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18th Jan '18 1:37:16 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* In ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'', we're supposed to feel bad for Count Bleck because [[spoiler: he fell in love with a human woman, Timpani, and when his father found out about it he banished Timpani and turned her into an amnesica Pixl called Tippi and lied to Bleck that she died]], so a heartbroken Bleck uses the Dark Prognostics to cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Thing is, it's still ''really selfish'' of him and even though he expresses regret at setting off the chain of motion into action, he really doesn't try all that hard to stop it and is EasilyForgiven by both Mario and his party and his former minions after the real BigBad is defeated.

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* In ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'', we're supposed to feel bad for Count Bleck because [[spoiler: he fell in love with a human woman, Timpani, and when his father found out about it he banished Timpani and turned her into an amnesica Pixl called Tippi and lied to Bleck that she died]], so a heartbroken Bleck uses the Dark Prognostics to cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Thing is, it's still ''really selfish'' of him and even though he expresses regret at setting off the chain of motion into action, action. While he really doesn't try all pulls a DeathEqualsRedemption, he would have been killed otherwise, and before that hard to stop it and is he's EasilyForgiven by both Mario and his party and his former minions after the real BigBad is defeated.everyone once TheStarscream makes their move.
18th Jan '18 1:23:30 PM TheLuckyCat
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* In ''Film/PitchPerfect'', we're meant to feel sorry for Jesse when Becca yells at him for constantly butting into her business and tells him to leave her alone, but Jesse has been nothing more than an annoying DoggedNiceGuy for the entire movie, criticising Becca's taste in clothes (telling her she'd be beautiful if ''only'' she took our her ear spike), constantly badgering her when she makes it clear she's not interested in him and whining when she doesn't share his hobby of watching movies.



*** Molly can be this for the fans that find her [[MyBelovedSmother shrill, demanding and annoying]]. The implication that she wanted a daughter so badly that she kept popping out kids until she got one (leaving Ron feeling like TheUnfavorite) also hasn't helped her case.

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*** Molly can be this for the fans that find her [[MyBelovedSmother shrill, demanding and annoying]]. The implication that she wanted a daughter so badly that she kept popping out kids until she got one (leaving Ron feeling like TheUnfavorite) also hasn't helped her case. Then there's her [[SlutShaming treatment of Hermione]] in the fourth book when she buys into the lies Rita Skeeter is publishing about her.
*** Ginny also comes off this way due to her personality completely changing from the second book to the sixth and Harry's extremely sudden, poorly-written feelings for her. In the fifth book Harry is worried because he can see what Voldemort is doing and lashes out at his friends. Ginny basically tells him to shut up because ''she'' was possessed by Tom Riddle in the second book and isn't complaining about it, but Ginny herself admits that she doesn't remember what she was doing during those periods. Combined with her bossy, aggressive nature and the fact she's never shown to be in the wrong leads her to coming off very insufferable and bratty.



* In ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'', we're supposed to feel bad for Count Bleck because [[spoiler: he fell in love with a human woman, Timpani, and when his father found out about it he banished Timpani and turned her into an amnesica Pixl called Tippi and lied to Bleck that she died]], so a heartbroken Bleck uses the Dark Prognostics to cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt. Thing is, it's still ''really selfish'' of him and even though he expresses regret at setting off the chain of motion into action, he really doesn't try all that hard to stop it and is EasilyForgiven by both Mario and his party and his former minions after the real BigBad is defeated.



** Sayaka Maizono, the super duper high school Idol, can come across as this. She reveals that she became an idol, because they fascinated her as a child and were loved by everyone, which she desperately wanted to have, having been left alone a lot as a child by her workaholic father and is terrified of losing her status as an idol and the friends she has made with it. Then it turns out that she [[spoiler: began to form a plan to commit a murder and having Naegi set up to take the fall, so Sayaka can leave the school. This included manipulating him and his obvious crush on her, getting the two to swap rooms for the night and her plan to backfire horribly and resulting in ''her'' death, rather than Leon's]]. After those revelations, Kirigiri tries to calm Naegi (and the player) down by saying that Sayaka wasn't as bad as this may have made her look, but the damage has been done in the player's eyes and Sayaka lost any sympathy, no matter what her FreudianExcuse of a sad past had attempted to build up.

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** [[BitchInSheepsClothing Sayaka Maizono, Maizono]], the super duper high school Idol, can come across as this. She reveals that she became an idol, because they fascinated her as a child and were loved by everyone, which she desperately wanted to have, having been left alone a lot as a child by her workaholic father and is terrified of losing her status as an idol and the friends she has made with it. Then it turns out that she [[spoiler: began to form a plan to commit a murder and having Naegi set up to take the fall, so Sayaka can leave the school. This included manipulating him and his obvious crush on her, getting the two to swap rooms for the night and her plan to backfire horribly and resulting in ''her'' death, rather than Leon's]].Leon's (and Leon gets a horrific CruelAndUnusualDeath when he's outed as the culprit)]]. After those revelations, Kirigiri tries to calm Naegi (and the player) down by saying that Sayaka wasn't as bad as this may have made her look, but the damage has been done in the player's eyes and Sayaka lost any sympathy, no matter what her FreudianExcuse of a sad past had attempted to build up.



