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** In [[Recap/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaEpisode09IdNeverAllowThatToHappen episode 9]], which [[spoiler:takes place in the main timeline (known as Timeline 5 by the Puella Magi Wiki)]], it is revealed that he is responsible for the conflict because [[WellIntentionedExtremist they need an effective system to prolong the universe' lifespan]]. However, he proves to have [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk no remorse about using morally reprehensible methods]] to enforce said system, particularly by tricking [[spoiler:Kyoko]] into believing that [[spoiler:Sayaka could be saved after turning into a witch, thereby leading to her HeroicSacrifice]] and leaving Homura as the only magical girl to fight Walpurgisnacht - all in hopes that [[spoiler:Madoka would contract with him]].

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** In [[Recap/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaEpisode09IdNeverAllowThatToHappen episode 9]], which [[spoiler:takes place in the main timeline (known as Timeline 5 by the Puella Magi Wiki)]], it is revealed that he is responsible for the conflict because [[WellIntentionedExtremist they need an effective efficient system to prolong the universe' lifespan]]. lifespan]], so he doesn't cross it [[spoiler:by tricking the magical girls into signing the contracts that condemn them to potential witching out nor with his complicity in Charlotte's [[HeroKiller killing of Mami]], H.N. Elly's mass PsychicAsssistedSuicide, or Walpurgisnacht's mass destruction of Mitakihara]]. However, he proves to have crosses it by the end of the episode with his [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk no lack of remorse about using morally reprehensible needlessly malicious methods]] to enforce said system, particularly by tricking [[spoiler:Kyoko]] into believing that [[spoiler:Sayaka could be saved after turning into a witch, thereby leading to her HeroicSacrifice]] and leaving Homura as the only magical girl to fight Walpurgisnacht - all in hopes that [[spoiler:Madoka would contract with him]].



** If his counterpart in the Magia Record universe didn't cross it by [[spoiler:inciting a [[LetsYouAndHimFight turf war amongst the magical girls]] during Arc 2]], then he cements himself as the worst among his own versions by boldly [[spoiler:activating the Neo-Magius' MindRape device that causes everyone to witch out despite their leader Himena's reservations]].

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** If his counterpart in the Magia Record universe didn't cross it by [[spoiler:inciting a [[LetsYouAndHimFight turf war amongst the magical girls]] during Arc 2]], then he cements himself as the worst among his own versions by boldly [[spoiler:activating [[spoiler:seizing control of the Neo-Magius' MindRape device that causes everyone to witch out despite their leader Himena's reservations]].Automatic Purification System, potentially putting the magical girls in danger of witching out]].



** The franchise's witches tend to have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality bizarre]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist even benevolent]] motivations, and [[spoiler:are even forced to MercyKill humans to spare them from the FateWorseThanDeath of being enslaved to the Incubators]]. And then there's [[spoiler:Isabeau de Bavière, a Witch-Incubator hybrid whose purpose is to annihilate France, an entire country, and actually came into existence thanks to the {{greed}}y desire of her magical girl - a.k.a. "[[RedBaron The Woman Who Sold Her Country]]" - to invade France. These facts make her the only known witch capable of crossing the MEH]], and she does so by [[PlayingWithFire incinerating]] [[ManOnFire several spectators]] at Charles VII's coronation.

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** The franchise's witches tend to have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality bizarre]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist even benevolent]] motivations, and [[spoiler:are even forced to MercyKill humans to spare them from the FateWorseThanDeath of being enslaved to the Incubators]]. And then there's [[spoiler:Isabeau de Bavière, a Witch-Incubator hybrid whose purpose is to annihilate France, an entire country, and actually came into existence thanks to the {{greed}}y desire of her magical girl - a.k.a. "[[RedBaron The Woman Who Sold Her Country]]" - to invade France. These facts make her the only known witch capable of crossing the MEH]], and she does so by [[PlayingWithFire incinerating]] [[ManOnFire several spectators]] at Charles VII's coronation.



