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7th Mar '17 1:19:03 PM Az_Tech341
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7th Mar '17 1:18:37 PM Az_Tech341
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WarIsHell works often show the ''cumulative'' long-term effect of exposure to pain, deprivation, violence, and military culture: the horror goes on and on, dehumanizing everybody a little more each night. Heroes in theses stories will typically struggle to PreventTheWar, or end it as bloodlessly and quickly as possible. If not, then merely ''surviving'' physically, and with most of their humanity and sanity intact.

Historically, this trope might be NewerThanTheyThink. [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy There is a long literary tradition of]] [[WarIsGlorious glorifying war]]: [[RatedMForManly bravery, discipline, manliness,]] [[MartyrdomCulture martyrdom]] and the [[ValuesDissonance right of the]] [[SocialDarwinist strong to take from the weak]]. As photographs, film and other forms of mass media from the front became more and more common, the newer trope became more and more mainstream, eventually making said tradition obsolete -- it's easier to glorify war when you can't see it up close. And there was one other major contributing factor to the paradigm shift: the increasing ''brutality'' of how war was waged. To wit...

Though isolated examples of this date back to TheRenaissance (in non-fiction), the [[UrExample earliest recognized instance of widespread belief in this trope]] is probably the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar, which dragged on forever, [[AllTheLittleGermanies ruined the German states]], and involved such frequent changes of alliances that nobody was really sure why anyone was fighting anybody. The mass armies' constant need to raid the populace for conscripts and food meant that it directly affected a large segment of the population when before, wars had largely passed the vast majority of the people by. As a result, several artists of the period depicted war as a distinctly nasty experience, and popular accounts like sayings seem to confirm a rather gloomy attitude. However, after the Thirty Years' War ended, European militaries grew smaller and wars further from the people (until UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, at least), and the trope receded.

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WarIsHell works often show the ''cumulative'' long-term effect of exposure to pain, deprivation, violence, and military culture: the horror goes on and on, dehumanizing everybody a little more each night. Heroes in theses these stories will typically struggle to PreventTheWar, or end it as bloodlessly and quickly as possible. If not, then merely ''surviving'' physically, and with most of their humanity and sanity intact.

Historically, this trope might be NewerThanTheyThink. [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy There is a long literary tradition of]] [[WarIsGlorious glorifying war]]: [[RatedMForManly bravery, discipline, manliness,]] [[MartyrdomCulture martyrdom]] and the [[ValuesDissonance right of the]] [[SocialDarwinist strong to take from the weak]]. As photographs, film and other forms of mass media from the front became more and more common, the newer trope became more and more mainstream, eventually making said tradition obsolete -- it's easier to glorify war when you can't see it up close. And there was one other major contributing factor to the paradigm shift: the increasing ''brutality'' of how war was waged. To wit...

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Though isolated examples of this date back to TheRenaissance (in non-fiction), the [[UrExample earliest recognized instance of widespread belief in this trope]] is probably the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar, which dragged on forever, [[AllTheLittleGermanies ruined the German states]], and involved such frequent changes of alliances that nobody was really sure why anyone was fighting anybody. The mass armies' constant need to raid the populace for conscripts and food meant that it directly affected a large segment of the population when when, before, wars had largely passed the vast majority of the people by.people. As a result, several artists of the period depicted war as a distinctly nasty experience, and popular accounts like sayings seem to confirm a rather gloomy attitude. However, after the Thirty Years' War ended, European militaries grew smaller and wars further from the people (until UsefulNotes/TheNapoleonicWars, at least), and the trope receded.



Second, being in constant fear for your life and limb is obviously stressful. Especially in the era of modern industrialized combat, which is more dehumanizing than ancient combat. Back then, if you were a genuine badass with both talent and training, you felt like you were in control of your destiny. Furthermore, war often took the form of [[RapePillageAndBurn raiding and rustling]] and might have actually been fun (at least from the perspective of those who weren't losing all their worldly goods to the enemy). Modern warfare with its mines, partisans, snipers, machine-guns, grenades, mortars, artillery, gunship-helicopters, ground-attack aircraft, firestorms, poisonous gasses, deadly toxins, infectious diseases, killer drones, and massive conventional and nuclear bombs, mean that [[DeathFromAbove death can strike without warning or defense]] - instilling a mindset of paranoia, insignificance, helplessness and nihilistic despair similar to that portrayed by LovecraftianFiction. Chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons in particular render your actions more-or-less totally meaningless, as your life itself depends entirely upon whether or ''when'' the enemy chooses to use them upon you.

