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20th May '16 7:03:46 AM SolidSonicTH
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* In ''VisualNovel/ApolloJusticeAceAttorney'', Phoenix Wright has been out of the law business for the better part of a decade. When met with an opportunity not only to identify a murderer but [[spoiler:get back at the person who drummed him out of the work in the first place]], he does so by [[spoiler:relying on the tactic (evidence forgery) that derailed his career in the first place]]. At least this time he did it for the right reason ([[spoiler:since the evidence necessary to convict the killer was taken by said killer at the scene]]), as opposed to being on the wrong end of it ([[spoiler:where the tainted evidence was used to sabotage his case instead of provide a falsified advantage]]). Still, it's certainly not something he'd ever have resorted to otherwise.
15th May '16 10:51:50 PM JayRomeo
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* ''VideoGame/Uncharted'': Samuel Drake of ''A Thief's End'' is a harsher, colder version of Nate. [[spoiler:When he puts a gun on Nadine Ross' head, he threatens to shoot her and Nate pulls him at the last moment setting the shot in the air, proving that he was indeed going to murder her. Then Rafe reveals that he's a manipulative liar, whose only redeeming virtue is that he genuinely does love Nate.]]

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* ''VideoGame/Uncharted'': ''VideoGame/{{Uncharted}}'': Samuel Drake of ''A Thief's End'' is a harsher, colder version of Nate.his younger brother Nathan. [[spoiler:When he puts a gun on Nadine Ross' head, he threatens to shoot her and Nate pulls him at the last moment setting the shot in the air, proving that he was indeed going to murder her. Then Rafe reveals that he's a manipulative liar, whose only redeeming virtue is that he genuinely does love Nate.]]
15th May '16 10:46:22 PM JayRomeo
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* ''VideoGame/Uncharted'': Samuel Drake of ''A Thief's End'' is a harsher, colder version of Nate. [[spoiler:When he puts a gun on Nadine Ross' head, he threatens to shoot her and Nate pulls him at the last moment setting the shot in the air, proving that he was indeed going to murder her. Then Rafe reveals that he's a manipulative liar, whose only redeeming virtue is that he genuinely does love Nate.]]
12th May '16 5:54:06 AM GM_3826
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* Though far nicer than most examples here, [[ActionGirl Yang Xiao Long]] of ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' will admit herself that her whole motive for being a Huntress is to travel the world and get wrapped in as many crazy adventures as she can. Helping people along the way is just a bonus, [[BloodKnight as is the chance to fight some of them]]. Of the four heroines, she's the most temperamental and the one most likely to employ violence and [[CombatPragmatist dirty fighting]]. [[spoiler:In Volume 3, [[HeroWithBadPublicity this eventually comes around to bite her hard]].]]
25th Apr '16 5:27:18 PM thatmadork
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* Though far nicer than most examples here, [[ActionGirl Yang Xiao Long]] of ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' will admit herself that her whole motive for being a Huntress is to travel the world and get wrapped in as many crazy adventures as she can. Helping people along the way is just a bonus, [[BloodKnight as is the chance to fight some of them]]. Of the four heroines, she's the most temperamental and the one most likely to employ violence and [[CombatPragmatist dirty fighting]]. [[spoiler:In Volume 3, [[HeroWithBadPublicity this eventually comes around to bite her hard]].]]
19th Mar '16 1:26:17 PM thatother1dude
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* If the show wasn't Batman in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', AntiVillain Mr. Freeze could have been this if not a ByronicHero or NominalHero, since the CorruptCorporateExecutive he was opposing was [[BlackAndGrayMorality far worse than he ever was]].
23rd Feb '16 7:05:23 AM Sapphirea2
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* ''Series/DoctorWho'': Can you believe that Doctor started like this? Yes. He's devoted to his grandaughter Susan and is disgusted by villains like the Daleks but aside from that his morals are loose at best, with his flaws ranging from pride and paranoia to outright moral cowardice in trying to abandon Barbara to die on Skaro rather than risk further exposure to radiation, as well as Ian and Barbara becoming his companions only after he trapped them within the Tardis against their will. But by the conclusion of the first three stories he gets over this.