** The [[AdaptationalVillainy anime version]] of Alina Gray crosses it when she [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream backstabs Touka and Nemu]] and fuses with Embryo Eve so as to obtain Walpurgisnacht's power, with the unambiguous intent to KillAllHumans by turning them into magical girls, knowing they would be [[LockedOutOfTheLoop completely unaware that Grief Seeds are needed to purify their Soul Gems]], effectively condemning them to witchification]]. And her reason for her plan: [[spoiler:to put on a show [[ItsAllAboutMe she wants to be remembered for]]]]. Since it's already clear-cut from the franchise's mythos that [[spoiler:witches are [[AndIMustScream well-aware of their suffering]]]], her plan and motive make her much worse than [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Walpurgisnacht]] and [[DarkMessiah Kriemhild Gretchen]] (who want to eliminate suffering for [[WellIntentionedExtremist their own twisted reasons]]), as does the fact that she is far more happy to [[spoiler:throw away her humanity than any magical girl on the brink of witching out]].

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** The [[AdaptationalVillainy anime version]] of Alina Gray crosses it when she [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream backstabs Touka and Nemu]] and fuses with Embryo Eve so as to obtain Walpurgisnacht's power, with the unambiguous intent to KillAllHumans by turning them into magical girls, knowing they would be [[LockedOutOfTheLoop completely unaware that Grief Seeds are needed to purify their Soul Gems]], effectively condemning them to witchification]]. And her reason for her plan: [[spoiler:to put on a make an art show [[ItsAllAboutMe she wants to be remembered for]]]]. Since it's already clear-cut from the franchise's mythos that [[spoiler:witches are [[AndIMustScream well-aware of their suffering]]]], her plan and motive make her much worse than [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Walpurgisnacht]] and [[DarkMessiah Kriemhild Gretchen]] (who want to eliminate suffering for [[WellIntentionedExtremist their own twisted reasons]]), as does the fact that she is far more happy to [[spoiler:throw away her humanity than any magical girl on the brink of witching out]].

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MoralEventHorizon in Although the ''Franchise/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' franchise.franchise is about the hunt for [[OurWitchesAreDifferent weird-looking witches]], they're actually [[NonMaliciousMonster non-malicious creatures]] who can't be blamed for all the suffering they have caused people. The same, however, can't be said about other species, [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters even humans]], and these villains definitely manage to [[MoralEventHorizon cross the line]].



* The fandom is divided on Kyubey, the franchise's WeaselMascot, but [[spoiler:some of his timeline incarnations have their own MoralEventHorizon crossings]]:
** [[spoiler:The Timeline 5 (main timeline)]] Kyubey [[spoiler:misled Kyoko into believing that Sayaka could be saved after turning into a witch, thereby leading to her HeroicSacrifice and leaving Homura as the only magical girl to fight Walpurgisnacht - all in hopes that Madoka would contract with him]],
** [[spoiler:When the Timeline 4 Madoka becomes a witch powerful enough to destroy the Earth, the Timeline 4 Kyubey doesn't care as [[YouHaveOutLivedYourUsefulness he got enough energy from humanity]] to halt entropy]].

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* The fandom is divided on Kyubey, the franchise's WeaselMascot, Incubator HiveMind, who [[spoiler:takes on the form of the WeaselMascot Kyubey when interacting with magical girls]], but [[spoiler:some some of his timeline continuity incarnations have their own MoralEventHorizon crossings]]:
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** [[spoiler:The In [[Recap/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaEpisode09IdNeverAllowThatToHappen episode 9]], which [[spoiler:takes place in the main timeline (known as Timeline 5 (main timeline)]] Kyubey [[spoiler:misled Kyoko by the Puella Magi Wiki)]], it is revealed that he is responsible for the conflict because [[WellIntentionedExtremist they need an effective system to prolong the universe' lifespan]]. However, he proves to have [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk no remorse about using morally reprehensible methods]] to enforce said system, particularly by tricking [[spoiler:Kyoko]] into believing that Sayaka [[spoiler:Sayaka could be saved after turning into a witch, thereby leading to her HeroicSacrifice HeroicSacrifice]] and leaving Homura as the only magical girl to fight Walpurgisnacht - all in hopes that Madoka [[spoiler:Madoka would contract with him]],
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** [[spoiler:When the Timeline 4 Madoka Madoka]] becomes a witch powerful enough to destroy the Earth, the Timeline [[spoiler:Timeline 4 Kyubey Kyubey]] [[MurderByInaction doesn't care about humanity's fate]] as [[YouHaveOutLivedYourUsefulness he got enough energy from humanity]] them]] to halt entropy]].entropy.



