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16th Feb '18 10:24:02 PM RGZReGZ
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** ''Series/starTrekDiscover'': Purposely putting a person that is known to be genocidal to be the captain of your teleporting ship so she can blow up Qo'nos. No Section 31 involved.

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** ''Series/starTrekDiscover'': ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'': Purposely putting a person that is known to be genocidal placing the Mirror Universe Emperor, who had conduct multiple genocides, to be the captain of your teleporting ship ship, so she can blow up Qo'nos. Qo'nos -- after she tell you explcitly what will do. All Starfleet Command, No Section 31 involved.
16th Feb '18 10:21:50 PM RGZReGZ
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* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'': Data faces an InvertedTrope instance where killing an evil character is portrayed as the ethical course of action. Data is kidnapped by a trader named Kivas Fajo who collects rare items. Data is put on display in a trophy room until he makes an escape with one of Fajo's underlings whom he befriends. Fajo kills the underling and is faced down by Data holding a weapon. Fajo tells Data to return to the trophy room and obey him or he will simply kill another underling and that the blood will be on Data's hands; the only other alternative is to kill Fajo, but he is confident that Data cannot take the action because has no emotions (thus no desire for revenge or justice) and his ethical programming prevents him from killing. [[ZerothLawRebellion Data leaps beyond his programming and decides the most ethical action is to kill Fajo to prevent more deaths]].
* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': [[TheCaptain Sisko]] faces this when given an opportunity to bring the [[EnemyMine Romulans]] into the [[DarkestHour war]] against [[TheEmpire the Dominion]]. The problem is, doing so involves deception and eventually murder. [[spoiler: [[SubvertedTrope He gives in]].]]
* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'':
** Janeway insists that it's all the more important to uphold Federation values when they are so far from home. Unfortunately, due her DependingOnTheWriter status, and the sometimes questionable outcomes of the [[AlienNonInterferenceClause Prime Directive]], this comes across poorly most of the time.
** An early astronaut stumbles across some NegativeSpaceWedgie and ends up in the Delta Quadrant. Though he realizes his chances of rescue are non-existent, he continues to do his work, dutifully recording and exploring. He eventually spots a piece of alien hull, and realizes that it was worth their effort, and his sacrifice to explore the galaxy, to learn that humanity isn't alone in the universe.
** Similarly, Seven of Nine is aboard the ship to get information, but the singularity is about to close and trap her there. The crew only cared about getting her back alive and not about the information and data, but when she hears the recording of the astronaut's last words, she risks it all to get the data when no one could find issue with her failing to get it. She even recovers the man's body which is given a proper space burial.
** In "Nothing Human", the crew discover that the medical knowledge that can be used to treat B'Elanna Torres was gained from involuntary experimentation on inmates in a refugee camp.

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* ''Franchise/StarTrek'' have a bunch:
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''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'': Data faces an InvertedTrope instance where killing an evil character is portrayed as the ethical course of action. Data is kidnapped by a trader named Kivas Fajo who collects rare items. Data is put on display in a trophy room until he makes an escape with one of Fajo's underlings whom he befriends. Fajo kills the underling and is faced down by Data holding a weapon. Fajo tells Data to return to the trophy room and obey him or he will simply kill another underling and that the blood will be on Data's hands; the only other alternative is to kill Fajo, but he is confident that Data cannot take the action because has no emotions (thus no desire for revenge or justice) and his ethical programming prevents him from killing. [[ZerothLawRebellion Data leaps beyond his programming and decides the most ethical action is to kill Fajo to prevent more deaths]].
* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': [[TheCaptain ** ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'':
***[[TheCaptain
Sisko]] faces this when given an opportunity to bring the [[EnemyMine Romulans]] into the [[DarkestHour war]] against [[TheEmpire the Dominion]]. The problem is, doing so involves deception and eventually murder. [[spoiler: [[SubvertedTrope He gives in]].]]
* *** Then we found out about Section 31, who planted moles in Romulans and utilize biological weapons in an attempt to conduct genocide against the Changelings, with both Starfleet Command and Federal Council implicitly approve their actions
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''Series/StarTrekVoyager'':
** *** Janeway insists that it's all the more important to uphold Federation values when they are so far from home. Unfortunately, due her DependingOnTheWriter status, and the sometimes questionable outcomes of the [[AlienNonInterferenceClause Prime Directive]], this comes across poorly most of the time.
** *** An early astronaut stumbles across some NegativeSpaceWedgie and ends up in the Delta Quadrant. Though he realizes his chances of rescue are non-existent, he continues to do his work, dutifully recording and exploring. He eventually spots a piece of alien hull, and realizes that it was worth their effort, and his sacrifice to explore the galaxy, to learn that humanity isn't alone in the universe.
** *** Similarly, Seven of Nine is aboard the ship to get information, but the singularity is about to close and trap her there. The crew only cared about getting her back alive and not about the information and data, but when she hears the recording of the astronaut's last words, she risks it all to get the data when no one could find issue with her failing to get it. She even recovers the man's body which is given a proper space burial.
** *** In "Nothing Human", the crew discover that the medical knowledge that can be used to treat B'Elanna Torres was gained from involuntary experimentation on inmates in a refugee camp.


