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1st Dec '16 6:25:11 AM Morgenthaler
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The men who [[HadToBeSharp survived these times]] were [[BadAss tough as nails.]]

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The men who [[HadToBeSharp survived these times]] times were [[BadAss tough as nails.]]
17th Nov '16 6:19:36 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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29th Oct '16 1:13:48 AM Morgenthaler
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* The sections concerning the people of the Iron Islands in ''ASongOfIceAndFire'', especially those that take place on boats, come across like this. Bonus points for them being called the Iron Born.

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* The sections concerning the people of the Iron Islands in ''ASongOfIceAndFire'', ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', especially those that take place on boats, come across like this. Bonus points for them being called the Iron Born.



* ''Mutiny On The Elsinore'' by JackLondon is set in TheEdwardianEra and still features the miserable conditions of the long-range clipper ships, slightly improved by reduced crews and better supplies. Subversion in the fact Captain West and his two officers [[SelfDemonstratingArticle fit the heroic image of the Age of Sail mariners]], while the mutinous crew is scrounged from the worst of the worst, thieves, bandits and criminals, barely healthy enough to stand. The trope is [[InvokedTrope invoked]] in-universe by one of the officers, who decried the loss of healthy, trained enlisted sailors of the decades past, who knew "how to drive a ship".

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* ''Mutiny On The Elsinore'' by JackLondon Creator/JackLondon is set in TheEdwardianEra and still features the miserable conditions of the long-range clipper ships, slightly improved by reduced crews and better supplies. Subversion in the fact Captain West and his two officers [[SelfDemonstratingArticle fit the heroic image of the Age of Sail mariners]], while the mutinous crew is scrounged from the worst of the worst, thieves, bandits and criminals, barely healthy enough to stand. The trope is [[InvokedTrope invoked]] in-universe by one of the officers, who decried the loss of healthy, trained enlisted sailors of the decades past, who knew "how to drive a ship".
24th Oct '16 11:16:46 AM EDP
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* Invoked by name by Austrian sailors after winning the Battle of Lissa, remarking that "Men of iron on wooden ships had defeated men of wood on ironclad ships" after doing exactly that (a division of Austrian wooden steam warships had caught by surprise the Italian ironclads. Various wooden vessels got disabled, two ironclads were sunk - despite Italian navy having numerical and technological advantage (34 ships including 12 modern ironclads, compared to 27 ships of which 5 outdated and 2 modern ironclads in the Austrian navy. It helped that majority of crews in the Austrian Navy were Croatians, who historically tended to be better than Venetians and later Italians when it came to the naval warfare, as well as the fact that Italian admiral made a [[WhatAnIdiot really stupid mistake]] of changing his flagship without notifying rest of the fleet, just before the battle).

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* Invoked by name by Austrian sailors after winning the Battle of Lissa, remarking that "Men of iron on wooden ships had have defeated men of wood on ironclad iron ships" after doing exactly that (a division of Austrian wooden steam warships had caught by surprise the Italian ironclads. Various wooden vessels got disabled, two ironclads were sunk - despite Italian navy having numerical and technological advantage (34 advantage[[note]]34 ships including 12 modern ironclads, compared to 27 ships of which 5 outdated and 2 modern ironclads in the Austrian navy. navy[[/note]]). It helped that majority of crews in the Austrian Navy were Croatians, who historically tended to be better than Venetians was a direct descendant of the Venetian Navy, thus had a long tradition and later Italians when it came to well-integrated crews, while the naval warfare, as well as Italian was a recent fusion of the fact that various pre-unification Italian navies (mostly those of Sardinia and Two Sicilies and half the Papal Navy), [[IgnoredExpert something the Italian admiral made a [[WhatAnIdiot really stupid mistake]] of changing Carlo Persano had warned his flagship without notifying rest of superiors to no avail]], and the fleet, just fact Persano had long stopped sailing before the battle).war and mustered very little respect from the crews and officers the crews ([[IgnoredExpert again, something he had warned his superiors about without being listened]], to the point that when he moved his flag from the ''Re d'Italia'' to the ''Affondatore'' right before the battle (something the Austrians took advantage of to "cross the T" and gain the upper hand) [[WeAreStrugglingTogether the captains and the two subordinate admirals feigned not noticing just so they would be able to ignore him]].
4th Oct '16 8:37:52 AM erforce
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* ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'' (at least as far as visual aesthetics)

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* ''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'' ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'' (at least as far as visual aesthetics)
21st Sep '16 6:38:43 PM StarSword
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* David Drake's ''RCN'' series is this trope RecycledInSpace -- ships in FTL are driven by sails that, because of the inability to use electrically-powered motors, are set and reefed by sailors in the rigging.

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* David Drake's ''RCN'' ''Literature/{{RCN}}'' series is this trope RecycledInSpace -- ships in FTL are driven by sails that, because of the inability to use electrically-powered motors, are set and reefed by sailors in the rigging.