** If his counterpart in the Magia Record universe didn't cross it by [[spoiler:inciting a [[LetsYouAndHimFight turf war amongst the magical girls]] during Arc 2]], then he cements himself as the worst among his own versions by boldly [[spoiler:activating the Neo-Magius' MindRape device that causes everyone to witch out despite their leader Himena's reservations]].



* [[spoiler:Kyoko's father killing his entire family after finding out that his older daughter's wish was the only reason for his popularity, and then killing himself too. Kyoko survived but ended up bitter and amoral]].

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* [[spoiler:Kyoko's [[spoiler:Kyoko]]'s father killing his entire family after finding out that his older daughter's wish was the only reason for his popularity, and then killing himself too. Kyoko [[spoiler:Kyoko survived but ended up bitter and amoral]].



* ''Manga/PuellaMagiSuzuneMagica'': If her previous actions weren't already enough, then [[spoiler:Kagari]] admitting that she made her revenge on [[spoiler:Suzune]] so convoluted was because it would be more ''fun'' for herself is what does it.

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* ''Manga/PuellaMagiSuzuneMagica'': If her previous actions weren't already enough, then [[spoiler:Kagari]] admitting that she made her revenge on [[spoiler:Suzune]] so convoluted was because it would be more ''fun'' for herself is what does it.



** [[spoiler:Kyoko's father]] is not the franchise's only AbusiveParent to cross the line. [[spoiler:"Nagisa's Wish", Nagisa Momoe]]'s backstory event, reveals that [[spoiler:Nagisa]]'s mother crossed it by demanding that her daughter use her one wish required to become a magical girl to murder everyone for the former's sake for no apparent reason (even if they're done nothing to her) instead of curing her illness. Given that this caused her daughter to instead make a spiteful wish and to some extent [[spoiler:led her to [[TragicMonster witch out]] and kill Mami in the [[Recap/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaEpisode03ImNotAfraidOfAnythingAnymore original series' third episode]]]], she definitely deserved to [[GuttedLikeAFish have her organs stolen]] in the end of the story.

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** [[spoiler:Kyoko's father]] [[spoiler:Kyoko]]'s father is not the franchise's only AbusiveParent to cross the line. [[spoiler:"Nagisa's Wish", [[spoiler:[[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion Nagisa Momoe]]'s Momoe]]]]'s backstory event, [[spoiler:"[[Recap/MagiaRecordPuellaMagiMadokaMagicaSideStoryNagisasWish Nagisa's Wish]]"]], reveals that [[spoiler:Nagisa]]'s her mother crossed it by demanding that her daughter use her one wish required to become a magical girl to murder everyone for the former's sake for no apparent reason (even if they're done nothing to her) instead of curing her illness. Given that this caused her daughter to instead make a spiteful wish and to some extent [[spoiler:led her to [[TragicMonster witch out]] and kill Mami in the [[Recap/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaEpisode03ImNotAfraidOfAnythingAnymore original series' third episode]]]], she definitely deserved to [[GuttedLikeAFish have her organs stolen]] by an amnesiac serial killer in the end of the story.

