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16th Apr '17 5:12:06 PM nombretomado
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* Creator/DannyTrejo has stated that the Machete Cortez in ''Film/{{Machete}}'' is what [[CrossOver the Machete Cortez]] from ''SpyKids'' does when he's not taking care of the kids. As Creator/RobertRodriguez intended to make a ''Machete'' movie years before [[DevelopmentHell he was able to,]] he inserted a more family-friendly version of the same character into ''Spy Kids'' in the meantime, so this is technically canonical.

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* Creator/DannyTrejo has stated that the Machete Cortez in ''Film/{{Machete}}'' is what [[CrossOver the Machete Cortez]] from ''SpyKids'' ''Film/SpyKids'' does when he's not taking care of the kids. As Creator/RobertRodriguez intended to make a ''Machete'' movie years before [[DevelopmentHell he was able to,]] he inserted a more family-friendly version of the same character into ''Spy Kids'' in the meantime, so this is technically canonical.
2nd Apr '17 12:16:25 PM DustSnitch
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** St. Paul is the TropeNamer, and there's a lot of debate about whether his opinions, particularly those about women, reflect those of {{Jesus}}, considering that St. Paul never met Jesus (aside from a vision) and did not meet any of the original apostles until quite far into his career, and in fact started his career as a persecutor of Christians. At any rate, the Christian community of his time, some of whom knew Jesus, did accept his writings.

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** St. Paul is the TropeNamer, and there's a lot of debate about whether his opinions, particularly those about women, reflect those of {{Jesus}}, UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}}, considering that St. Paul never met Jesus (aside from a vision) and did not meet any of the original apostles until quite far into his career, and in fact started his career as a persecutor of Christians. At any rate, the Christian community of his time, some of whom knew Jesus, did accept his writings.
17th Mar '17 7:56:35 AM AndyLA
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Nothing to do with [[UsefulNotes/TwinCities the city in Minnesota]].

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Nothing to do with [[UsefulNotes/TwinCities the city in capital of Minnesota]].
11th Mar '17 9:55:02 AM nombretomado
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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' is in much the same boat. The original writer, GenUrobuchi, tends to either [[FlipFlopOfGod flip-flop]] on or [[ShrugOfGod ignore]] the issue of whether or not the series has a CastFullOfGay, or just a lot of BaitAndSwitchLesbians. Meanwhile, Hanokage, who wrote the manga adaptation and one of the spinoffs, and Creator/UmeAoki, the show's character designer and one of the Quartet, are far less restrained. Independent of one another, they've written {{yonkoma}}, {{doujins|hi}}, and {{omake}} that show the characters [[http://images.puella-magi.net/0/0b/BD_6_Ume_4koma_TL.jpg?20110924213042 lusting after each other,]] [[http://images.puella-magi.net/6/6b/Ume_sensei_doujin_kyosaya_1.jpg?20110507125623 going on dates,]] and even, on one memorable occasion, [[http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/16185/386351/3.jpg married]]. Ume even went so far as to hint at [[CrackPairing Mami/Charlotte.]]

