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29th Jul '16 2:35:01 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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Villains who are thrust into a FishOutOfWater situation never seem to have any trouble adjusting to their new surroundings, frequently becoming socially important and powerful, whereas a hero similarly displaced will stick out like a sore thumb, freaking out at the bizarre customs of the alien world/future/past/whatever and asking people "WhatYearIsThis" Just another day at the office for EvilIsCool and GoodIsDumb, or maybe they're really just that DangerouslyGenreSavvy.

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Villains who are thrust into a FishOutOfWater situation never seem to have any trouble adjusting to their new surroundings, frequently becoming socially important and powerful, whereas a hero similarly displaced will stick out like a sore thumb, freaking out at the bizarre customs of the alien world/future/past/whatever and asking people "WhatYearIsThis" Just another day at the office for EvilIsCool and GoodIsDumb, or maybe they're really just that DangerouslyGenreSavvy.
GoodIsDumb.
17th Jul '16 7:47:32 PM Discar
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Or, more pragmatically, it can just be to make things [[NoDelaysForTheWicked easier for the villain]] and therefore [[FinaglesLaw harder for the hero]]. An extension of this is the OutsideContextVillain, who keeps all their advantages and abuses them in their new location.

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Or, more pragmatically, it can just be to make things [[NoDelaysForTheWicked easier for the villain]] and therefore [[FinaglesLaw harder for the hero]]. An extension of this is the OutsideContextVillain, OutsideContextProblem, who keeps all their advantages and abuses them in their new location.
6th May '16 8:38:22 AM Piando
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* {{Subverted}} on ''TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012,'' when [[HotBlooded Raphael]] accidentally switches bodies with a Kraang. Raph resorts to BadBadActing and a sort of {{Inverted}} HughMann act, but the Kraang in his body doesn't even try to trick the other Turtles, instead attacking them on sight. He escapes, wanders around New York in plain sight of humans, and then gets caught and hog-tied by the others pretty quickly.

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* {{Subverted}} on ''TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012,'' ''WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012,'' when [[HotBlooded Raphael]] accidentally switches bodies with a Kraang. Raph resorts to BadBadActing and a sort of {{Inverted}} HughMann act, but the Kraang in his body doesn't even try to trick the other Turtles, instead attacking them on sight. He escapes, wanders around New York in plain sight of humans, and then gets caught and hog-tied by the others pretty quickly.
14th Apr '16 2:43:17 PM Arachnos
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** Meanwhile, Discord, a different villain who has been trapped in the form of a [[TakenForGranite statue]] for even longer than Luna was on the moon, has no trouble with modern speech patterns at all. However, when he first breaks out, he seems to know a lot about the main cast, implying that he was [[AndIMustScream aware of his surroundings while he was locked into his statue]], which would explain that. This would later be confirmed in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E11KeepCalmAndFlutterOn Keep Calm and Flutter On]]".

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** Meanwhile, Discord, a different villain who has been trapped in the form of a [[TakenForGranite statue]] for even longer than Luna was on the moon, has no trouble with modern speech patterns at all. However, when he first breaks out, he seems to know a lot about the main cast, implying that he either was [[AndIMustScream aware of his surroundings while he was locked into his statue]], statue]] or is capable of {{telepathy}}, either of which would could explain that. This would later be confirmed (He affirms the former in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS3E11KeepCalmAndFlutterOn Keep Calm and Flutter On]]".On]]", though [[{{Troll}} being who he is]] it's possible that he's lying.)
29th Feb '16 2:39:56 PM poi99
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->''"The future isn't what you thought. It's what I am!"''
-->-- '''UsefulNotes/JackTheRipper''', to Creator/HGWells, ''Film/TimeAfterTime''

15th Feb '16 7:34:56 AM MacronNotes
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A heroic inversion of this trope is possible, but much rarer -- see LikeAFishTakesToWater.

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A heroic inversion of this trope is possible, but much rarer -- see LikeAFishTakesToWater.
LikeADuckTakesToWater.
31st Jan '16 8:42:05 AM nombretomado
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* One episode of ''SuperFriends'' had Superman switch with his duplicate from a MirrorUniverse; Evil Superman figured the whole thing out within fifteen seconds of coming to in the Hall of Justice, while Good Superman kept going "What's happening? Batman, why do you have a goatee? Why did you just say 'Hall of Kicking Puppies'?" until the bad guys figured it out and Kryptonited him.

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* One episode of ''SuperFriends'' ''{{WesternAnimation/Superfriends}}'' had Superman switch with his duplicate from a MirrorUniverse; Evil Superman figured the whole thing out within fifteen seconds of coming to in the Hall of Justice, while Good Superman kept going "What's happening? Batman, why do you have a goatee? Why did you just say 'Hall of Kicking Puppies'?" until the bad guys figured it out and Kryptonited him.
20th Dec '15 3:35:04 PM Luigifan
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In many cases it's an example of VillainsActHeroesReact; villains are much better at patient planning than ([[GuileHero most]]) heroes, and put lots of points into blending in with society - otherwise, [[FridgeLogic how would they have amassed power behind the scenes anyway]]? The hero often puts all his points into fighting the villain rather than adapting to the circumstances. If the hero ''gets'' to the villain, he wins, but the villain's best defense is having nobody take up arms against him to begin with, and then delaying the hero as much as possible. Both hero and villain make pretty reasonable bets. A side effect of this is that a sudden change of scene often permits the villain to call upon TheLopsidedArmOfTheLaw to get the hero ArrestedForHeroism.

