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** [[spoiler:Toru]] might have already done it at various points, though most of it was due to the effects of Calamity influenced by his stand Wonder of U rather than him doing the deed directly. But he definitely crossed it when he attempts to [[spoiler:perform the EquivalentExchange on [[KickTheMoralityPet Yasuho]] to heal his own mangled body at the cost of hers]].
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** [[spoiler:Toru]] [[spoiler:Tooru]] might have already done it at various points, though most of it was due to the effects of Calamity influenced by his stand Wonder of U rather than him doing the deed directly. But he definitely crossed it when he attempts to [[spoiler:perform the EquivalentExchange on [[KickTheMoralityPet Yasuho]] to heal his own mangled body at the cost of hers]].
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** Benjamin Boom Boom ''purposely'' shooting his son Andre to get his [[MagnetismManipulation magnetic blood]] on the heroes and showing zero empathy as he's literally dying.
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->''"Earlier, I saw [[VillainousValour nobility and resolve that was hardened like a diamond, shining in your eyes]]. But you've fallen. Now you're just a piece of shit."''
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* ''LightNovel/JoJosBizarreAdventureOverHeaven'': While DIO could tolerate Dario's abusive behavior to some degree, DIO notes that it was his selling of DIO's mother's dress that cemented his desire to kill him.
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* ''LightNovel/JoJosBizarreAdventureOverHeaven'': ''Literature/JoJosBizarreAdventureOverHeaven'': While DIO could tolerate Dario's abusive behavior to some degree, DIO notes that it was his selling of DIO's mother's dress that cemented his desire to kill him.
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->''"Earlier, I saw [[VillainousValour nobility and resolve that was hardened like a diamond, shining in your eyes]]. But you've fallen. Now you're just a piece of shit."''
-->--'''Bruno Bucciarati''' to Pesci, ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureGoldenWind''
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** [[PsychopathicManchild Terence T. D'Arby]] is another one who crosses it before the events of the Part, when he imprisons the souls of countless victims inside dolls that he keeps as still-living trophies. Making it even worse is how he not only plays dress-up with them (including the female dolls) and is shown suggestively fondling [[spoiler:Kakyoin's doll]], but also in how he enjoys seeing their minds break over time.
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** [[PsychopathicManchild Terence Telence T. D'Arby]] is another one who crosses it before the events of the Part, when he imprisons the souls of countless victims inside dolls that he keeps as still-living trophies. Making it even worse is how he not only plays dress-up with them (including the female dolls) and is shown suggestively fondling [[spoiler:Kakyoin's doll]], but also in how he enjoys seeing their minds break over time.
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** [[{{Sadist}} J. Geil]] crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping]] and murdering Polnareff's sister, Cherie.
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** [[{{Sadist}} J. Geil]] crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping]] and murdering Polnareff's sister, Cherie.Sherry.
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** If you for some reason didn't feel DIO crossed the line back in ''Phantom Blood'', you probably feel he did when he forces Senator Phillips to drive over a sidewalk full of people. And if you ''somehow'' don't feel he's crossed the line yet, him [[spoiler:killing Kakyoin]] was probably the last straw.
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** If you for some reason you didn't feel DIO crossed the line back in ''Phantom Blood'', you probably feel he did when he forces Senator Phillips to drive over a sidewalk full of people. And if you ''somehow'' don't feel he's crossed the line yet, him [[spoiler:killing Kakyoin]] was probably the last straw.
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** Assuming it was [[spoiler: Doppio's actions and not Diavolo's at the time,]] then the former definitely crosses it when he [[spoiler: murders Abbacchio.]]
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** Assuming it was [[spoiler: Doppio's [[spoiler:Doppio's actions and not Diavolo's at the time,]] time]], then the former definitely crosses crossed it when he [[spoiler: murders Abbacchio.]]
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** Kenzo crossed it back when he was still a cult leader, manipulating over 30 people into ''burning themselves alive.''
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* ''LightNovel/JoJosBizarreAdventureOverHeaven'': While DIO could tolerate Dario's abusive behavior to some degree, DIO notes that it was his selling of DIO's mother's dress that cemented his desire to kill him.
* ''VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureThe7thStandUser'':
** J. Geil crosses it when he [[spoiler: seemingly]] kills Abdul/the protagonist, and then reveals he crossed it years ago when he raped and killed Polnareff's sister. And then there's the scene with the beggars...
