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28th Jul '17 12:20:24 PM Axelmania
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* A good portion of the ''TabletopGame/{{Rifts}}'' fandom symphasise with the Coalition States. The Coalition States, for the record, is a totalitarian, Orwellian, fascist police state that heavily restricts media, education, and free speech, seeks to control the entire Earth, and is [[FantasticRacism violently racist]] [[HumansAreBastards against non-humans]] - either they're wiped out on sight or forced to live in underprivileged ghettos until the day they die. [[ANaziByAnyOtherName If any of this is lost on you, they're aesthetically, philosophically, and socially based on Nazi Germany]], which should tip people off that they're not supposed to be the good guys. Problem is, not only [[EvilIsCool are they badass]], but [[StrawmanHasAPoint a lot of nonhumans in the setting do pose an imminent danger to human civilisation]], leading to many people ignoring - or worse, glorifying - the Coalition's atrocities. The creator was so fed up with this that he included an {{Anvilicious}} AuthorFilibuster in a later book detailing that the Coalition is fundamentally evil, but this hasn't stopped a thing.

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* A good portion of the ''TabletopGame/{{Rifts}}'' fandom symphasise sympathize with the Coalition States. The Coalition States, for the record, CS is a totalitarian, Orwellian, fascist police state that which is a stabilizing force for North America. It feeds many beyond its borders and is the only reliable basis of credit currency. It heavily restricts media, education, and free speech, which protects people from accidentally reading magical scrolls that summon demons. It seeks to control free the entire Earth, Earth for humanity: not only themselves but also their NGR allied in Europe and Free Quebec allies up north. It is [[FantasticRacism violently racist]] against alien invaders and [[HumansAreBastards against non-humans]] humans who summon them]] - either they're wiped out on sight those who refuse to leave human territory may be imprisoned or forced shot. The CS make their lands so safe that many aliens choose to live in underprivileged ghettos until the day they die. die, rather than brave the untamed wilderness. [[ANaziByAnyOtherName If any of this is lost on you, they're aesthetically, philosophically, and socially based on Nazi Germany]], which should tip people off that they're not supposed to be Germany was probably one contributing inspiration]] for the good guys. CS, as Hitler was mentioned as one of Karl Prosek's inspirations. GodwinsLaw leads to critics only focusing on this, completely ignoring Karl's concirre t negative opinions about Hitler and the other leaders who inspired him: Caesar, Khan and Napoleon. They will also act as if Nazis invented the DeathsHead and ignore its recurrantuse in the American military or use by classic heroes like Ivanhoe . Problem is, not only [[EvilIsCool are they badass]], but [[StrawmanHasAPoint a lot of nonhumans in the setting do pose an imminent danger to human civilisation]], leading to many people ignoring - or worse, tolerating, some ignoring, and a few even glorifying - the Coalition's atrocities. The atrocities.
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creator was so fed up with this that he might have included an {{Anvilicious}} AuthorFilibuster in a later book (which one? Which page?) detailing that the Coalition is fundamentally evil, (source?) but this hasn't stopped a thing.thing.
***while C.J. Carella described the CS as having an equivalent to Miscreant/Aberrant alignment in Dimension Book 2, Siembieda in World Book 11 explicitly states the average citizen or soldier is not evil. A recent book is titled "Heroes of Humanity", referring to the CS.
8th Apr '17 5:56:46 PM nombretomado
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** In TabletopGame/MageTheAscension, The Technocracy was originally conceived as a belligerent faction who was trying to murder creativity and wonder by deluding the masses into believing such things don't exist, which, in a universe that operates on ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve, would remove their ability to do so in the real world. The problem was that their use of science to do so undermined this idea, since science and technology were profoundly liberating for the average person. Rather than clamp down on this, the writers embraced this, depicting the Technocracy as a WellIntentionedExtremist faction who wants to protect and empower the common man via science and technology (admittedly, under ''their'' terms), but have accumulated many, many skeletons in their closet to do so.
** TabletopGame/ChangelingTheDreaming was about fairies reborn as humans. While the line was considered "interesting, but flawed" by many, a group of people known as Otherkin adored the game, mainly cause they believe they ''are'' fairies reborn as humans. Their attachment to the game got so out of hand that the authors had to officially announce that they weren't Otherkin themselves.
* A good portion of the ''{{Rifts}}'' fandom symphasise with the Coalition States. The Coalition States, for the record, is a totalitarian, Orwellian, fascist police state that heavily restricts media, education, and free speech, seeks to control the entire Earth, and is [[FantasticRacism violently racist]] [[HumansAreBastards against non-humans]] - either they're wiped out on sight or forced to live in underprivileged ghettos until the day they die. [[ANaziByAnyOtherName If any of this is lost on you, they're aesthetically, philosophically, and socially based on Nazi Germany]], which should tip people off that they're not supposed to be the good guys. Problem is, not only [[EvilIsCool are they badass]], but [[StrawmanHasAPoint a lot of nonhumans in the setting do pose an imminent danger to human civilisation]], leading to many people ignoring - or worse, glorifying - the Coalition's atrocities. The creator was so fed up with this that he included an {{Anvilicious}} AuthorFilibuster in a later book detailing that the Coalition is fundamentally evil, but this hasn't stopped a thing.

