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7th Apr '18 3:33:34 PM gb00393
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* Heroic example on ''Series/GameOfThrones''. When [[HeroicBastard Jon Snow]] asks [[DragonRider Daenerys]] about the people she burned with her dragon during the battle she just returned from, she asks how many people Jon killed in order to take Winterfell back from the Boltons (the answer, incidentally, is "Thousands"). Daenerys is fairly convinced that in order to "[[ArcWords break the wheel]]," she needs to invoke JoinOrDie on the people of Westeros. {{Downplayed}}, [[TheGoodChancellor Tyrion]] and [[TheSpymaster Varys]] have no issue with the world she is trying to build (they stand to benefit greatly from her utopia), and for the most part they're able to restrain Daenerys' more KnightTemplar impulses. After [[spoiler:Viserion is killed by the White Walkers, she mostly drops this in favor of an EnemyMine with Jon and Cersei. Existential threats are a bit more pressing than building utopia, after all.]]

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Heroic example on ''Series/GameOfThrones''.example. When [[HeroicBastard Jon Snow]] asks [[DragonRider Daenerys]] about the people she burned with her dragon during the battle she just returned from, she asks how many people Jon killed in order to take Winterfell back from the Boltons (the answer, incidentally, is "Thousands"). Daenerys is fairly convinced that in order to "[[ArcWords break the wheel]]," she needs to invoke JoinOrDie on the people of Westeros. {{Downplayed}}, [[TheGoodChancellor Tyrion]] and [[TheSpymaster Varys]] have no issue with the world she is trying to build (they stand to benefit greatly from her utopia), and for the most part they're able to restrain Daenerys' more KnightTemplar impulses. After [[spoiler:Viserion is killed by the White Walkers, she mostly drops this in favor of an EnemyMine with Jon and Cersei. Existential threats are a bit more pressing than building utopia, after all.]]]]
** Whatever Varys does, is for the good of the realm. Whether that means supporting and funding the exiled lunatic Prince Viserys Targaryen, selling his sister Dany to the Dothraki, and arranging a Dothraki invasion into Westeros and even sending an assassin to kill Dany to trigger an international incident, it's all for the good of the realm, eventually.
6th Apr '18 6:47:55 AM erforce
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* In ''Film/SherlockHolmes,'' Blackwood's ultimate goal is to seize control of the British Empire and rule it through fear. [[spoiler:Lord Coward,]] one of the politicians who supports his coup, claims that Blackwood will be a strong shepherd for the weak masses.

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* In ''Film/SherlockHolmes,'' ''Film/SherlockHolmes2009,'' Blackwood's ultimate goal is to seize control of the British Empire and rule it through fear. [[spoiler:Lord Coward,]] one of the politicians who supports his coup, claims that Blackwood will be a strong shepherd for the weak masses.
4th Apr '18 8:56:28 AM ShinyManaphy
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** On a much smaller scale, the villains of ''VideoGame/Persona5'' are also both seeking their own idea of Utopia. [[spoiler:Masayoshi Shido has been using the Metaverse, manipulating politics and committing countless crimes in order to gain power in Japan, which he hopes to turn into a new golden superpower in the middle of its golden age. Yaldaboath, the God of Control, believes that mankind desires to be controlled and causes the events of the game in order to grant this desire, creating a peaceful world where everyone can be at peace with their role in society... at the cost of all true free will.]]
1st Apr '18 9:36:52 AM AndreaTx
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** Then there's ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', when we discover that [[spoiler: HYDRA is still operating and plans to estabilish peace and order by eliminating potential threats]].