** Vins somehow manages to cross it several times. She does it once when she kills DJ Inc and Raul, leaving [[BrokenBird Alice]] without anyone to care for her. She does it again when she [[spoiler:kills Berlin and Alicia in the first Everybody Lives ending]]. She does it a third time by [[spoiler: killing the protagonist in advance in Josuke's playthrough, which leads Alicia, Berlin and Steel to use the corpse, their powers and a disc containing Crazy Diamond to make a clone of Josuke]] and a fourth time in [[spoiler: Josuke's playthrough, where if you get the bad ending by reading Path to Heaven, she'll lure him away to where she has Alicia and Berlin held captive then ''eaten alive'' by her zombies, gloating about how he's just made up of the dead Seventh Stand User, copied memories and soul and not even an actual person as he unravels from existence in despair.]]
** The Protagonist can cross this just by [[spoiler: siding with DIO. Then they cross it again each time they kill one of their allies or make one of them join DIO as well.]]
* ''VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureThe7thStandUser'':
** J. Geil crosses it when he [[spoiler: seemingly]] kills Abdul/the protagonist, and then reveals he crossed it years ago when he raped and killed Polnareff's sister. And then there's the scene with the beggars...
** Vins somehow manages to cross it several times. She does it once when she kills DJ Inc and Raul, leaving [[BrokenBird Alice]] without anyone to care for her. She does it again when she [[spoiler:kills Berlin and Alicia in the first Everybody Lives ending]]. She does it a third time by [[spoiler: killing the protagonist in advance in Josuke's playthrough, which leads Alicia, Berlin and Steel to use the corpse, their powers and a disc containing Crazy Diamond to make a clone of Josuke]] and a fourth time in [[spoiler: Josuke's playthrough, where if you get the bad ending by reading Path to Heaven, she'll lure him away to where she has Alicia and Berlin held captive then ''eaten alive'' by her zombies, gloating about how he's just made up of the dead Seventh Stand User, copied memories and soul and not even an actual person as he unravels from existence in despair.]]
** The Protagonist can cross this just by [[spoiler: siding with DIO. Then they cross it again each time they kill one of their allies or make one of them join DIO as well.]]
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* ''LightNovel/JoJosBizarreAdventureOverHeaven'': While DIO could tolerate Dario's abusive behavior to some degree, DIO notes that it was his selling of DIO's mother's dress that cemented his desire to kill him.
* ''VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureThe7thStandUser'':
** J. Geil crosses it when he [[spoiler: seemingly]] kills Abdul/the protagonist, and then reveals he crossed it years ago when he raped and killed Polnareff's sister. And then there's the scene with the beggars...
** Vins somehow manages to cross it several times. She does it once when she kills DJ Inc and Raul, leaving [[BrokenBird Alice]] without anyone to care for her. She does it again when she [[spoiler:kills Berlin and Alicia in the first Everybody Lives ending]]. She does it a third time by [[spoiler: killing the protagonist in advance in Josuke's playthrough, which leads Alicia, Berlin and Steel to use the corpse, their powers and a disc containing Crazy Diamond to make a clone of Josuke]] and a fourth time in [[spoiler: Josuke's playthrough, where if you get the bad ending by reading Path to Heaven, she'll lure him away to where she has Alicia and Berlin held captive then ''eaten alive'' by her zombies, gloating about how he's just made up of the dead Seventh Stand User, copied memories and soul and not even an actual person as he unravels from existence in despair.]]
** The Protagonist can cross this just by [[spoiler: siding with DIO. Then they cross it again each time they kill one of their allies or make one of them join DIO as well.]]him.
* ''VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureThe7thStandUser'':
** J. Geil crosses it when he [[spoiler: seemingly]] kills Abdul/the protagonist, and then reveals he crossed it years ago when he raped and killed Polnareff's sister. And then there's the scene with the beggars...
