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21st Jun '17 6:20:40 PM Peridonyx
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*** [[spoiler: Obito]] orchestrated the Nine-Tails attack on Konoha, which killed Naruto's parents and made him an orphan, turned the Mist Village into a brutal dictatorship that resulted in hundreds of deaths, many of them children who were forced to fight each other to the death as part of their schooling, and started the Fourth Shinobi World War, resulting in thousands of more deaths. His only real motivation for any of this being because his love interest Rin died. Despite all of that, he's meant to be a sympathetic character who is deserving of Naruto's kindness because he was similar to Naruto as a child and simply strayed down the wrong path, and his death is meant to be seen as an AlasPoorVillain moment, [[DeathEqualsRedemption reuniting with Rin in the afterlife]] and [[KarmaHoudini presumably spending eternity happy with her despite all of his crimes]].

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*** [[spoiler: Obito]] orchestrated the Nine-Tails attack on Konoha, which killed Naruto's parents and made him an orphan, turned the Mist Village into a brutal dictatorship that resulted in hundreds of deaths, many of them children who were forced to fight each other to the death as part of their schooling, and started the Fourth Shinobi World War, resulting in thousands of more deaths. His only real motivation for any of this being because his love interest Rin died. Despite all of that, he's meant to be a sympathetic character who is deserving of Naruto's kindness because he was similar to Naruto as a child and simply strayed down the wrong path, and his death is meant to be seen as an AlasPoorVillain moment, [[DeathEqualsRedemption reuniting with Rin in the afterlife]] and [[KarmaHoudini presumably spending eternity happy with her despite all of his crimes]].crimes.



** Pain/[[spoiler:Nagato]], for many readers it was impossible to sympathize with someone who killed [[BadassTeacher Jiraiya and Kakashi]], leveled Konoha, and then stabbed [[LivingEmotionalCrutch Hinata]] right after [[AnguishedDeclarationOfLove she sincerely confessed her love to Naruto]], mostly because his BelatedBackstory wasn't any worse than other characters', like Haku's or Gaara's who didn't do anything ''that'' bad.

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** Pain/[[spoiler:Nagato]], for many readers it was impossible to sympathize with someone who killed [[BadassTeacher Jiraiya and Kakashi]], leveled Konoha, and then stabbed [[LivingEmotionalCrutch Hinata]] right after [[AnguishedDeclarationOfLove she sincerely confessed her love to Naruto]], mostly because his BelatedBackstory wasn't any worse than other characters', like Haku's or Gaara's who didn't do anything ''that'' bad. [[spoiler:Granted, at least he got somewhat better after his RedemptionEqualsDeath to bring said Konohans BackFromTheDead.]]
21st Jun '17 9:00:27 AM mouschilight
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** Pain/[[spoiler:Nagato]], for many readers it was impossible to sympathize with someone who killed [[BadassTeacher Jiraiya and Kakashi]], leveled Konoha, and then stabbed [[LivingEmotionalCrutch Hinata]] right after [[AnguishedDeclarationOfLove she confessed her love to Naruto]], mostly because his BelatedBackstory wasn't any worse than other characters', like Haku's or Gaara's who didn't do anything ''that'' bad.

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** Pain/[[spoiler:Nagato]], for many readers it was impossible to sympathize with someone who killed [[BadassTeacher Jiraiya and Kakashi]], leveled Konoha, and then stabbed [[LivingEmotionalCrutch Hinata]] right after [[AnguishedDeclarationOfLove she sincerely confessed her love to Naruto]], mostly because his BelatedBackstory wasn't any worse than other characters', like Haku's or Gaara's who didn't do anything ''that'' bad.
21st Jun '17 8:59:47 AM mouschilight
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** Pain/[[spoiler:Nagato]], for many readers it was impossible to sympathize with someone who [[spoiler: killed [[BadassTeacher Jiraiya and Kakashi]], leveled Konoha, and then stabbed [[LivingEmotionalCrutch Hinata]] right after [[AnguishedDeclarationOfLove she confessed her love to Naruto]]]], mostly because his BelatedBackstory wasn't any worse than other characters', like Haku's or Gaara's who didn't do anything ''that'' bad.

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** Pain/[[spoiler:Nagato]], for many readers it was impossible to sympathize with someone who [[spoiler: killed [[BadassTeacher Jiraiya and Kakashi]], leveled Konoha, and then stabbed [[LivingEmotionalCrutch Hinata]] right after [[AnguishedDeclarationOfLove she confessed her love to Naruto]]]], Naruto]], mostly because his BelatedBackstory wasn't any worse than other characters', like Haku's or Gaara's who didn't do anything ''that'' bad.
19th Jun '17 9:22:08 PM KOman
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** Minerva, whose behavior is revealed to be the result of her father abusing her. Unfortunately, this comes after a long list of KickTheDog moments in the previous story arcs, such as taking Erza and Kagura's mutual friend Millianna hostage to force them to fight each other and torturing Millianna while they do so, which the excuse does not justify or explain.