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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' is in much the same boat. The original writer, GenUrobuchi, Creator/GenUrobuchi, tends to either [[FlipFlopOfGod flip-flop]] on or [[ShrugOfGod ignore]] the issue of whether or not the series has a CastFullOfGay, or just a lot of BaitAndSwitchLesbians. Meanwhile, Hanokage, who wrote the manga adaptation and one of the spinoffs, and Creator/UmeAoki, the show's character designer and one of the Quartet, are far less restrained. Independent of one another, they've written {{yonkoma}}, {{doujins|hi}}, and {{omake}} that show the characters [[http://images.puella-magi.net/0/0b/BD_6_Ume_4koma_TL.jpg?20110924213042 lusting after each other,]] [[http://images.puella-magi.net/6/6b/Ume_sensei_doujin_kyosaya_1.jpg?20110507125623 going on dates,]] and even, on one memorable occasion, [[http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/16185/386351/3.jpg married]]. Ume even went so far as to hint at [[CrackPairing Mami/Charlotte.]]
7th Mar '17 2:49:31 PM wildste
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* ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'': Courtesy of Creator/MichaelFassbender. Magneto and Quicksilver are father and son in this universe as well; obviously neither of them is aware of it, which also ties in with the early comics. Though in the movie, Erik does a blink and you'll miss it DoubleTake when Peter mentions that his mom told him she knew a guy with similar powers. Confirmed in ''Film/XMenApocalypse''.
18th Feb '17 11:57:14 AM EBsessed
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* The last ''Film/HarryPotter'' film suggests a romance (or at least a pair of reciprocal one-sided crushes) between Neville Longbottom and Luna Lovegood, which is a widely fanon-supported couple, but not one that happens in canon. Mathew Lewis, who plays Neville, asserted the two had a brief fling, but ended up marrying their canonical partners.

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* The last ''Film/HarryPotter'' film suggests a romance (or at least a pair of reciprocal one-sided crushes) between Neville Longbottom and Luna Lovegood, which is a widely fanon-supported couple, but not one that happens in canon.canonicity. Mathew Lewis, who plays Neville, asserted the two had a brief fling, but ended up marrying their canonical partners.



** Gwyneth Paltrow asserted in interviews prior to the release of ''The Avengers'' and ''Film/IronMan3'' that, in her opinion, Tony and Pepper hadn't slept together yet. This is probably not canon, however, considering the fact that in both films they're quite clearly living together, and are shown euphemistically [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar discussing their sex life]] in a couple of scenes.

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** Gwyneth Paltrow asserted in interviews prior to the release of ''The Avengers'' and ''Film/IronMan3'' that, in her opinion, Tony and Pepper hadn't slept together yet. This is probably not canon, canonical, however, considering the fact that in both films they're quite clearly living together, and are shown euphemistically [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar discussing their sex life]] in a couple of scenes.



* Naomie Harris came up with a back story to explain Selena's cynical outlook in ''TwentyEightDaysLater''. Selena apparently had to kill her whole family in one afternoon after they became infected - including a baby brother whom she had just saved. If one takes this as canon, it adds some weight to her attitude towards Hannah and Frank.

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* Naomie Harris came up with a back story to explain Selena's cynical outlook in ''TwentyEightDaysLater''. Selena apparently had to kill her whole family in one afternoon after they became infected - including a baby brother whom she had just saved. If one takes this as canon, canonical, it adds some weight to her attitude towards Hannah and Frank.



* In the Literature/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineRelaunch books, Andrew Robinson, who played the character Elim Garak, has filled in much of Garak's mysterious and covert past. He felt that Garak was omnisexual with interest in men and women of any species, and that Garak was particularly attracted to Bashir, whom he felt was oblivious to Garak's interest. The show's writing staff worked hard to throw this off in the show itself but Robinson's non-canon novel, based on his personal view of the character's background and personality, was so popular, it became part of the ExpandedUniverse and Robinson's view of the character has been adopted by the fandom as if it was canon.
* Christopher Tolkien is often this to Creator/JRRTolkien when it comes to posthumous works. In particular, the published version of ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'' is often assumed to be canon, when it is simply the most well-known interpretation of a number of unfinished and contradictory sources. On the whole, Christopher is pretty careful to separate actual WordOfGod from his own thoughts on paper.

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* In the Literature/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineRelaunch books, Andrew Robinson, who played the character Elim Garak, has filled in much of Garak's mysterious and covert past. He felt that Garak was omnisexual with interest in men and women of any species, and that Garak was particularly attracted to Bashir, whom he felt was oblivious to Garak's interest. The show's writing staff worked hard to throw this off in the show itself but Robinson's non-canon non-canonical novel, based on his personal view of the character's background and personality, was so popular, it became part of the ExpandedUniverse and Robinson's view of the character has been adopted by the fandom as if it was canon.
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* Christopher Tolkien is often this to Creator/JRRTolkien when it comes to posthumous works. In particular, the published version of ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'' is often assumed to be canon, canonical, when it is simply the most well-known interpretation of a number of unfinished and contradictory sources. On the whole, Christopher is pretty careful to separate actual WordOfGod from his own thoughts on paper.



* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', the two main writers of in-game books of Ted Peterson (who was also lead designer of the first game and lead producer of the second) and Michael Kirkbride, sometimes post new lore on the forums. While not officially canon (since most of it isn't in the games themselves), it is seen as such by some fans. A collection of the works can be [[http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/ found here]].

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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', the two main writers of in-game books of Ted Peterson (who was also lead designer of the first game and lead producer of the second) and Michael Kirkbride, sometimes post new lore on the forums. While not officially canon canonical (since most of it isn't in the games themselves), it is seen as such by some fans. A collection of the works can be [[http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/ found here]].



* For the ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' series we have the Fallout bibles, compiled by Chris Avellone before Bethesda gained the rights to the setting and made ''Fallout 3''. These documents are a hodgepodge of early development ideas, concepts which did not make it into the game and Avellone's own pet theories, which are sometimes contradictory. Avellone himself was one of several designers for ''Fallout 2'' and had no involvement with the first game. Nevertheless, some fans consider everything mentioned in the bibles to be canon. It probably doesn't help that the use of the term "bible" is inaccurate here; In TV land a "bible" is a brief document put together by a show's creators containing the immutable basics of the setting and characters as a guide for guest screenwriters. The Fallout bibles are not.
* Creator/TroyBaker, the voice actor for Kanji from ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' stated that he was told by the voice director to act as if Kanji were gay, and has admitted that he personally believes the character is indeed homosexual. This has led to a number of people, including ''WebAnimation/ExtraCredits'', taking that as canon, even though the official WordOfGod is that Kanji's sexuality is [[AmbiguouslyGay deliberately ambiguous.]]

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* For the ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' series we have the Fallout bibles, compiled by Chris Avellone before Bethesda gained the rights to the setting and made ''Fallout 3''. These documents are a hodgepodge of early development ideas, concepts which did not make it into the game and Avellone's own pet theories, which are sometimes contradictory. Avellone himself was one of several designers for ''Fallout 2'' and had no involvement with the first game. Nevertheless, some fans consider everything mentioned in the bibles to be canon.canonical. It probably doesn't help that the use of the term "bible" is inaccurate here; In TV land a "bible" is a brief document put together by a show's creators containing the immutable basics of the setting and characters as a guide for guest screenwriters. The Fallout bibles are not.
* Creator/TroyBaker, the voice actor for Kanji from ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' stated that he was told by the voice director to act as if Kanji were gay, and has admitted that he personally believes the character is indeed homosexual. This has led to a number of people, including ''WebAnimation/ExtraCredits'', taking that as canon, canonical, even though the official WordOfGod is that Kanji's sexuality is [[AmbiguouslyGay deliberately ambiguous.]]



* Eric Trueheart, who worked on ''WesternAnimation/InvaderZim,'' says that one story they might have used would involve [[HeroAntagonist Dib]] finding out that he was an ArtificialHuman created by his father, [[ReluctantMadScientist Professor Membrane]]. Many fans regard this as canon, and, since Dib and Membrane look alike, add a {{Fanon}} spin where he's a clone. The show was LeftHanging with several episodes unfinished, whether left as a voice recording, script or just a creator idea. Most fans consider them canon.

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* Eric Trueheart, who worked on ''WesternAnimation/InvaderZim,'' says that one story they might have used would involve [[HeroAntagonist Dib]] finding out that he was an ArtificialHuman created by his father, [[ReluctantMadScientist Professor Membrane]]. Many fans regard this as canon, canonical, and, since Dib and Membrane look alike, add a {{Fanon}} spin where he's a clone. The show was LeftHanging with several episodes unfinished, whether left as a voice recording, script or just a creator idea. Most fans consider them canon.canonical.



