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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'': You'd think that the Thalmor, an entire nation of genocidal elven supremacists plaguing the continent and murdering/enslaving anyone they hate based on unfounded claims of worshiping a particular god, would be evil enough. Then Ancano, the Thalmor commissar overseeing the local university, apparently goes mad with ambition and tries to absorb the overwhelming magical power of an ArtifactOfDoom, which risks causing an explosion large enough to destroy ''the entire solar system''. And as the cherry on top, you find out that [[spoiler:the risk of a world-ending explosion ''was the point''. The upper ranks of the Thalmor don't even like the world they've nearly conquered ''because they're not satisfied with being born as near-immortal ultra-powerful humanoids'', [[FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence and the existence of inferior life just makes them angrier]]. They won't be satisfied until everything, including themselves, dies and forces the Altmer species to reincarnate as fully-immortal divinities of chaos. They have banned the worship of a god they truly believe is real, [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly because they want to starve him of belief]] and thus cause the total unmaking of reality itself. When Ancano found a quicker method to destroy everything, he immediately jumped onto the VillainBall for dear life - because his fellow elites would have wanted what he dished out]].
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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'': You'd think that the Thalmor, an entire nation of genocidal elven supremacists plaguing the continent and murdering/enslaving anyone they hate based on unfounded claims of worshiping a particular god, would be evil enough. They manage to be hilarious due to the extreme hostility coming from the racist, currently-oppressed country their commissars are forced to oversee - which you can gladly 'retire' them from while the guards charge you a paltry 40 septim for 'assault on an animal'. Then Ancano, the Thalmor commissar overseeing the local university, apparently goes mad with ambition and tries to absorb the overwhelming magical power of an ArtifactOfDoom, which risks causing an explosion large enough to destroy ''the entire solar system''. From this point forward, it becomes apparent that the Thalmor are a potential ''existential threat''. And as the cherry on top, you find out that [[spoiler:the risk of a world-ending explosion ''was the point''. The upper ranks of the Thalmor don't even like the world they've nearly conquered ''because they're not satisfied with being born as near-immortal ultra-powerful humanoids'', [[FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence and the existence of inferior life just makes them angrier]]. [[OmnicidalManiac They won't be satisfied until everything, including themselves, dies dies]] [[GodhoodSeeker and forces the Altmer species to reincarnate as fully-immortal divinities of chaos. chaos]]. They have banned the worship of a god that they secretly and truly believe is real, [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly because they want to starve him of belief]] and thus cause the total unmaking of reality itself. When Ancano found a quicker method to destroy everything, he immediately jumped onto the VillainBall GenericDoomsdayVillain trope for dear life - because his fellow elites would have wanted what that was literally the purpose he dished out]].was ''created'' by the Thalmor to fulfill]].
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* ''VideoGame/BaldursGate'': Irenicus would have been just unlikeable for torturing you in his lab. When he casually murders (and in at least one case, defiles the corpse of[[note]]no, not [[ILoveTheDead like]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil that]]; it's actually ''worse''[[/note]]) two party members from the previous game and leaves you to walk through a dungeon complex full of people he's experimented on and left sealed in vats with only madness to keep them company, he becomes The Guy You Really Want To Kill.
** Keep in mind this is ''after'' he'd already [[spoiler:committed war crimes so horrible his own species, the usually CantArgueWithElves, were horrified enough to exile him]].
** In ''Throne of Bhaal'', [[BigBad Amellisan the Blackhearted]] crossed it when she [[spoiler:guided thousands of Bhaalspawn to a "safe haven" so she'd have them all in one place when the time came for the mass sacrifice]].
** Keep in mind this is ''after'' he'd already [[spoiler:committed war crimes so horrible his own species, the usually CantArgueWithElves, were horrified enough to exile him]].
** In ''Throne of Bhaal'', [[BigBad Amellisan the Blackhearted]] crossed it when she [[spoiler:guided thousands of Bhaalspawn to a "safe haven" so she'd have them all in one place when the time came for the mass sacrifice]].