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** Minerva, whose behavior is revealed to be the result of her father abusing her. Unfortunately, this comes after a long list of KickTheDog moments in the previous story arcs, such as taking Erza and Kagura's mutual friend Millianna hostage to force them to fight each other and torturing Millianna while they do so, which the excuse does not justify or explain. Her guildmates, who were also subjected to Jiemma's SocialDarwinist views, never went out of their way to sadistically torment their opponents like Minerva did. Even Jiemma himself wasn't a sadist, merely not caring about the suffering of others rather than reveling in it.
19th Jun '17 7:51:58 PM thevideogameempire
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** Fujitora is clearly meant as a complex old blind man who sees right through (with all the blind/sigh metaphor) the corrupt Marines and World Governement and wishes to reform it completely with his plan. However his completely passive attitude during the Dressrosa arc, doing nothing while citizens are slaughtered by the arc villain pirate and at some point crashing a meteorite that wiped out many inhabitations caused some readers to completely despise him.

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** Fujitora is clearly meant as a complex old blind man who sees right through (with all the blind/sigh blind/sight metaphor) the corrupt Marines and World Governement and wishes to reform it completely with his plan. However his completely passive attitude during the Dressrosa arc, doing nothing while citizens are slaughtered by the arc villain pirate and at some point crashing a meteorite that wiped out many inhabitations caused some readers to completely despise him.
17th Jun '17 3:46:05 PM Peridonyx
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** [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez]] in "Turnabout Samurai." We're supposed to feel sorry for her because it was only a CrimeOfSelfDefense and she'd lost her heavily implied LoveInterest to the victim. However, [[spoiler:Jack Hammer only tried to kill her because she'd been ruining his life via {{Blackmail}} for years, said Interest's death was heavily-implicitly only an accident, and she's still a ruthless MafiaPrincess known to [[HeKnowsTooMuch "silence"]] innocent people [[note]]Almost including [[TheHero Phoenix Wright]] and [[TheLancer Maya Fey]] themselves (at least before [[InspectorLestrade Dick Gumshoe]]'s BigDamnHeroes]]), no less![[/note]]]]. By contrast, the intended AssholeVictim even comes across as UnintentionallySympathetic [[note]]Sure, Hammer was a {{Jerkass}} for trying to frame his innocent co-star in the process; but given his above-mentioned history and motives compared to Vasquez's, one can't help but wish he'd actually succeeded in what would've essentially been a [[VigilanteExecution public service]].[[/note]] to quite a few players, as a result.

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** [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez]] in "Turnabout Samurai." We're supposed to feel sorry for her because it was only a CrimeOfSelfDefense and she'd lost her heavily implied LoveInterest to the victim. However, [[spoiler:Jack Hammer only tried to kill her because she'd been ruining his life via {{Blackmail}} for years, said Interest's death was heavily-implicitly only an accident, and she's still a ruthless MafiaPrincess known to [[HeKnowsTooMuch "silence"]] innocent people [[note]]Almost including [[TheHero Phoenix Wright]] and [[TheLancer Maya Fey]] themselves (at least before [[InspectorLestrade Dick Gumshoe]]'s BigDamnHeroes]]), BigDamnHeroes), no less![[/note]]]]. By contrast, the intended AssholeVictim even comes across as UnintentionallySympathetic [[note]]Sure, Hammer was a {{Jerkass}} for trying to frame his innocent co-star in the process; but given his above-mentioned history and motives compared to Vasquez's, one can't help but wish he'd actually succeeded in what would've essentially been a [[VigilanteExecution public service]].[[/note]] to quite a few players, as a result.
17th Jun '17 3:45:18 PM Peridonyx
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** [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez]] in "Turnabout Samurai." We're supposed to feel sorry for her because it was only a CrimeOfSelfDefense and she'd lost her heavily implied LoveInterest to the victim. However, [[spoiler:Jack Hammer only tried to kill her because she'd been ruining his life via {{Blackmail}} for years, said Interest's death was heavily-implicitly only an accident, and she's still a ruthless MafiaPrincess known to [[HeKnowsTooMuch "silence"]] innocent people (almost including [[TheHero Phoenix Wright]] and [[TheLancer Maya Fey]] themselves -- at least before [[InspectorLestrade Dick Gumshoe]]'s BigDamnHeroes]] -- no less). By contrast, the AssholeVictim even comes across as UnintentionallySympathetic [[note]]Sure, Hammer was a {{Jerkass}} for trying to frame his innocent co-star in the process; but given his above-mentioned history and motives compared to Vasquez's, one can't help but wish he'd actually succeeded in what would've essentially been a [[VigilanteExecution public service]].[[/note]] to quite a few players, as a result.

