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29th Jun '17 11:48:17 PM WikiGuardianAngel
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* [[CloningBlues Clones]], [[ExpendableAlternateUniverse parallel universe duplicates]], and other {{Doppelganger}}s are [[ExpendableClone often considered expendable]], even if they absolutely ''are'' biologically human and independent individuals with unique personalities. Restoring an AI from a backup copy is often treated like a DisneyDeath. This is all provided at least one "instance" of each character survives. ("Sorry, but we only need one flannel shirt-wearing comic relief guy.") The thing is, [[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff400/fv00383.htm it should be more like a twin sibling dying,]] instead it's a more casual ImmortalLifeIsCheap. See also AngstySurvivingTwin.

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* [[CloningBlues Clones]], [[ExpendableAlternateUniverse parallel universe duplicates]], and other {{Doppelganger}}s are [[ExpendableClone often considered expendable]], even if they absolutely ''are'' biologically human and sentient and independent individuals with unique personalities. Restoring an AI from a backup copy is often treated like a DisneyDeath. This is all provided at least one "instance" of each character survives. ("Sorry, but we only need one flannel shirt-wearing comic relief guy.") The thing is, [[http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff400/fv00383.htm it should be more like a twin sibling dying,]] instead it's a more casual ImmortalLifeIsCheap. See also AngstySurvivingTwin.
27th May '17 11:34:35 PM WikiGuardianAngel
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Intelligence, emotions, [[MoralityTropes moral compass]] and whether the character in question is [[TheUndead actually alive in the conventional sense]] are usually what dictate the morality of the situation. But more often than not, it's also based upon the human-like [[SlidingScaleOfAnthromorphism physical]] and [[HumansAreSpecial psychological]] traits the character has (an issue further explored in [[http://www.fanboy.com/2010/01/are-humans-biased-to-thinking-that-only-humanoids-are-intelligent.html this blog post]]). The sliding scale usually goes something like this:

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Intelligence, emotions, [[MoralityTropes moral compass]] and whether the character in question is [[TheUndead actually alive in the conventional sense]] are usually what dictate the morality of the situation. But more often than not, it's also based upon the human-like [[SlidingScaleOfAnthromorphism [[SlidingScaleOfAnthropomorphism physical]] and [[HumansAreSpecial psychological]] traits the character has (an issue further explored in [[http://www.fanboy.com/2010/01/are-humans-biased-to-thinking-that-only-humanoids-are-intelligent.html this blog post]]). The sliding scale usually goes something like this:
27th May '17 11:32:21 PM WikiGuardianAngel
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Intelligence and emotions, and whether the character in question is actually alive in the conventional sense, are usually what dictate the morality of the situation. But more often than not, it's based upon how human-like the character is (an issue further explored in [[http://www.fanboy.com/2010/01/are-humans-biased-to-thinking-that-only-humanoids-are-intelligent.html this blog post]]). The sliding scale usually goes something like this:

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Intelligence and Intelligence, emotions, [[MoralityTropes moral compass]] and whether the character in question is [[TheUndead actually alive in the conventional sense, sense]] are usually what dictate the morality of the situation. But more often than not, it's also based upon how the human-like [[SlidingScaleOfAnthromorphism physical]] and [[HumansAreSpecial psychological]] traits the character is has (an issue further explored in [[http://www.fanboy.com/2010/01/are-humans-biased-to-thinking-that-only-humanoids-are-intelligent.html this blog post]]). The sliding scale usually goes something like this:
13th Feb '17 7:04:49 AM Larkmarn
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In general, the more thought that is put into the script, the more value nonhuman life will have. This trope is TruthInTelevision- many breeds of parrots in RealLife have a voice that qualifies them as a human, yet aren't given the same rights as Homo sapiens. See also ThatPoorPlant, OfThePeople, ZombieAdvocate, InhumanableAlienRights, VanHelsingHateCrimes, and FantasticRacism. The flipside of sorts is WhatMeasureIsANonSuper. Related tropes are UncannyValley, TheyWouldCutYouUp, and EmergencyTransformation. Contrast with AndroidsArePeopleToo.

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In general, the more thought that is put into the script, the more value nonhuman life will have. This trope is TruthInTelevision- many breeds of parrots in often used as a metaphor for the RealLife have a voice that qualifies them as a human, yet aren't given the same rights as Homo sapiens.issues of animal and human rights. See also ThatPoorPlant, OfThePeople, ZombieAdvocate, InhumanableAlienRights, VanHelsingHateCrimes, and FantasticRacism. The flipside of sorts is WhatMeasureIsANonSuper. Related tropes are UncannyValley, TheyWouldCutYouUp, and EmergencyTransformation. Contrast with AndroidsArePeopleToo.
13th Feb '17 12:25:54 AM dotheroar
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In general, the more thought that is put into the script, the more value nonhuman life will have. This trope is often used as a metaphor for the RealLife issues of animal and human rights. See also ThatPoorPlant, OfThePeople, ZombieAdvocate, InhumanableAlienRights, VanHelsingHateCrimes, and FantasticRacism. The flipside of sorts is WhatMeasureIsANonSuper. Related tropes are UncannyValley, TheyWouldCutYouUp, and EmergencyTransformation. Contrast with AndroidsArePeopleToo.

