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17th Dec '16 10:35:55 PM SantosLHalper
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*** And they're ''right'', of course: a universe where every other race/faction is out to get you, there are no "good guys", any attempts at peace or harmony are laughable and any horrible things you may do are justified since your enemies are just as bad if not worse? What's there for a Nazi ''not'' to like?
*** Note how the Imperium combines the worst parts of Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany and Maoist China with added piles of awful awful awful leadership. Not to mention the worst parts of Dark Ages Europe and the colonization of the Americas.
*** It's probably safe to say the Imperium combines the worse aspects of most, if not all, of human history.



*** For added Irony one of the few positives about The Imperium is that ethnicity and gender are no longer used to discriminate against people and everyone is treated equally albeit equally poorly.
*** In theory. In practice, there aren't many women in the higher ranks of the Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy, Administratum, Adeptus Terra, etc. As for ethnicity, non-white people/people of color are so frickin' rare in the books that when they do show up, it's lampshaded almost into racism-through-anti-racism.
*** They make up for it with their FantasticRacism vs. aliens and abhumans, though.

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*** For added Irony one of the few positives about The Imperium is that ethnicity and gender are no longer used to discriminate against people and everyone is treated equally albeit equally poorly.
*** In theory. In practice, there aren't many women in the higher ranks of the Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy, Administratum, Adeptus Terra, etc. As for ethnicity, non-white people/people of color are so frickin' rare in the books that when they do show up, it's lampshaded almost into racism-through-anti-racism.
*** They make up for it with their FantasticRacism vs. aliens and abhumans, though.
17th Oct '16 1:21:10 PM Antronach
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** TabletopGame/ChangelingTheDreaming was about fairies reborn as humans. While the line was considered "interesting, but flawed" by many, a group of people known as Otherkin adored the game, mainly cause they believe they ''are'' fairies reborn as humans. Their attachment to the game got so out of hand that the authors had to officially announce that they weren't Otherkin themselves.
3rd Aug '16 2:21:25 PM BaronPraxis
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***** How about the Ultramarines? White dudes that never error? Check. White superhumans that run a planet superbly? Check. Military geniuses? Check. They are the wet dream of a neo-nazi if there ever existed one. Just a glance on the name should say enough. It doesn't help that most of their fans actually have neo-nazi bearing and express themselves like the Nazis.

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***** How about the Ultramarines? White dudes that never error? Check. White superhumans that run a planet superbly? Check. Military geniuses? Check. They are the wet dream of a neo-nazi if there ever existed one. Just a glance on the name should say enough. It doesn't help that most of their fans actually have neo-nazi bearing and express themselves like the Nazis.
29th Nov '15 7:15:29 AM Beavizz81
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***** How about the Ultramarines? White dudes that never error? Check. White superhumans that run a planet superbly? Check. Military geniuses? Check. They are the wet dream of a neo-nazi if there ever existed one.

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***** How about the Ultramarines? White dudes that never error? Check. White superhumans that run a planet superbly? Check. Military geniuses? Check. They are the wet dream of a neo-nazi if there ever existed one. Just a glance on the name should say enough. It doesn't help that most of their fans actually have neo-nazi bearing and express themselves like the Nazis.
29th Nov '15 6:56:28 AM Beavizz81
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***** How about the Ultramarines? White dudes that never error? Check. White superhumans that run a planet superbly? Check. Military geniuses? Check. They are the wet dream of a neo-nazi if there ever existed one.
17th Oct '15 10:31:43 PM guineapigpony
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*** [[http://www.tradyouth.org/2015/02/the-imperium-of-man/ This post from a reactionary traditionalist]] site cites the Imperium Of Man as a desirable guide for society, completely missing the point that the Imperium is a dying CrapsackWorld where rampant traditionalism has made life horrible for humanity, even if its keeping it alive. The highly fantastical nature of the setting where only there such dogmatic policies can be tolerated is also ignored by the author.

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*** [[http://www.tradyouth.org/2015/02/the-imperium-of-man/ This post from a reactionary traditionalist]] site cites the Imperium Of Man as a desirable guide for society, completely missing the point that the Imperium is a dying CrapsackWorld where rampant traditionalism has made life horrible for humanity, even if its keeping it alive. The highly fantastical nature of the setting where only there such dogmatic policies can be tolerated is also ignored by the author. Interestingly, the author's logo is similiar to Warhammer's symbol of Chaos, the Imperium's principal archenemy.
31st Aug '15 9:34:59 PM tropelion
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**** Gender, not so much. There aren't many women in the higher ranks of the Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy, Administratum, Adeptus Terra, etc.
**** Ethnicity, not so much, either. People of color are so frickin' rare in the books that when they do show up, it's lampshaded almost into racism-through-anti-racism.

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**** Gender, not so much. There In theory. In practice, there aren't many women in the higher ranks of the Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy, Administratum, Adeptus Terra, etc.
**** Ethnicity, not so much, either. People
etc. As for ethnicity, non-white people/people of color are so frickin' rare in the books that when they do show up, it's lampshaded almost into racism-through-anti-racism.
9th Jul '15 6:15:33 AM MechWarrior
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*** [[http://www.tradyouth.org/2015/02/the-imperium-of-man/ This post from a reactioanry traditionalist]] site cites the Imperium Of Man as a desirable guide for society, completely missing the point that the Imperium is a dying CrapsackWorld where rampant traditionalism has made life horrible for humanity, even if its keeping it alive. The highly fantastical nature of the setting where only there such dogmatic policies can be tolerated is also ignored by the author.