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** Minou crosses it by [[spoiler: [[KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil murdering her own sister Corbeau]] after the latter says that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes she loves her sisters]], even going as far to cover up her involvement in Corbeau's death from Lapin and frame Tart and friends for it]].
** The franchise's witches tend to have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality bizarre]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist even benevolent]] motivations, and [[spoiler:are even forced to MercyKill humans to spare them from the FateWorseThanDeath of being enslaved to the Incubators]]. And then there's [[spoiler:Isabeau de Bavière, a Witch-Incubator hybrid whose purpose is to annihilate France, an entire country, and actually came into existence thanks to the {{greed}}y desire of her magical girl - a.k.a. "[[RedBaron The Woman Who Sold Her Country]]" - to invade France. These facts make her the only witch capable of crossing the MEH]], and she does so by [[PlayingWithFire incinerating]] [[ManOnFire several spectators]] at Charles VII's coronation.
* ''VideoGame/MagiaRecordPuellaMagiMadokaMagicaSideStory'': The [[AdaptationalVillainy anime version]] of Alina Gray crosses it when she [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream backstabs Touka and Nemu]] and fuses with Embryo Eve so as to obtain Walpurgisnacht's power, with the unambiguous intent to KillAllHumans by turning them into magical girls, knowing they would be [[LockedOutOfTheLoop completely unaware that Grief Seeds are needed to purify their Soul Gems]], effectively condemning them to witchification]]. And her reason for her plan: [[spoiler:to put on a show [[ItsAllAboutMe she wants to be remembered for]]]]. Since it's already clear-cut from the franchise's mythos that [[spoiler:witches are [[AndIMustScream well-aware of their suffering]]]], her plan and motive make her much worse than [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Walpurgisnacht]] and [[DarkMessiah Kreimhild Gretchen]] (who want to eliminate suffering for [[WellIntentionedExtremist their own twisted reasons]]), as does the fact that she is far more happy to [[spoiler:throw away her humanity than any magical girl on the brink of witching out]].

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** Minou crosses it by [[spoiler: [[KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil murdering her own sister Corbeau]] after the latter says that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes she loves her sisters]], even going as far to cover up her involvement convince Lapin that only Tart and friends were involved in Corbeau's death from Lapin death]]. To make matters worse, ''Magia Record'' reveals that this was because [[spoiler:Corbeau realized how severe Isabeau's corruption was]] and frame Tart thus wanted the three to [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere flee the conflict between England and friends for it]].
France]] - in other words, a HeelFaceDoorSlam.
** The franchise's witches tend to have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality bizarre]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist even benevolent]] motivations, and [[spoiler:are even forced to MercyKill humans to spare them from the FateWorseThanDeath of being enslaved to the Incubators]]. And then there's [[spoiler:Isabeau de Bavière, a Witch-Incubator hybrid whose purpose is to annihilate France, an entire country, and actually came into existence thanks to the {{greed}}y desire of her magical girl - a.k.a. "[[RedBaron The Woman Who Sold Her Country]]" - to invade France. These facts make her the only known witch capable of crossing the MEH]], and she does so by [[PlayingWithFire incinerating]] [[ManOnFire several spectators]] at Charles VII's coronation.
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** [[spoiler:Kyoko's father]] is not the franchise's only AbusiveParent to cross the line. [[spoiler:"Nagisa's Wish", Nagisa Momoe]]'s backstory event, reveals that [[spoiler:Nagisa]]'s mother crossed it by demanding that her daughter use her one wish required to become a magical girl to murder everyone for the former's sake for no apparent reason (even if they're done nothing to her) instead of curing her illness. Given that this caused her daughter to instead make a spiteful wish and to some extent [[spoiler:led her to [[TragicMonster witch out]] and kill Mami in the [[Recap/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaEpisode03ImNotAfraidOfAnythingAnymore original series' third episode]]]], she definitely deserved to [[GuttedLikeAFish have her organs stolen]] in the end of the story.
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The [[AdaptationalVillainy anime version]] of Alina Gray crosses it when she [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream backstabs Touka and Nemu]] and fuses with Embryo Eve so as to obtain Walpurgisnacht's power, with the unambiguous intent to KillAllHumans by turning them into magical girls, knowing they would be [[LockedOutOfTheLoop completely unaware that Grief Seeds are needed to purify their Soul Gems]], effectively condemning them to witchification]]. And her reason for her plan: [[spoiler:to put on a show [[ItsAllAboutMe she wants to be remembered for]]]]. Since it's already clear-cut from the franchise's mythos that [[spoiler:witches are [[AndIMustScream well-aware of their suffering]]]], her plan and motive make her much worse than [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Walpurgisnacht]] and [[DarkMessiah Kreimhild Kriemhild Gretchen]] (who want to eliminate suffering for [[WellIntentionedExtremist their own twisted reasons]]), as does the fact that she is far more happy to [[spoiler:throw away her humanity than any magical girl on the brink of witching out]].
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* ''VideoGame/MagiaRecordPuellaMagiMadokaMagicaSideStory'': The [[AdaptationalVillainy anime version]] of Alina Gray crosses it when she [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream backstabs Touka and Nemu]] and fuses with Embryo Eve so as to obtain Walpurgisnacht's power, with the unambiguous intent to KillAllHumans by turning them into magical girls, knowing they would be [[LockedOutOfTheLoop completely unaware that Grief Seeds are needed to purify their Soul Gems]], effectively condemning them to witchification]]. And her reason for her plan: [[spoiler:to put on a show [[ItsAllAboutMe she wants to be remembered for]]]]. Since it's already clear-cut from the franchise's mythos that [[spoiler:witches are [[AndIMustScream well-aware of their suffering]]]], her plan and motive makes her worse than [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Walpurgisnacht]] and [[DarkMessiah Kreimhild Gretchen]] (who want to eliminate suffering for [[WellIntentionedExtremist their own twisted reasons]]), as does the fact that she is far more happy to [[spoiler:throw away her humanity than any magical girl on the brink of witching out]].

