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30th Oct '17 4:52:19 PM MyFinalEdits
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* The Games episodes of ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'' were once one of the most reviled cartoons in the history of animation, and it's low ratings and critical backlash, following John Kricfalusi's firing[[note]]Which, it must be pointed out, he really brought on himself, at least in part.[[/note]] had lead to the show's demise in 1995. After the failure of Adult Party Cartoon, and further stories about what happened behind the scenes at Spumco (From Billy West, Bob Camp and many other colleagues of Kricfalusi's, and a book documenting the events of the show's history, released in 2013 entitled "Sick Little Monkeys: The Unauthorized Ren and Stimpy Story"), the Games episodes nowadays are seen as either not as good as the first two seasons, but good in their own right, or better than the Spumco episodes that had preceded it (It's very telling that Bob Camp is usually the one out of the two creators of Ren and Stimpy, that is asked to attend conventions on a frequent basis). Either way, most people agree that the Games episodes fare better than Adult Party Cartoon did.
** The original show as a whole actually inverts this trope. Which is to say, it's more of an example of "Vindicated by MemeticMutation". Even during the John K. era, some episodes made some viewers [[NauseaFuel sick to their stomachs]], and in a few cases, may have even given them [[NightmareFuel nightmares]], with [[Recap/RenandStimpy2x07SonofStimpy one episode in particular]] having the potential to do both[[note]]Yes even more so than "Man's Best Friend", the infamous "banned" episode that reportedly was the one that got John K. fired.[[/note]], due to being [[DudeNotFunny unfunny]] on purpose, and completely idiotic, even by the show's standards, all so John K. could do a DeconstructiveParody of pathos scenes in Hollywood movies (i.e., so he could prove a point about "fake pathos")[[note]]As a result, he ironically ended up subverting his own creation, which was made to be subversive in the first place.[[/note]]. What he ended up turning out was the most disgusting episode of either era[[note]]Which despite what some people might claim is not a good thing. Disgusting things can (and do) turn people off from a show rather than encourage them to watch it more, but of course, YMMV.[[/note]], and is otherwise only really good for being fodder for YTP (and internet meme) material.[[note]]Which really applies to the series as a whole, but especially applies to this infamous "Stinky" episode (the capital letter was intentional, by the way; the article in question explains why...).[[/note]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'': The Games episodes of ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'' were once one of the most reviled cartoons in the history of animation, and it's low ratings and critical backlash, following John Kricfalusi's firing[[note]]Which, it must be pointed out, he really brought on himself, at least in part.[[/note]] had lead to the show's demise in 1995. After the failure of Adult Party Cartoon, and further stories about what happened behind the scenes at Spumco (From Billy West, Bob Camp and many other colleagues of Kricfalusi's, and a book documenting the events of the show's history, released in 2013 entitled "Sick Little Monkeys: The Unauthorized Ren and Stimpy Story"), the Games episodes nowadays are seen as either not as good as the first two seasons, but good in their own right, or better than the Spumco episodes that had preceded it (It's very telling that Bob Camp is usually the one out of the two creators of Ren and Stimpy, that is asked to attend conventions on a frequent basis). Either way, most people agree that the Games episodes fare better than Adult Party Cartoon did.
** The original show as a whole actually inverts this trope. Which is to say, it's more of an example of "Vindicated by MemeticMutation". Even during the John K. era, some episodes made some viewers [[NauseaFuel sick to their stomachs]], and in a few cases, may have even given them [[NightmareFuel nightmares]], with [[Recap/RenandStimpy2x07SonofStimpy one episode in particular]] having the potential to do both[[note]]Yes even more so than "Man's Best Friend", the infamous "banned" episode that reportedly was the one that got John K. fired.[[/note]], due to being [[DudeNotFunny unfunny]] on purpose, and completely idiotic, even by the show's standards, all so John K. could do a DeconstructiveParody of pathos scenes in Hollywood movies (i.e., so he could prove a point about "fake pathos")[[note]]As a result, he ironically ended up subverting his own creation, which was made to be subversive in the first place.[[/note]]. What he ended up turning out was the most disgusting episode of either era[[note]]Which despite what some people might claim is not a good thing. Disgusting things can (and do) turn people off from a show rather than encourage them to watch it more, but of course, YMMV.[[/note]], and is otherwise only really good for being fodder for YTP (and internet meme) material.[[note]]Which really applies to the series as a whole, but especially applies to this infamous "Stinky" episode (the capital letter was intentional, by the way; the article in question explains why...).[[/note]]
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29th Oct '17 8:40:07 PM tropower
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* The Games episodes of ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'' were once one of the most reviled cartoons in the history of animation, and it's low ratings and critical backlash, following John Kricfalusi's firing had lead to the show's demise in 1995. After the failure of Adult Party Cartoon, and further stories about what happened behind the scenes at Spumco (From Billy West, Bob Camp and many other colleagues of Kricfalusi's, and a book documenting the events of the show's history, released in 2013 entitled "Sick Little Monkeys: The Unauthorized Ren and Stimpy Story"), the Games episodes nowadays are seen as either not as good as the first two seasons, but good in their own right, or better than the Spumco episodes that had preceded it (It's very telling that Bob Camp is usually the one out of the two creators of Ren and Stimpy, that is asked to attend conventions on a frequent basis). Either way, most people agree that the Games episodes fare better than Adult Party Cartoon did.