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* ''VideoGame/BaldursGate'': Irenicus ''Franchise/BaldursGate'':
** [[BigBad Irenicus]] of ''VideoGame/BaldursGateII'' would have been just unlikeable for torturing you in his lab. When he casually murders (and in at least one case, defiles the corpse of[[note]]no, not [[ILoveTheDead like]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil that]]; it's actually ''worse''[[/note]]) two party members from the previous game and leaves you to walk through a dungeon complex full of people he's experimented on and left sealed in vats with only madness to keep them company, he becomes The Guy You Really Want ToKill.
**Kill. Keep in mind this is ''after'' he'd already [[spoiler:committed war crimes so horrible his own species, the usually CantArgueWithElves, were horrified enough to exile him]].
** In''Throne of Bhaal'', ''VideoGame/BaldursGateIIThroneOfBhaal'', [[BigBad Amellisan the Blackhearted]] crossed it when she [[spoiler:guided thousands of Bhaalspawn to a "safe haven" so she'd have them all in one place when the time came for the mass sacrifice]].sacrifice]].
** In ''VideoGame/BaldursGateIII'', siding with the AlwaysChaoticEvil goblins to massacre a settlement of refugees and druids at the end of Act I serves as this, with three good-aligned companions [[YouLoseAtZeroTrust abandoning the party]] as a result (two if you can persuade the ChaoticGood wizard Gale to give you another chance). Even TokenEvilTeammate Minthara, ''who led the charge'', has the excuse of being BrainwashedAndCrazy at the time and questions your judgement once saved. Additionally, a few of your companions have this option in their questlines with the PlayerCharacter's guidance being the deciding factor in whether they go through with it or not. FolkHero Wyll has [[KillTheCutie killing Karlach]] to uphold his DealWithTheDevil, Shadowheart has [[spoiler:killing the Nightsong and dooming Last Light]], LovableRogue Astarion has [[spoiler:usurping his master's DealWithTheDevil to become a true vampire]], even Gale has [[spoiler:betraying his goddess and using the [[ArtifactOfDoom Crown of Karsus]] to become a DeityOfHumanOrigin (and subsequently one of the JerkassGods)]].
** [[BigBad Irenicus]] of ''VideoGame/BaldursGateII'' would have been just unlikeable for torturing you in his lab. When he casually murders (and in at least one case, defiles the corpse of[[note]]no, not [[ILoveTheDead like]] [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil that]]; it's actually ''worse''[[/note]]) two party members from the previous game and leaves you to walk through a dungeon complex full of people he's experimented on and left sealed in vats with only madness to keep them company, he becomes The Guy You Really Want To
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** In ''VideoGame/BaldursGateIII'', siding with the AlwaysChaoticEvil goblins to massacre a settlement of refugees and druids at the end of Act I serves as this, with three good-aligned companions [[YouLoseAtZeroTrust abandoning the party]] as a result (two if you can persuade the ChaoticGood wizard Gale to give you another chance). Even TokenEvilTeammate Minthara, ''who led the charge'', has the excuse of being BrainwashedAndCrazy at the time and questions your judgement once saved. Additionally, a few of your companions have this option in their questlines with the PlayerCharacter's guidance being the deciding factor in whether they go through with it or not. FolkHero Wyll has [[KillTheCutie killing Karlach]] to uphold his DealWithTheDevil, Shadowheart has [[spoiler:killing the Nightsong and dooming Last Light]], LovableRogue Astarion has [[spoiler:usurping his master's DealWithTheDevil to become a true vampire]], even Gale has [[spoiler:betraying his goddess and using the [[ArtifactOfDoom Crown of Karsus]] to become a DeityOfHumanOrigin (and subsequently one of the JerkassGods)]].
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* The Sorceress in ''VideoGame/SpyroYearOfTheDragon'' crossed the Moral Event Horizon when she reveals to Bianca that she doesn't want to keep the baby dragons in the Forgotten Realms to keep the magic alive, [[spoiler:she wants to kill them all and take their wings for a spell to make her immortal]].