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* ''VideoGame/MagiaRecordPuellaMagiMadokaMagicaSideStory'': The [[AdaptationalVillainy anime version]] of Alina Gray crosses it when she [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream backstabs Touka and Nemu]] and fuses with Embryo Eve so as to obtain Walpurgisnacht's power, with the unambiguous intent to KillAllHumans by turning them into magical girls, knowing they would be [[LockedOutOfTheLoop completely unaware that Grief Seeds are needed to purify their Soul Gems]], effectively condemning them to witchification]]. And her reason for her plan: [[spoiler:to put on a show [[ItsAllAboutMe she wants to be remembered for]]]]. Since it's already clear-cut from the franchise's mythos that [[spoiler:witches are [[AndIMustScream well-aware of their suffering]]]], her plan and motive makes make her much worse than [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Walpurgisnacht]] and [[DarkMessiah Kreimhild Gretchen]] (who want to eliminate suffering for [[WellIntentionedExtremist their own twisted reasons]]), as does the fact that she is far more happy to [[spoiler:throw away her humanity than any magical girl on the brink of witching out]].
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** The franchise's witches tend to have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality bizarre]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist even benevolent]] motivations, and [[spoiler:are even forced to MercyKill humans to spare them from the FateWorseThanDeath of being enslaved to the Incubators]]. And then there's [[spoiler:Isabeau de Bavière, a Witch-Incubator hybrid whose purpose is to annihilate France, an entire country, and actually came into existence thanks to the {{greed}}y desire of her magical girl - a.k.a. "[[RedBaron The Woman Who Sold Her Country]]" - to invade France]]. In fact, she crosses the line by [[PlayingWithFire incinerating]] [[ManOnFire several spectators]] at Charles VII's coronation.
* ''VideoGame/MagiaRecordPuellaMagiMadokaMagicaSideStory'': The [[AdaptationalVillainy anime version]] of Alina Gray crosses it when she [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream backstabs the Wings of the Magius]] and fuses with Embryo Eve so as to obtain Walpurgisnacht's power, with the unambiguous intent to KillAllHumans by turning them into magical girls, knowing they would be [[LockedOutOfTheLoop completely unaware that Grief Seeds are needed to purify their Soul Gems]], effectively condemning them to witchification. And her reason for her plan: doing it for its own sake.]] As soon as she proves herself to be far more happy to [[spoiler:throw away her humanity than any magical girl on the brink of witching out]], there is virtually no doubt that she has even less of a heart or a soul than the witches themselves.