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* The Games episodes of ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'' were once one of the most reviled cartoons in the history of animation, and it's low ratings and critical backlash, following John Kricfalusi's firing firing[[note]]Which, it must be pointed out, he really brought on himself, at least in part.[[/note]] had lead to the show's demise in 1995. After the failure of Adult Party Cartoon, and further stories about what happened behind the scenes at Spumco (From Billy West, Bob Camp and many other colleagues of Kricfalusi's, and a book documenting the events of the show's history, released in 2013 entitled "Sick Little Monkeys: The Unauthorized Ren and Stimpy Story"), the Games episodes nowadays are seen as either not as good as the first two seasons, but good in their own right, or better than the Spumco episodes that had preceded it (It's very telling that Bob Camp is usually the one out of the two creators of Ren and Stimpy, that is asked to attend conventions on a frequent basis). Either way, most people agree that the Games episodes fare better than Adult Party Cartoon did. did.
** The original show as a whole actually inverts this trope. Which is to say, it's more of an example of "Vindicated by MemeticMutation". Even during the John K. era, some episodes made some viewers [[NauseaFuel sick to their stomachs]], and in a few cases, may have even given them [[NightmareFuel nightmares]], with [[Recap/RenandStimpy2x07SonofStimpy one episode in particular]] having the potential to do both[[note]]Yes even more so than "Man's Best Friend", the infamous "banned" episode that reportedly was the one that got John K. fired.[[/note]], due to being [[DudeNotFunny unfunny]] on purpose, and completely idiotic, even by the show's standards, all so John K. could do a DeconstructiveParody of pathos scenes in Hollywood movies (i.e., so he could prove a point about "fake pathos")[[note]]As a result, he ironically ended up subverting his own creation, which was made to be subversive in the first place.[[/note]]. What he ended up turning out was the most disgusting episode of either era[[note]]Which despite what some people might claim is not a good thing. Disgusting things can (and do) turn people off from a show rather than encourage them to watch it more, but of course, YMMV.[[/note]], and is otherwise only really good for being fodder for YTP (and internet meme) material.[[note]]Which really applies to the series as a whole, but especially applies to this infamous "Stinky" episode (the capital letter was intentional, by the way; the article in question explains why...).[[/note]]
9th Oct '17 5:25:24 PM MyFinalEdits
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** In a similar vein, Stuart Snyder, the one responsible for the first Dork Age [[ScrewedByTheNetwork by cancelling more liked originals for rather petty reasons, killing the first version of]] Creator/{{Toonami}}, and [[NetworkDecay trying to force reality shows onto]] ''[[NetworkDecay Cartoon]]'' [[NetworkDecay Network]]. To the point there was [[AndThereWasMuchRejoicing much rejoicing]] when Snyder left, even on ThisVeryWiki. Come 2017, Snyder is seen in a less negative light however, being known for not being afraid to [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar push the boundaries]] compared to other kids networks, and despite removing most {{Anime}} from the schedule, was a big supporter of western action cartoons, along with ''WesternAnimation/DCNation''; along with having helped support the development of beloved hits ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'', ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'', and (though he had left before it aired) ''WesternAnimation/OverTheGardenWall'', especially in light of the recent DorkAge (which goes in detail [[DorkAge/TelevisionNetworks here]]) that Cartoon Network has re-entered with Christina Miller's reign. Though the Dork Age still happened and people still hate it, his tenure has gone from "the worst years Cartoon Network ever had" to "It started off bad, be he managed to salvage it."

