History Main / WarIsHell

16th Sep '17 4:01:20 PM nombretomado
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Though isolated examples of this date back to TheRenaissance (in non-fiction), the [[UrExample earliest recognized instance of widespread belief in this trope]] is probably the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar, which [[UsefulNotes/AllTheLittleGermanies ruined the German states]] and involved such frequent changes of alliances that nobody was really sure why anyone was fighting anybody. The mass armies' constant need to raid the populace for conscripts and food meant that it directly affected a large segment of the population when, before, wars had largely passed the vast majority of the people. As a result, several artists of the period depicted war as a distinctly nasty experience, and popular accounts like sayings seem to confirm a rather gloomy attitude. However, after the Thirty Years' War ended, European militaries grew smaller and wars further from the people (until UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, at least), and the trope receded.

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Though isolated examples of this date back to TheRenaissance UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance (in non-fiction), the [[UrExample earliest recognized instance of widespread belief in this trope]] is probably the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar, which [[UsefulNotes/AllTheLittleGermanies ruined the German states]] and involved such frequent changes of alliances that nobody was really sure why anyone was fighting anybody. The mass armies' constant need to raid the populace for conscripts and food meant that it directly affected a large segment of the population when, before, wars had largely passed the vast majority of the people. As a result, several artists of the period depicted war as a distinctly nasty experience, and popular accounts like sayings seem to confirm a rather gloomy attitude. However, after the Thirty Years' War ended, European militaries grew smaller and wars further from the people (until UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, at least), and the trope receded.
1st Sep '17 4:07:01 PM nombretomado
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Though isolated examples of this date back to TheRenaissance (in non-fiction), the [[UrExample earliest recognized instance of widespread belief in this trope]] is probably the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar, which [[AllTheLittleGermanies ruined the German states]] and involved such frequent changes of alliances that nobody was really sure why anyone was fighting anybody. The mass armies' constant need to raid the populace for conscripts and food meant that it directly affected a large segment of the population when, before, wars had largely passed the vast majority of the people. As a result, several artists of the period depicted war as a distinctly nasty experience, and popular accounts like sayings seem to confirm a rather gloomy attitude. However, after the Thirty Years' War ended, European militaries grew smaller and wars further from the people (until UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, at least), and the trope receded.

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Though isolated examples of this date back to TheRenaissance (in non-fiction), the [[UrExample earliest recognized instance of widespread belief in this trope]] is probably the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar, which [[AllTheLittleGermanies [[UsefulNotes/AllTheLittleGermanies ruined the German states]] and involved such frequent changes of alliances that nobody was really sure why anyone was fighting anybody. The mass armies' constant need to raid the populace for conscripts and food meant that it directly affected a large segment of the population when, before, wars had largely passed the vast majority of the people. As a result, several artists of the period depicted war as a distinctly nasty experience, and popular accounts like sayings seem to confirm a rather gloomy attitude. However, after the Thirty Years' War ended, European militaries grew smaller and wars further from the people (until UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, at least), and the trope receded.
6th Aug '17 9:23:51 PM TheNerevarine
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': While the war scenes are spectacular, they are also extremely gruesome and brutal. Soldiers getting dismembered and the more heroic characters killing already downed foes are commonplace. This is probably most pronounced in "Battle of the Bastards", which shows just how brutal it is to fight an army that vastly outnumbers you.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': While the war scenes are spectacular, they are also extremely gruesome and brutal. Soldiers getting dismembered and the more heroic characters killing already downed foes are commonplace. This is probably most pronounced in "Battle of the Bastards", which shows just how brutal it is to fight an army that vastly outnumbers you. Season 7 tops that with the "The Spoils of War" by introducing a ''dragon'' and showing the horror of such beast inflicting it on the battlefield alongside men being butchered like animals and slowly burning to death.
3rd Aug '17 5:22:53 PM Thepenguinking2
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WarIsHell works often show the ''cumulative'' long-term effect of exposure to pain, deprivation, violence, and military culture: the horror goes on and on, dehumanizing everybody a little more each night. Heroes in these stories will typically struggle to PreventTheWar, or end it as bloodlessly and quickly as possible. If not, then merely ''surviving'' physically, and with most of their humanity and sanity intact.