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** The franchise's witches tend to have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality bizarre]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist even benevolent]] motivations, and [[spoiler:are even forced to MercyKill humans to spare them from the FateWorseThanDeath of being enslaved to the Incubators]]. And then there's [[spoiler:Isabeau de Bavière, a Witch-Incubator hybrid whose purpose is to annihilate France, an entire country, and actually came into existence thanks to the {{greed}}y desire of her magical girl - a.k.a. "[[RedBaron The Woman Who Sold Her Country]]" - to invade France]]. In fact, France. These facts make her the only witch capable of crossing the MEH]], and she crosses the line does so by [[PlayingWithFire incinerating]] [[ManOnFire several spectators]] at Charles VII's coronation.
* ''VideoGame/MagiaRecordPuellaMagiMadokaMagicaSideStory'': The [[AdaptationalVillainy anime version]] of Alina Gray crosses it when she [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream backstabs the Wings of the Magius]] Touka and Nemu]] and fuses with Embryo Eve so as to obtain Walpurgisnacht's power, with the unambiguous intent to KillAllHumans by turning them into magical girls, knowing they would be [[LockedOutOfTheLoop completely unaware that Grief Seeds are needed to purify their Soul Gems]], effectively condemning them to witchification. witchification]]. And her reason for her plan: doing it for its own sake.]] As soon as [[spoiler:to put on a show [[ItsAllAboutMe she proves herself wants to be remembered for]]]]. Since it's already clear-cut from the franchise's mythos that [[spoiler:witches are [[AndIMustScream well-aware of their suffering]]]], her plan and motive makes her worse than [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Walpurgisnacht]] and [[DarkMessiah Kreimhild Gretchen]] (who want to eliminate suffering for [[WellIntentionedExtremist their own twisted reasons]]), as does the fact that she is far more happy to [[spoiler:throw away her humanity than any magical girl on the brink of witching out]], there is virtually no doubt that she has even less of a heart or a soul than the witches themselves.out]].
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* ''VideoGame/MagiaRecordPuellaMagiMadokaMagicaSideStory'': The [[AdaptationalVillainy anime version]] of Alina Gray crosses it when she [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream backstabs the Wings of the Magius]] and fuses with Embryo Eve so as to obtain Walpurgisnacht's power, with the unambiguous intent to KillAllHumans by turning them into magical girls, knowing they would be [[LockedOutOfTheLoop completely unaware that Grief Seeds are needed to purify their Soul Gems]], effectively condemning them to witchification. And her reason for her plan: DoingItForTheArt.]] As soon as she proves herself to be far more happy to [[spoiler:throw away her humanity than any magical girl on the brink of witching out]], there is virtually no doubt that she has even less of a heart or a soul than the witches themselves.

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* ''VideoGame/MagiaRecordPuellaMagiMadokaMagicaSideStory'': The [[AdaptationalVillainy anime version]] of Alina Gray crosses it when she [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream backstabs the Wings of the Magius]] and fuses with Embryo Eve so as to obtain Walpurgisnacht's power, with the unambiguous intent to KillAllHumans by turning them into magical girls, knowing they would be [[LockedOutOfTheLoop completely unaware that Grief Seeds are needed to purify their Soul Gems]], effectively condemning them to witchification. And her reason for her plan: DoingItForTheArt.doing it for its own sake.]] As soon as she proves herself to be far more happy to [[spoiler:throw away her humanity than any magical girl on the brink of witching out]], there is virtually no doubt that she has even less of a heart or a soul than the witches themselves.
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** If Yuuri didn't cross it in Chapter 3 with her attack on Kazumi, she definitely does so in Chapter 4 with the revelation that she [[spoiler:implanted Evil Nuts - fake Grief Seeds which create pseudo-witches bent on wreaking havoc - on innocent people.]]

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** If Yuuri Airi didn't cross it in Chapter 3 with her attack on Kazumi, she definitely does so in Chapter 4 with the revelation that she [[spoiler:implanted Evil Nuts - fake Grief Seeds which create pseudo-witches bent on wreaking havoc - on innocent people.]]
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** The franchise's witches tend to have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality bizarre]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist even benevolent]] motivations, and [[spoiler:are even forced to MercyKill humans to spare them from the FateWorseThanDeath of being enslaved to the Incubators]]. And then there's [[spoiler:Isabeau de Bavière, a Witch-Incubator hybrid whose purpose is to annihilate France, an entire country, and actually came into existence thanks to the {{greed}}y desire of her magical girl - a.k.a. "[[RedBaron The Woman Who Sold Her Country]]" - to invade France]].

