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17th Jul '17 8:10:49 AM sketchdoodle
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* Imperial Russia in ''Literature/MaleRising''. Before the Great War, she was the largest contiguous land empire on Earth. When Russia lost, the Romanovs were consigned to only reign in [[spoiler:the colony of Russian Eritrea, in the Horn of Africa]]. While most of the family, chiefly the daughters, married other princes to get away, one notable member became enamored with her new home, setting off a love affair that would [[MalignedMixedMarriage see her spilt]] [[IHaveNoSon with her exiled father]].
7th Jul '17 10:40:47 PM Divra
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** In ''VideoGame/TotalWarWarhammer'' TheEmpire starts out only in control of the capital city of Altdorf. The rest of Reikland is controlled by secessionists, who are supported by Boris Todbringer of Middenland. Even when that situation is dealt with, you are still only in control of one of the eight provinces you nominally rule and even if the other Elector Counts aren't openly in defiance of you, it takes a fair amount of political and military maneuvering to take control of the lands you nominally ruled from square one.
29th Jun '17 7:24:01 PM thatmadork
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** ''VideoGame/ThirdAgeTotalWar'': Gondor. All of its former land east of Anduin starts off as rebel territory or controlled by Mordor, including East Osgiliath. Eriador is even worse off; that motley patchwork quilt of Breeland settlers, woodsmen, hobbits and wandering rangers is the last remnant of the Dunedain kingdom of Arnor (you ''can'' reverse Arnor's fortunes however, [[GameBreaker in a big way at that]]).
13th Jun '17 10:06:27 PM nombretomado
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* The Ottoman Empire was so far gone by the 19th century that Russian Czar Nicholas I coined the term "sick man of Europe" to describe it, and further noted that it was "falling to pieces." Subverted when the Turks wised up and became strong again during the mid-19th and again early the 20th century...only to chose the losing side in WorldWarOne and now Turkey only has Anatolia and Eastern Thrace left (and barely at that: all of Eastern Thrace and most of Anatolia were to be ceded or put under foreign influence, and were only recovered when the Turkish National Movement based in Ankara overthrew the emperor and won the War of Turkish Independence, forcing a new treaty). At least they still have Constantinople, [[IstanbulNotConstantinople now named Istanbul]]. And now there's been an insurgency by the Kurdistan Workers Party and various other assorted groups going on since the 70s. Many of these seek to create an independent country in the southeast for the oppressed Kurdish minority. Armenians are also sore over losing much of their homeland after the Soviets conquered Armenia and gave Turkey over 85% of their land, but their having any of it returned to them is rather unlikely unless Turkey is finally forced to pay them genocide reparations.

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* The Ottoman Empire was so far gone by the 19th century that Russian Czar Nicholas I coined the term "sick man of Europe" to describe it, and further noted that it was "falling to pieces." Subverted when the Turks wised up and became strong again during the mid-19th and again early the 20th century...only to chose the losing side in WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarI and now Turkey only has Anatolia and Eastern Thrace left (and barely at that: all of Eastern Thrace and most of Anatolia were to be ceded or put under foreign influence, and were only recovered when the Turkish National Movement based in Ankara overthrew the emperor and won the War of Turkish Independence, forcing a new treaty). At least they still have Constantinople, [[IstanbulNotConstantinople now named Istanbul]]. And now there's been an insurgency by the Kurdistan Workers Party and various other assorted groups going on since the 70s. Many of these seek to create an independent country in the southeast for the oppressed Kurdish minority. Armenians are also sore over losing much of their homeland after the Soviets conquered Armenia and gave Turkey over 85% of their land, but their having any of it returned to them is rather unlikely unless Turkey is finally forced to pay them genocide reparations.



* In the early twentieth-century, UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan was the dominant great power of the Pacific thanks to its rapid industrialization in the late nineteenth-century, holding its original islands, Korea, parts of Manchuria, and many islands in the Pacific (including Taiwan). It shocked the "civilised" Western nations by defeating the eastern Russian navy in 1904-5, and had plans to expand into China and Oceania during TheGreatDepression. Before it took pretty a significant portion of East Asia during World War 2 before being defeated, they also had significant influence in the area due to their powerful navy, leading interventions into China and Siberia, and annexing all of Manchuria before World War 2. Now, thanks to their defeat during WorldWarTwo and their subsequent occupation by the UnitedStates, Japan consists almost entirely of just its original islands, and its military has been constitutionally neutered.