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** In TabletopGame/MageTheAscension, ''TabletopGame/MageTheAscension'', The Technocracy was originally conceived as a belligerent faction who was trying to murder creativity and wonder by deluding the masses into believing such things don't exist, which, in a universe that operates on ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve, would remove their ability to do so in the real world. The problem was that their use of science to do so undermined this idea, since science and technology were profoundly liberating for the average person. Rather than clamp down on this, the writers embraced this, depicting the Technocracy as a WellIntentionedExtremist faction who wants to protect and empower the common man via science and technology (admittedly, under ''their'' terms), but have accumulated many, many skeletons in their closet to do so.
** TabletopGame/ChangelingTheDreaming ''TabletopGame/ChangelingTheDreaming'' was about fairies reborn as humans. While the line was considered "interesting, but flawed" by many, a group of people known as Otherkin adored the game, mainly cause they believe they ''are'' fairies reborn as humans. Their attachment to the game got so out of hand that the authors had to officially announce that they weren't Otherkin themselves.
* A good portion of the ''{{Rifts}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Rifts}}'' fandom symphasise with the Coalition States. The Coalition States, for the record, is a totalitarian, Orwellian, fascist police state that heavily restricts media, education, and free speech, seeks to control the entire Earth, and is [[FantasticRacism violently racist]] [[HumansAreBastards against non-humans]] - either they're wiped out on sight or forced to live in underprivileged ghettos until the day they die. [[ANaziByAnyOtherName If any of this is lost on you, they're aesthetically, philosophically, and socially based on Nazi Germany]], which should tip people off that they're not supposed to be the good guys. Problem is, not only [[EvilIsCool are they badass]], but [[StrawmanHasAPoint a lot of nonhumans in the setting do pose an imminent danger to human civilisation]], leading to many people ignoring - or worse, glorifying - the Coalition's atrocities. The creator was so fed up with this that he included an {{Anvilicious}} AuthorFilibuster in a later book detailing that the Coalition is fundamentally evil, but this hasn't stopped a thing.
17th Dec '16 10:35:55 PM SantosLHalper
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*** And they're ''right'', of course: a universe where every other race/faction is out to get you, there are no "good guys", any attempts at peace or harmony are laughable and any horrible things you may do are justified since your enemies are just as bad if not worse? What's there for a Nazi ''not'' to like?
*** Note how the Imperium combines the worst parts of Stalinist Russia, Nazi Germany and Maoist China with added piles of awful awful awful leadership. Not to mention the worst parts of Dark Ages Europe and the colonization of the Americas.
*** It's probably safe to say the Imperium combines the worse aspects of most, if not all, of human history.



*** For added Irony one of the few positives about The Imperium is that ethnicity and gender are no longer used to discriminate against people and everyone is treated equally albeit equally poorly.
*** In theory. In practice, there aren't many women in the higher ranks of the Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy, Administratum, Adeptus Terra, etc. As for ethnicity, non-white people/people of color are so frickin' rare in the books that when they do show up, it's lampshaded almost into racism-through-anti-racism.
*** They make up for it with their FantasticRacism vs. aliens and abhumans, though.

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*** For added Irony one of the few positives about The Imperium is that ethnicity and gender are no longer used to discriminate against people and everyone is treated equally albeit equally poorly.
*** In theory. In practice, there aren't many women in the higher ranks of the Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy, Administratum, Adeptus Terra, etc. As for ethnicity, non-white people/people of color are so frickin' rare in the books that when they do show up, it's lampshaded almost into racism-through-anti-racism.
*** They make up for it with their FantasticRacism vs. aliens and abhumans, though.
17th Oct '16 1:21:10 PM Antronach
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** TabletopGame/ChangelingTheDreaming was about fairies reborn as humans. While the line was considered "interesting, but flawed" by many, a group of people known as Otherkin adored the game, mainly cause they believe they ''are'' fairies reborn as humans. Their attachment to the game got so out of hand that the authors had to officially announce that they weren't Otherkin themselves.
3rd Aug '16 2:21:25 PM BaronPraxis
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***** How about the Ultramarines? White dudes that never error? Check. White superhumans that run a planet superbly? Check. Military geniuses? Check. They are the wet dream of a neo-nazi if there ever existed one. Just a glance on the name should say enough. It doesn't help that most of their fans actually have neo-nazi bearing and express themselves like the Nazis.

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***** How about the Ultramarines? White dudes that never error? Check. White superhumans that run a planet superbly? Check. Military geniuses? Check. They are the wet dream of a neo-nazi if there ever existed one. Just a glance on the name should say enough. It doesn't help that most of their fans actually have neo-nazi bearing and express themselves like the Nazis.
29th Nov '15 7:15:29 AM Beavizz81
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***** How about the Ultramarines? White dudes that never error? Check. White superhumans that run a planet superbly? Check. Military geniuses? Check. They are the wet dream of a neo-nazi if there ever existed one.