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** The franchise's witches tend to have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality bizarre]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist even benevolent]] motivations, and [[spoiler:are even forced to MercyKill humans to spare them from the FateWorseThanDeath of being enslaved to the Incubators]]. And then there's [[spoiler:Isabeau de Bavière, a Witch-Incubator hybrid whose purpose is to annihilate France, an entire country, and actually came into existence thanks to the {{greed}}y desire of her magical girl - a.k.a. "[[RedBaron The Woman Who Sold Her Country]]" - to invade France]]. In fact, she crosses the line by [[PlayingWithFire incinerating]] [[ManOnFire several spectators]] at Charles VII's coronation.
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* ''VideoGame/MagiaRecordPuellaMagiMadokaMagicaSideStory'': The [[AdaptationalVillainy anime version]] of Alina Gray crosses it when she [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream backstabs the Wings of the Magius]] and fuses with Embryo Eve so as to obtain Walpurgisnacht's power, with the unambiguous intent to KillAllHumans by turning them into magical girls, knowing they would be [[LockedOutOfTheLoop completely unaware that Grief Seeds are needed to purify their Soul Gems]] and therefore turn into witches. And her reason for doing all this? DoingItForTheArt.]] As soon as she proves herself to be far more happy to [[spoiler:throw away her humanity than any magical girl on the brink of witching out]], there is virtually no doubt that she has even less of a heart or a soul than the witches themselves.

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* ''VideoGame/MagiaRecordPuellaMagiMadokaMagicaSideStory'': The [[AdaptationalVillainy anime version]] of Alina Gray crosses it when she [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream backstabs the Wings of the Magius]] and fuses with Embryo Eve so as to obtain Walpurgisnacht's power, with the unambiguous intent to KillAllHumans by turning them into magical girls, knowing they would be [[LockedOutOfTheLoop completely unaware that Grief Seeds are needed to purify their Soul Gems]] and therefore turn into witches. Gems]], effectively condemning them to witchification. And her reason for doing all this? her plan: DoingItForTheArt.]] As soon as she proves herself to be far more happy to [[spoiler:throw away her humanity than any magical girl on the brink of witching out]], there is virtually no doubt that she has even less of a heart or a soul than the witches themselves.
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** The suggestions from the end of the anime that Incubators and humans can somewhat coexist are completely annihilated by the end of the movie: [[spoiler:The Timeline 6 Kyubey's actions, which are actively malicious toward the girls rather than apathetic as they were in the show and cruel even by his standards combined with his willingness to screw over the Law of Cycles (which was giving him exactly what he wanted, just not quite as efficiently) and bring back the witch system drives it home that that he is ultimately humanity's enemy, and is fully willing to destroy the peaceful relationship the instant he benefits from doing so, simply for the sake of being able to acquire more energy more efficiently.]]
* [[spoiler:Homura crossed it for more than a couple of fans in her betrayal of Madoka and establishing herself as a devil figure, particularly the part where she erases everyone's memories. Counts in-universe, as Sayaka declares that [[ThisIsUnforgivable she'll always remember Homura as a demon for it.]]]]

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** The suggestions from the end of the anime that Incubators and humans can somewhat coexist are completely annihilated by the end of the movie: ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagicaTheMovieRebellion'': [[spoiler:The Timeline 6 Kyubey's actions, which are actively malicious toward the girls rather than apathetic as they were in the show and cruel even by his standards combined with his willingness to screw over the Law of Cycles (which was giving him exactly what he wanted, just not quite as efficiently) and bring back the witch system drives it home that that he is ultimately humanity's enemy, and is fully willing to destroy the peaceful relationship the instant he benefits from doing so, simply for the sake of being able to acquire more energy more efficiently.]]
* Speaking of ''Rebellion'', [[spoiler:Homura crossed it for more than a couple of fans in her betrayal of Madoka and establishing herself as a devil figure, particularly the part where she erases everyone's memories. Counts in-universe, as Sayaka declares that [[ThisIsUnforgivable she'll always remember Homura as a demon for it.]]]]
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Adding from MoralEventHorizon/AnimeAndManga and respective YMMV pages. Since MEH can only be crossed once, I am accounting for each timeline's Kyubey.

