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13th Apr '17 10:08:56 PM SantosLHalper
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31st Mar '17 8:05:32 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Disney/TreasurePlanet'' is this period [[RecycledInSpace IN SPAAAAACE!!]]
* The opening to Disney's ''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}'' features a wooden sailing ship weathering a bad storm at sea.
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* ''Disney/TreasurePlanet'' is this period [[RecycledInSpace IN SPAAAAACE!!]]
* The opening to Disney's ''Disney/{{Pocahontas}}'' features a wooden sailing ship weathering a bad storm at sea.
31st Mar '17 8:04:43 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''SidMeiersPirates'' revolves entirely around this period in the Caribbean. The player character is a Privateer (not quite a pirate as it says on the tin) and will fight many (one-on-one) naval battles during the course of his/her career.
* The naval aspects of the ''EuropaUniversalis'' series live and breathe this trope, since the game spans virtually the entire Golden Age of Sail.

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* ''SidMeiersPirates'' ''VideoGame/SidMeiersPirates'' revolves entirely around this period in the Caribbean. The player character is a Privateer (not quite a pirate as it says on the tin) and will fight many (one-on-one) naval battles during the course of his/her career.
* The naval aspects of the ''EuropaUniversalis'' ''VideoGame/EuropaUniversalis'' series live and breathe this trope, since the game spans virtually the entire Golden Age of Sail.



* A ''WoodyWoodpecker'' short jokes with this trope's title. At one point, the narrator says something along the line of "It was an age of wooden ships, and iron men!" and the action cuts to a brief shot of [[VisualPun a boxy robot manning the wheel of a sailing vessel]].

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* A ''WoodyWoodpecker'' ''WesternAnimation/WoodyWoodpecker'' short jokes with this trope's title. At one point, the narrator says something along the line of "It was an age of wooden ships, and iron men!" and the action cuts to a brief shot of [[VisualPun a boxy robot manning the wheel of a sailing vessel]].



* Many early ''{{Popeye}}'' shorts venture into this territory.

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* Many early ''{{Popeye}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Popeye}}'' shorts venture into this territory.
28th Mar '17 7:10:54 PM nombretomado
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* ''OpenBlue''

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* ''OpenBlue''%%* ''Roleplay/OpenBlue''
26th Mar '17 1:26:02 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* RealityIsUnrealistic when it came to an Age of Sail mariner's diet. Sailors were usually quite well fed given the limitations and standards of the day. One surviving Royal Navy ration schedule specified 7lbs of Ship's Biscuit, 4lbs of Beef, 2lbs of Pork, 2pints of Peas, 1.5pints of Oatmeal, 6oz of Sugar, 6oz of Butter, 12oz of Cheese, and 7gallons of Beer ''per sailor per week''. That's a lot of food and was a minimum ration. A French historian calculated how many calories were allotted per day for each man during the Age of Sail and came to about 3000 calories per man in the Imperial Russian Navy, maybe 4000-4500 in the [[BritsWithBattleships Royal Navy]] [[BigEater and a staggering]] '''''6500 calories per day''''' in the Dutch Navy. Captains could, and often did, supplement their crew's rations with fresh foods when they were available (some even kept goats and hens on board at their own expense so that fresh milk and fresh eggs would be available). The beef and pork rations deserve special mention because the salted meats of the period which could be stored unrefrigerated and carried on board ships during long voyages without spoiling were much more expensive than fresh meat and sailors of the period ate a lot of meat (modern diets rarely call for even a quarter of as much meat as they were given). The seemingly excessive beer ration was the answer to the massive amounts of fluids someone exerting themselves heavily needs to avoid dehydration and the near impossibility of keeping fresh water stored in wooden barrels safe for human consumption without boiling it first.

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* RealityIsUnrealistic when it came to an Age of Sail mariner's diet. Sailors were usually quite well fed given the limitations and standards of the day. One surviving Royal Navy ration schedule specified 7lbs of Ship's Biscuit, 4lbs of Beef, 2lbs of Pork, 2pints of Peas, 1.5pints of Oatmeal, 6oz of Sugar, 6oz of Butter, 12oz of Cheese, and 7gallons of Beer ''per sailor per week''. That's a lot of food and was a minimum ration. A French historian calculated how many calories were allotted per day for each man during the Age of Sail and came to about 3000 calories per man in the Imperial Russian Navy, maybe 4000-4500 in the [[BritsWithBattleships [[UsefulNotes/BritsWithBattleships Royal Navy]] [[BigEater and a staggering]] '''''6500 calories per day''''' in the Dutch Navy. Captains could, and often did, supplement their crew's rations with fresh foods when they were available (some even kept goats and hens on board at their own expense so that fresh milk and fresh eggs would be available). The beef and pork rations deserve special mention because the salted meats of the period which could be stored unrefrigerated and carried on board ships during long voyages without spoiling were much more expensive than fresh meat and sailors of the period ate a lot of meat (modern diets rarely call for even a quarter of as much meat as they were given). The seemingly excessive beer ration was the answer to the massive amounts of fluids someone exerting themselves heavily needs to avoid dehydration and the near impossibility of keeping fresh water stored in wooden barrels safe for human consumption without boiling it first.
20th Mar '17 6:16:28 PM Theriocephalus
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* Invoked by name by Austrian sailors after winning the Battle of Lissa, remarking that "Men of iron on wooden ships have defeated men of wood on iron ships" after doing exactly that (a division of Austrian wooden steam warships had caught by surprise the Italian ironclads. Various wooden vessels got disabled, two ironclads were sunk - despite Italian navy having numerical and technological advantage[[note]]34 ships including 12 modern ironclads, compared to 27 ships of which 5 outdated and 2 modern ironclads in the Austrian navy[[/note]]). It helped that the Austrian Navy was a direct descendant of the Venetian Navy, thus had a long tradition and well-integrated crews, while the Italian was a recent fusion of the various pre-unification Italian navies (mostly those of Sardinia and Two Sicilies and half the Papal Navy), [[IgnoredExpert something the Italian admiral Carlo Persano had warned his superiors to no avail]], and the fact Persano had long stopped sailing before the war and mustered very little respect from the crews and officers the crews ([[IgnoredExpert again, something he had warned his superiors about without being listened]], to the point that when he moved his flag from the ''Re d'Italia'' to the ''Affondatore'' right before the battle (something the Austrians took advantage of to "cross the T" and gain the upper hand) [[WeAreStrugglingTogether the captains and the two subordinate admirals feigned not noticing just so they would be able to ignore him]].