** Vins somehow manages to cross it several times. She does it once when she kills DJ Inc and Raul, leaving [[BrokenBird Alice]] without anyone to care for her. She does it again when she [[spoiler:kills Berlin and Alicia in the first Everybody Lives ending]]. She does it a third time by [[spoiler: killing the protagonist in advance in Josuke's playthrough, which leads Alicia, Berlin and Steel to use the corpse, their powers and a disc containing Crazy Diamond to make a clone of Josuke]] and a fourth time in [[spoiler: Josuke's playthrough, where if you get the bad ending by reading Path to Heaven, she'll lure him away to where she has Alicia and Berlin held captive then ''eaten alive'' by her zombies, gloating about how he's just made up of the dead Seventh Stand User, copied memories and soul and not even an actual person as he unravels from existence in despair.]]
** The Protagonist can cross this just by [[spoiler: siding with DIO. Then they cross it again each time they kill one of their allies or make one of them join DIO as well.]]
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** [[spoiler:Toru]] might have already done it at various points, though most of it was due to the effects of Calamity influenced by his stand Wonder of U rather than him doing the deed directly. But he definitely crossed it when he attempts to [[spoiler:perform the EquivalentExchange on [[KickTheMoralityPet Yasuho]] to heal his own mangled body at the cost of hers]].
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** [[spoiler:Toru]] might have already done it at various points, though most of it was due to the effects of Calamity influenced by his stand Wonder of U rather than him doing the deed directly. But he definitely crossed it when he attempts to [[spoiler:perform the EquivalentExchange on [[KickTheMoralityPet Yasuho]] to heal his own mangled body at the cost of hers]].hers]].
* ''LightNovel/JoJosBizarreAdventureOverHeaven'': While DIO could tolerate Dario's abusive behavior to some degree, DIO notes that it was his selling of DIO's mother's dress that cemented his desire to kill him.
* ''VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureThe7thStandUser'':
** J. Geil crosses it when he [[spoiler: seemingly]] kills Abdul/the protagonist, and then reveals he crossed it years ago when he raped and killed Polnareff's sister. And then there's the scene with the beggars...
** Vins somehow manages to cross it several times. She does it once when she kills DJ Inc and Raul, leaving [[BrokenBird Alice]] without anyone to care for her. She does it again when she [[spoiler:kills Berlin and Alicia in the first Everybody Lives ending]]. She does it a third time by [[spoiler: killing the protagonist in advance in Josuke's playthrough, which leads Alicia, Berlin and Steel to use the corpse, their powers and a disc containing Crazy Diamond to make a clone of Josuke]] and a fourth time in [[spoiler: Josuke's playthrough, where if you get the bad ending by reading Path to Heaven, she'll lure him away to where she has Alicia and Berlin held captive then ''eaten alive'' by her zombies, gloating about how he's just made up of the dead Seventh Stand User, copied memories and soul and not even an actual person as he unravels from existence in despair.]]
** The Protagonist can cross this just by [[spoiler: siding with DIO. Then they cross it again each time they kill one of their allies or make one of them join DIO as well.]]
* ''LightNovel/JoJosBizarreAdventureOverHeaven'': While DIO could tolerate Dario's abusive behavior to some degree, DIO notes that it was his selling of DIO's mother's dress that cemented his desire to kill him.
* ''VideoGame/JoJosBizarreAdventureThe7thStandUser'':
** J. Geil crosses it when he [[spoiler: seemingly]] kills Abdul/the protagonist, and then reveals he crossed it years ago when he raped and killed Polnareff's sister. And then there's the scene with the beggars...
** Vins somehow manages to cross it several times. She does it once when she kills DJ Inc and Raul, leaving [[BrokenBird Alice]] without anyone to care for her. She does it again when she [[spoiler:kills Berlin and Alicia in the first Everybody Lives ending]]. She does it a third time by [[spoiler: killing the protagonist in advance in Josuke's playthrough, which leads Alicia, Berlin and Steel to use the corpse, their powers and a disc containing Crazy Diamond to make a clone of Josuke]] and a fourth time in [[spoiler: Josuke's playthrough, where if you get the bad ending by reading Path to Heaven, she'll lure him away to where she has Alicia and Berlin held captive then ''eaten alive'' by her zombies, gloating about how he's just made up of the dead Seventh Stand User, copied memories and soul and not even an actual person as he unravels from existence in despair.]]
** The Protagonist can cross this just by [[spoiler: siding with DIO. Then they cross it again each time they kill one of their allies or make one of them join DIO as well.]]