** "I don't ''have'' to kill them. It just stops them from wriggling too much.''
** "I don't ''have'' to kill them. It just stops them from wriggling too much.''
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* ''VideoGame/SpyroTheDragon'':
** The Sorceress in ''VideoGame/SpyroYearOfTheDragon'' crossed the Moral Event Horizon when she reveals to Bianca that she doesn't want to keep the baby dragons in the Forgotten Realms to keep the magic alive, [[spoiler:she wants to [[WouldHurtAChild kill themall all]] and take their wings [[ImmortalityImmorality for a spell to make her immortal]].
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--> '''The Sorceress''': "I don't ''have'' to kill them. It just stops them from wriggling too much.''''
** ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfSpyro'':
*** If waging war on countless innocents didn't make Malefor an irredeemable bastard, [[spoiler: unleashing [[BeastOfTheApocalypse The Destroyer]] to annihilate the planet]] definitely did.
*** Gaul crossed it by laying siege to the dragon temple and [[WouldHurtAChild committing mass infanticide by destroying all of the unhatched eggs there.]]
** The Sorceress in ''VideoGame/SpyroYearOfTheDragon'' crossed the Moral Event Horizon when she reveals to Bianca that she doesn't want to keep the baby dragons in the Forgotten Realms to keep the magic alive, [[spoiler:she wants to [[WouldHurtAChild kill them
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--> '''The Sorceress''': "I don't ''have'' to kill them. It just stops them from wriggling too much.
** ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfSpyro'':
*** If waging war on countless innocents didn't make Malefor an irredeemable bastard, [[spoiler: unleashing [[BeastOfTheApocalypse The Destroyer]] to annihilate the planet]] definitely did.
*** Gaul crossed it by laying siege to the dragon temple and [[WouldHurtAChild committing mass infanticide by destroying all of the unhatched eggs there.]]
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* ''VideoGame/{{Ultrakill}}'': [[spoiler:[[BigBad Hell]] already proved itself as a vile, depraved villain of unimaginable cruelty by [[KillAllHumans slaughtering the human race]] to claim their souls and torture them for all eternity out of [[{{Sadist}} sadistic pleasure]]. But if an atrocity like this didn't cross the line for some players, then maybe its cruel treatment of one of its Demons will, such as leaving [[TragicMonster The Minotaur]] to rot in the Garden of Forking Paths for a millennia before [[HopeCrusher crushing]] its TragicDream of seeing the sky one last time by leading it to the level exit before [[EvilIsPetty immediately closing the exit doors it just opened]], forcing it in a losing battle against V1 where the Minotaur dies with regret for failing its dream. Hell is so evil that not even ''its own Demons'' are safe from its cruelty.]]
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* VideoGame/GenshinImpact:
** While Grand Sage Azar was a highly unpleasant individual from the start, he crosses the line by [[spoiler:using the Akasha to trap the entirety of Sumeru City in a dream loop, almost resulting in the death of Dunyarzad and likely thousands more.]]
** Il Dottore crosses it before the events of the game by [[spoiler:murdering Niwa and giving his heart to the Kabukimono, later known as Scaramouche, to manipulate the Kabukimono by fabricating a lie that Niwa killed his own servant, making Dottore indirectly responsible for Scaramouche's villainy.]]
** Noailles comes off as a frustrating ByTheBookCop at first, [[spoiler:but he crosses the line when he breaks his agreement with Caterpillar to let Lanoire, and only Lanoire, go from the Fortress of Meropide, then states that those without documentation (which he knows applies to Lanoire) will spend ''the rest of their lives imprisoned''. This despite ''knowing'' that Lanoire is an innocent child who's only there ''because she was born there''. Additionally, he's deliberately bypassing the courts, and if the Traveler points it out to him, he shrugs it off. At that point it becomes clear that he's more of TheUnfettered PrinciplesZealot.]]
** While Grand Sage Azar was a highly unpleasant individual from the start, he crosses the line by [[spoiler:using the Akasha to trap the entirety of Sumeru City in a dream loop, almost resulting in the death of Dunyarzad and likely thousands more.]]