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* Invoked by name by Austrian sailors after winning the Battle of Lissa, remarking that "Men of iron on wooden ships have defeated men of wood on iron ships" after doing exactly that (a division of Austrian wooden steam warships had caught by surprise the Italian ironclads. Various wooden vessels got disabled, two ironclads were sunk - -- despite Italian navy having numerical and technological advantage[[note]]34 ships including 12 modern ironclads, compared to 27 ships of which 5 outdated and 2 modern ironclads in the Austrian navy[[/note]]). It helped that the Austrian Navy was a direct descendant of the Venetian Navy, and thus had a long tradition and well-integrated crews, while the Italian navy was a recent fusion of the various pre-unification Italian navies (mostly those of Sardinia and Two Sicilies and half the Papal Navy), [[IgnoredExpert something the Italian admiral Carlo Persano had warned his superiors of, to no avail]], and the fact Persano had long stopped sailing before the war and mustered very little respect from the crews and officers the crews ([[IgnoredExpert again, something he had warned his superiors about without being listened]], listened to]], to the point that when he moved his flag from the ''Re d'Italia'' to the ''Affondatore'' right before the battle (something the Austrians took advantage of to "cross the T" and gain the upper hand) [[WeAreStrugglingTogether the captains and the two subordinate admirals feigned not noticing to notice just so they would be able to ignore him]].
20th Mar '17 6:12:09 PM Theriocephalus
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Space 1889}}'' Martian ships and the general canal Martian tech level.
* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' is this trope RecycledInSpace as far as life on board Imperial Fleet ships goes.
** ''TabletopGame/RogueTrader'', being about people who go to amazing places, meet interesting people, and fleece them for all they're worth, has this in bucketloads. It's not just life on board, either- spaceship combat is very much inspired by Age of Sail strategies.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Space 1889}}'' ''TabletopGame/Space1889'' Martian ships and the general canal Martian tech level.
* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' is this trope RecycledInSpace as far as life on board Imperial Fleet ships goes.
** ''TabletopGame/RogueTrader'', being about people who go to amazing places, meet interesting people, and fleece them for all they're worth, has this in bucketloads. It's not just life on board, either- either -- spaceship combat is very much inspired by Age of Sail strategies.



* ''TabletopGame/FurryPirates''

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* %%* ''TabletopGame/FurryPirates''
18th Mar '17 9:19:29 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''{{LEGO Pirates}}''

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* ''{{LEGO ''Toys/{{LEGO Pirates}}''
24th Feb '17 2:32:21 PM eowynjedi
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** ''Literature/MansfieldPark'': Fanny Price's father is an off-duty [[TheDrunkenSailor drunken sailor]] of a Lieutenant. His family is rather poor and lives in Portsmouth. Fanny's eldest beloved brother William starts his career as a midshipman at the beginning of the novel and his career is mentioned throughout, and later his promotion to the rank of Lieutenant is an important plot point.
** In ''Literature/{{Persuasion}}'', there are lots of naval officers who return to the country from Napoleonic Wars, and their life at sea is discussed at large. Admiral and Mrs Croft rent Kellynch Hall, which is a family mansion of Anne Elliot's (the novel's protagonist), and there are three other [[TheCaptain captains]]: Captain Wentworth, Captain Harville, and Captain Benwick. Sophia Croft, Captain Wentworth's sister and Admiral Croft's wife, is a badass of a lady as she spent most of her married life sailing with her husband.

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** ''Literature/MansfieldPark'': Fanny Price's father is an off-duty [[TheDrunkenSailor drunken sailor]] of a Lieutenant. His family is rather poor and lives in Portsmouth. Fanny's eldest beloved brother William starts his career as a midshipman at the beginning of the novel and his career is mentioned throughout, and later his promotion to the rank of Lieutenant is an important plot point.
point. Mary Crawford, an admiral's niece, at one point says she doesn't want to talk about the Navy because "[[GettingCrapPastTheRadar of rears and vices I saw enough]]."
** In ''Literature/{{Persuasion}}'', there are lots of naval officers who return to the country from Napoleonic Wars, and their life at sea is discussed at large. Admiral and Mrs Croft rent Kellynch Hall, which is a family mansion of Anne Elliot's (the novel's protagonist), and there are three other [[TheCaptain captains]]: Captain Wentworth, Captain Harville, and Captain Benwick. Sophia Croft, Captain Wentworth's sister and Admiral Croft's wife, is a badass of a lady as she spent most of her married life sailing with her husband.husband and slaps down her brother when he starts saying that women are too delicate for seagoing life. The social changes associated with the Navy are also much discussed. Most officers were second sons of respectable families, but it was also possible for middle-class boys to be sponsored as midshipmen, and while nepotism was well in force (as noted in ''Mansfield Park'') men could also rise through merit, become wealthy, and join the upper classes--something which the old titled families did not always like.
22nd Feb '17 5:47:12 AM Kakai
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* The navy and the sailors of ''Literature/TheWitchlands'' are very evocative of this era, with the added bonus of magic powers.
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