/TheHomestuckEpilogues uses this as a running gag; after [[spoiler: he is [[ItMakesSenseInContext freed from the fridge by the non-canon Candy!John]], he immediately declares his "redemption arc" to have both begun ''and'' ended]], so then every character in that timeline makes it a point to declare that he has been redeemed at nearly every opportunity, and he himself constantly reminds people not to bring up his past actions. It gets to the point that [[spoiler: '''Canon!Vriska''']], of all people, declares this to be absolute bullshit. [[spoiler: [[CrossesTheLineTwice They then have hate-sex on the spot and she strangles him to death]]]].[[CrossesTheLineTwice It's hilarious]].

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*** Literature/TheHomestuckEpilogues uses this as a running gag; after [[spoiler: he is [[ItMakesSenseInContext freed from the fridge by the non-canon Candy!John]], he immediately declares his "redemption arc" to have both begun ''and'' ended]], so then every character in that timeline makes it a point to declare that he has been redeemed at nearly every opportunity, and he himself constantly reminds people not to bring up his past actions. It gets to the point that [[spoiler: '''Canon!Vriska''']], of all people, declares this to be absolute bullshit. [[spoiler: [[CrossesTheLineTwice They then have hate-sex on the spot and she strangles him to death]]]]. [[CrossesTheLineTwice It's hilarious]].
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* Dellyn Goblinslayer from ''Webcomic/{{Goblins}}'' is a horrible bastard who tortures so-called "monstrous races" to get a better understanding of their biology and kill them more efficiently (at least, that's what he says, but he's a horribly sadistic monster), so he's well past that point when we meet him. However, he becomes this in the eyes of Minmax (who doesn't know about the rest of his horrific actions) when he admits to healing his "pet" Yuan-Ti after beating and raping her into negative HP. He ponders over what Dellyn says for a moment, [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome then chucks the bastard through a window.]]
** Kore is so far past the Moral Event Horizon in his FIRST APPEARANCE. He slaughters a bar of completely innocent orcs and what not simply for the fact they're existing. Then kills a dwarf child, who was adopted by one of the orcs, simply because he was ''with'' the Orcs. That's nothing compared to [[ColdBloodedTorture what he does]] [[spoiler:to Chief...]]
*** Kore, by murdering the Dwarf child in cold blood just for being kidnapped by the 'evil races' and thus being 'tainted', Dellyn by carving the word 'monster' in Fumbles' head with his knife during their first torture session. [[spoiler:Psion-Minmax does this by telling Kin how he murdered her 817 times, and she remembers each of them thanks to the power of the Maze of Many, and how he intends to use the powers of the maze to wipe all all the characters currently inside completely from existence. Before killing her for the 818th time.]]

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* Dellyn Goblinslayer from ''Webcomic/{{Goblins}}'' is a horrible bastard who tortures so-called "monstrous races" to get a better understanding of their biology and kill them more efficiently (at least, that's what he says, but he's a horribly sadistic monster), so he's well past that point when we meet him. He's also the one who drives Fumbles insane while carving the word "Monster" into Fumbles' forehead. He has also taught an entire army of followers to be sadistic in experimentation and ruthless in war, including negligent homicide to keep the townsfolk in line. However, he becomes this in the eyes of Minmax (who doesn't know about the rest of his horrific actions) when he admits to healing his "pet" Yuan-Ti after beating and raping her into negative HP. He ponders over what Dellyn says for a moment, [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome then chucks the bastard through a window.]]
** Kore is so far past the Moral Event Horizon in his FIRST APPEARANCE. He slaughters a bar of completely innocent orcs and what not simply for the fact they're existing. Then kills a dwarf child, who was adopted by one of the orcs, simply because he was ''with'' the Orcs. That's nothing compared to [[ColdBloodedTorture what he does]] [[spoiler:to Chief...]]
*** Kore, by murdering the Dwarf child in cold blood just
]] Also, all of his victims? ReroutedFromHeaven and sent to his own personal Hell, which ''manifests as screaming faces on his flesh'' and [[spoiler:time-dilated for being kidnapped by the 'evil races' and thus being 'tainted', Dellyn by carving the word 'monster' in Fumbles' head with his knife during their first torture session. good measure]].
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[[spoiler:Psion-Minmax does this by telling Kin how he murdered her 817 times, and she remembers each of them thanks to the power of the Maze of Many, and how he intends to use the powers of the maze to wipe all all the characters currently inside completely from existence. Before killing her for the 818th time.]]
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* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', we got an example that was more subtle than most, but still important, in the flashback to the Court's early history. DoggedNiceGuy[=/=]StalkerWithACrush Diego reacts to his vehement rejection by Jeanne by [[spoiler:nominating her as the sacrifice for a plan to "protect" the Court from the magical influences of Gillitie Wood.]] Even after ''that'', he still had groups of people who insisted it was just a misguided plan to play hero, that he really didn't mean it, or even that Jeanne ''deserved'' it, [[spoiler:until the next page went up, wherein Diego ''[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=657 smiles at an unknowing Jeanne's fear]] of being sent down into the ravine.'']][[note]]This is revealed to be his ''glee'' at MurderTheHypoteneuse - his guilt stems from ''leaving Jeanne to starve'', but he has no guilt whatsoever at murdering the man she loved[[/note]] After that, even the people who'd previously defended him wanted him dead.