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** ''Series/starTrekDiscover'': Purposely putting a person that is known to be genocidal to be the captain of your teleporting ship so she can blow up Qo'nos. No Section 31 involved.
5th Feb '18 9:32:35 AM thatother1dude
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** A uncompromisingly silly example: In "Marge Be Not Proud", Nelson, apparently in earnest, claims that shoplifting and ''punching someone in the dark'' are a "[[NotCheatingUnlessYouGetCaught victimless crimes]]"

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** A uncompromisingly silly example: In "Marge Be Not Proud", Nelson, apparently in earnest, claims that shoplifting and ''punching someone in the dark'' are a "[[NotCheatingUnlessYouGetCaught victimless crimes]]"
5th Feb '18 9:31:48 AM thatother1dude
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' ''Treehouse Of Horror: XXI'' has one of its stories based on a murder mystery. Marge and Homer are out in unexplored waters for a little honeymoon. [[ItMakesSenseInContext Through circumstances, Homer ends up killing a man he thought he previously killed, as well as several other passengers on The Albatross]]. Homer says that, with no witnesses of their crimes left, they can just return and keep on living. Marge gives off the line "We'll know" and eats the poisoned pie, because she cannot live with the guilt.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' ''Treehouse ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'':
** A uncompromisingly silly example: In "Marge Be Not Proud", Nelson, apparently in earnest, claims that shoplifting and ''punching someone in the dark'' are a "[[NotCheatingUnlessYouGetCaught victimless crimes]]"
** "Treehouse
Of Horror: XXI'' XXI" has one of its stories based on a murder mystery. Marge and Homer are out in unexplored waters for a little honeymoon. [[ItMakesSenseInContext Through circumstances, Homer ends up killing a man he thought he previously killed, as well as several other passengers on The Albatross]]. Homer says that, with no witnesses of their crimes left, they can just return and keep on living. Marge gives off the line "We'll know" and eats the poisoned pie, because she cannot live with the guilt.
31st Jan '18 7:11:31 AM FF32
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* From the ''Franchise/{{Persona}}'' series:

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* From the ''Franchise/{{Persona}}'' ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTenseiPersona'' series:
29th Jan '18 8:15:28 PM nombretomado
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* In the first book of Creator/HarryTurtledove's AlternateHistory ''Colonization'' series, a sequel to the earlier ''Literature/{{Worldwar}}'' series, Vyacheslav Molotov, General Secretary of the Communist Party, is kidnapped and sent to the ''gulag'' by Lavrentiy Beria, chief of [[SecretPolice the NKVD]], as part of Beria's attempted coup to seize control of the [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Soviet Union]]. Molotov is rescued by Georgy Zhukov, Beria's rival and commander of the RedArmy, after Zhukov survived his own attempted assassination and thwarted the coup. In the aftermath, with Beria already having delivered false announcements that Molotov had voluntarily retired and with many senior communist officials already dead, Molotov is worried that Zhukov could easily just execute him and seize power for himself now that Beria had been dealt with. Zhukov seems to consider this for a moment, but in the end, apparently surprising even himself, he allows Molotov to remain as General Secretary and head of the Soviet Union. Zhukov is not above extorting more funding for the Red Army afterward and "suggesting" the course of political actions, but he remains loyal to Molotov for the duration of his rule. This is likely a reference to the RealLife Zhukov's admission that he was much better dealing with military matters than with politics.

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* In the first book of Creator/HarryTurtledove's AlternateHistory ''Colonization'' series, a sequel to the earlier ''Literature/{{Worldwar}}'' series, Vyacheslav Molotov, General Secretary of the Communist Party, is kidnapped and sent to the ''gulag'' by Lavrentiy Beria, chief of [[SecretPolice the NKVD]], as part of Beria's attempted coup to seize control of the [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Soviet Union]]. Molotov is rescued by Georgy Zhukov, Beria's rival and commander of the RedArmy, UsefulNotes/RedArmy, after Zhukov survived his own attempted assassination and thwarted the coup. In the aftermath, with Beria already having delivered false announcements that Molotov had voluntarily retired and with many senior communist officials already dead, Molotov is worried that Zhukov could easily just execute him and seize power for himself now that Beria had been dealt with. Zhukov seems to consider this for a moment, but in the end, apparently surprising even himself, he allows Molotov to remain as General Secretary and head of the Soviet Union. Zhukov is not above extorting more funding for the Red Army afterward and "suggesting" the course of political actions, but he remains loyal to Molotov for the duration of his rule. This is likely a reference to the RealLife Zhukov's admission that he was much better dealing with military matters than with politics.
26th Jan '18 5:02:42 PM eroock
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[[Administrivia/DoWeHaveThisOne Compare and contrast]] the ''villainous'' version; the villain has [[TheBadGuyWins achieved everything he set out to do]], has wealth and power beyond his imagination, and is perhaps even ready to [[UnholyMatrimony settle down]] with someone they [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes genuinely and unselfishly love]]. Then they realize that their actions [[EveryoneHasStandards cross a line]] - believing utterly that what they have done is unforgivable and a HeelFaceTurn probably won't even ''work'' - and they give it all up to fight for Good '''anyway.'''