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* In the early twentieth-century, UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan was the dominant great power of the Pacific thanks to its rapid industrialization in the late nineteenth-century, holding its original islands, Korea, parts of Manchuria, and many islands in the Pacific (including Taiwan). It shocked the "civilised" Western nations by defeating the eastern Russian navy in 1904-5, and had plans to expand into China and Oceania during TheGreatDepression. Before it took pretty a significant portion of East Asia during World War 2 before being defeated, they also had significant influence in the area due to their powerful navy, leading interventions into China and Siberia, and annexing all of Manchuria before World War 2. Now, thanks to their defeat during WorldWarTwo UsefulNotes/WorldWarII and their subsequent occupation by the UnitedStates, Japan consists almost entirely of just its original islands, and its military has been constitutionally neutered.



** Applies more to the Lithuanian half of the Commonwealth. Before joining together with Poland, Lithuania was a vast empire stretching from the Baltic nearly to the Black Sea. Even as part of the Commonwealth, much of former Lithuanian territory was captured by the rising Russian Empire while its aristocracy largely became Polonized. It is now a tiny country on the Baltic. On the other hand, it did retake its old capital Vilnius from the Poles after UsefulNotes/WorldWar2.

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** Applies more to the Lithuanian half of the Commonwealth. Before joining together with Poland, Lithuania was a vast empire stretching from the Baltic nearly to the Black Sea. Even as part of the Commonwealth, much of former Lithuanian territory was captured by the rising Russian Empire while its aristocracy largely became Polonized. It is now a tiny country on the Baltic. On the other hand, it did retake its old capital Vilnius from the Poles after UsefulNotes/WorldWar2.UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
13th Jun '17 10:53:03 AM BeerBaron
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* The ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' franchise revolves around [[GambitIndex Gambits]] by various leaders to keep TheEmpire of Tamriel from falling apart, either due to internal politicking or external threats.
** In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall'', the hero is a "friend" of the emperor sent to recover [[spoiler:a ForgottenSuperweapon that was used to forge the empire,]] though you can choose to instead side with one of many factions, all with their own plot. Later games reveal that a DivineIntervention made ''all'' the game's endings happen at once, most of them cancelling out and bringing peace and some stability to the region.
** In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' the Emperor sends the player, who's a prisoner, to the eponymous province, so that he may join the emperor's [[PraetorianGuard Blades]] and fulfill a prophecy the locals have. Doing so would give the emperor a very religiously and politically powerful tool [[spoiler:(you, the Nerevarine)]], as well as removing forces more hostile to the Empire [[spoiler:(Dagoth Ur and the Tribunal)]].
** In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'', the very heart of the Tamriel is attacked by TheLegionsOfHell and the Emperor who has been the last link to keep it together is assassinated. Fortunately, he has a HiddenBackupPrince, but unfortunately he doesn't survive long. The leader of the Elder Council, High Chancellor Ocato, is appointed regent, but has his hands full keeping the Empire together.
*** In the aftermath of the Oblivion Crisis, Argonia/Black Marsh secedes from the Empire under the leadership of the xenophobic An-Xileel party, followed shortly by Elsweyr. Four years after this, Morrowind is devastated when the volcano at the heart of the Vvardenfell erupts, and then the Argonians, after a long history of being exploited by the native Dunmer, annex the southern part of the province. Five years after that Ocato is assassinated, plunging the capital province of Cyrodiil into nearly a decade of civil war, which ends when the warlord Titus Mede seizes power and is crowned emperor. The Empire starts to revive, only for the ultranationalist Thalmor (suspected to be behind Ocato's assassination) to take over the province of Summerset Isle and secede, and then a Thalmor-led coup in Valenwood causes the Empire to lose that province as well to the new Aldmeri Dominion. ''Then'' the moons disappear for two years, and when they return and the Thalmor claim credit, and since the Khajiit hold the moons sacred, Elsweyr joins the Aldmeri Dominion as a pair of vassal states. After seventy years, the Aldmeri Dominion invades the remains of the Empire in the Great War that ends in a bloody stalemate, in which the Empire is forced to cede the province of Hammerfell to the Thalmor and allow elven agents to persecute worshipers of Talos, the deified Emperor Tiber Septim. The Redguards manage to drive the Thalmor out of Hammerfell, but remain independent afterward. And during all this chaos, the Breton-majority portion of Skyrim called the Reach briefly rebels from the rest of the province, but is quashed.
** All this to say, by ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' the Empire of Tamriel is down to two provinces, and Skyrim itself is wracked by a civil war (quietly encouraged by the Thalmor) between loyalists and secessionists led by Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak, who objects to the terms of the treaty that ended the Great War. The player can help him wrest control of all Skyrim, side with the Imperial Legion and execute him, or broker a ceasefire so everyone can deal with [[OutsideContextProblem those dragons that are running amok.]] Additionally, the player can join the [[MurderInc Dark Brotherhood]] and [[spoiler:kill the current emperor, Titus Mede II]], or wipe out the organization, as well as rescue the Forsworn king from prison so he can continue his guerilla campaign to liberate the Reach, or kill him.
** Ironically, The Empire of Tamriel itself was built on the remains of the ancient Ayleid Empire after it was overthrown in a slave rebellion. The province of Cyrodiil is loaded with ancient Ayleid ruins, and the Imperial Palace is a repurposed Ayleid fortress.