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* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', we got an example that was more subtle than most, but still important, in the flashback to the Court's early history. DoggedNiceGuy[=/=]StalkerWithACrush Diego reacts to his vehement rejection by Jeanne by [[spoiler:nominating her as the sacrifice for a plan to "protect" the Court from the magical influences of Gillitie Wood.]] Even after ''that'', he still had groups of people who insisted it was just a misguided plan to play hero, that he really didn't mean it, or even that Jeanne ''deserved'' it, [[spoiler:until the next page went up, wherein Diego ''[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=657 smiles at an unknowing Jeanne's fear]] of being sent down into the ravine.'']][[note]]This is revealed to be his ''glee'' at MurderTheHypoteneuse MurderingTheHypoteneuse - his guilt stems from ''leaving Jeanne to starve'', starve and become a wraith'', but he has no guilt whatsoever at for murdering the man she loved[[/note]] After that, even the people who'd previously defended him wanted him dead.
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* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', we got an example that was more subtle than most, but still important, in the flashback to the Court's early history. DoggedNiceGuy[=/=]StalkerWithACrush Diego reacts to his vehement rejection by Jeanne by [[spoiler:nominating her as the sacrifice for a plan to "protect" the Court from the magical influences of Gillitie Wood.]] Even after ''that'', he still had groups of people who insisted it was just a misguided plan to play hero, that he really didn't mean it, or even that Jeanne ''deserved'' it, [[spoiler:until the next page went up, wherein Diego ''[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=657 smiles at an unknowing Jeanne's fear]] of being sent down into the ravine.'']] After that, even the people who'd previously defended him wanted him dead.

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* In ''Webcomic/GunnerkriggCourt'', we got an example that was more subtle than most, but still important, in the flashback to the Court's early history. DoggedNiceGuy[=/=]StalkerWithACrush Diego reacts to his vehement rejection by Jeanne by [[spoiler:nominating her as the sacrifice for a plan to "protect" the Court from the magical influences of Gillitie Wood.]] Even after ''that'', he still had groups of people who insisted it was just a misguided plan to play hero, that he really didn't mean it, or even that Jeanne ''deserved'' it, [[spoiler:until the next page went up, wherein Diego ''[[http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=657 smiles at an unknowing Jeanne's fear]] of being sent down into the ravine.'']] '']][[note]]This is revealed to be his ''glee'' at MurderTheHypoteneuse - his guilt stems from ''leaving Jeanne to starve'', but he has no guilt whatsoever at murdering the man she loved[[/note]] After that, even the people who'd previously defended him wanted him dead.
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* "Webcomic/{{Housepets}}" has Pete, a recently freed griffin with supernatural powers, who recently gave a former member of [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]] a KarmicTransformation into a dog. This was seen as an interesting twist, and King, as he's now called, has become a fan favorite for being complicated, adorable, and the Grumpy Bear of the cast. Except that on the conclusion of the Chrismas arc, Pete informed King that [[spoiler:he has no intention of changing King back into a human.]] [[HilarityEnsues Horror ensued.]]

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* "Webcomic/{{Housepets}}" ''Webcomic/{{Housepets}}'' has Pete, a recently freed griffin with supernatural powers, who recently gave a former member of [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]] a KarmicTransformation into a dog. This was seen as an interesting twist, and King, as he's now called, has become a fan favorite for being complicated, adorable, and the Grumpy Bear of the cast. Except that on the conclusion of the Chrismas arc, Pete informed King that [[spoiler:he has no intention of changing King back into a human.]] [[HilarityEnsues Horror ensued.]]
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*** Literature/TheHomestuckEpilogues uses this as a running gag; after [[spoiler: he is [[ItMakesSenseInContext freed from the fridge by the non-canon Candy!John]], he immediately declares his "redemption arc" to have both begun ''and'' ended]], so then every character in that timeline makes it a point to declare that he has been redeemed at nearly every opportunity, and he himself constantly reminds people not to bring up his past actions. It gets to the point that [[spoiler: '''Canon!Vriska''']], of all people, declares this to be absolute bullshit. [[spoiler: [[CrossesTheLineTwice They then have hate-sex on the spot and she strangles him to death]]]].[[CrossesTheLineTwice It's hilarious]].
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* The act of becoming an [[OurVampiresAreDifferent aberration]] is [[http://www.egscomics.com/index.php?id=2303 very literally one]] in ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive''. Aberrations deliberately choose to transform themselves into undying monsters that must feed on humanity to survive, ''literally'' destroying any morals or sense of empathy they may have possessed in the process. Moreover, there is no way to return an aberration to humanity: reversing the transformation will instantly kill them.
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* Kevin Duquense in ''Webcomic/NineteenNinetySomething'' made it clear that he is deliberately unlikable from the get-go, but he completely crossed it when he attempts to rape his own sister.
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* Dellyn Goblinslayer from ''Webcomic/{{Goblins}}'' is a horrible bastard who tortures so-called "monstrous races" to get a better understanding of their biology and kill them more efficiently (at least, that's what he says, but he's a horribly sadistic monster), so he's well past that point when we meet him. However, he becomes this in the eyes of Minmax (who doesn't know about the rest of his horrific actions) when he admits to healing his "pet" Yuan-Ti after beating and raping her into negative HP. He ponders over what Dellyn says for a moment, [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome then chucks the bastard through a window.]]

