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23rd Aug '16 12:01:08 AM Nicoaln
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* Denam in ''VideoGame/TacticsOgreLetUsClingTogether'' can be this - if he takes the lawful decision at the end of chapter one, he will decide to commit a FalseFlagOperation as per the orders of Duke Ronwey.

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* Denam in ''VideoGame/TacticsOgreLetUsClingTogether'' ''VideoGame/TacticsOgre'' can be this - if he takes the lawful decision at the end of chapter one, he will decide to commit a FalseFlagOperation as per the orders of Duke Ronwey. Heck, Duke Ronwey himself is this - he decides that a FalseFlagOperation is a good idea to unite the Wallister.
22nd Aug '16 11:57:54 PM Nicoaln
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* Denam in ''VideoGame/TacticsOgreLetUsClingTogether'' can be this - if he takes the lawful decision at the end of chapter one, he will decide to commit a FalseFlagOperation as per the orders of Duke Ronwey.
14th Aug '16 11:33:48 PM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* The bonus material for ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'' describe the Flood as a theoretical utopia, where, if everybody joined the Flood, there would be no more violence, war, poverty, hatred, etc. Unfortunately, the means by which it does this is by assimilating all life and rendering them into [[ZombieApocalypse zombie-like creatures]].

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* The bonus material for ''VideoGame/{{Halo 3}}'' describe the ''Franchise/{{Halo}}''[='s=] Flood as a theoretical utopia, where, if everybody joined the Flood, there would be no more violence, war, poverty, hatred, etc. Unfortunately, the means by which it does this is by assimilating all life and rendering them into [[ZombieApocalypse zombie-like creatures]].
3rd Aug '16 5:27:07 PM WillBGood
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** Colonel Green strongly believed this. After the Third World War, he organised the forced sterilisation and euthanasia of all those suffering radiation damage, in order to prevent them from passing on their mutations, deformities and health problems to the next generation. According to ''Enterprise'', the morality and ramifications of what he did are still being [[GreyAndGrayMorality heavily]] [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation debated]] well into the 22nd century, with some considering him simply a [[FinalSolution despotic murderer]], while others view him as an WellIntentionedExtremist who's actions ultimately [[TheExtremistWasRight spared]] future generations from undue suffering.

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** Colonel Green strongly believed this. After the Third World War, he organised the forced sterilisation and euthanasia of all those suffering radiation damage, in order to prevent them from passing on their mutations, deformities and health problems to the next generation. According to ''Enterprise'', the morality and ramifications of what he did are still being [[GreyAndGrayMorality heavily]] [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation debated]] well into the 22nd century, with some considering him simply a [[FinalSolution despotic murderer]], while others view him as an WellIntentionedExtremist who's whose actions ultimately [[TheExtremistWasRight spared]] future generations from undue suffering.
3rd Aug '16 5:16:43 PM WillBGood
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* The Ultimate Gundam from ''Anime/MobileFighterGGundam'' wanted to kill all of humanity. It's ultimate goal? [[spoiler:Fixing the damage caused to the Earth by all the Gundam Fights,]] which, incidentally, was caused by humans.