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* The ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' franchise ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** In each main series game, the plot is either kicked off by or
revolves around [[GambitIndex Gambits]] by various the actions of the leaders of the Third Tamriellic Empire (most notably Emperor Uriel Septim VII) to keep TheEmpire protect the continent of Tamriel from falling apart, either due to various threats (both internal politicking or external threats.
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and external, supernatural and mundane) while holding the declining empire together in this state.
*** ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsArena Arena]]'' sees Uriel VII's [[EvilChancellor Imperial Battlemage]], [[BigBad Jagar Tharn]], imprison the Emperor in Oblivion while usurping his throne. Naturally, the plot of the game involves defeating Tharn (who later works reveal is working for [[BiggerBad Mehrunes Dagon]], the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedric Prince]] of [[OmnicidalManiac Destruction]]) and restoring Uriel VII to his throne.
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In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall'', ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIDaggerfall Daggerfall]]'', the hero is a "friend" of the emperor Emperor sent to recover [[spoiler:a ForgottenSuperweapon HumongousMecha that was used to forge the empire,]] empire]], though you can choose to instead side with one of many factions, all with their own plot. intentions. Later games reveal that a TimeCrash-style DivineIntervention made ''all'' the game's endings [[MergingTheBranches happen at once, most of them cancelling out and once]], [[BroadStrokes though none to the same extent]] as they would have individually, bringing peace and some stability to the region.
** *** In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'' ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', the Emperor sends the player, who's PlayerCharacter , a prisoner, prisoner from the Imperial City, to the eponymous province, so that he may join the emperor's [[PraetorianGuard [[SecretPolice Blades]] and [[TheChosenOne fulfill a prophecy prophecy]] of the locals have. local [[OurElvesAreBetter Dunmer (Dark Elves)]]. Doing so would give gives the emperor a very religiously (religiously and politically politically) powerful tool [[spoiler:(you, the Nerevarine)]], as well as removing forces more hostile to the Empire [[spoiler:(Dagoth Ur [[spoiler:([[BigBad Dagoth Ur]] and the Tribunal)]].
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[[PhysicalGod Tribunal]])]].
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In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion'', ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion]]'', Uriel's scheming finally reaches its end when Cyrodiil, the very heart of the Tamriel Empire, is attacked by TheLegionsOfHell [[TheLegionsOfHell the Daedric forces of Mehrunes Dagon]] and the Emperor who has been the last link to keep it together Uriel himself is assassinated. Fortunately, he has a HiddenBackupPrince, but unfortunately [[spoiler:but he doesn't survive long. quickly gives his life to stop Dagon]]. The leader of the Elder Council, [[TheGoodChancellor High Chancellor Ocato, Ocato]], is appointed regent, [[RegentForLife Potentate]], but has his hands full keeping the Empire together.