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* Dellyn Goblinslayer from ''Webcomic/{{Goblins}}'' is a horrible bastard who tortures so-called "monstrous races" to get a better understanding of their biology and kill them more efficiently (at least, that's what he says, but he's a horribly sadistic monster), so he's well past that point when we meet him. However, he becomes this in the eyes of Minmax (who doesn't know about the rest of his horrific actions) when he admits to healing his "pet" Yuan-Ti after beating and raping her into negative HP. He ponders over what Dellyn says for a moment, [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome then chucks the bastard through a window.]]
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* Kyle in ''Webcomic/SomethingPositive'', [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05242004.shtml here.]] Bad enough that he's a misogynistic jerk, worse that he's cheating on a member of the cast, but what completely pushes him over the line is that he's bragging to a reforming JerkAss who would move heaven and earth to have the woman Kyle's discarding. His [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp10292004.shtml comeuppance]] delighted the bulk of the comic's notoriously UnpleasableFanbase.

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* Kyle in ''Webcomic/SomethingPositive'', [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp05242004.shtml here.]] Bad enough that he's a misogynistic jerk, worse that he's cheating on a member of the cast, but what completely pushes him over the line is that he's bragging to a reforming JerkAss who would move heaven and earth to have the woman Kyle's discarding. His [[http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp10292004.shtml comeuppance]] delighted the bulk of the comic's notoriously UnpleasableFanbase.fanbase .

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** While Doc Scratch does work for the comic's BiggerBad, Lord English, he always acted more AffablyEvil. Then we saw how he treated Aradia's ancestor, the Handmaid. [[spoiler:Nearly suffocating her, beating her with a broom, keeping her alive for the sole purpose of using her to make her home planet a CrapsackWorld, and finally, setting her up to be murdered by her successor.]] Yikes. By the last point, [[spoiler:she had been asking for death for millennia, begging for her slavery to Lord English to end]].

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** While Doc Scratch does work for the comic's BiggerBad, Lord English, he always acted more AffablyEvil. Then we saw crossed it with how he treated Aradia's ancestor, the Handmaid. [[spoiler:Nearly suffocating her, beating her with a broom, keeping her alive for the sole purpose of using her to make her home planet a CrapsackWorld, and finally, setting her up to be murdered by her successor.]] Yikes. By the last point, [[spoiler:she had been asking for death for millennia, begging for her slavery to Lord English to end]].



*** Also, he mercilessly guns down the first living creature that he sees in his entire life, [[spoiler:Gamzee]], made worse when later flashbacks reveal that [[spoiler:Gamzee]] raised both him and his sister from infancy.
*** Later, he seems to find intense pleasure in informing Jane of [[spoiler:her father's supposed horrific, torturous death in the prisons of Derse]], on her birthday no less. This didn't actually happen, but the thought of it is enough to drive her to tears.
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* In ''FanFic/GrimTalesFromDownBelow'', Mandy [[spoiler:masterminds 9/11, Operation Freedom, Hurricane Katrina, and Crash 38 in an attempt to win Grim's affections]]. She also agreed to [[spoiler:have two daughters with ''Dark Danny'', knowing he wanted to use them as weapons. Because she planned on betraying him and doing the same.]]

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* In ''FanFic/GrimTalesFromDownBelow'', ''Webcomic/GrimTalesFromDownBelow'', Mandy [[spoiler:masterminds 9/11, Operation Freedom, Hurricane Katrina, and Crash 38 in an attempt to win Grim's affections]]. She also agreed to [[spoiler:have two daughters with ''Dark Danny'', knowing he wanted to use them as weapons. Because she planned on betraying him and doing the same.]]

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