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** We have WordOfDante to blame for that one, of course. The Church (for quite some time, [[ChristianityIsCatholic Christianity really was Catholic]]) demonized Judas for various reasons, a portrayal cemented in our culture by...well...Dante, who has Judas be one of the three great historical traitors (with [[GaiusJuliusCaesar Caesor's]] traitors Brutus and Cassius) deemed bad enough to be chewed upon by Satan for all eternity.

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** We have WordOfDante to blame for that one, of course. The Church (for quite some time, [[ChristianityIsCatholic Christianity really was Catholic]]) demonized Judas for various reasons, a portrayal cemented in our culture by...well...Dante, who whose ''[[TheDivineComedy Inferno]]'' has Judas be one of the three great historical traitors (with [[GaiusJuliusCaesar Caesor's]] Caesar's]] traitors Brutus and Cassius) deemed bad enough to be chewed upon by Satan for all eternity.
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** We have WordOfDante to blame for that one, of course. The Church (for quite some time, [[ChristianityIsCatholic Christianity really was Catholic]]) demonized Judas for various reasons, a portrayal cemented in our culture by...well...Dante, who has Judas be one of the three great historical traitors (with [[GaiusJuliusCaesar Caesor's]] traitors Brutus and Cassius) deemed bad enough to be chewed upon by Satan for all eternity.
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** Most religions try to give exceptions as to exactly who you need to love and forgive, but the point certainly stands that plenty of the tortured and killed probably didn't quite qualify.
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** Many church interpretations points out it DOES NOT give the male right to abuse his wife.

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** Many church interpretations points point out it DOES NOT give the male right to abuse his wife.wife and position.
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** Many church interpretations points out it DOES NOT give the male right to abuse his wife.
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** Even taking in the verse immediately afterwards doesn't make it any better to a feminist - it is basically saying that the husband is above the wife, just like Jesus is above the church. Majority of feminists (strawman or otherwise) would never endorse that sentiment.
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** At least one of the gospels has Judas possessed by Satan when he betrays Jesus. When Satan leaves him, he desperately tries to ResuscitateTheDog, and is so wracked with guilt he hangs himself. Yet, his name is shorthand for evil and a lot of people think he's one of the Bible's greatest villains.
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* While not characters per se, the suicide bombers and similar in RealLife are the result of MisaimedFandom of their own religious texts.

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* While not characters per se, the suicide bombers and similar in RealLife are the result of MisaimedFandom of their own religious texts.texts.
* Any depiction of Judas as a despicable villain, cowardly betrayer and an agent of Satan and trust me when I say it's pretty mainstream. Judas was meant to betray Jesus, so he can die for humanity's sins. Also remember that Satan actually wanted to prevent Jesus from dying, so why would he send a guy to sell him out to people who want him dead?

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*** That said, Matthew 5:17-20 reads like a fairly resounding endorsement of the law which is backed up by John 5:46. OT morality seeps through to modern society, with an Alabama courthouse trying to get away with displaying the ten commandments.
*** Though those messages ''were'' spoken to a Jewish audience...

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*** That said, Matthew 5:17-20 reads like a fairly resounding endorsement of the law which is backed up by John 5:46. OT morality seeps through to modern society, with an Alabama courthouse trying to get away with displaying the ten commandments. \n*** Though (Of course, given that those messages ''were'' spoken passages were addressed to a Jewish audience...primarily ''Jewish'' crowd...)
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*** Though those messages ''were'' spoken by Christ to a Jewish crowd, and would have instructed them to continue practicing the laws they already had.

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*** Though those messages ''were'' spoken by Christ to a Jewish crowd, and would have instructed them to continue practicing the laws they already had.audience...
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*** Though those messages ''were spoken'' by Christ to a Jewish crowd...

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*** Though those messages ''were spoken'' ''were'' spoken by Christ to a Jewish crowd...crowd, and would have instructed them to continue practicing the laws they already had.
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*** Though those messages ''were spoken'' by Christ to a Jewish crowd...
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* Zeus is usually portrayed in most fictional works about Greek Mythology as a strong and just, yet firm, leader of the Gods. A scant few portray him as a skirt-chaser with a penchant for cheating on Hera from time to time. In reality, he was portrayed by the Greeks as an angry, corrupt, vengeful son of a bitch. Oh, and he not only cheated on his wife, but cheated ''on the people he cheated on his wife with''. Thank God this has been subverted recently.

