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22nd Sep '16 2:27:52 PM Saveelich
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However, since the moral justification for ''that'' war was obvious to everyone fighting, in the fields and factories, and overseas, the horrors of war were just that bit more bearable than they might otherwise have been on account of it them being done in a genuinely good cause. The trope was only really... [[ObligatoryJoke entrenched]]... in European and Euro-sphere culture during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, which was far bloodier and had no great moral cause that the people fighting it could comfort themselves with - though during the war itself the British successfully managed to slander Germany as an aggressive expansionist power that wanted to dominate the world (she'd had problems, but wanting to TakeOverTheWorld wasn't one of them). Thanks to near-universal conscription in all the major countries of Europe, a large number of writers and poets of the early 20th century had combat-experience, and they did not like what they saw. Well, there was this [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler one recorded World War I soldier]] who ''did'' enjoy his wartime experience spent safely out of harm's way in a series of cosy bunkers (''mostly'' - he was wounded by a shell and then reassigned to a desk job in Munich, but requested and received a transfer back to his old job) [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and went on to start the most destructive war in human history]] - a war which ensured that this trope endured in modern culture even into the 21st century.

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However, since the moral justification for ''that'' war was obvious to everyone fighting, in the fields and factories, and overseas, the horrors of war were just that bit more bearable than they might otherwise have been on account of it them being done in a genuinely good cause. The trope was only really... [[ObligatoryJoke entrenched]]... in European and Euro-sphere culture during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, which was far bloodier and had no great moral cause that the people fighting it could comfort themselves with - though during the war itself the British successfully managed to slander Germany as an aggressive expansionist power that wanted to dominate the world (she'd had problems, but wanting to TakeOverTheWorld wasn't one of them). Thanks to near-universal conscription in all the major countries of Europe, a large number of writers and writers, poets and artists of the early 20th century had combat-experience, and they did not like what they saw. Well, there was this [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler one recorded World War I soldier]] who ''did'' enjoy his wartime experience spent safely out of harm's way in a series of cosy bunkers (''mostly'' - he was wounded by a shell and then reassigned to a desk job in Munich, but requested and received a transfer back to his old job) [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and went on to start the most destructive war in human history]] - a war which ensured that this trope endured in modern culture even into the 21st century.
29th Aug '16 5:37:22 PM WhatArtThee
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* While WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM is a [[DownplayedTrope Saturday morning cartoon series]], this trope is definitely in effect. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHpxCU3ib30 The Freedom Fighters ''do not'' have it easy]]: the [[AfterTheEnd entire]] [[VillainWorld planet]] [[CrapsackWorld Mobius]] is a mess [[AWorldHalfFull with no immediate cure]]. The heroes are [[LaResistance a small group of freedom fighters]] fighting what [[EarnYourHappyEnding seems like]] a HopelessWar against a [[TheSociopath tyrant with no scruples]]. Several sympathetic characters are [[SacrificialLamb unceremoniously]] [[UnwillingRoboticisation roboticized]], and both the [[IronWoobie main characters]] have suffered [[FriendlyTarget personal family losses]] prior to the events of the show.
29th Aug '16 5:19:18 PM MarkWilder
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* While WesternAnimation/SonicSatAM is a [[DownplayedTrope Saturday morning cartoon series]], this trope is definitely in effect. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHpxCU3ib30 The Freedom Fighters ''do not'' have it easy]]: the [[AfterTheEnd entire]] [[VillainWorld planet]] [[CrapsackWorld Mobius]] is a mess [[AWorldHalfFull with no immediate cure]]. The heroes are [[LaResistance a small group of freedom fighters]] fighting what [[EarnYourHappyEnding seems like]] a HopelessWar against a [[TheSociopath tyrant with no scruples]]. Several sympathetic characters are [[SacrificialLamb unceremoniously]] [[UnwillingRoboticisation roboticized]], and both the [[IronWoobie main characters]] have suffered [[FriendlyTarget personal family losses]] prior to the events of the show.
28th Aug '16 1:47:57 AM Az_Tech341
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** What little we see all of the Homeworld Gems pov is this trope full force, many of their veterans have some form of PTSD and recount heavy losses on their side.