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* The Ultimate Gundam from ''Anime/MobileFighterGGundam'' wanted to kill all of humanity. It's Its ultimate goal? [[spoiler:Fixing the damage caused to the Earth by all the Gundam Fights,]] which, incidentally, was caused by humans.
31st Jul '16 2:59:43 PM Steven
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** [[TheEmpire The Garlean Empire]] in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIV'' conquer nations and insists that its for their own good so that Eorzea can be under order instead of chaos. The empire also insists that killing all beastmen would solve the problem of [[EvilGod primals]], evne if it means killing beastmen that are not mindless drones summoning their gods. To top it all off, the empire believes using ancient tech from an empire of the past would help them gain even more power to further their goals. Utopia means nothing if your nation has no freedom, you slaughter innocent beings because of GuiltByCoincidence (which in turn causes the more fanatic beastmen to summon stronger versions of primals out of fear and desperation), and using forbidden technology at the risk of repeating the very same mistakes that the ancient empire made.
*** During the ''Heavensward'' scenario, TheManBehindTheMan attempts to justify his actions. [[spoiler: Believing that only absolute order will bring peace and end the Dragonsong War, Archbishop Thordon and his Heavens Ward knights become primals and tap into the energy of [[SealedEvilInACan elder primals sealed by the Allagans]], believing that suppression of free will and using absolute power is the only way to bring peace to Eorzea.]]
22nd Jul '16 5:31:50 AM zealots
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** In a 1999 special Magneto's former [[TheDragon Dragon]] Exodus experienced a HeelRealization and decided to become TheAtoner, with his first act of penance being to bring peace to the war-torn island nation of Genosha. By kidnapping Forge and forcing him to build a SuperEmpowering device, Exodus was able to do what no one else before him could and end the mutant-human hostilities... by using his PsychicPowers to effect something MoreThanMindControl on every mutant and human on the island.
6th Jul '16 8:20:21 PM Karxrida
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** Walhart from ''[[FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'' mixes this with AndManGrewProud, where he sees a future where mankind would no longer believe in god. And even then, he's not exactly bad. Mainly thanks to the fact that [[BigBad Grima's forces]] can't do very much on him, and that [[IKnowYouKnowIKnow he's fully aware of what is happening.]] All rest is also thanks to being nothing more than {{Badass}} incarnate.

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** Walhart from ''[[FireEmblemAwakening ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening Awakening]]'' mixes this with AndManGrewProud, where he sees a future where mankind would no longer believe in god. And even then, he's not exactly bad. Mainly thanks to the fact that [[BigBad Grima's forces]] can't do very much on him, and that [[IKnowYouKnowIKnow he's fully aware of what is happening.]] All rest is also thanks to being nothing more than {{Badass}} incarnate.
30th Jun '16 8:24:32 PM PaulA
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* In Poul Anderson's "A World Called Maanerek", the Hegemony wants to reunite all mankind. Even Sonna thinks it noble until she realizes they don't want to ally with her people but exterminate them so they won't interfere.

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* In Poul Anderson's "A World Called Maanerek", Creator/PoulAnderson's "Literature/AWorldCalledMaanerek", the Hegemony wants to reunite all mankind. Even Sonna thinks it noble until she realizes they don't want to ally with her people but exterminate them so they won't interfere.
28th Jun '16 7:55:57 AM ZimFan89
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* In ''Fanfic/PonyPOV'' Princess [[spoiler:Gaia/Nightmare Whisper]] is an interesting example of this. She wants everyone to be happy (what with being [[spoiler:Fluttershy]]), and while she's not as extreme as many other examples of the trope, she does think that anyone who isn't happy must be FORCED to be happy, and that in order to achieve this goal, [[spoiler:[[BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood magically turning ponies into foals in both body and mind]] ]]is a-ok! In an even straighter example of this trope, her Knight [[spoiler:Cherilee]] actually attempts to KILL the Mane Six because they were distrupting [[spoiler:Gaia's LotusEaterMachine]].

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* In ''Fanfic/PonyPOV'' From the ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'', Princess [[spoiler:Gaia/Nightmare Whisper]] is an interesting example of this. She wants everyone to be happy (what with being [[spoiler:Fluttershy]]), and while she's not as extreme as many other examples of the trope, she does think that anyone who isn't happy must be FORCED to be happy, and that in order to achieve this goal, [[spoiler:[[BrainwashingForTheGreaterGood magically turning ponies into foals in both body and mind]] ]]is a-ok! In an even straighter example of this trope, her Knight [[spoiler:Cherilee]] actually attempts to KILL the Mane Six because they were distrupting [[spoiler:Gaia's LotusEaterMachine]].


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* ''Series/TwelveMonkeys'' eventually reveals that unleashing ThePlague on the world was just a stepping stone in the Army of the Twelve Monkeys' overall EvilPlan. It was simply to ensure that time travel would be created to try and counter it, which the Messengers -- the Army's SuperSoldiers -- could then hijack it to go back and [[spoiler: kill the Primaries (humans who act as {{Cosmic Keystone}}s maintaining time itself) with paradoxes]] in order to create a TimeCrash. All because their leader, [[BigBad the Witness]], has convinced them that a world without time would be a paradise, as it would also be a world without death.
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