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* Zeus is usually portrayed in most fictional works about Greek Mythology as a strong and just, yet firm, leader of the Gods. A scant few portray him as a skirt-chaser with a penchant for cheating on Hera from time to time. In reality, he was portrayed by the Greeks as an angry, corrupt, vengeful son of a bitch. Oh, and he not only cheated on his wife, but cheated ''on ''[[BeyondTheImpossible on the people he cheated on his wife with''.with]]''. Thank God this has been subverted recently.

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Sunday. Googled Bible verse although Bible is less than 5 feet away. Didn\'t want to edit original post and leave natter. Seemed liked italics might help. Sunday is an odd day really.


* A passage in one of the Epistles that goes, "Wives, be submissive to your husbands" has been exploited both by straight-up male chauvinists and by radical [[StrawFeminist Straw Feminists]] who are [[DontShootTheMessage trying to discredit Christianity]]. Both groups seem to overlook or ignore the verse immediately afterward: "Husbands, love your wives."
** Even with the dropped text, I doubt a feminist would take "but I love her" as an excuse for demanding submission from your wife.
*** Or, you know, anyone else besides for a misogynist.

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* A passage in one of the Epistles that goes, "Wives, be submissive to your husbands" has been exploited both by straight-up male chauvinists and by radical [[StrawFeminist Straw Feminists]] who are [[DontShootTheMessage trying to discredit Christianity]]. Both groups seem to overlook or ignore the verse immediately afterward: "Husbands, love your wives."
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*** Or, you know, anyone else besides for a misogynist.
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*** That said, Matthew 5:17-20 reads like a fairly resounding endorsement of the law which is backed up by John 5:46. OT morality seeps through to modern society, with an Alabama courthouse trying to get away with displaying the ten commandments.
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* There are two types of religious people. Those who take every word in their holy books and stories literally and focus more on these details than the real messages. And those who just pick what they want to believe or do in name of their "religion" and ignore whatever doesn't fit in their own personal opinion about the world.

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“It wasn’t about what Christ was saying, but about the people who followed Him – the ones who for the next 2,000 years would torture and kill each other because they couldn’t agree on what He was saying about peace and love." - MontyPython member TerryJones about MontyPythonsLifeOfBrian.




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* In general all mythologies and religions preach for universal brother- and sisterhood and that people should be kind and forgiving to each other. Yet humans have killed, tortured, fought, bickered, doublecrossed, betrayed, stolen, vandalized, raped, lied to, hurt and slaughtered each other throughout the centuries in name of their god(s) or ideology.
* There are two types of religious people. Those who take every word in their holy books and stories literally and focus more on these details than the real messages. And those who just pick what they want to believe or do in name of their "religion" and ignore whatever doesn't fit in their own personal opinion about the world.
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*** Or, you know, anyone else besides for a misogynist.
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** Even with the dropped text, I doubt a feminist would take "but I love her" as an excuse for being controlling.

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** Even with the dropped text, I doubt a feminist would take "but I love her" as an excuse for being controlling.demanding submission from your wife.
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** Even with the dropped text, I doubt a feminist would take "but he loves me" as an excuse for being controlling.

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** Even with the dropped text, I doubt a feminist would take "but he loves me" I love her" as an excuse for being controlling.
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** Even with the dropped text, I doubt a feminist would take "but he loves me" as an excuse for being controlling.
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* A passage in one of the Epistles that goes, "Wives, be submissive to your husbands" has been exploited both by straight-up male chauvinists and by radical [[StrawFeminist Straw Feminists]] who are [[DontShootTheMessage trying to discredit Christianity]]. Both groups seem to overlook or ignore the verse immediately afterward: "Husbands, love your wives."
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** In general, Christians who treat every word in the Bible as though it is on equal ground. This is not even going into the issues of whether we should interpret it literally or allegorically; we could be here all day with that. But even with a literal interpretation, there are some books which are intended to be read as histories, not as rules to follow. And even as far as rules go, some of them were laws only meant to be followed by Jews (e.g. the ones in Leviticus). ''The Old Testament is not called the "Hebrew Bible" for nothing, you know.''

