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20th Mar '17 6:16:28 PM Theriocephalus
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* Invoked by name by Austrian sailors after winning the Battle of Lissa, remarking that "Men of iron on wooden ships have defeated men of wood on iron ships" after doing exactly that (a division of Austrian wooden steam warships had caught by surprise the Italian ironclads. Various wooden vessels got disabled, two ironclads were sunk - despite Italian navy having numerical and technological advantage[[note]]34 ships including 12 modern ironclads, compared to 27 ships of which 5 outdated and 2 modern ironclads in the Austrian navy[[/note]]). It helped that the Austrian Navy was a direct descendant of the Venetian Navy, thus had a long tradition and well-integrated crews, while the Italian was a recent fusion of the various pre-unification Italian navies (mostly those of Sardinia and Two Sicilies and half the Papal Navy), [[IgnoredExpert something the Italian admiral Carlo Persano had warned his superiors to no avail]], and the fact Persano had long stopped sailing before the war and mustered very little respect from the crews and officers the crews ([[IgnoredExpert again, something he had warned his superiors about without being listened]], to the point that when he moved his flag from the ''Re d'Italia'' to the ''Affondatore'' right before the battle (something the Austrians took advantage of to "cross the T" and gain the upper hand) [[WeAreStrugglingTogether the captains and the two subordinate admirals feigned not noticing just so they would be able to ignore him]].

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* Invoked by name by Austrian sailors after winning the Battle of Lissa, remarking that "Men of iron on wooden ships have defeated men of wood on iron ships" after doing exactly that (a division of Austrian wooden steam warships had caught by surprise the Italian ironclads. Various wooden vessels got disabled, two ironclads were sunk - -- despite Italian navy having numerical and technological advantage[[note]]34 ships including 12 modern ironclads, compared to 27 ships of which 5 outdated and 2 modern ironclads in the Austrian navy[[/note]]). It helped that the Austrian Navy was a direct descendant of the Venetian Navy, and thus had a long tradition and well-integrated crews, while the Italian navy was a recent fusion of the various pre-unification Italian navies (mostly those of Sardinia and Two Sicilies and half the Papal Navy), [[IgnoredExpert something the Italian admiral Carlo Persano had warned his superiors of, to no avail]], and the fact Persano had long stopped sailing before the war and mustered very little respect from the crews and officers the crews ([[IgnoredExpert again, something he had warned his superiors about without being listened]], listened to]], to the point that when he moved his flag from the ''Re d'Italia'' to the ''Affondatore'' right before the battle (something the Austrians took advantage of to "cross the T" and gain the upper hand) [[WeAreStrugglingTogether the captains and the two subordinate admirals feigned not noticing to notice just so they would be able to ignore him]].
20th Mar '17 6:12:09 PM Theriocephalus
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Space 1889}}'' Martian ships and the general canal Martian tech level.
* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' is this trope RecycledInSpace as far as life on board Imperial Fleet ships goes.
** ''TabletopGame/RogueTrader'', being about people who go to amazing places, meet interesting people, and fleece them for all they're worth, has this in bucketloads. It's not just life on board, either- spaceship combat is very much inspired by Age of Sail strategies.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Space 1889}}'' ''TabletopGame/Space1889'' Martian ships and the general canal Martian tech level.
* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' is this trope RecycledInSpace as far as life on board Imperial Fleet ships goes.
** ''TabletopGame/RogueTrader'', being about people who go to amazing places, meet interesting people, and fleece them for all they're worth, has this in bucketloads. It's not just life on board, either- either -- spaceship combat is very much inspired by Age of Sail strategies.



* ''TabletopGame/FurryPirates''

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18th Mar '17 9:19:29 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''{{LEGO Pirates}}''

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24th Feb '17 2:32:21 PM eowynjedi
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** ''Literature/MansfieldPark'': Fanny Price's father is an off-duty [[TheDrunkenSailor drunken sailor]] of a Lieutenant. His family is rather poor and lives in Portsmouth. Fanny's eldest beloved brother William starts his career as a midshipman at the beginning of the novel and his career is mentioned throughout, and later his promotion to the rank of Lieutenant is an important plot point.
** In ''Literature/{{Persuasion}}'', there are lots of naval officers who return to the country from Napoleonic Wars, and their life at sea is discussed at large. Admiral and Mrs Croft rent Kellynch Hall, which is a family mansion of Anne Elliot's (the novel's protagonist), and there are three other [[TheCaptain captains]]: Captain Wentworth, Captain Harville, and Captain Benwick. Sophia Croft, Captain Wentworth's sister and Admiral Croft's wife, is a badass of a lady as she spent most of her married life sailing with her husband.