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** Assuming it was [[spoiler: Doppio's actions and not Diavolo's at the time,]] then the former definitely crosses it when he [[spoiler: murders Abbacchio.]]
** The nameless detective from [[spoiler:Pucci and Weather's backstory might've crossed it before as being part of the KKK, but we see him definitely cross it when he instigates a riot and burns down the house of Weather's family, beats him up, and sexually assaults his girlfriend before deciding to hang him by the cliffside, causing Perla's suicide]].
** Dario crosses it when he attempts to murder [[OffingTheOffspring his son, Diego]] by drowning him. Even the Dario from the [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventurePhantomBlood original timeline]] never stooped ''that'' low.
** Benjamin Boom Boom ''purposely'' shooting his son Andre to get his [[MagnetismManipulation magnetic blood]] on the heroes and showing zero empathy as he's literally dying.
** Benjamin Boom Boom ''purposely'' shooting his son Andre to get his [[MagnetismManipulation magnetic blood]] on the heroes and showing zero empathy as he's literally dying.
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** [[SocialDarwinist Jobin Higashikata]] ''doesn't'' cross the line when he [[spoiler:kills Ojiro. After all, Ojiro came after him and his son, he was entirely in the right to take him out]]. However, he ''does'' cross the line when he [[spoiler:murders Ojiro's girlfriend, Makorin, out of suspicion that she may be a threat to him (she wasn't). He also states that he would have [[WouldHurtAChild murdered Makorin's daughter had she been a Stand User]]]]. If you don't feel he's crossed the line yet, you probably feel he did when he [[spoiler:attempts to murder Yasuho, even after Mitsuba tells him that Yasuho helped save her life]].
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** [[SocialDarwinist Jobin Higashikata]] ''doesn't'' cross the line when he [[spoiler:kills Ojiro. After all, Ojiro came after him and his son, he was entirely in the right to take him out]]. However, he ''does'' cross the line when he [[spoiler:murders Ojiro's girlfriend, Makorin, out of suspicion that she may be a threat to him (she wasn't). He also states that he would have [[WouldHurtAChild murdered Makorin's daughter had she been a Stand User]]]]. If you don't feel he's crossed the line yet, you probably feel he did when he [[spoiler:attempts to murder Yasuho, even after Mitsuba tells him that Yasuho helped save her life]].life]].
** [[spoiler:Toru]] might have already done it at various points, though most of it was due to the effects of Calamity influenced by his stand Wonder of U rather than him doing the deed directly. But he definitely crossed it when he attempts to [[spoiler:perform the EquivalentExchange on [[KickTheMoralityPet Yasuho]] to heal his own mangled body at the cost of hers]].
** [[spoiler:Toru]] might have already done it at various points, though most of it was due to the effects of Calamity influenced by his stand Wonder of U rather than him doing the deed directly. But he definitely crossed it when he attempts to [[spoiler:perform the EquivalentExchange on [[KickTheMoralityPet Yasuho]] to heal his own mangled body at the cost of hers]].
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* ''Manga/PhantomBlood'':
** [[AbusiveParents Dario Brando]] crossed the line ''before the series even began'', with the reveal that he had worked his wife to death just to have enough money to buy booze. There's a reason Dio's [[AssholeVictim murder of him]] is considered his one justifiable action.
** While [[BigBad Dio Brando]] makes it clear from his [[KickTheDog introduction]] that he is a horrible, '''horrible''' person, he crosses the line when he burns Jonathan's dog Danny to death [[EvilIsPetty out of spite]] after Jonathan beat him in a fight.
** [[TheBrute Tarkus]] crosses the line when he crushes [[NobleDemon Bruford]]'s remains while mocking him for his weakness. Though in Jonathan's eyes, him [[spoiler:killing [[TheMentor Zeppeli]]]] is this, as it's the exact moment Jonathan declares that all bets are off.
* ''Manga/BattleTendency'':
** [[spoiler:[[SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome Straizo]] crosses the line by betraying Speedwagon and leaving him to die in order to turn himself into a vampire]].
** In Joseph's eyes, [[FauxAffablyEvil Kars]] crosses the line when [[spoiler:he uses a body double during his fight against Lisa Lisa after having previously agreed to a fair fight, as it goes against the wishes of Kars' deceased friends, Esidisi and Wamuu]].