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WarIsHell War Is Hell works often show the ''cumulative'' long-term effect of exposure to pain, deprivation, violence, and military culture: the horror goes on and on, dehumanizing everybody a little more each night. Heroes in these stories will typically struggle to PreventTheWar, or end it as bloodlessly and quickly as possible. If not, then merely ''surviving'' physically, and with most of their humanity and sanity intact.



May overlap with, but not to be confused with, HellIsWar. Contrast WarIsGlorious, which is not mutually exclusive with WarIsHell, especially when the audience [[DoNotDoThisCoolThing gets a kick out of seeing people kill each other, no matter how ugly or condemning the work is]] -- or, more altruistically, when soldiers are painted as heroes specifically because they've volunteered to fight in order to keep the horrors of war away from their loved ones. See also ArmiesAreEvil (highly negative takes on the military).

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May overlap with, but not to be confused with, HellIsWar. Contrast WarIsGlorious, which is not mutually exclusive with WarIsHell, this trope, especially when the audience [[DoNotDoThisCoolThing gets a kick out of seeing people kill each other, no matter how ugly or condemning the work is]] -- or, more altruistically, when soldiers are painted as heroes specifically because they've volunteered to fight in order to keep the horrors of war away from their loved ones. See also ArmiesAreEvil (highly negative takes on the military).



** The protagonist of [[http://www.fimfiction.net/story/90939/shell-shock Shell Shock]] combines this with an obsession over getting revenge, as well as the idea of [[WarIsGlorious military glory,]] for some seriously dark results. The story is an unflinchingly brutal example of a WarIsHell piece. Seriously, [[http://www.fimfiction.net/story/90939/shell-shock take a look at it.]]

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** The protagonist of [[http://www.fimfiction.net/story/90939/shell-shock Shell Shock]] combines this with an obsession over getting revenge, as well as the idea of [[WarIsGlorious military glory,]] for some seriously dark results. The story is an unflinchingly brutal example of a WarIsHell "war is hell" piece. Seriously, [[http://www.fimfiction.net/story/90939/shell-shock take a look at it.]]
30th Jul '17 9:38:23 PM Toadofsteel
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** ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': As the only ''Franchise/StarTrek'' series which showed a long time war (the Dominion War) the show often ventured into this with episodes like "Nor the Battle to the Strong" and "The Siege of [=AR-558=]." It also showed the lasting consequences on the psyche, such as a loss of humanity and [=PTSD=].
*** The most striking was when the war was over. Captain Sisko, Admiral Ross and Chancellor Martok are standing on Cardassia Prime. Martok has brought a barrel of bloodwine to celebrate defeating the Dominion. But Sisko and Ross pour their drinks on the ground, saying that while they are glad the fighting is over they will not toast over the bodies of dead Cardassian civilians.

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** ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'': As the only ''Franchise/StarTrek'' series which showed a long time war (the Dominion War) the show often ventured into this with episodes like "Nor the Battle to the Strong" and "The Siege of [=AR-558=]." It also showed the lasting consequences on the psyche, such as a loss of humanity and [=PTSD=].
[=PTSD=]. The latter episode was directed by a Vietnam veteran, and it shows.
*** The most striking was when the war was over. Captain Sisko, Admiral Ross and Chancellor Martok are standing on Cardassia Prime. Martok has brought a barrel of bloodwine to celebrate defeating the Dominion. But Sisko and Ross pour their drinks on the ground, saying that while they are glad the fighting is over they will not toast over the bodies of dead Cardassian civilians.civilians that had just launched an uprising against the Dominion.
14th Jul '17 5:31:10 PM ANTMuddle
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[[WaxingLyrical War! Hunh! Good God, y'all! What is it good for? Absolutely nuthin'!]] (Though the BloodKnight definitely disagrees.) TruthInTelevision, obviously.