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** What little we see all of the Homeworld Gems pov is this trope full force, many of their veterans have some form of PTSD and recount heavy losses on their side.
27th Aug '16 11:04:54 PM red43
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** What little we see all of the Homeworld Gems pov is this trope full force, many of their veterans have some form of PTSD and recount heavy losses on their side.
23rd Aug '16 11:19:58 PM MarkWilder
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-->-- ''[[TropeNamer William_Tecumseh_Sherman]],'' speaking to the graduating class of the Michigan Military Academy on June 19, 1879.

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-->-- ''[[TropeNamer William_Tecumseh_Sherman]],'' William Tecumseh Sherman]],'' speaking to the graduating class of the Michigan Military Academy on June 19, 1879.
23rd Aug '16 11:19:40 PM MarkWilder
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-> '''Arturia''': The taking of life, as a human act, must have laws and ideals. Otherwise, every war would bring Hell to this world.\\
'''Kiritsugu''': And there you go. You heard her, Iri: our Heroic Spirit here thinks that the battlefield is something better than Hell. What a joke: it's Hell itself. There's no hope on the battlefield; it has nothing but unspeakable despair - just a crime we call "victory", paid for by the pain of the defeated.
-->-- ''LightNovel/FateZero''


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-> '''Arturia''': The taking of life, as a human act, must have laws Iíve been where you are now and ideals. Otherwise, I know just how you feel. Itís entirely natural that there should beat in the breast of every war would bring Hell to this world.\\
'''Kiritsugu''': And there
one of you go. You heard her, Iri: our Heroic Spirit here thinks a hope and desire that some day you can use the battlefield is something better than Hell. What a joke: it's Hell itself. There's no hope skill you have acquired here. ''Suppress it!'' You donít know the horrible aspects of war. Iíve been through two wars and I know. Iíve seen cities and homes in ashes. Iíve seen thousands of men lying on the battlefield; it has nothing but unspeakable despair - just a crime we call "victory", paid for by ground, their dead faces looking up at the pain of the defeated.
skies. I tell you, [[TitleDrop war is Hell!]]
-->-- ''LightNovel/FateZero''

''[[TropeNamer William_Tecumseh_Sherman]],'' speaking to the graduating class of the Michigan Military Academy on June 19, 1879.
16th Aug '16 4:56:10 AM InfectedBlood
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* ''Webcomic/TheGreenEyedSniper'' revolves around war and its consequences. None of the characters enjoy war: Shanti is known to [[https://infectedbloodcomics.com/2016/08/01/part-3-page-45/ hate war (and soldiers)]]; Blitz hates violence in all forms; and Sekhmet, although a wanted war criminal, claims to be [[https://infectedbloodcomics.com/2016/07/04/part-3-page-41/ fed up with war]].

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* ''Webcomic/TheGreenEyedSniper'' revolves around is partly focused on war and its consequences. None of the characters enjoy war: Shanti is known to [[https://infectedbloodcomics.com/2016/08/01/part-3-page-45/ hate war (and soldiers)]]; Blitz hates violence in all forms; and Sekhmet, although a wanted war criminal, claims to be [[https://infectedbloodcomics.com/2016/07/04/part-3-page-41/ fed up with war]].
16th Aug '16 4:54:05 AM InfectedBlood
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* ''Webcomic/TheGreenEyedSniper'' revolves around war and its consequences. None of the characters enjoy war: Shanti is known to [[https://infectedbloodcomics.com/2016/08/01/part-3-page-45/ hate war (and soldiers)]]; Blitz hates violence in all forms; and Sekhmet, although a wanted war criminal, claims to be [[https://infectedbloodcomics.com/2016/07/04/part-3-page-41/ fed up with war]].
31st Jul '16 3:02:00 PM nombretomado
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* Also a regular theme of DCComics' ''Comicbook/EnemyAce''.

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* Also a regular theme of DCComics' Creator/DCComics' ''Comicbook/EnemyAce''.
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