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19th Dec '16 1:26:06 AM BoukenDutch
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* Although it keeps the amount of violence to what is acceptable for a childrens series, ''WesternAnimaton/BooBoomTheLongWayHome'' still makes no attempt to hide how awful World War II was, and war in general is. For starters, the war is what landed the protagonist, Boo-Boom, in his current situation; being seperated from his parents during an air attack. As he and his friends travel Italy, itís shown numerous times how everyday life for normal citizens who never wanted anything to do with the war is turned upside down because of it.

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* Although it keeps the amount of violence to what is acceptable for a childrens series, ''WesternAnimaton/BooBoomTheLongWayHome'' ''WesternAnimation/BooBoomTheLongWayHome'' still makes no attempt to hide how awful World War II was, and war in general is. For starters, the war is what landed the protagonist, Boo-Boom, in his current situation; being seperated from his parents during an air attack. As he and his friends travel Italy, itís shown numerous times how everyday life for normal citizens who never wanted anything to do with the war is turned upside down because of it.
19th Dec '16 1:25:33 AM BoukenDutch
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* Although it keeps the amount of violence to what is acceptable for a childrens series, ''WesternAnimaton/BuBumLaStradaVersoCasa'' still makes no attempt to hide how awful World War II was, and war in general is. For starters, the war is what landed the protagonist, Bu-Bum, in his current situation; being seperated from his parents during an air attack. As he and his friends travel Italy, itís shown numerous times how everyday life for normal citizens who never wanted anything to do with the war is turned upside down because of it.

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* Although it keeps the amount of violence to what is acceptable for a childrens series, ''WesternAnimaton/BuBumLaStradaVersoCasa'' ''WesternAnimaton/BooBoomTheLongWayHome'' still makes no attempt to hide how awful World War II was, and war in general is. For starters, the war is what landed the protagonist, Bu-Bum, Boo-Boom, in his current situation; being seperated from his parents during an air attack. As he and his friends travel Italy, itís shown numerous times how everyday life for normal citizens who never wanted anything to do with the war is turned upside down because of it.
6th Dec '16 11:22:00 PM Az_Tech341
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** Quite a bit of ''ComicBook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise'' and ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'' has been an exploration of just what it means for individuals to have been locked in a brutal war for literal millions of years and the effects that has had on those individuals. Some of the characters were ChildSoldiers who were turned on, given a very brief education (basically, here's how to walk, talk, and hold a gun, took about fifteen minutes) and thrust immediately into combat. Many of the characters have serious psychological issues caused by the violence they've endured.

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** Quite a bit of ''ComicBook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise'' and ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'' has been an exploration of just what it means for individuals to have been locked in a brutal war for literal literally millions of years and the effects that has had on those individuals. Some of the characters were ChildSoldiers who were turned on, given a very brief education (basically, here's how to walk, talk, and hold a gun, took about fifteen minutes) and thrust immediately into combat. Many of the characters have serious psychological issues caused by the violence they've endured.
6th Dec '16 8:00:16 PM BattleMaster
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* ''ComicBook/TheTransformersLastStandOfTheWreckers'' runs on this trope, as a {{deconstruction}} of a franchise that usually takes a RuleOfCool approach to its central CivilWar theme.

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* IDW has taken the time to explore this a few times in their run of The Transformers:
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''ComicBook/TheTransformersLastStandOfTheWreckers'' runs on this trope, as a {{deconstruction}} of a franchise that usually takes a RuleOfCool approach to its central CivilWar theme.theme.
** ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMonstrosity'': Focuses on the bleakness of war. The Autobots realize that they're going to be in this for the long run, and the entire planet has to pick a side, and many want to leave, not wanting to die or trust anyone. The Autobots and Decepticons also realize that ideals, ruthlessness and compassion will not win the war, resources will, and that they may have damned themselves with what little is left on the planet.
** Quite a bit of ''ComicBook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise'' and ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'' has been an exploration of just what it means for individuals to have been locked in a brutal war for literal millions of years and the effects that has had on those individuals. Some of the characters were ChildSoldiers who were turned on, given a very brief education (basically, here's how to walk, talk, and hold a gun, took about fifteen minutes) and thrust immediately into combat. Many of the characters have serious psychological issues caused by the violence they've endured.



* ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMonstrosity'': Focuses on the bleakness of war. The Autobots realize that they're going to be in this for the long run, and the entire planet has to pick a side, and many want to leave, not wanting to die or trust anyone. The Autobots and Decepticons also realize that ideals, ruthlessness and compassion will not win the war, resources will, and that they may have damned themselves with what little is left on the planet.
3rd Dec '16 10:34:13 AM BoukenDutch
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* Although it keeps the amount of violence to what is acceptable for a childrens series, ''WesternAnimaton/BuBumLaStradaVersoCasa'' still makes no attempt to hide how awful World War II was, and war in general is. For starters, the war is what landed the protagonist, Bu-Bum, in his current situation; being seperated from his parents during an air attack. As he and his friends travel Italy, itís shown numerous times how everyday life for normal citizens who never wanted anything to do with the war is turned upside down because of it.
1st Dec '16 12:15:22 PM Morgenthaler
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Historically, this trope might be NewerThanTheyThink. [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy There is a long literary tradition of]] [[WarIsGlorious glorifying war]]: [[{{Badass}} bravery, discipline, manliness,]] [[MartyrdomCulture martyrdom]] and the [[ValuesDissonance right of the]] [[SocialDarwinist strong to take from the weak]]. As photographs, film and other forms of mass media from the front became more and more common, the newer trope became more and more mainstream, eventually making said tradition obsolete -- it's easier to glorify war when you can't see it up close. And there was one other major contributing factor to the paradigm shift: the increasing ''brutality'' of how war was waged. To wit...