*** In the aftermath of the what comes to be known as "the Oblivion Crisis, Argonia/Black Marsh secedes from Crisis," Ocato manages to keep the Empire under together for a time. However, he is assassinated by the leadership [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]], a religious extremist sect of the xenophobic An-Xileel party, followed shortly by Elsweyr. Four years after this, Morrowind is devastated when [[OurElvesAreBetter Altmer (High Elves)]] who quickly reform the volcano at [[AntiHumanAlliance Aldmeri Dominion]] of old, the heart of ancient rival to the Vvardenfell erupts, and then the Argonians, after a long history Empires of being exploited by the native Dunmer, annex the southern part of the province. Five years after that Ocato is assassinated, plunging Cyrodiil. Ocato's assassination plunges the capital province of Cyrodiil into nearly a decade of civil war, which ends when the warlord Titus Mede seizes power and is crowned emperor. The Empire starts to revive, only for Emperor. Argonia/Black Marsh (home of the ultranationalist Thalmor (suspected to be behind Ocato's assassination) to take over the province of Summerset Isle and secede, and then a Thalmor-led coup in Valenwood causes [[LizardFolk Argonians]]) secedes from the Empire to lose that province as well to under the new Aldmeri Dominion. ''Then'' leadership of the moons disappear for two years, and xenophobic An-Xileel party, followed shortly by the [[CatFolk Khajiit]] of Elsweyr. Morrowind is then devastated when they return the Ministry of Truth, a rogue moon frozen in place in the distant past by one of their {{Physical God}}s, [[ColonyDrop resumes its descent with its original momentum]]. This causes [[ChekhovsVolcano Red Mountain]], a volcano in the heart of Morrowind, to erupt, destroying most of Vvardenfell and the Thalmor claim credit, and since the Khajiit hold the moons sacred, Elsweyr joins the rendering much of Morrowind uninhabitable under a cloud of choking ash. The Aldmeri Dominion forcefully annexes Valenwood (home of the Bosmer (Wood Elves) and then [[BlatantLies claims credit]] for restoring Tamriel's moons (sacred to the Khajiit) to the sky after they mysteriously disappear, bringing them Elsweyr as a pair of vassal states. [[VoluntaryVassal client state]]. After seventy years, the Aldmeri Dominion invades the remains of the Empire in the Great War that ends in a bloody stalemate, in which the Empire is forced to cede the province of Hammerfell to the Thalmor and allow elven Thalmor agents to persecute worshipers of Talos, the [[DeityOfHumanOrigin deified Emperor Tiber Septim.Septim]]. The Redguards manage to drive the Thalmor out of Hammerfell, but remain independent afterward. And during all this chaos, the Breton-majority portion of Skyrim called the Reach briefly rebels from the rest of the province, but is quashed.
** *** All this to say, by ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', the Third Empire of Tamriel is down to two functional provinces, and with a third, Skyrim itself is itself, wracked by a civil war (quietly encouraged by the Thalmor) between loyalists and secessionists led by Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak, who objects to the terms of the treaty that ended the Great War. The player can help him wrest control of all Skyrim, side with the Imperial Legion and execute him, or broker a ceasefire so everyone can deal with [[OutsideContextProblem those the dragons that who have suddenly returned and are running amok.]] Additionally, the player can join the [[MurderInc Dark Brotherhood]] and [[spoiler:kill the current emperor, Titus Mede II]], or wipe out the organization, as well as rescue the Forsworn king from prison so he can continue his guerilla campaign to liberate the Reach, or kill him.
** Ironically, The Empire of Tamriel itself was the various Cyrodiilic Empires were built on the remains of the ancient Ayleid [[OurElvesAreBetter Ayleid]] Empire after it was overthrown in a slave rebellion. The province of Cyrodiil is loaded with ancient Ayleid ruins, and the Imperial Palace is a repurposed Ayleid fortress.
13th Jun '17 10:22:20 AM BeerBaron
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* The Dual Solar Empire from ''VideoGame/UrbanGalaxy'' once had a monopoly over their most valuable resource, Carble, until the emperor's death. Then all of the corporations grabbed their rights over the resource, and a recession crippled the empire.