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*** [[http://www.tradyouth.org/2015/02/the-imperium-of-man/ This post from a reactioanry reactionary traditionalist]] site cites the Imperium Of Man as a desirable guide for society, completely missing the point that the Imperium is a dying CrapsackWorld where rampant traditionalism has made life horrible for humanity, even if its keeping it alive. The highly fantastical nature of the setting where only there such dogmatic policies can be tolerated is also ignored by the author.



*** This has been gone back and forth with each edition. The first edition was pure parody, the second [[ForgottenParody took the story seriously]], the third took itself so seriously and was so dark and miserable that it became a joke (creating the [[MemeticMutation meme]] "[[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Grimdark grimdark"]] ), the fourth and fifth are LighterAndSofter with real heroes and villains, though still substantially darker than your average setting. The sixth edition seems to be going ''both'' ways with it, making the battles themselves and the people in them that much more glorious, with a heaping helping of fluff that indicates that every civilization in the galaxy, and maybe the galaxy ''itself'', is [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt literally on the verge of one great, big, all-consuming orgy of madness and carnage, leaving nothing left]]. (Not that the story will reach a point where Games Workshop have to draw a line under it and [[CashCowFranchise stop selling 40k merchandise]], though.)

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*** This has been gone back and forth with each edition. The first edition was pure parody, the second [[ForgottenParody [[PoesLaw took the story seriously]], the third took itself so seriously and was so dark and miserable that it became a joke (creating the [[MemeticMutation meme]] "[[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Grimdark grimdark"]] ), the fourth and fifth are LighterAndSofter with real heroes and villains, though still substantially darker than your average setting. The sixth edition seems to be going ''both'' ways with it, making the battles themselves and the people in them that much more glorious, with a heaping helping of fluff that indicates that every civilization in the galaxy, and maybe the galaxy ''itself'', is [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt literally on the verge of one great, big, all-consuming orgy of madness and carnage, leaving nothing left]]. (Not that the story will reach a point where Games Workshop have to draw a line under it and [[CashCowFranchise stop selling 40k merchandise]], though.)
9th Jul '15 6:15:00 AM MechWarrior
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*** This has been gone back and forth with each edition. The first edition was pure parody, the second [[ForgottenParody took the story seriously]], the third took itself so seriously and was so dark and miserable that it became a joke (creating the {{meme}} "[[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Grimdark grimdark"]] ), the fourth and fifth are LighterAndSofter with real heroes and villains, though still substantially darker than your average setting. The sixth edition seems to be going ''both'' ways with it, making the battles themselves and the people in them that much more glorious, with a heaping helping of fluff that indicates that every civilization in the galaxy, and maybe the galaxy ''itself'', is [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt literally on the verge of one great, big, all-consuming orgy of madness and carnage, leaving nothing left]]. (Not that the story will reach a point where Games Workshop have to draw a line under it and [[CashCowFranchise stop selling 40k merchandise]], though.)

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*** This has been gone back and forth with each edition. The first edition was pure parody, the second [[ForgottenParody took the story seriously]], the third took itself so seriously and was so dark and miserable that it became a joke (creating the {{meme}} [[MemeticMutation meme]] "[[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Grimdark grimdark"]] ), the fourth and fifth are LighterAndSofter with real heroes and villains, though still substantially darker than your average setting. The sixth edition seems to be going ''both'' ways with it, making the battles themselves and the people in them that much more glorious, with a heaping helping of fluff that indicates that every civilization in the galaxy, and maybe the galaxy ''itself'', is [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt literally on the verge of one great, big, all-consuming orgy of madness and carnage, leaving nothing left]]. (Not that the story will reach a point where Games Workshop have to draw a line under it and [[CashCowFranchise stop selling 40k merchandise]], though.)
9th Jul '15 6:07:12 AM MechWarrior
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*** Take note that said CharacterDevelopment only appeared after fans complained that they weren't GrimDark enough, and most of their negative aspects are described [[UnreliableNarrator in quotes by Imperial characters]]. The Tau are either the best/least-worst dudes in the universe if Imperial propaganda isn't true, or merely as grey as the Imperium if it is.

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*** Take note that said CharacterDevelopment only appeared after fans complained that they weren't GrimDark [[DarkerAndEdgier grimdark]] enough, and most of their negative aspects are described [[UnreliableNarrator in quotes by Imperial characters]]. The Tau are either the best/least-worst dudes in the universe if Imperial propaganda isn't true, or merely as grey as the Imperium if it is.



** The whole thing isn't helped by Black Library writers trying to give the Imperium a human face in order to make ''[[GauntsGhosts political officers]]'' sympathetic.

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** The whole thing isn't helped by Black Library writers trying to give the Imperium a human face in order to make ''[[GauntsGhosts ''[[Literature/GauntsGhosts political officers]]'' sympathetic.



* The ''OldWorldOfDarkness'' supplement ''The Book of Nod'' was originally a source of stories and a prop for the setting. Imagine the author's surprise when Noddism became a cult.

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* The ''OldWorldOfDarkness'' ''TabletopGame/OldWorldOfDarkness'' supplement ''The Book of Nod'' was originally a source of stories and a prop for the setting. Imagine the author's surprise when Noddism became a cult.
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