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Historically, this trope might be NewerThanTheyThink. [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy There is a long literary tradition of]] [[WarIsGlorious glorifying war]]: [[{{Badass}} [[RatedMForManly bravery, discipline, manliness,]] [[MartyrdomCulture martyrdom]] and the [[ValuesDissonance right of the]] [[SocialDarwinist strong to take from the weak]]. As photographs, film and other forms of mass media from the front became more and more common, the newer trope became more and more mainstream, eventually making said tradition obsolete -- it's easier to glorify war when you can't see it up close. And there was one other major contributing factor to the paradigm shift: the increasing ''brutality'' of how war was waged. To wit...
24th Nov '16 10:27:07 AM jamespolk
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-->-- ''[[TropeNamer William Tecumseh Sherman]],'' speaking to the graduating class of the Michigan Military Academy on June 19, 1879.

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-->-- ''[[TropeNamer William Tecumseh Sherman]],'' speaking to the graduating class of the Michigan Military Academy on June 19, 1879.
1879.[[note]]Sherman wrote about this at greater length when he told the residents of Atlanta [[http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/sherman/sherman-to-burn-atlanta.html why he was going to burn their city]] in 1864[[/note]]
20th Nov '16 9:41:44 AM Specialist290
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May overlap with, but not to be confused with, HellIsWar. Contrast WarIsGlorious, which is not mutually exclusive with WarIsHell, especially when the audience [[DoNotDoThisCoolThing gets a kick out of seeing people kill each other, no matter how ugly or condemning the work is]]. See also ArmiesAreEvil (highly negative takes on the military).

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May overlap with, but not to be confused with, HellIsWar. Contrast WarIsGlorious, which is not mutually exclusive with WarIsHell, especially when the audience [[DoNotDoThisCoolThing gets a kick out of seeing people kill each other, no matter how ugly or condemning the work is]].is]] -- or, more altruistically, when soldiers are painted as heroes specifically because they've volunteered to fight in order to keep the horrors of war away from their loved ones. See also ArmiesAreEvil (highly negative takes on the military).
19th Nov '16 3:04:32 AM KatanaCat
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** What little we see of the Homeworld Gems pov is this trope full force, many of their veterans have some form of PTSD and recount heavy losses on their side.

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** What little we see of the Homeworld Gems pov Gems' point of view is this trope full force, many force. Many of their veterans have some form of PTSD and recount heavy losses on their side. side.
22nd Sep '16 2:27:52 PM Saveelich
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However, since the moral justification for ''that'' war was obvious to everyone fighting, in the fields and factories, and overseas, the horrors of war were just that bit more bearable than they might otherwise have been on account of it them being done in a genuinely good cause. The trope was only really... [[ObligatoryJoke entrenched]]... in European and Euro-sphere culture during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, which was far bloodier and had no great moral cause that the people fighting it could comfort themselves with - though during the war itself the British successfully managed to slander Germany as an aggressive expansionist power that wanted to dominate the world (she'd had problems, but wanting to TakeOverTheWorld wasn't one of them). Thanks to near-universal conscription in all the major countries of Europe, a large number of writers and poets of the early 20th century had combat-experience, and they did not like what they saw. Well, there was this [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler one recorded World War I soldier]] who ''did'' enjoy his wartime experience spent safely out of harm's way in a series of cosy bunkers (''mostly'' - he was wounded by a shell and then reassigned to a desk job in Munich, but requested and received a transfer back to his old job) [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and went on to start the most destructive war in human history]] - a war which ensured that this trope endured in modern culture even into the 21st century.

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However, since the moral justification for ''that'' war was obvious to everyone fighting, in the fields and factories, and overseas, the horrors of war were just that bit more bearable than they might otherwise have been on account of it them being done in a genuinely good cause. The trope was only really... [[ObligatoryJoke entrenched]]... in European and Euro-sphere culture during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, which was far bloodier and had no great moral cause that the people fighting it could comfort themselves with - though during the war itself the British successfully managed to slander Germany as an aggressive expansionist power that wanted to dominate the world (she'd had problems, but wanting to TakeOverTheWorld wasn't one of them). Thanks to near-universal conscription in all the major countries of Europe, a large number of writers and writers, poets and artists of the early 20th century had combat-experience, and they did not like what they saw. Well, there was this [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler one recorded World War I soldier]] who ''did'' enjoy his wartime experience spent safely out of harm's way in a series of cosy bunkers (''mostly'' - he was wounded by a shell and then reassigned to a desk job in Munich, but requested and received a transfer back to his old job) [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and went on to start the most destructive war in human history]] - a war which ensured that this trope endured in modern culture even into the 21st century.
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