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* The Dual Solar Empire from ''VideoGame/UrbanGalaxy'' once had a monopoly over their most valuable resource, Carble, until the emperor's death. Then all of the corporations grabbed their rights over the resource, and a recession crippled the empire.
10th Jun '17 8:08:48 AM StairPair
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* FanFic/ShatteredEmpire focuses on the Imperial Remnant of Star Wars legends as the main protagonist. Like in the source material they used to be Palpatine galaxy spanning Empire before being reduced to a mere eight sectors by the New Republic.

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* FanFic/ShatteredEmpire focuses on the Imperial Remnant of Star Wars legends and mentioned below in the literature section as the main protagonist. Like in the source material they used to be Palpatine galaxy spanning Empire before being reduced to a mere eight sectors by the New Republic. They however seek to restore their status to how it was during Palpatine's reign.
10th Jun '17 8:07:00 AM StairPair
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*FanFic/ShatteredEmpire focuses on the Imperial Remnant of Star Wars legends as the main protagonist. Like in the source material they used to be Palpatine galaxy spanning Empire before being reduced to a mere eight sectors by the New Republic.
29th May '17 6:28:28 AM Morgenthaler
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* In the early twentieth-century, ImperialJapan was the dominant great power of the Pacific thanks to its rapid industrialization in the late nineteenth-century, holding its original islands, Korea, parts of Manchuria, and many islands in the Pacific (including Taiwan). It shocked the "civilised" Western nations by defeating the eastern Russian navy in 1904-5, and had plans to expand into China and Oceania during TheGreatDepression. Before it took pretty a significant portion of East Asia during World War 2 before being defeated, they also had significant influence in the area due to their powerful navy, leading interventions into China and Siberia, and annexing all of Manchuria before World War 2. Now, thanks to their defeat during WorldWarTwo and their subsequent occupation by the UnitedStates, Japan consists almost entirely of just its original islands, and its military has been constitutionally neutered.

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* In the early twentieth-century, ImperialJapan UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan was the dominant great power of the Pacific thanks to its rapid industrialization in the late nineteenth-century, holding its original islands, Korea, parts of Manchuria, and many islands in the Pacific (including Taiwan). It shocked the "civilised" Western nations by defeating the eastern Russian navy in 1904-5, and had plans to expand into China and Oceania during TheGreatDepression. Before it took pretty a significant portion of East Asia during World War 2 before being defeated, they also had significant influence in the area due to their powerful navy, leading interventions into China and Siberia, and annexing all of Manchuria before World War 2. Now, thanks to their defeat during WorldWarTwo and their subsequent occupation by the UnitedStates, Japan consists almost entirely of just its original islands, and its military has been constitutionally neutered.
26th May '17 9:48:05 PM karstovich2
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** The First Intermediate Period (2181-2055 BCE) counts as a highly restricted example. After the collapse of the Old Kingdom, the regional lords--previously the Pharaoh's governors[[note]]In older books, these governors are often called "nomarchs," as the provinces were called ''nomes''. However, this is based on Greek usage, which is understandable, as the Egyptian language was unknown to Western scholars until well into the 19th century (even after Champollion deciphered the Rosetta stone, the Ancient Egyptian language took decades to more-or-less-fully figure out) while the Greeks, with their [[ForeignCultureFetish collective hard-on for all things Egyptian]], had written down everything they could find out about Egypt in a language Western scholars could understand but translated the terminology.[[/note]]--took complete control of the country, but for the first part of it (the Seventh and Eighth Dynasties) there was still a Pharaoh at Memphis. However, his power was completely nominal; at best, he might have had a religious role outside his relatively small domain around the once-great capital. (Records of the period are very sketchy, seeing as it was frickin' ''four thousand years ago''--it was ancient history ''to the Ancient Greeks''.) Eventually, the Memphite pharaohs collapsed, and the lords of Heraclitopolis in Lower Egypt (the Nile Delta in the north) and Thebes in Upper Egypt proclaimed themselves Pharaohs and fought for quite some time before the Theban Eleventh Dynasty conquered Lower Egypt and established the Middle Kingdom.

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** The First Intermediate Period (2181-2055 BCE) counts as a highly restricted example. After the collapse of the Old Kingdom, the regional lords--previously the Pharaoh's governors[[note]]In older books, these governors are often called "nomarchs," as the provinces were called ''nomes''. However, this is based on Greek usage, which is understandable, as the Egyptian language was unknown to Western scholars until well into the 19th century (even after Champollion deciphered the Rosetta stone, the Ancient Egyptian language took decades to more-or-less-fully figure out) while out--more or less, because there are ''still'' arguments, made more complicated by the fact that Ancient Egypt existed for ''three thousand-plus years'' and so changed a lot). On the other hand, the Greeks, with their [[ForeignCultureFetish collective hard-on for all things Egyptian]], had written down everything they could find out about Egypt in a language Western scholars could understand but translated the terminology.[[/note]]--took complete control of the country, but for the first part of it (the Seventh and Eighth Dynasties) there was still a Pharaoh at Memphis. However, his power was completely nominal; at best, he might have had a religious role outside his relatively small domain around the once-great capital. (Records of the period are very sketchy, seeing as it was frickin' ''four thousand years ago''--it was ancient history ''to the Ancient Greeks''.) Eventually, the Memphite pharaohs collapsed, and the lords of Heraclitopolis in Lower Egypt (the Nile Delta in the north) and Thebes in Upper Egypt proclaimed themselves Pharaohs and fought for quite some time before the Theban Eleventh Dynasty conquered Lower Egypt and established the Middle Kingdom.
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