* ''Manga/StardustCrusaders'':
** While animals usually have the excuse of not having a sense of morality, animals with [[FightingSpirit Stands]] are granted enough intelligence to have one, so it's safe to say that [[ManiacMonkeys Forever]] crosses the line when he spies on and tries to sexually assault Anne, an underage girl, while she's in the shower.
** [[{{Sadist}} J. Geil]] crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping]] and murdering Polnareff's sister, Cherie.
** In the eyes of the Crusaders, [[SmugSnake Steely Dan]] crosses the line when he [[spoiler:[[CruelAndUnusualDeath brutally murders]] Enya on DIO's orders]]. It doesn't help that, unlike most of DIO's minions, who do what they do out of an UndyingLoyalty for him, Dan does it [[OnlyInItForTheMoney because he was paid to]].
** Similar to Forever, [[FeatheredFiend Pet Shop]] is granted enough intelligence by his Stand to have a sense of morality, so he quite clearly crosses the line by murdering two innocent dogs and then attempting to murder their owner, ''[[WouldHurtAChild a child]]'', as well.
** [[PsychopathicManchild Terence T. D'Arby]] is another one who crosses it before the events of the Part, when he imprisons the souls of countless victims inside dolls that he keeps as still-living trophies. Making it even worse is how he not only plays dress-up with them (including the female dolls) and is shown suggestively fondling [[spoiler:Kakyoin's doll]], but also in how he enjoys seeing their minds break over time.
** If [[TheDragon Vanilla Ice]] didn't cross the line by [[spoiler:killing Avdol]], he ''definitely'' did by [[spoiler:[[KickTheDog brutally kicking Iggy to death]] [[DisproportionateRetribution as retribution for Iggy forcing him to destroy a sand statue of DIO]]]].
** If you for some reason didn't feel DIO crossed the line back in ''Phantom Blood'', you probably feel he did when he forces Senator Phillips to drive over a sidewalk full of people. And if you ''somehow'' don't feel he's crossed the line yet, him [[spoiler:killing Kakyoin]] was probably the last straw.
* ''Manga/DiamondIsUnbreakable'':
** While [[SerialKiller Angelo]] definitely crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by [[DepravedBisexual raping two boys]] and murdering another, him [[spoiler:killing Ryohei and attempting to kill Tomoko]] is seen as the moment where he proves himself completely irredeemable. Notably, he's one of the few enemies Josuke doesn't [[DefeatMeansFriendship befriend after defeating]], and after what he's done, [[spoiler:Josuke giving him a FateWorseThanDeath is agreed to be [[AssholeVictim well deserved]]]].
** In Okuyasu's eyes, [[{{Jerkass}} Akira Otoishi]] crosses the line when he [[spoiler:murders Keicho and steals the [[MacGuffin Stand Arrow]], just as Okuyasu and Keicho were about to patch things up]].
** [[TheSociopath Yoshikage Kira]] crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by [[spoiler:murdering Reimi when she was only 16-years old, with the implication that he would have murdered 4-year old Rohan had Reimi not saved him. And of course, [[SerialKiller this was just his first of many, many murders]]]].
** In Josuke's eyes, [[PsychoForHire Terunosuke Miyamoto]] crosses the line when he kidnaps Tomoko and Koichi.
* ''Manga/GoldenWind'':
** [[AffablyEvil Prosciutto]] crosses the line when he activates [[RapidAging The Grateful Dead]] on a train to flush out Team Bucciarati, despite knowing that doing so will cause a number of civilian casualties.
** In Bruno's eyes, [[AntiVillain Pesci]] crosses the line when he tries to murder the rest of Team Bucciarati out of spite, as it's the moment Bruno loses any and all sympathy and respect for him.
** [[LackOfEmpathy Melone]] crosses the line when [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything he uses a random woman as a host for]] [[EnfantTerrible Baby Face's Junior]], then has her disposed of once she's no longer needed. Not helping things is the implication that he's done this many times before, and had Giorno not taken him down, he would have done it again.
** [[spoiler:[[TheDon Diavolo]] seemingly crosses the line when he attempts to kill Trish, ''[[OffingTheOffspring his own daughter]]''. However, he actually crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by [[BuriedAlive burying his mother alive]] under his house and then burning down his home village when someone finds her]].
