Main What Measure Is A Nonhuman Discussion

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04:06:33 AM May 27th 2014
The index "starting from least likely" is in a very random order. Are robots and vampires really less likely to be granted right to life than bacteria?
04:05:55 PM Aug 6th 2012
Shouldn't having a soul make something MORE expendable, since they would continue existing after death?
07:01:18 PM May 24th 2011
Why the question mark in the title?
09:16:44 AM Oct 11th 2011
Umm, because it's a question?
11:03:28 PM Apr 15th 2011
edited by DonaldthePotholer
Patrolling The Pit Of Voles gives me a potential Meta example dealing with the Ninety Percent within Mons series. I am going to need some Brave Souls to perform some independent verification, though...

If a Mons series has a high quantity of Fanfic, the vast majority of it deals with the Human Controllers and barely gives mention of the Mons themselves. This is especially prevalent in Shipping fics.

The one exception that I've found thus far is the Mega Man Battle Network series, where the mons are... wait for it... humanoid internet programs! Granted, Pokémon seems to have transcended this lately due, in part, to the Mystery Dungeon series, but the ficdom is still so large that the Mons share is still quite small. (Compare the number of MD fics to the number of Special-based fics, let along Anime-based ones...)
01:53:29 PM Oct 21st 2010
Pulled natter
  • Science Marches On. Not only have we discovered that plants can express distress over being damaged, humans can 'smell' the pheromone that they release. Research is ongoing as it seems unlikely the plants are yelling to their comrades to run away. It's not the same thing as having internal experience, anyway.
    • Wait... Now what are vegans going to eat?
    • The idea that plants have emotions and can think is a conclusion some people have drawn based on what plants do when they're damaged, exposed to certain environmental conditions, or otherwise stimulated. It is likely a false conclusion since plants don't have brains or nervous systems. Also see here and this Scientific American article.
02:54:44 AM Jun 12th 2010
edited by Sen
Sen here, because the Avatar example in the "Meta" section got me thinking. I have no idea if it's this trope in action 100%, but I think some people might have gone the "just nuke 'em" way because of either:

1. being annoyed by having the Navi shoved down their throats

2. Return of the Jedi-ish ridiculous asspull ending.

For the annoyance thing, I guess it's understandable that some people might be annoyed by the Na'vi for various reasons (but chiefly: Screw You, Elves!). Hell, I was too at some points, but not completely (I did get the Screw You, Elves! reaction eventually). In that case, I don't know if I can jump on the "WMIANH" bandwagon - I'd rather invoke Twenty Minutes with Jerks, except stretched to movie-length. But here, instead of wanting some kaiju monster to show up and squelch the annoying twits, you keep waiting for the humans to lay the smackdown.

I personally reviewed Avatar for some website after getting home from the cinema and did argue that the Sequel Baity ending with the non-technologically-advanced natives winning over the army with machine guns, planes and nukes was simply impossible/ridiculous - if things worked that way, Africa and America would've never been colonized now, would it? Then again, I always find these sort of examples are prone to being Wall Bangeriffic because lots of directors don't at least try to make them look plausible somehow. I did mention the "nuke" scenario, but more as a hypothetical - if the company wanted the material THAT bad, they wouldn't have no qualms about nuking an entire planet to get it. After all, this is a film from the guy who introduced Weyland-Yutani as willing to kill an entire colony just for some aliens. Wasn't a stretch for me to expect the same kind of ruthless behaviour (note: I didn't actually agree with this, I just said that this would've been the predictable course of action).

So, I don't really know if the What Measure Is a Non-Human? thing applies to all the mentions of "shoulda nuked 'em". Some, undoubtedly. Others... er, it doesn't strike me as that easy.

And I have no experience with the zoophiliac overtones, so I'm going to stay out of that.
11:57:24 AM Aug 5th 2010
So how bout them low-tech xenomorphs wiping out advanced, heavily armed colonial marines?
11:45:15 AM Sep 3rd 2010
Those "low-tech xenomorphs" of yours are an artificially engineered life-form created for a war between factions of a species that bordered on Sufficiently Advanced Aliens. They can't exactly be called low-tech.
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