** Zuko's voice actor, Creator/DanteBasco, has regularly answered questions about his character. According to him, Zuko fell in love with Katara and he believes they are soulmates even if they did not end up with each other in canon.

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** Zuko's voice actor, Creator/DanteBasco, has regularly answered questions about his character. According to him, Zuko fell in love with Katara and he believes they are soulmates even if they did not end up with each other in canon.canonicity.
5th Feb '17 10:07:34 PM bwburke94
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** The original English voice of Ash, Veronica Taylor, is a believer in the theory that Giovanni is Ash's father. Giovanni is considered by fans to be one of the main contenders for being Ash's father (alongside Professor Oak and Silver).

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** The original English voice of Ash, Veronica Taylor, is a believer in the theory that Giovanni is Ash's father. Giovanni is considered by fans to be one of the main contenders for being Ash's father (alongside Professor Oak and Silver).father.
19th Jan '17 6:14:00 AM Morgenthaler
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* August Derleth shaped much of the popular understanding of Creator/HPLovecraft's CthulhuMythos, and codified a lot of it. This is [[BrokenBase hotly contested]], as Derleth split the mythos between what was basically good or bad (Elder Gods vs. The Great Old Ones) with the Elder Gods having been added after Lovecraft died. The main conflict is that the Elder Gods tend be fairly benign, while The Great Old Ones try to destroy humanity, often going away from the BlueAndOrangeMorality that makes up the mythos. Derleth's concept of good and evil eventually became less common, with ''TabletopGame/CallOfCthulhu'' removing it from the 6th edition.

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* August Derleth shaped much of the popular understanding of Creator/HPLovecraft's CthulhuMythos, Franchise/CthulhuMythos, and codified a lot of it. This is [[BrokenBase hotly contested]], as Derleth split the mythos between what was basically good or bad (Elder Gods vs. The Great Old Ones) with the Elder Gods having been added after Lovecraft died. The main conflict is that the Elder Gods tend be fairly benign, while The Great Old Ones try to destroy humanity, often going away from the BlueAndOrangeMorality that makes up the mythos. Derleth's concept of good and evil eventually became less common, with ''TabletopGame/CallOfCthulhu'' removing it from the 6th edition.
5th Jan '17 12:28:19 AM narm00
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* Televangelist Wendy Alec provides a literal version of this in her ''Chronicles of Brothers'' novels. These are a very specialised sort of fantasy fiction in which ms Alec represents the Bible story as a sort of sibling rivalry between five brothers, the Sons of God. She sticks very carefully and cautiously to what is "known" of Heaven, Hell and their denizens from the Bible and related religious works - but she cannot help re-interpreting the Fall of Lucifer (the black sheep of the family) with the aid of some serious Word Of Saint Paul, maybe even a little WordOfDante creeping in round the edges. (Other televangelists have denounced her as Ungodly and Satanic for this reason.)

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* Televangelist Wendy Alec provides a literal version of this in her ''Chronicles of Brothers'' novels. These are a very specialised sort of fantasy fiction in which ms Ms Alec represents the Bible story as a sort of sibling rivalry between five brothers, the Sons of God. She sticks very carefully and cautiously to what is "known" of Heaven, Hell and their denizens from the Bible and related religious works - but she cannot help re-interpreting the Fall of Lucifer (the black sheep of the family) with the aid of some serious Word Of Saint Paul, maybe even a little WordOfDante creeping in round the edges. (Other televangelists have denounced her as Ungodly and Satanic for this reason.)