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Second, being in constant fear for your life and limb is obviously stressful. Especially in the era of modern industrialized combat, which is more dehumanizing than ancient combat. Back then, if you were a genuine badass with both talent and training, you felt like you were in control of your destiny. Furthermore, war often took the form of [[RapePillageAndBurn raiding and rustling]] and might have actually been fun (at least from the perspective of those who weren't losing all their worldly goods to the enemy). Modern warfare with its mines, partisans, snipers, machine-guns, grenades, mortars, artillery, gunship-helicopters, ground-attack aircraft, firestorms, poisonous gasses, gases, deadly toxins, infectious diseases, killer drones, and massive conventional and nuclear bombs, mean that [[DeathFromAbove death can strike without warning or defense]] - instilling a mindset of paranoia, insignificance, helplessness and nihilistic despair similar to that portrayed by LovecraftianFiction. Chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons in particular render your actions more-or-less totally meaningless, as your life itself depends entirely upon whether or ''when'' the enemy chooses to use them upon you.



This is TruthInTelevision, past, present and future. [[Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease As such, real life examples would be redundant.]]

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': While the war scenes are spectacular, they are also extremely gruesome and brutal. Soldiers getting dismembered and the more heroic characters killing already downed foes are commonplace. This is probably most pronounced in "Battle of the Bastards", which shows just how brutal it is to for fight an army that vastly outnumbers you.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': While the war scenes are spectacular, they are also extremely gruesome and brutal. Soldiers getting dismembered and the more heroic characters killing already downed foes are commonplace. This is probably most pronounced in "Battle of the Bastards", which shows just how brutal it is to for fight an army that vastly outnumbers you.
7th Mar '17 9:14:46 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': While the war scenes are spectacular, they are also extremely gruesome and brutal. Soldiers getting dismembered and the more heroic characters killing already downed foes are commonplace. This is probably most pronounced in "Battle of the Bastards", which shows just how brutal it is to for fight an army that vastly outnumbers you.
25th Feb '17 2:19:48 PM nombretomado
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* In the ''{{Discworld}}'' fics of Creator/AAPessimal, students at the Guild of Assassins are taught that it is better to kill a handful of people at the right time (if a suitable contract exists) than to let those people live to srart a war that causes political instability, economic havoc with a detrimental effect on wealth and wellbeing, and which might incidentally result in the lives of thousands being lost. Thus you might be credited for bringing about a greater good - and you still get to claim the contract fee. So steel yourself to committing the correct inhumation at the apposite time, and show no pity. Be professional. ''Nil mortifi sine lucre.''

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* In the ''{{Discworld}}'' ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' fics of Creator/AAPessimal, students at the Guild of Assassins are taught that it is better to kill a handful of people at the right time (if a suitable contract exists) than to let those people live to srart a war that causes political instability, economic havoc with a detrimental effect on wealth and wellbeing, and which might incidentally result in the lives of thousands being lost. Thus you might be credited for bringing about a greater good - and you still get to claim the contract fee. So steel yourself to committing the correct inhumation at the apposite time, and show no pity. Be professional. ''Nil mortifi sine lucre.''
6th Feb '17 9:28:43 PM Az_Tech341
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* {{Invoked| trope}} by Dmitri Romanov in ''Comicbook/{{Nikolai Dante}}'' - he scoffs at old-fashioned ideas like 'smart weaponry' and 'surgical strikes', believing that was should have massive casualties, including many civilians, so that people never forget that war is horrendous. He leaves unsaid that fear of such terrors will discourage people from going to war against ''him''. Oh, and he says this when the story is a year into a {{civil war}} [[{{hypocrite}} which he intentionally started]].