** [[MadDoctor Cioccolata]] crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by physically and mentally torturing people in elderly care, and then [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming recording them as]] [[DrivenToSuicide they commit suicide]]. Note that from this point onwards, he only gets worse.
* ''Manga/StoneOcean'':
** Pucci crossed this before the part began when he [[spoiler:killed Emporio's mother with Whitesnake's illusory acid in order to gain her Stand disc]].
** Sports Maxx crossed it when he killed Ermes' sister [[LeaveNoWitnesses after she saw him carrying out a mob hit]].
** Kenzo crossed it back when he was still a cult leader, manipulating over 30 people into ''burning themselves alive.''
** Miumiu crosses it when she surrounds Jolyne and Emporio with the prison's entire security squadron and orders them to open fire on Jolyne, [[SmugSnake bragging about it to her face]] and not caring whether or not [[WouldHurtAChild Emporio gets caught in the crossfire]].
** Like [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureGoldenWind Cioccolatta]] before him, Ungalo instigates a full-scale terrorist attack in an attempt to kill a small group of people who were hindering his boss's plans, not caring about the innocents killed as collateral. ''Unlike'' Cioccolatta, whose rampage was (mostly) limited to Rome, Ungalo's Stand spreads its chaos across ''the entire world''.
** Donatello Versus may ellicit a bit of sympathy at first thanks to his DarkAndTroubledPast, but that flies out the window when he uses his Stand to reenact a plane crash that had only two survivors, then places ''three'' sick children in the plane with Jolyne and Ermes, not only attempting to [[SadisticChoice force them to choose between themselves and the kids]], but also ensuring that even if they did sacrifice themselves, [[WouldHurtAChild one child would still die]]. [[LackOfEmpathy Versus also does not show any remorse for this]], claiming that [[NeverMyFault their deaths are Jolyne and Ermes' fault]] because they fought back against him.
* ''Manga/SteelBallRun'':
** [[PresidentEvil Funny Valentine]] crosses the line when he [[spoiler:[[AttemptedRape attempts to rape Lucy]], only stopping when he realizes that she's become the vessel for the Holy Corpse]].
** [[spoiler:AlternateUniverse [[PostClimaxConfrontation Diego Brando]]]] crosses the line when [[spoiler:he uses his female fans as {{Human Shield}}s, and then [[NeverMyFault blames Johnny when one of them gets killed]]]].
* ''Manga/{{JoJolion}}'':
** [[DiscOneFinalBoss Tamaki Damo]] crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by [[spoiler:attempting to force Josefumi and Kira to choose [[SadisticChoice which one will kill the other for their own life]]]].
** [[WellIntentionedExtremist Wu Tomoki]] crosses the line when he has Mitsuba [[spoiler:unknowingly use her unborn child in an EquivalentExchange experiment]]. This ends up somewhat [[SubvertedTrope subverted]], however, when he reveals that [[spoiler:he has no control over the results of the exchange, and that the possible death of Mitsuba's child was entirely out of his control]].
** [[SocialDarwinist Jobin Higashikata]] ''doesn't'' cross the line when he [[spoiler:kills Ojiro. After all, Ojiro came after him and his son, he was entirely in the right to take him out]]. However, he ''does'' cross the line when he [[spoiler:murders Ojiro's girlfriend, Makorin, out of suspicion that she may be a threat to him (she wasn't). He also states that he would have [[WouldHurtAChild murdered Makorin's daughter had she been a Stand User]]]]. If you don't feel he's crossed the line yet, you probably feel he did when he [[spoiler:attempts to murder Yasuho, even after Mitsuba tells him that Yasuho helped save her life]].
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* ''Manga/PhantomBlood'':
** [[AbusiveParents Dario Brando]] crossed the line ''before the series even began'', with the reveal that he had worked his wife to death just to have enough money to buy booze. There's a reason Dio's [[AssholeVictim murder of him]] is considered his one justifiable action.
** While [[BigBad Dio Brando]] makes it clear from his [[KickTheDog introduction]] that he is a horrible, '''horrible''' person, he crosses the line when he burns Jonathan's dog Danny to death [[EvilIsPetty out of spite]] after Jonathan beat him in a fight.
** [[TheBrute Tarkus]] crosses the line when he crushes [[NobleDemon Bruford]]'s remains while mocking him for his weakness. Though in Jonathan's eyes, him [[spoiler:killing [[TheMentor Zeppeli]]]] is this, as it's the exact moment Jonathan declares that all bets are off.