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***** How about the Ultramarines? White dudes that never error? Check. White superhumans that run a planet superbly? Check. Military geniuses? Check. They are the wet dream of a neo-nazi if there ever existed one. Just a glance on the name should say enough. It doesn't help that most of their fans actually have neo-nazi bearing and express themselves like the Nazis.
29th Nov '15 6:56:28 AM Beavizz81
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***** How about the Ultramarines? White dudes that never error? Check. White superhumans that run a planet superbly? Check. Military geniuses? Check. They are the wet dream of a neo-nazi if there ever existed one.
17th Oct '15 10:31:43 PM guineapigpony
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*** [[http://www.tradyouth.org/2015/02/the-imperium-of-man/ This post from a reactionary traditionalist]] site cites the Imperium Of Man as a desirable guide for society, completely missing the point that the Imperium is a dying CrapsackWorld where rampant traditionalism has made life horrible for humanity, even if its keeping it alive. The highly fantastical nature of the setting where only there such dogmatic policies can be tolerated is also ignored by the author.

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*** [[http://www.tradyouth.org/2015/02/the-imperium-of-man/ This post from a reactionary traditionalist]] site cites the Imperium Of Man as a desirable guide for society, completely missing the point that the Imperium is a dying CrapsackWorld where rampant traditionalism has made life horrible for humanity, even if its keeping it alive. The highly fantastical nature of the setting where only there such dogmatic policies can be tolerated is also ignored by the author. Interestingly, the author's logo is similiar to Warhammer's symbol of Chaos, the Imperium's principal archenemy.
31st Aug '15 9:34:59 PM tropelion
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**** Gender, not so much. There aren't many women in the higher ranks of the Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy, Administratum, Adeptus Terra, etc.
**** Ethnicity, not so much, either. People of color are so frickin' rare in the books that when they do show up, it's lampshaded almost into racism-through-anti-racism.

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**** Gender, not so much. There In theory. In practice, there aren't many women in the higher ranks of the Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy, Administratum, Adeptus Terra, etc.
**** Ethnicity, not so much, either. People
etc. As for ethnicity, non-white people/people of color are so frickin' rare in the books that when they do show up, it's lampshaded almost into racism-through-anti-racism.
9th Jul '15 6:15:33 AM MechWarrior
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*** [[http://www.tradyouth.org/2015/02/the-imperium-of-man/ This post from a reactioanry traditionalist]] site cites the Imperium Of Man as a desirable guide for society, completely missing the point that the Imperium is a dying CrapsackWorld where rampant traditionalism has made life horrible for humanity, even if its keeping it alive. The highly fantastical nature of the setting where only there such dogmatic policies can be tolerated is also ignored by the author.

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*** [[http://www.tradyouth.org/2015/02/the-imperium-of-man/ This post from a reactioanry reactionary traditionalist]] site cites the Imperium Of Man as a desirable guide for society, completely missing the point that the Imperium is a dying CrapsackWorld where rampant traditionalism has made life horrible for humanity, even if its keeping it alive. The highly fantastical nature of the setting where only there such dogmatic policies can be tolerated is also ignored by the author.



*** This has been gone back and forth with each edition. The first edition was pure parody, the second [[ForgottenParody took the story seriously]], the third took itself so seriously and was so dark and miserable that it became a joke (creating the [[MemeticMutation meme]] "[[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Grimdark grimdark"]] ), the fourth and fifth are LighterAndSofter with real heroes and villains, though still substantially darker than your average setting. The sixth edition seems to be going ''both'' ways with it, making the battles themselves and the people in them that much more glorious, with a heaping helping of fluff that indicates that every civilization in the galaxy, and maybe the galaxy ''itself'', is [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt literally on the verge of one great, big, all-consuming orgy of madness and carnage, leaving nothing left]]. (Not that the story will reach a point where Games Workshop have to draw a line under it and [[CashCowFranchise stop selling 40k merchandise]], though.)

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*** This has been gone back and forth with each edition. The first edition was pure parody, the second [[ForgottenParody [[PoesLaw took the story seriously]], the third took itself so seriously and was so dark and miserable that it became a joke (creating the [[MemeticMutation meme]] "[[http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Grimdark grimdark"]] ), the fourth and fifth are LighterAndSofter with real heroes and villains, though still substantially darker than your average setting. The sixth edition seems to be going ''both'' ways with it, making the battles themselves and the people in them that much more glorious, with a heaping helping of fluff that indicates that every civilization in the galaxy, and maybe the galaxy ''itself'', is [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt literally on the verge of one great, big, all-consuming orgy of madness and carnage, leaving nothing left]]. (Not that the story will reach a point where Games Workshop have to draw a line under it and [[CashCowFranchise stop selling 40k merchandise]], though.)
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