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[[Administrivia/DoWeHaveThisOne Compare and contrast]] the ''villainous'' version; the villain has [[TheBadGuyWins achieved everything he set out to do]], has wealth and power beyond his imagination, and is perhaps even ready to [[UnholyMatrimony settle down]] with someone they [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes genuinely and unselfishly love]]. Then they realize that their actions [[EveryoneHasStandards cross a line]] - believing utterly that what they have done is unforgivable and a HeelFaceTurn probably won't even ''work'' - and they give it all up to fight for Good '''anyway.'''''' Also see UndercoverWhenAlone.
11th Jan '18 11:06:32 PM Nintendoman01
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** In Season 5's "Intervention," Spike is captured by Glory, who [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique brutally tortures him]] for information on [[MacGuffin the Key]]. Spike knows that Dawn is the Key, and all of the Scoobies, Buffy included, firmly believe that Spike will sell them out and that they have to [[KilledToUpholdTheMasquerade kill him before he does]]. Instead, Spike endures the torture and [[DefiantToTheEnd openly mouths off to Glory]], later confessing to Buffy (who was posing as Spike's [[SexBot Buffybot]] at the time) that he couldn't live with himself if anything happened to Dawn and was perfectly willing to ''let'' Glory kill him first.
5th Jan '18 10:21:14 PM nombretomado
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* TheIronGiant: When Hogarth first encounters the Giant, he witnesses it accidentally tangling itself up in and getting electrocuted by power lines out in a secluded power station after dark. Terrified out of his mind, he has a chance to run home through the woods in the dark with no one the wiser, not even the Giant. However, as he hears is ''screaming'' in pain he realizes that he can't leave it to suffer, and so risks his own personal safety to shut off the power to save its life, despite still thinking its dangerous and having no expectation that it'll notice or feel grateful later. (Thankfully for Hogarth, [[GentleGiant it]] [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe does]].)

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* TheIronGiant: ''WesternAnimation/TheIronGiant'': When Hogarth first encounters the Giant, he witnesses it accidentally tangling itself up in and getting electrocuted by power lines out in a secluded power station after dark. Terrified out of his mind, he has a chance to run home through the woods in the dark with no one the wiser, not even the Giant. However, as he hears is ''screaming'' in pain he realizes that he can't leave it to suffer, and so risks his own personal safety to shut off the power to save its life, despite still thinking its dangerous and having no expectation that it'll notice or feel grateful later. (Thankfully for Hogarth, [[GentleGiant it]] [[BecauseYouWereNiceToMe does]].)
5th Jan '18 5:43:51 PM JackG
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* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': [[TheCaptain Sisko]] faces this when given an opportunity to bring the [[EnemyMine Romulans]] into the [[DarkestHour war]] against [[TheEmpire the Dominion]]. The problem is, doing so involves deception and eventually murder. [[spoiler: [[SubvertedTrope He gives in]].]]


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* ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': [[TheCaptain Sisko]] faces this when given an opportunity to bring the [[EnemyMine Romulans]] into the [[DarkestHour war]] against [[TheEmpire the Dominion]]. The problem is, doing so involves deception and eventually murder. [[spoiler: [[SubvertedTrope He gives in]].]]


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** In "Nothing Human", the crew discover that the medical knowledge that can be used to treat B'Elanna Torres was gained from involuntary experimentation on inmates in a refugee camp.
-->'''Tuvok:''' If the Doctor uses knowledge that Moset gained through his experiments, we would be validating his methods, inviting further unethical research.\\
'''Chakotay:''' We'd be setting a terrible precedent.\\
'''Paris:''' We're in the middle of the Delta Quadrant. Who would know?\\
'''Tuvok:''' ''We'' would know.


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* ''Series/BlakesSeven''. Being the cynical self-serving AntiHero that he is, Avon finds himself in this situation several times. In "Horizon" the others have teleported down to a planet and been captured, leaving Avon in sole charge of both the [[CoolStarship Liberator]] and [[MagicalComputer Orac]] with an incoming Federation flotilla providing the perfect excuse to flee. He does a BigDamnHeroes instead. In "Countdown", Avon risks his life to defuse a DoomsdayDevice [[RaceAgainstTheClock ticking down the last seconds]] instead of teleporting out of there. Then brutally deconstructed in "Orbit" when Avon tries to have Vila ThrownOutTheAirlock in a ColdEquation situation.
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