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** Then there's ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier'', when we discover that [[spoiler: HYDRA is still operating and plans to estabilish peace and order by eliminating potential threats]]. This is pretty much Alexander Pierce's word for word explanation to the Winter Soldier as to why it was okay to destroy Bucky Barnes' life and use him to destabilize democracy around the globe for nearly a century.
25th Mar '18 7:57:27 AM Morgenthaler
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** In ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', Sith Lord Palpatine states that once he rules the galaxy, there will be peace. Ultimately averted with Palpatine however, he only uses the promise of peace and stability as a way to control people with an iron first. He really is just a sociopath who wants power. They don't call it the dark side for nothing.
** EU novel ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' expands that Palpatine had actually foreseen the Yuuzhan Vong, and his entire purpose for the powergrab and superweapon production was so that there'd be a united galaxy able to deal with them when they come.
*** However the Empire has spent those years in power on exploiting planets and enslaving the billions to build its war machines, and has actively caused the total extinction of several alien races. If the Empire had remained in power when the Vong arrived, the galaxy would have been half empty of other races, while the Vong only pushed them to near extinction.

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** In ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', Sith Lord Palpatine states that once he rules the galaxy, there will be peace. Ultimately averted subverted with Palpatine however, he only uses the promise of peace and stability as a way to control people with an iron first. He really is just a sociopath who wants power. They don't call it the dark side for nothing.
** EU novel ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' expands that Palpatine had actually foreseen the Yuuzhan Vong, and his entire purpose for the powergrab and superweapon production was so that there'd be a united galaxy able to deal with them when they come.
*** However the Empire has spent those years in power on exploiting planets and enslaving the billions to build its war machines, and has actively caused the total extinction of several alien races. If the Empire had remained in power when the Vong arrived, the galaxy would have been half empty of other races, while the Vong only pushed them to near extinction.
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*** ''The Essential Guide to Warfare'' implies that most of the Imperial Navy's officers and personnel, with the notable exceptions of Grand Moff Tarkin and Admiral Motti (who were closer to DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans), fought under the genuine belief that they were trying to bring peace and order to the galaxy.


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** ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' expands that Palpatine had actually foreseen the Yuuzhan Vong, and his entire purpose for the powergrab and superweapon production was so that there'd be a united galaxy able to deal with them when they come. However, the Empire has spent those years in power on exploiting planets and enslaving the billions to build its war machines, and has actively caused the total extinction of several alien races. If the Empire had remained in power when the Vong arrived, the galaxy would have been half empty of other races, while the Vong only pushed them to near extinction.
** ''The Essential Guide to Warfare'' implies that most of the Imperial Navy's officers and personnel, with the notable exceptions of Grand Moff Tarkin and Admiral Motti (who were closer to DystopiaJustifiesTheMeans), fought under the genuine belief that they were trying to bring peace and order to the galaxy.
25th Mar '18 7:54:17 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', Sith Lord Palpatine states that once he rules the galaxy, there will be peace.
** Ultimately averted with Palpatine however, he only uses the promise of peace and stability as a way to control people with an iron first. He really is just a sociopath who wants power. They don't call it the dark side for nothing.

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In ''Franchise/StarWars: Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith'', Sith Lord Palpatine states that once he rules the galaxy, there will be peace.
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peace. Ultimately averted with Palpatine however, he only uses the promise of peace and stability as a way to control people with an iron first. He really is just a sociopath who wants power. They don't call it the dark side for nothing.
17th Mar '18 1:44:39 PM Lanes17B
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* In ''Film/ManOfSteel'', General Zod believes that by [[HostileTerraforming increasing Earth's gravitational pull, filling the atmosphere with toxic particulates,]] [[TheFinalSolution and thus killing off humanity,]] as well as [[ApocalypseHow all native life on earth,]] is the only way for Krypton to live again.


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* In ''Film/WonderWoman2017'', [[spoiler: Ares, God of War]] believes that humanity is too corrupt to inhabit earth, and thus by giving them an inspiration for a new weapon, or excuse for war, [[MoreThanMindControl humanity will willingly wage a destructive war that will result in them wiping each other out,]] and paving the way for [[spoiler: the Greek gods to once again inhabit earth.]]
2nd Mar '18 3:33:39 PM AmuckCricetine
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* The Scientific Reform Society in the ''Series/DoctorWho'' story "Robot" [[spoiler:planned to trigger a worldwide nuclear holocaust unless the nations agreed to yield power to them.]]