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** In a similar vein, Stuart Snyder, the one responsible for the first Dork Age [[ScrewedByTheNetwork by cancelling more liked originals for rather petty reasons, killing the first version of]] Creator/{{Toonami}}, and [[NetworkDecay trying to force reality shows onto]] ''[[NetworkDecay Cartoon]]'' [[NetworkDecay Network]]. To the point there was [[AndThereWasMuchRejoicing much rejoicing]] when Snyder left, even on ThisVeryWiki. Come 2017, Snyder is seen in a less negative light however, being known for not being afraid to [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar push the boundaries]] compared to other kids networks, and despite removing most {{Anime}} from the schedule, was a big supporter of western action cartoons, along with ''WesternAnimation/DCNation''; along with having helped support the development of beloved hits ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'', ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'', and (though he had left before it aired) ''WesternAnimation/OverTheGardenWall'', especially in light of the recent second DorkAge (which goes in detail [[DorkAge/TelevisionNetworks here]]) that Cartoon Network has re-entered with Christina Miller's reign. Though the Dork Age still happened and people still hate it, his tenure has gone from "the worst years Cartoon Network ever had" to "It started off bad, be he managed to salvage it."
9th Oct '17 12:27:24 PM Kelothan
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** In a similar vein, Stuart Snyder, the one responsible for the first Dork Age [[ScrewedByTheNetwork by cancelling more liked originals for rather petty reasons, killing the first version of]] Creator/{{Toonami}}, and [[NetworkDecay trying to force reality shows onto]] ''[[NetworkDecay Cartoon]]'' [[NetworkDecay Network]]. To the point there was [[AndThereWasMuchRejoicing much rejoicing]] when Snyder left, even on ThisVeryWiki. Come 2017, Snyder is seen in a less negative light however, being known for not being afraid to [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar push the boundaries]] compared to other kids networks, and despite removing most {{Anime}} from the schedule, was a big supporter of western action cartoons, along with ''WesternAnimation/DCNation''; along with having helped support the development of beloved hits ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'', ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'', and (though he had left before it aired) ''WesternAnimation/OverTheGardenWall'', especially in light of the recent DorkAge (which goes in detail [[DorkAge/TelevisionNetworks here]]) that Cartoon Network has re-entered with Christina Miller's reign. Though everyone still agrees that [[NetworkDecay CN Real]] was a mistake.