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In general, the more thought that is put into the script, the more value nonhuman life will have. This trope is often used as a metaphor for the TruthInTelevision- many breeds of parrots in RealLife issues of animal and human rights.have a voice that qualifies them as a human, yet aren't given the same rights as Homo sapiens. See also ThatPoorPlant, OfThePeople, ZombieAdvocate, InhumanableAlienRights, VanHelsingHateCrimes, and FantasticRacism. The flipside of sorts is WhatMeasureIsANonSuper. Related tropes are UncannyValley, TheyWouldCutYouUp, and EmergencyTransformation. Contrast with AndroidsArePeopleToo.
26th Nov '16 6:58:26 AM StFan
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** WhatMeasureIsANonHuman/{{DCAU}}

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** WhatMeasureIsANonHuman/{{DCAU}}WhatMeasureIsANonHuman/DCAnimatedUniverse
26th Nov '16 12:03:38 AM __Vano
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There is an [[SortingAlgorithmOfMortality invisible value]] placed on the existence of non-human characters in fiction, compared with the value of the life of a human. Killing/destroying one may or may not be the same thing as [[ThouShaltNotKill killing a human]]. The difference between NotEvenHuman on one end of the scale and NotQuiteHuman on the other can be a very fine one, and where a series chooses to draw that line can vary as wildly as the writers' imaginations.

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There is an [[SortingAlgorithmOfMortality invisible value]] placed on the existence of non-human characters in fiction, compared with the [[HumansAreSpecial value of the life of a human.human]]. Killing/destroying one may or may not be the same thing as [[ThouShaltNotKill killing a human]]. The difference between NotEvenHuman on one end of the scale and NotQuiteHuman on the other can be a very fine one, and where a series chooses to draw that line can vary as wildly as the writers' imaginations.
25th Jul '16 6:19:01 AM I_love_dragons
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* On to living things. The value of the life of a non-human [[AnimalMotifs animal]] in fiction, distressingly, tends to relate directly to how much humans like said animal. Thus dogs are protected by InfantImmortality but [[ReptilesAreAbhorrent snakes]], spiders and [[BugWar insects]] are trampled without a second thought. Sadly, this is TruthInTelevision. To paraphrase an old Denis Leary routine about the Endangered Species Act, "You ''know'' how this is going to end! Eventually, [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters only the cute and cool animals will get to live!"]]

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* On to living things. The value of the life of a non-human [[AnimalMotifs animal]] in fiction, distressingly, tends to relate directly to how much humans like said animal. Thus dogs are protected by InfantImmortality but [[ReptilesAreAbhorrent snakes]], spiders and [[BugWar insects]] are trampled without a second thought. Sadly, this is TruthInTelevision. To paraphrase an old Denis Leary routine about the Endangered Species Act, "You ''know'' how this is going to end! Eventually, [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters only the cute and cool animals will get to live!"]]
29th Apr '16 10:40:46 AM Malady
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In general, the more thought that is put into the script, the more value nonhuman life will have. This trope is often used as a metaphor for the RealLife issues of animal and human rights. See also ThatPoorPlant, OfThePeople, ZombieAdvocate, InhumanableAlienRights VanHelsingHateCrimes, and FantasticRacism. The flipside of sorts is WhatMeasureIsANonSuper. Related tropes are UncannyValley, TheyWouldCutYouUp, and EmergencyTransformation. Contrast with AndroidsArePeopleToo.

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In general, the more thought that is put into the script, the more value nonhuman life will have. This trope is often used as a metaphor for the RealLife issues of animal and human rights. See also ThatPoorPlant, OfThePeople, ZombieAdvocate, InhumanableAlienRights InhumanableAlienRights, VanHelsingHateCrimes, and FantasticRacism. The flipside of sorts is WhatMeasureIsANonSuper. Related tropes are UncannyValley, TheyWouldCutYouUp, and EmergencyTransformation. Contrast with AndroidsArePeopleToo.
3rd Mar '16 1:11:00 PM Pastykake
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* [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Vampires]], while they are technically among the undead, have variable ranges simply because they usually have more personality. Most characters can kill them anyway even if they're [[TechnicalPacifist Technical Pacifists]]. Certain depictions of Franchise/{{Batman}} and King Graham from ''VideoGame/KingsQuest'' have killed off {{Dracula}} with favorable karmic results (With Graham, the FanRemake takes a different route), even when killing ''anything'' is anathema to them. The idea here, as well as with the other undead mentioned above, may be "Well, technically, they're ''already'' dead, so it's okay! And anyway, Vampires are AlwaysChaoticEvil!"

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* [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Vampires]], while they are although technically among the undead, have variable ranges simply because they usually have more personality. Most characters can kill them anyway even if they're [[TechnicalPacifist Technical Pacifists]]. Certain depictions of Franchise/{{Batman}} and King Graham from ''VideoGame/KingsQuest'' have killed off {{Dracula}} with favorable karmic results (With Graham, the FanRemake takes a different route), even when killing ''anything'' is anathema to them. The idea here, as well as with the other undead mentioned above, may be "Well, technically, they're ''already'' dead, so it's okay! And anyway, Vampires are AlwaysChaoticEvil!"



This also tends to happen in a metafictional way: many animated series' and video games can [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar get away with horrific violence and onscreen deaths]] that the censors would've put a quick stop to (or at least given the work a higher rating) had the victims been Human. Robots, the Undead, and the like can be brutally impaled, dismembered, and decapitated onscreen, using this trope on the MoralGuardians even if the work itself averts or subverts the trope in-universe.

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This also tends to happen in a metafictional way: many animated series' series and video games can [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar get away with horrific violence and onscreen deaths]] that the censors would've put a quick stop to (or at least given the work a higher rating) had the victims been Human. human. Robots, the Undead, undead, and the like can be brutally impaled, dismembered, and decapitated onscreen, using this trope on the MoralGuardians even if the work itself averts or subverts the trope in-universe.
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