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** [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez]] in "Turnabout Samurai." We're supposed to feel sorry for her because it was only a CrimeOfSelfDefense and she'd lost her heavily implied LoveInterest to the victim. However, [[spoiler:Jack Hammer only tried to kill her because she'd been ruining his life via {{Blackmail}} for years, said Interest's death was heavily-implicitly only an accident, and she's still a ruthless MafiaPrincess known to [[HeKnowsTooMuch "silence"]] innocent people (almost [[note]]Almost including [[TheHero Phoenix Wright]] and [[TheLancer Maya Fey]] themselves -- at (at least before [[InspectorLestrade Dick Gumshoe]]'s BigDamnHeroes]] -- BigDamnHeroes]]), no less). less![[/note]]]]. By contrast, the intended AssholeVictim even comes across as UnintentionallySympathetic [[note]]Sure, Hammer was a {{Jerkass}} for trying to frame his innocent co-star in the process; but given his above-mentioned history and motives compared to Vasquez's, one can't help but wish he'd actually succeeded in what would've essentially been a [[VigilanteExecution public service]].[[/note]] to quite a few players, as a result.
17th Jun '17 3:42:10 PM Peridonyx
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** [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez]] in "Turnabout Samurai." We're supposed to feel sorry for her because it was only a CrimeOfSelfDefense and she'd lost her heavily implied LoveInterest to the victim. However, [[spoiler:Jack Hammer only tried to kill her because she'd been ruining his life via {{Blackmail}} for years, said Interest's death was heavily-implicitly only an accident, and she's still a ruthless MafiaPrincess known to [[HeKnowsTooMuch "silence"]] innocent people (almost including [[spoiler:[[TheHero Phoenix Wright]] and [[TheLancer Maya Fey]] themselves -- at least before [[InspectorLestrade Gumshoe]]'s BigDamnHeroes]] -- no less). By contrast, the AssholeVictim even comes across as UnintentionallySympathetic [[note]]Sure, Hammer was a {{Jerkass}} for trying to frame his innocent co-star in the process; but given his above-mentioned history and motives compared to Vasquez's, one can't help but wish he'd actually succeeded in what would've essentially been a [[VigilanteExecution public service]].[[/note]] to quite a few players, as a result.

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** [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez]] in "Turnabout Samurai." We're supposed to feel sorry for her because it was only a CrimeOfSelfDefense and she'd lost her heavily implied LoveInterest to the victim. However, [[spoiler:Jack Hammer only tried to kill her because she'd been ruining his life via {{Blackmail}} for years, said Interest's death was heavily-implicitly only an accident, and she's still a ruthless MafiaPrincess known to [[HeKnowsTooMuch "silence"]] innocent people (almost including [[spoiler:[[TheHero [[TheHero Phoenix Wright]] and [[TheLancer Maya Fey]] themselves -- at least before [[InspectorLestrade Dick Gumshoe]]'s BigDamnHeroes]] -- no less). By contrast, the AssholeVictim even comes across as UnintentionallySympathetic [[note]]Sure, Hammer was a {{Jerkass}} for trying to frame his innocent co-star in the process; but given his above-mentioned history and motives compared to Vasquez's, one can't help but wish he'd actually succeeded in what would've essentially been a [[VigilanteExecution public service]].[[/note]] to quite a few players, as a result.
17th Jun '17 3:40:21 PM Peridonyx
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** [[spoiler:Dee Vasquez]] in "Turnabout Samurai." We're supposed to feel sorry for her because it was only a CrimeOfSelfDefense and she'd lost her heavily implied LoveInterest to the victim. However, [[spoiler:Jack Hammer only tried to kill her because she'd been ruining his life via {{Blackmail}} for years, said Interest's death was heavily-implicitly only an accident, and she's still a ruthless MafiaPrincess known to [[HeKnowsTooMuch "silence"]] innocent people (almost including [[spoiler:[[TheHero Phoenix Wright]] and [[TheLancer Maya Fey]] themselves -- at least before [[InspectorLestrade Gumshoe]]'s BigDamnHeroes]] -- no less). By contrast, the AssholeVictim even comes across as UnintentionallySympathetic [[note]]Sure, Hammer was a {{Jerkass}} for trying to frame his innocent co-star in the process; but given his above-mentioned history and motives compared to Vasquez's, one can't help but wish he'd actually succeeded in what would've essentially been a [[VigilanteExecution public service]].[[/note]] to quite a few players, as a result.
16th Jun '17 10:15:47 PM KOman
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** Sanji falls under this. He's a great fighter, a great cook, and a suave guy. So what's the problem? Being a womanizer and falling head-over-heels over every pretty girl he sees tends to get him in trouble. Because he [[WouldntHitAGirl won't hit a female opponent, even if his life literally depends on it, which it often does]], he ends up getting himself and/or his friends badly wounded and/or captured. The fact that he [[AesopAmnesia never learns his lesson after getting his ass handed to him by said girl]] doesn't help.

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** Sanji falls under this. He's a great fighter, a great cook, and a suave guy. So what's the problem? Being a womanizer and falling head-over-heels over every pretty girl he sees tends to get him in trouble. Because he [[WouldntHitAGirl won't hit a female opponent, even if his life literally depends on it, which it often does]], he ends up getting himself and/or his friends badly wounded and/or captured. The fact that he [[AesopAmnesia never learns his lesson after getting his ass handed to him by said girl]] doesn't help. A particularly bad example is [[spoiler:Pudding below]], who drove him to tears and is eager to kill him, yet he ''still'' can't get his head out of his dick, only surviving because [[spoiler:he happens to appeal to the FreudianExcuse mentioned below, which came off as a cop-out to prevent Sanji from learning his lesson.]]
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