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** In a similar vein, Stuart Snyder, the one responsible for the first Dork Age [[ScrewedByTheNetwork by cancelling more liked originals for rather petty reasons, killing the first version of]] Creator/{{Toonami}}, and [[NetworkDecay trying to force reality shows onto]] ''[[NetworkDecay Cartoon]]'' [[NetworkDecay Network]]. To the point there was [[AndThereWasMuchRejoicing much rejoicing]] when Snyder left, even on ThisVeryWiki. Come 2017, Snyder is seen in a less negative light however, being known for not being afraid to [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar push the boundaries]] compared to other kids networks, and despite removing most {{Anime}} from the schedule, was a big supporter of western action cartoons, along with ''WesternAnimation/DCNation''; along with having helped support the development of beloved hits ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'', ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'', and (though he had left before it aired) ''WesternAnimation/OverTheGardenWall'', especially in light of the recent DorkAge (which goes in detail [[DorkAge/TelevisionNetworks here]]) that Cartoon Network has re-entered with Christina Miller's reign. Though everyone the Dork Age still agrees that [[NetworkDecay CN Real]] was a mistake.happened and people still hate it, his tenure has gone from "the worst years Cartoon Network ever had" to "It started off bad, be he managed to salvage it."
30th Sep '17 4:05:32 PM stewyworks333
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** In a similar vein, Stuart Snyder, the one responsible for the first Dork Age [[ScrewedByTheNetwork by cancelling more liked originals for rather petty reasons, killing the first version of]] Creator/{{Toonami}}, and [[NetworkDecay trying to force reality shows onto]] ''[[NetworkDecay Cartoon]]'' [[NetworkDecay Network]]. To the point there was [[AndThereWasMuchRejoicing much rejoicing]] when Snyder left, even on ThisVeryWiki. Come 2017, Snyder is seen in a less negative light however, being known for not being afraid to [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar push the boundaries]] compared to other kids networks, and despite removing most {{Anime}} from the schedule, was a big supporter of western action cartoons, along with ''WesternAnimation/DCNation''; along with having helped support the development of beloved hits ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', ''WesternAnimation/RegularShow'', ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'', and (though he had left before it aired) ''WesternAnimation/OverTheGardenWall'', especially in light of the recent DorkAge (which goes in detail [[DorkAge/TelevisionNetworks here]]) that Cartoon Network has re-entered with Christina Miller's reign. Though everyone still agrees that [[NetworkDecay CN Real]] was a mistake.
7th Sep '17 2:41:33 AM leidbag
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* '''Wrestling/{{Edge}} and Wrestling/{{Lita}}.''' In 2005, word got out about the two having an affair, [[YourCheatingHeart cheating on]] Edge's second wife and Wrestling/MattHardy respectively. This and Hardy's reaction which got him fired over it caused a lot of [[XPacHeat fan backlash]] towards both of them at the time, which Wrestling/{{WWE}} decided to [[RealLifeWritesThePlot make into an angle]] (first involving Lita's storyline husband Wrestling/{{Kane}}, then rehiring Matt) to take advantage of the situation. This especially lingered on with Lita to the point it played a hand in her decision to retire toward the end of 2006, receiving a less-than-admirable sendoff from the company on the way out. In the years since then, Edge has entered a [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections Screw the Rules, I Have]] SickeninglySweethearts storyline with Wrestling/VickieGuerrero for about a year or so which worked to the point that if Lita had returned to take Edge back it would've been a '''HeelFaceTurn''' less than two years later. Hardy has increasingly gone JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope as a career-midcarder, and began excusing his brother and friends' every mistake while taking '''four years''' to clearly define that his legit heat with Edge was over. Edge has become a modern day legend through great feuds and matches with the likes of Wrestling/TheUndertaker, Wrestling/JohnCena, Wrestling/CMPunk, Wrestling/JeffHardy, Wrestling/ShawnMichaels, Wrestling/TripleH, Wrestling/{{Batista}}, Wrestling/RandyOrton, so on and so forth, still being the generally all-around [[MeanCharacterNiceActor awesome guy]] backstage (seriously, even Cena has the rare dirt sheet article or shoot interview saying he's treated someone like crap. Edge? NOTHING outside the love triangle scandal. In fact, Curt Hawkins and Wrestling/ZackRyder still praise him on Twitter a fair deal for helping them in their formative WWE years, and Hawkins has had a subtle nod to Edge's "Easy Bein' Sleazy" shirt as the logo on his ring jacket). The WWE Women's/Divas Division has plummeted into 2/3-minute snooze-fests on ''Raw'' and ''[=SmackDown=]'', and took such disrespect at ''[=WrestleMania XXV=]'' that Lita and Wrestling/TrishStratus refused to be among the returnees for that night's show because they saw it coming.

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* '''Wrestling/{{Edge}} Wrestling/{{Edge}} and Wrestling/{{Lita}}.''' Wrestling/{{Lita}}: In 2005, word got out about the two having an affair, [[YourCheatingHeart cheating on]] Edge's second wife and Wrestling/MattHardy respectively. This and Hardy's reaction which got him fired over it caused a lot of [[XPacHeat fan backlash]] towards both of them at the time, which Wrestling/{{WWE}} decided to [[RealLifeWritesThePlot make into an angle]] (first involving Lita's storyline husband Wrestling/{{Kane}}, then rehiring Matt) to take advantage of the situation. This especially lingered on with Lita to the point it played a hand in her decision to retire toward the end of 2006, receiving a less-than-admirable sendoff from the company on the way out. In the years since then, Edge has entered a [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections Screw the Rules, I Have]] SickeninglySweethearts storyline with Wrestling/VickieGuerrero for about a year or so which worked to the point that if Lita had returned to take Edge back it would've been a '''HeelFaceTurn''' less than two years later. Hardy has increasingly gone JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope as a career-midcarder, and began excusing his brother and friends' every mistake while taking '''four years''' to clearly define that his legit heat with Edge was over. Edge has become a modern day legend through great feuds and matches with the likes of Wrestling/TheUndertaker, Wrestling/JohnCena, Wrestling/CMPunk, Wrestling/JeffHardy, Wrestling/ShawnMichaels, Wrestling/TripleH, Wrestling/{{Batista}}, Wrestling/RandyOrton, so on and so forth, still being the generally all-around [[MeanCharacterNiceActor awesome guy]] backstage (seriously, even Cena has the rare dirt sheet article or shoot interview saying he's treated someone like crap. Edge? NOTHING outside the love triangle scandal. In fact, Curt Hawkins and Wrestling/ZackRyder still praise him on Twitter a fair deal for helping them in their formative WWE years, and Hawkins has had a subtle nod to Edge's "Easy Bein' Sleazy" shirt as the logo on his ring jacket). The WWE Women's/Divas Division has plummeted into 2/3-minute snooze-fests on ''Raw'' and ''[=SmackDown=]'', and took such disrespect at ''[=WrestleMania XXV=]'' that Lita and Wrestling/TrishStratus refused to be among the returnees for that night's show because they saw it coming.