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In many cases it's an example of VillainsActHeroesReact; villains are much better at patient planning than ([[GuileHero most]]) heroes, and put lots of points into blending in with society - -- otherwise, [[FridgeLogic how would they have amassed power behind the scenes anyway]]? The hero often puts all his points into fighting the villain rather than adapting to the circumstances. If the hero ''gets'' to the villain, he wins, but the villain's best defense is having nobody take up arms against him to begin with, and then delaying the hero as much as possible. Both hero and villain make pretty reasonable bets. A side effect of this is that a sudden change of scene often permits the villain to call upon TheLopsidedArmOfTheLaw to get the hero ArrestedForHeroism.



As a corollary, it will generally be easier for the villains to convince the locals that they're friendly than it will be for the heroes to convince them that they're not evil. Even if the evilness of the villains is [[RedRightHand writ large enough]] to be detectable from space ([[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast via]] {{Namedar}}). This mostly seems to result from the hero's stubborn refusal to shut the hell up about how great it was back in their world and to refuse to take on any native culture. They will wear the same outfit they had when they came him and constantly complain about the local food. This isn't helped by the fact that the hero will usually insist on going around shouting at people near-hysterically about how they're from the past and how utterly evil the villain is, [[YouHaveToBelieveMe in a fashion that only makes them come across like a complete psycho]]. The villain on the other hand will immediately trade in his duds for local wear and tuck into the native cuisine with gusto. He will never mention that he is from another world and be immediately accepted.

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As a corollary, it will generally be easier for the villains to convince the locals that they're friendly than it will be for the heroes to convince them that they're not evil. Even if the evilness of the villains is [[RedRightHand writ large enough]] to be detectable from space ([[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast via]] {{Namedar}}). This mostly seems to result from the hero's stubborn refusal to shut the hell up about how great it was back in their world and to refuse to take on any native culture. They will wear the same outfit they had when they came him in and constantly complain about the local food. This isn't helped by the fact that the hero will usually insist on going around shouting at people near-hysterically about how they're from the past and how utterly evil the villain is, [[YouHaveToBelieveMe in a fashion that only makes them come across like a complete psycho]]. The villain on the other hand will immediately trade in his duds for local wear and tuck into the native cuisine with gusto. He will never mention that he is from another world and be immediately accepted.
7th Nov '15 10:19:47 PM nombretomado
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* In the ComicBooks, ''CaptainAmerica'' had a bit of trouble fitting into the future at first, but his archenemy, The RedSkull, apparently hit the ground running as soon as he was revived. The difference is that Red Skull actually went into suspended animation by choice (sort of), while Cap fell in the water in 1945 and woke up in... [[ComicBookTime the present day]].

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* In the ComicBooks, ''CaptainAmerica'' ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica'' had a bit of trouble fitting into the future at first, but his archenemy, The RedSkull, ComicBook/RedSkull, apparently hit the ground running as soon as he was revived. The difference is that Red Skull actually went into suspended animation by choice (sort of), while Cap fell in the water in 1945 and woke up in... [[ComicBookTime the present day]].
5th Nov '15 1:30:06 PM Morgenthaler
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* Partially used in ''VampireDiaries'' with the [[spoiler: vampires released from beneath the church, most of whom start fitting in pretty fast. However, they are seen being instructed in using modern technology, and some of them are too interested in feeding to bother learning much.]] And of course, the ability to mind control your way through most problems would help.

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* Partially used Justified in ''VampireDiaries'' ''Series/TheVampireDiaries'' with the vampires [[spoiler: vampires released from beneath the church, church]], most of whom start fitting in pretty fast. However, they are seen being instructed in using modern technology, and some of them are too interested in feeding to bother learning much.]] And of course, the ability to mind control your way through most problems would help.



* Inverted by the final season of ''{{Smallville}}'': [[MagnificentBastard Lionel Luthor's]] nicer counterpart from [[AlternateUniverse Earth-2]] is transported to the main universe and easily settles in, despite the fact that on Earth-1, Lionel Luthor's been ''dead'' for three years. He claims his cover story is that he faked his death, which is pretty believable for Earth-1 Lionel and he has Earth-1 Lionel's journal to fill in the details.

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* Inverted by the final season of ''{{Smallville}}'': ''Series/{{Smallville}}'': [[MagnificentBastard Lionel Luthor's]] nicer counterpart from [[AlternateUniverse Earth-2]] is transported to the main universe and easily settles in, despite the fact that on Earth-1, Lionel Luthor's been ''dead'' for three years. He claims his cover story is that he faked his death, which is pretty believable for Earth-1 Lionel and he has Earth-1 Lionel's journal to fill in the details.



* The villain Silverthorn in ''TheGirlFromTomorrow'' traveled from the year 2500 to 1990 and fit in better than Alana, who lived in the year 3000. Justified in that Silverthorn was older and Alana just a teenager and that Silverthorn had access to technology from the year 3000 that he used to his advantage, but it was also due to the fact that Silverthorn lived in post-apocalyptia and the selfish instincts he developed there aided his rise up the corporate ladder in 1990, whereas in 3000 the world was most of the way into being rebuilt into a utopia.

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* The villain Silverthorn in ''TheGirlFromTomorrow'' ''Series/TheGirlFromTomorrow'' traveled from the year 2500 to 1990 and fit in better than Alana, who lived in the year 3000. Justified in that Silverthorn was older and Alana just a teenager and that Silverthorn had access to technology from the year 3000 that he used to his advantage, but it was also due to the fact that Silverthorn lived in post-apocalyptia and the selfish instincts he developed there aided his rise up the corporate ladder in 1990, whereas in 3000 the world was most of the way into being rebuilt into a utopia.
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