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** In general, Christians who treat every word in the Bible as though it is on equal ground. This is not even going into the issues of whether we should interpret it literally or allegorically; we could be here all day with that. But even with a literal interpretation, there are some books which are intended to be read as histories, not as rules to follow. And even as far as rules go, some of them were laws only meant to be followed by Jews (e.g. the ones in Leviticus).Leviticus); indeed, ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.org/wiki/Council_of_Jerusalem the first dang Church Council, attended by Paul and the Apostles themselves]] and recorded in [[TheBible Acts]]'', specifically said that Gentiles who are not Jews according to Jewish law are not bound by it. ''The Old Testament is not called the "Hebrew Bible" for nothing, you know.''
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* A lot of weddings like to use the blessing from Deuteronomy 28:2-14, where the Lord promises a lot of juicy blessings for for his people who obey his commands, including blessings for their city and country, their offspring, their produce of the ground, their herds and flocks, their tools and houses, their jobs and relatives, when they come in and go out, etc, if they obey his commandments. What newlyweds who pick that passage forget is the passage RIGHT AFTER, 15-64, where the Lord promises that if they don’t obey him, they will be host to a whole horde of punishments, including curses on everything he listed above, as well as defeat in war, conquest, death and rape of your family, exile, etc. Not much fun to read at a wedding, hence why it’s important to read in context.
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** And thank heavens for GodOfWar, where Zeus ''finally'' gets what he deserves.
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** In general, Christians who treat every word in the Bible as though it is on equal ground. This is not even going into the issues of whether we should interpret it literally or allegorically; we could be here all day with that. But even with a literal interpretation, there are some books which are intended to be read as histories, not as rules to follow. And even as far as rules go, some of them were laws only meant to be followed by Jews (e.g. the ones in Leviticus).

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** In general, Christians who treat every word in the Bible as though it is on equal ground. This is not even going into the issues of whether we should interpret it literally or allegorically; we could be here all day with that. But even with a literal interpretation, there are some books which are intended to be read as histories, not as rules to follow. And even as far as rules go, some of them were laws only meant to be followed by Jews (e.g. the ones in Leviticus). ''The Old Testament is not called the "Hebrew Bible" for nothing, you know.''
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** In general, Christians who treat the Old Testament laws as ones they should follow as strictly as, or sometimes even instead of, the rules of the New Testament. It's not called the "Hebrew Bible" for nothing, you know. Old Testament laws are only supposed to apply to Jews, not Christians. Which is not to say either is more important than the other, but the two testaments serve fundamentally different purposes in Christianity.

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** In general, Christians who treat every word in the Old Testament laws Bible as ones they though it is on equal ground. This is not even going into the issues of whether we should follow as strictly as, interpret it literally or sometimes allegorically; we could be here all day with that. But even instead of, the with a literal interpretation, there are some books which are intended to be read as histories, not as rules to follow. And even as far as rules go, some of the New Testament. It's not called the "Hebrew Bible" for nothing, you know. Old Testament them were laws are only supposed meant to apply to Jews, not Christians. Which is not to say either is more important than be followed by Jews (e.g. the other, but the two testaments serve fundamentally different purposes ones in Christianity.Leviticus).
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** In general, Christians who treat the Old Testament laws as ones they should follow as strictly as, or sometimes instead of, the rules of the New Testament. It's not called the "Hebrew Bible" for nothing, you know. Old Testament laws are only supposed to apply to Jews, not Christians.

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** In general, Christians who treat the Old Testament laws as ones they should follow as strictly as, or sometimes even instead of, the rules of the New Testament. It's not called the "Hebrew Bible" for nothing, you know. Old Testament laws are only supposed to apply to Jews, not Christians. Which is not to say either is more important than the other, but the two testaments serve fundamentally different purposes in Christianity.
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** In general, Christians who treat the Old Testament laws as ones they should follow as strictly as, or sometimes instead of, the rules of the New Testament. It's not called the "Hebrew Bible" for nothing, you know. Old Testament laws are only supposed to apply to Jews, not Christians.
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* Zeus is usually portrayed in most fictional works about Greek Mythology as a strong and just, yet firm, leader of the Gods. A scant few portray him as a skirt-chaser with a penchant for cheating on Hera from time to time. In reality, he was portrayed by the Greeks as an angry, corrupt, vengeful son of a bitch. Oh, and he not only cheated on his wife, but cheated ''on the people he cheated on his wife with''. Thank God this has been subverted recently.

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* Zeus is usually portrayed in most fictional works about Greek Mythology as a strong and just, yet firm, leader of the Gods. A scant few portray him as a skirt-chaser with a penchant for cheating on Hera from time to time. In reality, he was portrayed by the Greeks as an angry, corrupt, vengeful son of a bitch. Oh, and he not only cheated on his wife, but cheated ''on the people he cheated on his wife with''. Thank God this has been subverted recently.recently.
* While not characters per se, the suicide bombers and similar in RealLife are the result of MisaimedFandom of their own religious texts.

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