* In ''Series/{{Smallville}}'', several actors have spoken about their own interpretation into the character on stuff the PowersThatBe are quiet about. Tom Welling ([[{{Superman}} Clark Kent]]) has talked about the psychological effects of red kryptonite, Allison Mack ([[PlatonicLifePartners Chloe Sullivan]]) said Chloe is too weak for the character in season two, John Glover ([[MagnificentBastard Lionel Luthor]]) said his character is [[DirtyOldMan supposed to be attracted]] to [[FoeYay Chloe]], and so on.

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* In ''Series/{{Smallville}}'', several actors have spoken about their own interpretation into the character on stuff the PowersThatBe are quiet about. Tom Welling ([[{{Superman}} ([[Franchise/{{Superman}} Clark Kent]]) has talked about the psychological effects of red kryptonite, Allison Mack ([[PlatonicLifePartners Chloe Sullivan]]) said Chloe is too weak for the character in season two, John Glover ([[MagnificentBastard Lionel Luthor]]) said his character is [[DirtyOldMan supposed to be attracted]] to [[FoeYay Chloe]], and so on.



* DarrenCriss, who plays Blaine on ''Series/{{Glee}}'', said in an interview that Blaine's last name is Anderson quite some time before it was ever mentioned on the actual show. Likely it was chosen by the writers before being mentioned.

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* DarrenCriss, Creator/DarrenCriss, who plays Blaine on ''Series/{{Glee}}'', said in an interview that Blaine's last name is Anderson quite some time before it was ever mentioned on the actual show. Likely it was chosen by the writers before being mentioned.



** Producer John Nathan Turner was the source of the phrase "There is no hanky panky aboard the TARDIS". It was even mentioned in a 1984 issue of Time Magazine. This makes the widespread assumption that the Doctor (especially in the classic series) is asexual more than just mere fan speculation. Since Nu Who, however, it's been treated as depending on the incarnation. Nine was very enthusiastic about 51st Century humanity's views on sexuality, Ten was more of a romantic, and Eleven has NoNudityTaboo but does have sex, and Twelve is implied to be demisexual (some originally assumed asexual, but his interactions with Clara, Missy and River disprove that, though it should be noted that on screen nothing sexual has ever been implied related any of the three).

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** Producer John Nathan Turner was the source of the phrase "There is no hanky panky aboard the TARDIS". It was even mentioned in a 1984 issue of Time Magazine. This makes the widespread assumption that the Doctor (especially in the classic series) is asexual more than just mere fan speculation. Since Nu Who, however, it's been treated as depending on the incarnation. Nine was very enthusiastic about 51st Century humanity's views on sexuality, Ten was more of a romantic, and Eleven has had NoNudityTaboo but does did have sex, and Twelve is implied to be demisexual (some originally assumed asexual, but his interactions with Clara, Missy and River disprove that, though it should be noted that on screen nothing sexual has ever been implied related to any of the three).


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** This got to a point during the eighties and nineties where some of the TV series' writers were pushing, effectively, for a viewpoint saying the Doctor had ''never'' had sex, despite the existence of his granddaughter Susan (which they got around by saying she'd been adopted). This never got on screen, but it did find its way into the Expanded Universe (e.g. Marc Platt's Literature/DoctorWhoNewAdventures, which fed into the rest of the line, or Eric Saward's short story "Birth of a Renegade").
3rd Jan '17 7:30:15 PM Sharysa
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* In an interview with Creator/EllenDegeneres, Creator/OscarIsaac mentioned that he was playing a "romance" as Poe Dameron in ''Film/TheForceAwakens''. Many fans took this as confirmation that the chemistry between Poe and Finn was intentional.

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* In an interview with Creator/EllenDegeneres, Creator/OscarIsaac mentioned that he was playing a "romance" as Poe Dameron in ''Film/TheForceAwakens''. Many fans took this as confirmation that the chemistry between Poe and Finn was intentional. John Boyega has also said that he was playing Finn's scenes with Poe as romance, so the only thing left is for the director to openly say that Finn and Poe are gay.
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