* ''Manga/BattleTendency'':
** [[spoiler:[[SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome Straizo]] crosses the line by betraying Speedwagon and leaving him to die in order to turn himself into a vampire]].
** In Joseph's eyes, [[FauxAffablyEvil Kars]] crosses the line when [[spoiler:he uses a body double during his fight against Lisa Lisa after having previously agreed to a fair fight, as it goes against the wishes of Kars' deceased friends, Esidisi and Wamuu]].
* ''Manga/StardustCrusaders'':
** While animals usually have the excuse of not having a sense of morality, animals with [[FightingSpirit Stands]] are granted enough intelligence to have one, so it's safe to say that [[ManiacMonkeys Forever]] crosses the line when he spies on and tries to sexually assault Anne, an underage girl, while she's in the shower.
** [[{{Sadist}} J. Geil]] crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil raping]] and murdering Polnareff's sister, Cherie.
** In the eyes of the Crusaders, [[SmugSnake Steely Dan]] crosses the line when he [[spoiler:[[CruelAndUnusualDeath brutally murders]] Enya on DIO's orders]]. It doesn't help that, unlike most of DIO's minions, who do what they do out of an UndyingLoyalty for him, Dan does it [[OnlyInItForTheMoney because he was paid to]].
** Similar to Forever, [[FeatheredFiend Pet Shop]] is granted enough intelligence by his Stand to have a sense of morality, so he quite clearly crosses the line by murdering two innocent dogs and then attempting to murder their owner, ''[[WouldHurtAChild a child]]'', as well.
** [[PsychopathicManchild Terence T. D'Arby]] is another one who crosses it before the events of the Part, when he imprisons the souls of countless victims inside dolls that he keeps as still-living trophies. Making it even worse is how he not only plays dress-up with them (including the female dolls) and is shown suggestively fondling [[spoiler:Kakyoin's doll]], but also in how he enjoys seeing their minds break over time.
** If [[TheDragon Vanilla Ice]] didn't cross the line by [[spoiler:killing Avdol]], he ''definitely'' did by [[spoiler:[[KickTheDog brutally kicking Iggy to death]] [[DisproportionateRetribution as retribution for Iggy forcing him to destroy a sand statue of DIO]]]].
** If you for some reason didn't feel DIO crossed the line back in ''Phantom Blood'', you probably feel he did when he forces Senator Phillips to drive over a sidewalk full of people. And if you ''somehow'' don't feel he's crossed the line yet, him [[spoiler:killing Kakyoin]] was probably the last straw.
* ''Manga/DiamondIsUnbreakable'':
** While [[SerialKiller Angelo]] definitely crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by [[DepravedBisexual raping two boys]] and murdering another, him [[spoiler:killing Ryohei and attempting to kill Tomoko]] is seen as the moment where he proves himself completely irredeemable. Notably, he's one of the few enemies Josuke doesn't [[DefeatMeansFriendship befriend after defeating]], and after what he's done, [[spoiler:Josuke giving him a FateWorseThanDeath is agreed to be [[AssholeVictim well deserved]]]].
** In Okuyasu's eyes, [[{{Jerkass}} Akira Otoishi]] crosses the line when he [[spoiler:murders Keicho and steals the [[MacGuffin Stand Arrow]], just as Okuyasu and Keicho were about to patch things up]].
** [[TheSociopath Yoshikage Kira]] crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by [[spoiler:murdering Reimi when she was only 16-years old, with the implication that he would have murdered 4-year old Rohan had Reimi not saved him. And of course, [[SerialKiller this was just his first of many, many murders]]]].
** In Josuke's eyes, [[PsychoForHire Terunosuke Miyamoto]] crosses the line when he kidnaps Tomoko and Koichi.
* ''Manga/GoldenWind'':
** [[AffablyEvil Prosciutto]] crosses the line when he activates [[RapidAging The Grateful Dead]] on a train to flush out Team Bucciarati, despite knowing that doing so will cause a number of civilian casualties.
** In Bruno's eyes, [[AntiVillain Pesci]] crosses the line when he tries to murder the rest of Team Bucciarati out of spite, as it's the moment Bruno loses any and all sympathy and respect for him.