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* {{Invoked| trope}} by Dmitri Romanov in ''Comicbook/{{Nikolai Dante}}'' - he scoffs at old-fashioned ideas like 'smart weaponry' and 'surgical strikes', believing that was wars should have massive casualties, including many civilians, so that people never forget that war is horrendous. He leaves unsaid that fear of such terrors will discourage people from going to war against ''him''. Oh, and he against. He says this when the story is a year into a {{civil war}} [[{{hypocrite}} which he intentionally started]].started.
6th Feb '17 2:02:19 PM VampireBuddha
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* {{Invoked| trope}} by Dmitri Romanov in ''Comicbook/{{Nikolai Dante}}'' - he scoffs at old-fashioned ideas like 'smart weaponry' and 'surgical strikes', believing that was should have massive casualties, including many civilians, so that people never forget that war is horrendous. He leaves unsaid that fear of such terrors will discourage people from going to war against ''him''. Oh, and he says this when the story is a year into a {{civil war}} [[{{hypocrite}} which he intentionally started]].
6th Feb '17 7:41:35 AM AgProv
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* In the ''{{Discworld}}'' fics of Creator/AAPessimal, students at the Guild of Assassins are taught that it is better to kill a handful of people at the right time (if a suitable contract exists) than to let those people live to srart a war that causes political instability, economic havoc with a detrimental effect on wealth and wellbeing, and wehich might incidentally result in the lives of thousands being lost. thus you might be credited for bringing about a greater good - and you still get to claim the contract fee. So steel yourself to committing the correct inhumation at the apposite time, and show no pity. Be professional. ''Nil mortifi sine lucre.''

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* In the ''{{Discworld}}'' fics of Creator/AAPessimal, students at the Guild of Assassins are taught that it is better to kill a handful of people at the right time (if a suitable contract exists) than to let those people live to srart a war that causes political instability, economic havoc with a detrimental effect on wealth and wellbeing, and wehich which might incidentally result in the lives of thousands being lost. thus Thus you might be credited for bringing about a greater good - and you still get to claim the contract fee. So steel yourself to committing the correct inhumation at the apposite time, and show no pity. Be professional. ''Nil mortifi sine lucre.''
6th Feb '17 7:40:50 AM AgProv
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* In the ''{{Discworld}}'' fics of Creator/AAPessimal, students at the Guild of Assassins are taught that it is better to kill a handful of people at the right time (if a suitable contract exists) than to let those people live to srart a war that causes political instability, economic havoc with a detrimental effect on wealth and wellbeing, and wehich might incidentally result in the lives of thousands being lost. thus you might be credited for bringing about a greater good - and you still get to claim the contract fee. So steel yourself to committing the correct inhumation at the apposite time, and show no pity. Be professional. ''Nil mortifi sine lucre.''
19th Dec '16 1:26:06 AM BoukenDutch
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* Although it keeps the amount of violence to what is acceptable for a childrens series, ''WesternAnimaton/BooBoomTheLongWayHome'' still makes no attempt to hide how awful World War II was, and war in general is. For starters, the war is what landed the protagonist, Boo-Boom, in his current situation; being seperated from his parents during an air attack. As he and his friends travel Italy, itís shown numerous times how everyday life for normal citizens who never wanted anything to do with the war is turned upside down because of it.

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* Although it keeps the amount of violence to what is acceptable for a childrens series, ''WesternAnimaton/BooBoomTheLongWayHome'' ''WesternAnimation/BooBoomTheLongWayHome'' still makes no attempt to hide how awful World War II was, and war in general is. For starters, the war is what landed the protagonist, Boo-Boom, in his current situation; being seperated from his parents during an air attack. As he and his friends travel Italy, itís shown numerous times how everyday life for normal citizens who never wanted anything to do with the war is turned upside down because of it.
19th Dec '16 1:25:33 AM BoukenDutch
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* Although it keeps the amount of violence to what is acceptable for a childrens series, ''WesternAnimaton/BuBumLaStradaVersoCasa'' still makes no attempt to hide how awful World War II was, and war in general is. For starters, the war is what landed the protagonist, Bu-Bum, in his current situation; being seperated from his parents during an air attack. As he and his friends travel Italy, itís shown numerous times how everyday life for normal citizens who never wanted anything to do with the war is turned upside down because of it.

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* Although it keeps the amount of violence to what is acceptable for a childrens series, ''WesternAnimaton/BuBumLaStradaVersoCasa'' ''WesternAnimaton/BooBoomTheLongWayHome'' still makes no attempt to hide how awful World War II was, and war in general is. For starters, the war is what landed the protagonist, Bu-Bum, Boo-Boom, in his current situation; being seperated from his parents during an air attack. As he and his friends travel Italy, itís shown numerous times how everyday life for normal citizens who never wanted anything to do with the war is turned upside down because of it.
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