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* ''Literature/AlexisCarew'': Well, Thermoplastic and {{Unobtainium}} Ships, but the rest checks out: everything about the workings of space travel is based heavily on the Age of Sail, from the brutal discipline and sexism and classism down to the tiniest terminology of mast and sail sections. The terminology part gets a lampshade when Alexis wonders aloud if "tradition" is some synonym for insanity.
28th Aug '16 6:53:17 PM sgamer82
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* David Weber's ''Literature/SafeHold'' series exists here for a while as Charis has to rely on her navy to fight of the mainland powers. Thanks to [[GivingRadioToTheRomans Merlin's help]] and [[OneManIndustrialRevolution Baron Seamount's inventiveness]]they go from Lepanto style galley's to ships with designs straight from the Age of Sail. As of ''Midst Toil and Tribulation'' it drops off a bit. Partly because the action has switched to land based combat in Siddamark but also because that book has seen the introduction of the Safehold's first steamships with larger, more heavily armed and armoured versions stated being built.

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* In David Weber's ''Literature/SafeHold'' series exists here for a while as ''Literature/{{Safehold}}'' series, the Kingdom, later Empire, of Charis has to rely on her its navy to fight of off the mainland powers. Thanks to [[GivingRadioToTheRomans Merlin's help]] the TechnologyUplift provided by Merlin Athrawes' knowledge and [[OneManIndustrialRevolution Baron Seamount's inventiveness]]they inventiveness]], they go from Lepanto style galley's galleys to ships with designs straight from the Age of Sail. As of the sixth book, ''Midst Toil and Tribulation'' Tribulation,'' it drops off a bit. Partly because Much of the action has switched switches to land based combat in the Republic of Siddamark but also because and the climax of that book has seen features the introduction of the Safehold's first steamships steam-powered, ironclad river with larger, more heavily armed and armoured versions stated being built.built for use in the open sea.
13th Aug '16 4:26:18 AM Morgenthaler
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** ''RogueTrader'', being about people who go to amazing places, meet interesting people, and fleece them for all they're worth, has this in bucketloads. It's not just life on board, either- spaceship combat is very much inspired by Age of Sail strategies.

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** ''RogueTrader'', ''TabletopGame/RogueTrader'', being about people who go to amazing places, meet interesting people, and fleece them for all they're worth, has this in bucketloads. It's not just life on board, either- spaceship combat is very much inspired by Age of Sail strategies.



** In one of the ''SpaceWolf'' novels Ragnar is dismayed to see that most of the crew of an Inquisition ship are criminals chained to their workstations, in the next book he's glad to see that his chapter's own battle barges are manned by much more enthusiastic Fenrisian serfs, essentially Vikings in space.
* ''SeventhSea'' draws heavily upon this setting for any of its nautical adventures, especially anything involving the Pirate Nations.
* ''FurryPirates''

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** In one of the ''SpaceWolf'' ''Literature/SpaceWolf'' novels Ragnar is dismayed to see that most of the crew of an Inquisition ship are criminals chained to their workstations, in the next book he's glad to see that his chapter's own battle barges are manned by much more enthusiastic Fenrisian serfs, essentially Vikings in space.
* ''SeventhSea'' ''TabletopGame/SeventhSea'' draws heavily upon this setting for any of its nautical adventures, especially anything involving the Pirate Nations.
* ''FurryPirates''''TabletopGame/FurryPirates''
10th Aug '16 10:06:58 PM PaulA
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* James Clavell's ''[[Literature/AsianSaga Shogun]]'' opens up in this setting. By the timeframe of ''Tai-Pan'' and ''Gai-Jin'' (early Steam Age) things had improved only a little.

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* James Clavell's ''[[Literature/AsianSaga Shogun]]'' ''Literature/{{Shogun}}'' opens up in this setting. By the timeframe of ''Tai-Pan'' ''Literature/TaiPan'' and ''Gai-Jin'' ''Literature/GaiJin'' (early Steam Age) things had improved only a little.
15th Jun '16 8:53:25 PM nombretomado
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* The Alexander Kent ''RichardBolitho'' series.

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* The Alexander Kent ''RichardBolitho'' ''Literature/RichardBolitho'' series.



* The ''{{Temeraire}}'' series is basically this, except the ships are [[DragonRider talking dragons.]] There are plenty of the standard type as well. They frequently [[InterserviceRivalry do not get along well]] with the airborne versions, and one of the leads is a navy man adjusting to dragonback service.
* While David Eddings' ''{{Belgariad}}'' depicts life at sea rather romantically, its sequel, ''The Malloreon'', paints a considerably more grim picture of the conditions driving a sailor to desert his captain. It still involves a lot of "[[TalkLikeAPirate mateys]]", though.
* The ''LordRamage'' novels of Dudley Pope.

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* The ''{{Temeraire}}'' ''Literature/{{Temeraire}}'' series is basically this, except the ships are [[DragonRider talking dragons.]] There are plenty of the standard type as well. They frequently [[InterserviceRivalry do not get along well]] with the airborne versions, and one of the leads is a navy man adjusting to dragonback service.
* While David Eddings' ''{{Belgariad}}'' ''Literature/{{Belgariad}}'' depicts life at sea rather romantically, its sequel, ''The Malloreon'', paints a considerably more grim picture of the conditions driving a sailor to desert his captain. It still involves a lot of "[[TalkLikeAPirate mateys]]", though.
* The ''LordRamage'' ''Literature/LordRamage'' novels of Dudley Pope.
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