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[[WaxingLyrical War! Hunh! Good God, y'all! What is it good for? Absolutely nuthin'!]] (Though the BloodKnight definitely disagrees.) nuthin'!]] TruthInTelevision, obviously.
13th Jun '17 10:09:28 PM nombretomado
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* ''ComicBook/{{Sturmtruppen}}'' is a satiric comic set during WorldWarII. And once you get past the BlackComedy, you see these soldiers deal with food that goes from barely edible to containing cholera, a [[DrillSergeantNasty sergeant who won't hesitate to torture you for fun]], incompetent officers ruining the work of their more competent colleagues and getting subordinates killed while getting away with it due to {{Nepotism}}, logistic officers embezzling the much needed food and clothes or (in one occasion) burning them to hide the lack of winter clothes... And the soldiers are so desensitised to all of this they ''treat it as normal'', and even joke about the new guy who thought that WarIsGlorious [[AndIMustScream being blown up on a minefield he himself set up and surviving without arms, legs, his five senses and the ability to call the doctors whenever he wets himself]].

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* ''ComicBook/{{Sturmtruppen}}'' is a satiric comic set during WorldWarII.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. And once you get past the BlackComedy, you see these soldiers deal with food that goes from barely edible to containing cholera, a [[DrillSergeantNasty sergeant who won't hesitate to torture you for fun]], incompetent officers ruining the work of their more competent colleagues and getting subordinates killed while getting away with it due to {{Nepotism}}, logistic officers embezzling the much needed food and clothes or (in one occasion) burning them to hide the lack of winter clothes... And the soldiers are so desensitised to all of this they ''treat it as normal'', and even joke about the new guy who thought that WarIsGlorious [[AndIMustScream being blown up on a minefield he himself set up and surviving without arms, legs, his five senses and the ability to call the doctors whenever he wets himself]].



** In ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS25E1RemembranceOfTheDaleks Remembrance of the Daleks]]'', a Dalek asks one of its human collaborators if he's bothered by selling out his entire race to further his own aims. The collaborator (a veteran of WorldWarTwo) shrugs and responds with this exact phrase.

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** In ''[[Recap/DoctorWhoS25E1RemembranceOfTheDaleks Remembrance of the Daleks]]'', a Dalek asks one of its human collaborators if he's bothered by selling out his entire race to further his own aims. The collaborator (a veteran of WorldWarTwo) UsefulNotes/WorldWarII) shrugs and responds with this exact phrase.



* ''Series/DowntonAbbey'' season 2 which is set in WorldWarOne.

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* ''Series/DowntonAbbey'' season 2 which is set in WorldWarOne.UsefulNotes/WorldWarI.
6th Jun '17 1:13:35 PM Psyclone
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** ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'': The episode "A Taste of Armageddon" centered on two planets involved in a clean war lasting centuries, [[AMillionIsAStatistic where computers played out virtual battles, and the people on each side were executed to match the results]]. When the Enterprise gets caught up in it, Kirk destroys the war computers, pointing out that war is ''supposed'' be Hell (InvokedTrope), so that people will avoid it. The fear of a real war scares the planets into peace talks.

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** ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'': The episode "A Taste of Armageddon" centered on two planets involved in a clean "clean" war lasting centuries, [[AMillionIsAStatistic where computers played out virtual battles, and the people on each side were executed to match the results]]. When the Enterprise gets caught up in it, Kirk destroys the war computers, pointing out that war is ''supposed'' be Hell (InvokedTrope), so that people will avoid it. The fear of a real war scares the planets into peace talks.
27th May '17 2:12:42 PM nombretomado
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* Parodied on an ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' where Steve becomes a ShellShockedVeteran after spending the weekend with a group VietnamWar recreationists. The episode is a parody of war films.

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* Parodied on an ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' where Steve becomes a ShellShockedVeteran after spending the weekend with a group VietnamWar UsefulNotes/VietnamWar recreationists. The episode is a parody of war films.
3rd Apr '17 9:04:48 PM nombretomado
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* Every story in ''PokeWars'' is filled with examples of this trope. The effects of the supercharged Pokémon attacks are described in graphic detail, as well as the feelings of the victim if it's still alive after the hit. The characters' reactions to the more trauma-inducing happenings are just as vividly written.

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* Every story in ''PokeWars'' ''Fanfic/PokeWars'' is filled with examples of this trope. The effects of the supercharged Pokémon attacks are described in graphic detail, as well as the feelings of the victim if it's still alive after the hit. The characters' reactions to the more trauma-inducing happenings are just as vividly written.
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