** Il Dottore crosses it before the events of the game by [[spoiler:murdering Niwa and giving his heart to the Kabukimono, later known as Scaramouche, to manipulate the Kabukimono by fabricating a lie that Niwa killed his own servant, making Dottore indirectly responsible for Scaramouche's villainy.]]
** Noailles comes off as a frustrating ByTheBookCop at first, [[spoiler:but he crosses the line when he breaks his agreement with Caterpillar to let Lanoire, and only Lanoire, go from the Fortress of Meropide, then states that those without documentation (which he knows applies to Lanoire) will spend ''the rest of their lives imprisoned''. This despite ''knowing'' that Lanoire is an innocent child who's only there ''because she was born there''. Additionally, he's deliberately bypassing the courts, and if the Traveler points it out to him, he shrugs it off. At that point it becomes clear that he's more of TheUnfettered PrinciplesZealot.]]
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*** The stories of Flemeth indicate she crossed the line into irredeemability when she started [[spoiler:[[BodySurf stealing her daughters' bodies]] [[GrandTheftMe to prolong her own life]]]].
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*** The stories of Flemeth indicate she crossed the line into irredeemability when she started [[spoiler:[[BodySurf stealing her daughters' bodies]] [[GrandTheftMe to prolong her own life]]]].life]]- albeit that ''Inquisition'' puts this into a significantly less sinister light when she reveals that while she does BodySurf into her daughters, she can't do so without the host's explicit permission]].
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*** [[spoiler:Anders]] crosses the line [[spoiler:when he blows up the Kirkwall Chantry, killing the Grand Cleric and many other innocent people]] in order to [[spoiler:destroy any chance of compromise between the Circle and the Templars]].
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*** [[spoiler:Anders]] crosses the line [[spoiler:when he blows up the Kirkwall Chantry, killing the Grand Cleric and many other innocent people]] in order to [[spoiler:destroy any chance of compromise between the Circle and the Templars]].Templars. It's implied that he is aware of this and will allow Hawke to kill him so that the innocents he killed will ''also'' be avenged.]]
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*** The DLC gives us Mattias Torres, a charismatic but [[InsaneAdmiral few-guns-short-of-a-Stonehenge]] Erusean Captain who initially seems ready to cross the MEH right off the bat [[spoiler:by intending to nuke the Osean capital of Oured, if not for his justification that such a horrible event would [[WellIntentionedExtremist end the war between Osea and Erusea,]] [[TheNeedsOfTheMany saving millions more.]] [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist However,]] as the battle with him drags on and his [[VillainousBreakdown sanity begins to erode,]] it becomes clear his ''real'' motivations for the attack have nothing to do with ending the war but are part of his [[NightmareFetishist fetishistic]] obsession for death and carnage, and really just wants to achieve the act of killing a million people from 5,000 kilometers away [[BloodKnight for his own satisfaction.]]]]
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*** The DLC gives us Mattias Matias Torres, a charismatic but [[InsaneAdmiral few-guns-short-of-a-Stonehenge]] Erusean Captain who initially seems ready to cross the MEH right off the bat [[spoiler:by intending to nuke the Osean capital of Oured, if not for his justification that such a horrible event would [[WellIntentionedExtremist end the war between Osea and Erusea,]] [[TheNeedsOfTheMany saving millions more.]] And he [[ISurrenderSuckers fakes his surrender]] to prepare the shot, taking advantage of the infighting amongst the OADF's Long Range Strategic Strike Group over whether they should fire anyway given Torres's ObviouslyEvil tendencies at this point, which Strider 3 "Jaeger" later points out is [[BeyondRedemption "the moment they quit being soldiers"]]. [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist However,]] as the battle with him drags on and his [[VillainousBreakdown sanity begins to erode,]] it becomes clear his ''real'' motivations for the attack have nothing to do with ending the war but are part of his [[NightmareFetishist fetishistic]] obsession for death and carnage, and really just wants to achieve the act of killing a million people from 5,000 kilometers away [[BloodKnight for his own satisfaction.]]]]