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* Wrestling/MattHardy: After years of being viewed as the lesser Hardy Boy compared to his main eventer brother Wrestling/JeffHardy and getting the worst fallout from the Edge and Lita situation, Matt has reinvigorated his brand with the SoBadItsGood gimmick of [[Funny/MattHardy Broken Matt]], sprouting catch phrases like "DELETE, DELETE, DELETE!" and "OBSOLETE" as well as giving Jeff the moniker of "Brother Nero" in a terrible unidentifiable accent. The Hardy Boyz even got a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVeC9wXZLUc monster pop]] at WrestleMania 33. He also has a new loving wife and children as well. So in essence, everyone involved in the Matt, Edge, and Lita scandal somehow came better off than before.
4th Sep '17 7:50:45 PM hullflyer
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** Bob Budiansky, the writer of much of [[ComicBook/TheTransformers the Marvel Comics series]], was widely derided in the early online fandom for his liking of childish or absurd stories (Ratbat leading the Decepticons, evil car washes, wrestling leagues) and Simon Furman was seen as MyRealDaddy for comic fans. At a certain point, however, people realized just how important he'd been to the early history of the franchise - writing ''all'' the profiles and coming up with almost every character name for the first three or four years - and started to notice that his comic run still had its share of decent or unique stories ([[UnbuiltTrope even today]]). While Furman is still considered the better writer of the two, Budiansky is less remembered as "that guy with the stupid plots" and more remembered as "that guy without whom ''Transformers'' would not exist."

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** Bob Budiansky, the writer of much of [[ComicBook/TheTransformers the Marvel Comics series]], was widely derided in the early online fandom for his liking of childish or absurd stories (Ratbat leading the Decepticons, evil car washes, wrestling leagues) and Simon Furman was seen as MyRealDaddy for comic fans. At a certain point, however, people realized just how important he'd been to the early history of the franchise - writing ''all'' the profiles and coming up with almost every character name for the first three or four years - and started to notice that his comic run still had its share of decent or unique stories ([[UnbuiltTrope even today]]). While Furman is still considered the better writer of the two, Budiansky is less remembered as "that guy with the stupid plots" and more remembered as "that guy without whom ''Transformers'' would not exist."" Fans have also become more aware (and understanding) of the fact that Budiansky, far more than Furman, suffered from a high amount of ExecutiveMeddling, forcing him to push out new characters at a near-impossible rate, instead of giving them time to develop.
1st Sep '17 10:44:54 AM KACofNN
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Most works that are well-recieved remain so, long after they get released, eventually being acclaimed as classics. However, some works that are well-received at their debut will fade into the mists of time as the public moves on to the newest thing, doomed to obscurity.

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Most works that are well-recieved well-received remain so, long after they get released, eventually being acclaimed as classics. However, some works that are well-received at their debut will fade into the mists of time as the public moves on to the newest thing, doomed to obscurity.
10th Aug '17 1:18:22 PM stuthehistoryguy
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* Creator/BettiePage. Almost completely by the early 1990s, she has emerged as ''the'' Fifties pinup queen, as well as a highly memetic mascot for the neo-rockabilly culture currently popular in Southern California.

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* Creator/BettiePage. Almost completely forgotten by the early 1990s, 1980s, she has emerged as ''the'' Fifties pinup queen, as well as a highly memetic mascot for the neo-rockabilly culture currently popular in Southern California.
10th Aug '17 1:14:47 PM stuthehistoryguy
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* Creator/BettiePage. Almost completely unknown until just a few decades ago, she has emerged as ''the'' Fifties pinup queen, as well as a highly memetic mascot for the neo-rockabilly culture currently popular in Southern California.

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* Creator/BettiePage. Almost completely unknown until just a few decades ago, by the early 1990s, she has emerged as ''the'' Fifties pinup queen, as well as a highly memetic mascot for the neo-rockabilly culture currently popular in Southern California.
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