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** ''Literature/MansfieldPark'': Fanny Price's father is an off-duty [[TheDrunkenSailor drunken sailor]] of a Lieutenant. His family is rather poor and lives in Portsmouth. Fanny's eldest beloved brother William starts his career as a midshipman at the beginning of the novel and his career is mentioned throughout, and later his promotion to the rank of Lieutenant is an important plot point.
point. Mary Crawford, an admiral's niece, at one point says she doesn't want to talk about the Navy because "[[GettingCrapPastTheRadar of rears and vices I saw enough]]."
** In ''Literature/{{Persuasion}}'', there are lots of naval officers who return to the country from Napoleonic Wars, and their life at sea is discussed at large. Admiral and Mrs Croft rent Kellynch Hall, which is a family mansion of Anne Elliot's (the novel's protagonist), and there are three other [[TheCaptain captains]]: Captain Wentworth, Captain Harville, and Captain Benwick. Sophia Croft, Captain Wentworth's sister and Admiral Croft's wife, is a badass of a lady as she spent most of her married life sailing with her husband.husband and slaps down her brother when he starts saying that women are too delicate for seagoing life. The social changes associated with the Navy are also much discussed. Most officers were second sons of respectable families, but it was also possible for middle-class boys to be sponsored as midshipmen, and while nepotism was well in force (as noted in ''Mansfield Park'') men could also rise through merit, become wealthy, and join the upper classes--something which the old titled families did not always like.
22nd Feb '17 5:47:12 AM Kakai
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* The navy and the sailors of ''Literature/TheWitchlands'' are very evocative of this era, with the added bonus of magic powers.
11th Feb '17 3:42:36 PM Xtifr
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Not to be confused with the Avalon Hill BoardGame of the same name, which is [[OlderThanTheyThink where we got the trope name]], or with SchizoTech settings where wood ships coexist with PoweredArmor, or with ''ComicBook/IronMan''. The phrase shows up at least as far back as the [[http://books.google.com/books?id=8FACAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA14&dq=wooden+ships+and+iron+men late 19th century]], making it OlderThanRadio.

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Not to be confused with the Avalon Hill Creator/AvalonHill BoardGame of the same name, which is [[OlderThanTheyThink where we got the trope name]], or with SchizoTech settings where wood ships coexist with PoweredArmor, or with ''ComicBook/IronMan''. The phrase shows up at least as far back as the [[http://books.google.com/books?id=8FACAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA14&dq=wooden+ships+and+iron+men late 19th century]], making it OlderThanRadio.
10th Jan '17 12:27:08 PM Divra
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** This is TruthInTelevision for the time: The good sailors could get the comparatively cushy jobs on steamships, whereas the clippers were left with the dregs. Conversely, the officers were often young and ambitious, since you had to have sailing-ship experience to get a captain's license and possibly a ship to command.
5th Jan '17 7:00:17 PM jamespolk
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* ErrolFlynn's swashbuckling {{pirate}} films, ''Film/CaptainBlood'' and ''Film/TheSeaHawk'' (which has [[AdaptationDisplacement absolutely nothing to do with]] [[Literature/TheSeaHawk the book]]).

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* ErrolFlynn's Creator/ErrolFlynn's swashbuckling {{pirate}} films, ''Film/CaptainBlood'' and ''Film/TheSeaHawk'' (which has [[AdaptationDisplacement absolutely nothing to do with]] [[Literature/TheSeaHawk the book]]).


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* ''Film/KonTiki'' offers a rare 20th century example, as Thor Heyerdahl and his cure sail a goddamn raft 4000 miles across the open ocean from Peru to Polynesia.
31st Dec '16 3:12:13 PM jamespolk
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* ''Literature/MutinyOnTheBounty'' has inspired at least four film versions: the best known are probably the ones from 1935 with Creator/CharlesLaughton as Bligh and Creator/ClarkGable as Fletcher Christian; and 1962, with Trevor Howard as Bligh and Creator/MarlonBrando as Christian. See also the more historically accurate 1984 version, ''Film/TheBounty'', with Creator/AnthonyHopkins and Creator/MelGibson.

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* ''Literature/MutinyOnTheBounty'' The Film/MutinyOnTheBounty has inspired at least four film versions: the best known are probably the ones from 1935 with Creator/CharlesLaughton as Bligh and Creator/ClarkGable as Fletcher Christian; and 1962, with Trevor Howard as Bligh and Creator/MarlonBrando as Christian. See also the more historically accurate 1984 version, ''Film/TheBounty'', with Creator/AnthonyHopkins and Creator/MelGibson.


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* Literature/TheBountyTrilogy, a series of three novels about TheMutiny aboard HMS ''Bounty''. The first one, ''Mutiny on the Bounty'', was adapted into an Oscar-winning 1935 film.
17th Dec '16 6:13:09 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** It's worth mentioning that Admiral Farragut was the first ever U.S. Admiral, and on top of that he was positively ancient when he was commanding the navy during the civil war. So much so that he suffered from vertigo. To counter this he had himself lashed to his flagships main mast so he wouldn't fall overboard.

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** It's worth mentioning that Admiral Farragut was the first ever U.S. Admiral, and on top of that he was positively ancient when he was commanding the navy during the civil war. So much so that he suffered from vertigo. To counter this he had himself lashed to his flagships flagship's main mast so he wouldn't fall overboard.
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