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* ''Series/DoctorWho'': Can you believe that Doctor started like this? Yes. He's devoted to his grandaughter Susan and is disgusted by villains like the Daleks but aside from that his morals are loose at best, with his flaws ranging from pride and paranoia to outright moral cowardice in trying to abandon Barbara to die on Skaro rather than risk further exposure to radiation, as well as Ian and Barbara becoming his companions only after he trapped them within the Tardis against their will. But by the conclusion of the first three stories he gets over this.this and becomes a PragmaticHero.
21st Feb '16 5:18:06 PM JRads47
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* Kenshiro from the ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'' manga. Many people write him off as a compassionate messiah, but some seem to forget that he puts his own goals ahead of others and would only show concern towards friends and family (there are a few exceptions, but still...). The rest of the time he's TheStoic. Now he does have a strong sense of justice but he's definitely not a saint. And let's not get into how [[PayEvilUntoEvil violent he is with the bad guys...]]
** The manga version counts, but the anime version is a little less heroic even, since he's shown walking nonchalantly where atrocities are occurring whereas the former would run or at least arrive in time.
21st Jan '16 10:20:43 PM Pastykake
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Not all fictional heroes are the sort of person you might expect to be a hero of a story. The idea that there is an "IdealHero" and there are "{{antihero}}es" who deviate from the ideal has been around [[OlderThanFeudalism since classical antiquity if not earlier]]. Since then, writers have explored many types of {{antihero}}es, each of which lack one or more traits of an IdealHero.

An Unscrupulous Hero is an {{antihero}} who is a step further down the slippery slope from the KnightInSourArmor and PragmaticHero; while the former lacks the '''positive outlook''' and the latter the '''moral cleanliness''' of the IdealHero, this archetype combines and amplifies both, especially the lack of moral character part, while remaining ALighterShadeOfGrey than the antagonists.

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Not all fictional heroes are the sort of person you might expect to be a hero of a story. The idea that there is an "IdealHero" and there are "{{antihero}}es" "[[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]]" who deviate from the ideal has been around [[OlderThanFeudalism since classical antiquity if not earlier]]. Since then, writers have explored many types of {{antihero}}es, each of which lack one or more traits of an IdealHero.

An Unscrupulous Hero is an {{antihero}} Anti-Hero who is a step further down the slippery slope from the KnightInSourArmor and PragmaticHero; while where the former lacks the '''positive outlook''' and the latter the '''moral cleanliness''' of the IdealHero, Ideal Hero, this archetype combines and amplifies both, especially the lack of moral character part, while remaining ALighterShadeOfGrey than the antagonists.



In terms of sympathy, personality, etc., these characters can vary widely. For some, their admirable motivation may be their only good trait; others may be highly sympathetic, having all the characteristics of a compelling AntiHero combined with the fact that they are willing to sacrifice for a good cause.

A heroic character on this part of the scale runs the risk of kicking one too many puppies and end up a FallenHero if they can't get over their demons. Often found in conjunction with TragicHero and ByronicHero.

Compare with KnightTemplar and WellIntentionedExtremist. Compare and contrast with {{Nominal|Hero}} and {{Sociopathic Hero}}es (both of whom are more...well...[[CaptainObvious sociopathic]]). And also compare and contrast with the TautologicalTemplar and VisionaryVillain for villains who just ''think'' they're the good guys.

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In terms of sympathy, personality, etc., these characters can vary widely. For some, their admirable motivation may be their only good trait; others may be highly sympathetic, having all the characteristics of a compelling AntiHero Anti-Hero combined with the fact that they are willing to sacrifice for a good cause.

A heroic character on this part of the scale runs the risk of kicking one too many puppies and end ending up a FallenHero if they he can't get over their his demons. Often found in conjunction with TragicHero and ByronicHero.

Compare with KnightTemplar and WellIntentionedExtremist. Compare and contrast with {{Nominal|Hero}} and {{Sociopathic Hero}}es (both of whom are more...well...[[CaptainObvious sociopathic]]). And also Also compare and contrast with the TautologicalTemplar and VisionaryVillain for villains who just ''think'' they're the good guys.
14th Dec '15 4:49:09 AM Iwishtologin
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* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'': Harry Dresden, despite being one of the best examples of ChronicHeroSyndrome you'll ever encounter, is not at all unwilling to get his hands dirty, and though he may have a MyGodWhatHaveIDone afterwards, it doesn't stop him doing it again. This comes to a head in ''Changes'' when [[spoiler: he agrees to become the Winter Knight in order to save his daughter, despite knowing that he would then be totally at the command of a manipulative and utterly ruthless [[TheFairFolk Faerie Queen]] who could then make him do anything.]]
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