** [[LackOfEmpathy Melone]] crosses the line when [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything he uses a random woman as a host for]] [[EnfantTerrible Baby Face's Junior]], then has her disposed of once she's no longer needed. Not helping things is the implication that he's done this many times before, and had Giorno not taken him down, he would have done it again.
** [[spoiler:[[TheDon Diavolo]] seemingly crosses the line when he attempts to kill Trish, ''[[OffingTheOffspring his own daughter]]''. However, he actually crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by [[BuriedAlive burying his mother alive]] under his house and then burning down his home village when someone finds her]].
** [[MadDoctor Cioccolata]] crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by physically and mentally torturing people in elderly care, and then [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming recording them as]] [[DrivenToSuicide they commit suicide]]. Note that from this point onwards, he only gets worse.
* ''Manga/StoneOcean'':
** Pucci crossed this before the part began when he [[spoiler:killed Emporio's mother with Whitesnake's illusory acid in order to gain her Stand disc]].
** Sports Maxx crossed it when he killed Ermes' sister [[LeaveNoWitnesses after she saw him carrying out a mob hit]].
** Kenzo crossed it back when he was still a cult leader, manipulating over 30 people into ''burning themselves alive.''
** Miumiu crosses it when she surrounds Jolyne and Emporio with the prison's entire security squadron and orders them to open fire on Jolyne, [[SmugSnake bragging about it to her face]] and not caring whether or not [[WouldHurtAChild Emporio gets caught in the crossfire]].
** Like [[Manga/JojosBizarreAdventureGoldenWind Cioccolatta]] before him, Ungalo instigates a full-scale terrorist attack in an attempt to kill a small group of people who were hindering his boss's plans, not caring about the innocents killed as collateral. ''Unlike'' Cioccolatta, whose rampage was (mostly) limited to Rome, Ungalo's Stand spreads its chaos across ''the entire world''.
** Donatello Versus may ellicit a bit of sympathy at first thanks to his DarkAndTroubledPast, but that flies out the window when he uses his Stand to reenact a plane crash that had only two survivors, then places ''three'' sick children in the plane with Jolyne and Ermes, not only attempting to [[SadisticChoice force them to choose between themselves and the kids]], but also ensuring that even if they did sacrifice themselves, [[WouldHurtAChild one child would still die]]. [[LackOfEmpathy Versus also does not show any remorse for this]], claiming that [[NeverMyFault their deaths are Jolyne and Ermes' fault]] because they fought back against him.
* ''Manga/SteelBallRun'':
** [[PresidentEvil Funny Valentine]] crosses the line when he [[spoiler:[[AttemptedRape attempts to rape Lucy]], only stopping when he realizes that she's become the vessel for the Holy Corpse]].
** [[spoiler:AlternateUniverse [[PostClimaxConfrontation Diego Brando]]]] crosses the line when [[spoiler:he uses his female fans as {{Human Shield}}s, and then [[NeverMyFault blames Johnny when one of them gets killed]]]].
* ''Manga/{{JoJolion}}'':
** [[DiscOneFinalBoss Tamaki Damo]] crossed the line ''before the Part even began'' by [[spoiler:attempting to force Josefumi and Kira to choose [[SadisticChoice which one will kill the other for their own life]]]].
** [[WellIntentionedExtremist Wu Tomoki]] crosses the line when he has Mitsuba [[spoiler:unknowingly use her unborn child in an EquivalentExchange experiment]]. This ends up somewhat [[SubvertedTrope subverted]], however, when he reveals that [[spoiler:he has no control over the results of the exchange, and that the possible death of Mitsuba's child was entirely out of his control]].
** [[SocialDarwinist Jobin Higashikata]] ''doesn't'' cross the line when he [[spoiler:kills Ojiro. After all, Ojiro came after him and his son, he was entirely in the right to take him out]]. However, he ''does'' cross the line when he [[spoiler:murders Ojiro's girlfriend, Makorin, out of suspicion that she may be a threat to him (she wasn't). He also states that he would have [[WouldHurtAChild murdered Makorin's daughter had she been a Stand User]]]]. If you don't feel he's crossed the line yet, you probably feel he did when he [[spoiler:attempts to murder Yasuho, even after Mitsuba tells him that Yasuho helped save her life]].