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MoralEventHorizon in the ''Franchise/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' franchise.
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* The fandom is divided on Kyubey, the franchise's WeaselMascot, but [[spoiler:some of his timeline incarnations have their own MoralEventHorizon crossings]]:
** [[spoiler:The Timeline 5 (main timeline)]] Kyubey [[spoiler:misled Kyoko into believing that Sayaka could be saved after turning into a witch, thereby leading to her HeroicSacrifice and leaving Homura as the only magical girl to fight Walpurgisnacht - all in hopes that Madoka would contract with him]],
** [[spoiler:When the Timeline 4 Madoka becomes a witch powerful enough to destroy the Earth, the Timeline 4 Kyubey doesn't care as [[YouHaveOutLivedYourUsefulness he got enough energy from humanity]] to halt entropy]].
** The suggestions from the end of the anime that Incubators and humans can somewhat coexist are completely annihilated by the end of the movie: [[spoiler:The Timeline 6 Kyubey's actions, which are actively malicious toward the girls rather than apathetic as they were in the show and cruel even by his standards combined with his willingness to screw over the Law of Cycles (which was giving him exactly what he wanted, just not quite as efficiently) and bring back the witch system drives it home that that he is ultimately humanity's enemy, and is fully willing to destroy the peaceful relationship the instant he benefits from doing so, simply for the sake of being able to acquire more energy more efficiently.]]
* [[spoiler:Homura crossed it for more than a couple of fans in her betrayal of Madoka and establishing herself as a devil figure, particularly the part where she erases everyone's memories. Counts in-universe, as Sayaka declares that [[ThisIsUnforgivable she'll always remember Homura as a demon for it.]]]]
* [[spoiler:Kyoko's father killing his entire family after finding out that his older daughter's wish was the only reason for his popularity, and then killing himself too. Kyoko survived but ended up bitter and amoral]].
* ''Manga/PuellaMagiKazumiMagica'':
** If Yuuri didn't cross it in Chapter 3 with her attack on Kazumi, she definitely does so in Chapter 4 with the revelation that she [[spoiler:implanted Evil Nuts - fake Grief Seeds which create pseudo-witches bent on wreaking havoc - on innocent people.]]
** The Souju twins cross it by [[spoiler:throwing Evil Nuts at Niko and Kazumi, which would have turned them into pseudo-witches if it wasn't for Saki's intervening.]]
* In ''Manga/PuellaMagiOrikoMagica'' [[spoiler:Kirika Kure]] may have crossed it when she [[spoiler:released a Charlotte-like witch in the cast's school, which proceeded to eat Kazuko-sensei alive and slaughter many other innocent students.]]
* ''Manga/PuellaMagiSuzuneMagica'': If her previous actions weren't already enough, then [[spoiler:Kagari]] admitting that she made her revenge on [[spoiler:Suzune]] so convoluted was because it would be more ''fun'' for herself is what does it.
* ''Manga/PuellaMagiTartMagica''
** Minou crosses it by [[spoiler: [[KinslayingIsASpecialKindOfEvil murdering her own sister Corbeau]] after the latter says that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes she loves her sisters]], even going as far to cover up her involvement in Corbeau's death from Lapin and frame Tart and friends for it]].
** The franchise's witches tend to have [[BlueAndOrangeMorality bizarre]] and [[WellIntentionedExtremist even benevolent]] motivations, and [[spoiler:are even forced to MercyKill humans to spare them from the FateWorseThanDeath of being enslaved to the Incubators]]. And then there's [[spoiler:Isabeau de Bavière, a Witch-Incubator hybrid whose purpose is to annihilate France, an entire country, and actually came into existence thanks to the {{greed}}y desire of her magical girl - a.k.a. "[[RedBaron The Woman Who Sold Her Country]]" - to invade France]].
* ''VideoGame/MagiaRecordPuellaMagiMadokaMagicaSideStory'': The [[AdaptationalVillainy anime version]] of Alina Gray crosses it when she [[spoiler:[[TheStarscream backstabs the Wings of the Magius]] and fuses with Embryo Eve so as to obtain Walpurgisnacht's power, with the unambiguous intent to KillAllHumans by turning them into magical girls, knowing they would be [[LockedOutOfTheLoop completely unaware that Grief Seeds are needed to purify their Soul Gems]] and therefore turn into witches. And her reason for doing all this? DoingItForTheArt.]] As soon as she proves herself to be far more happy to [[spoiler:throw away her humanity than any magical girl on the brink of witching out]], there is virtually no doubt that she has even less of a heart or a soul than the witches themselves.

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