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The Scientific Reform Society in the ''Series/DoctorWho'' story "Robot" "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E1Robot Robot]]" [[spoiler:planned to trigger a worldwide nuclear holocaust unless the nations agreed to yield power to them.]]



** Most notable of all is Tobias Vaughn, the [[CorruptCorporateExecutive CEO of an electronics company]] who sought to ally with and manipulate the Cybermen into taking over the world for him, so he could then doublecross them and create a utopia where all ideological disputes cease and unity is attained. [[spoiler:Unfortunately for Vaughn, the Cybermen were one step ahead and doublecrossed him first, leading him to [[EnemyMine ally with the Doctor]] to take down the threat that he himself had led to the Earth in the first place.]]
** In ''Invasion of the Dinosaurs'', a group of {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s, believing that the environment could not be saved, [[spoiler:sent a shipload of volunteers on a FauxtasticVoyage to "another world", to disembark after time had been reversed back to the Mesozoic and the rest of humanity (as well as all the Silurians) written out of history.]]
** In ''Tomb of the Cybermen'', Klieg and the rest of the Brotherhood of Logicians intended to take over the world with the aid of the Cybermen. Bit of a logical fallacy there ...

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** Most notable of all is [[Recap/DoctorWhoS6E3TheInvasion Tobias Vaughn, Vaughn]], the [[CorruptCorporateExecutive CEO of an electronics company]] who sought to ally with and manipulate the Cybermen into taking over the world for him, so he could then doublecross them and create a utopia where all ideological disputes cease and unity is attained. [[spoiler:Unfortunately for Vaughn, the Cybermen were one step ahead and doublecrossed him first, leading him to [[EnemyMine ally with the Doctor]] to take down the threat that he himself had led to the Earth in the first place.]]
** In ''Invasion "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS11E2InvasionOfTheDinosaurs Invasion of the Dinosaurs'', Dinosaurs]]", a group of {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s, believing that the environment could not be saved, [[spoiler:sent a shipload of volunteers on a FauxtasticVoyage to "another world", to disembark after time had been reversed back to the Mesozoic and the rest of humanity (as well as all the Silurians) written out of history.]]
** In ''Tomb "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS5E1TheTombOfTheCybermen The Tomb of the Cybermen'', Cybermen]]!, Klieg and the rest of the Brotherhood of Logicians intended to take over the world with the aid of the Cybermen. Bit of a logical fallacy there ...



** In "The Savages" the Elders drain the LifeEnergy of the Savages who live outside their city to improve themselves.

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** In "The Savages" "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS3E9TheSavages The Savages]]" the Elders drain the LifeEnergy of the Savages who live outside their city to improve themselves.
25th Feb '18 3:24:39 PM nombretomado
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* In ScottWesterfeld's ''Literature/{{Uglies}}'' series, everyone is beautiful and happy. There's no war and NoPoverty. [[spoiler:The surgery that makes everyone pretty also gives them brain lesions eliminating anger and sadness, but also creativity and independence.]]

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* In ScottWesterfeld's Creator/ScottWesterfeld's ''Literature/{{Uglies}}'' series, everyone is beautiful and happy. There's no war and NoPoverty. [[spoiler:The surgery that makes everyone pretty also gives them brain lesions eliminating anger and sadness, but also creativity and independence.]]
25th Feb '18 3:16:37 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Literature/ChristianNation'', it's the motivation behind the eventual creation of the American theocracy by the SarahPalin and Steve Jordan administrations, to prepare the United States for the Lord's SecondComing.

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* In ''Literature/ChristianNation'', it's the motivation behind the eventual creation of the American theocracy by the SarahPalin UsefulNotes/SarahPalin and Steve Jordan administrations, to prepare the United States for the Lord's SecondComing.
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