** Also, in [[VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3 the third game]], [[spoiler:Maki]] can come across as this in the fifth trial. [[spoiler:While Maki believes that Kokichi is the mastermind due to how he confessed to being it, and he is far from a saint, a lot of fans felt that wanting to have everybody get executed while she was thought she was the blackened for that trial all for the sake to have Kokichi be killed is going a bit too far.]]

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** Also, in [[VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3 the third game]], [[spoiler:Maki]] can come across as this in the fifth trial. [[spoiler:While Maki believes that Kokichi is the mastermind due to how he confessed to being it, and he is far from a saint, a lot of fans felt that wanting to have everybody get executed while she was thought she was the blackened for that trial all for the sake to have Kokichi be killed is going a bit too far. Especially jarring because, as he lampshades himself numerous times, ''Kokichi is a liar''. Maki made a pretty big leap to assume he was telling the truth, which, of course, he wasn't.]]
18th Jan '18 12:48:31 AM jormis29
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** British versions of the ads starred [[Creator/DavidMitchell Mitchell]] and [[Creator/RobertWebb Webb]] as PC and Mac respectively, in a way that was reminiscent of their ''Series/PeepShow characters'', Mark and Jeremy. In other words, PC is a basically [[{{Adorkable}} likable and honest, if rather geeky, guy]], while Mac is a selfish, irresponsible layabout.

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** British versions of the ads starred [[Creator/DavidMitchell [[Creator/DavidMitchellActor Mitchell]] and [[Creator/RobertWebb Webb]] as PC and Mac respectively, in a way that was reminiscent of their ''Series/PeepShow characters'', Mark and Jeremy. In other words, PC is a basically [[{{Adorkable}} likable and honest, if rather geeky, guy]], while Mac is a selfish, irresponsible layabout.
17th Jan '18 7:55:11 PM Psytrainer
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemWarriors'' has Rowan, one of the OriginalGeneration main Lords of the game and the younger sibling in his family. He and his older sister constantly bicker about who ''doesn't'' get to inherit the throne of their homeland, Aytolis; Rowan wants to be a knight and wander the land freely (a la [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Ephraim]]), while Lianna finds herself too weak and unsure of herself to rule. Support conversations reveal that despite Lianna being the older sibling and being widely supported by the people, [[HeirclubForMen male heirs are still preferred,]] making it more likely for Rowan to rule. Rowan reveals to [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Ryoma]] that he doesn't want to be king because his and Lianna's father was an [[IllBoy ill man]] who wound up dying rather young, and Rowan believes that becoming a king weakens a warrior and leaves them unable to protect those they love. Rowan is [[BaseBreakingCharacter divisive enough]], but this blatant disrespect towards the hardships that royalty goes through in ruling a kingdom won him over with absolutely no one.

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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemWarriors'' has Rowan, one of the OriginalGeneration main Lords of the game and the younger sibling in his family. He and his older sister constantly bicker about who ''doesn't'' get to inherit the throne of their homeland, Aytolis; Rowan wants to be a knight and wander the land freely (a la [[VideoGame/FireEmblemTheSacredStones Ephraim]]), while Lianna finds herself too weak and unsure of herself to rule. Support conversations reveal that despite Lianna being the older sibling and being widely supported by the people, [[HeirclubForMen male heirs are still can be preferred,]] making it more as likely for Rowan to rule. Rowan reveals to [[VideoGame/FireEmblemFates Ryoma]] Xander]] that he doesn't want to be king because his and Lianna's father was an [[IllBoy ill man]] who wound up dying rather young, and Rowan believes that becoming a king weakens a warrior and leaves them unable to protect those they love. Rowan is [[BaseBreakingCharacter divisive enough]], but this blatant disrespect towards the hardships that royalty goes through in ruling a kingdom won him over with absolutely no one.
11th Jan '18 5:54:16 AM HighCrate
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** It should be noted that Marinette is not blameless in this regard. She spent years refusing to open up to anyone about her problems, despite Tikki encouraging her to unmask herself if it would help and despite Alya, her parents and others being openly worried about her, and it seems that she ever went to any effort to find Chat Noir beyond sitting at their meeting place - if Ladybug had spoken to the Ladyblog about his disappearance, Adrien at least wouldn't have been able to fool himself about what she was crying about. Her excuse for this is that to unmask to anyone before Chat Noir would have felt like she was betraying him, but she continues to do this even after finding out he was Adrien (and had effectively betrayed her first), choosing to leave town rather than seek help from Alya or her parents. What's more, after her reconciliation with Adrien, she lies to them about the cause of her depression and why she walked out on Adrien, and there's little indication that she's planning to reveal to them despite the story having progressed two years since this scene.

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** It should be noted that Marinette is not blameless in this regard.also comes across unsympathetic. She spent years refusing to open up to anyone about her problems, despite Tikki encouraging her to unmask herself if it would help and despite Alya, her parents and others being openly worried about her, and it seems that she ever went to any effort to find Chat Noir beyond sitting at their meeting place - if Ladybug had spoken to the Ladyblog about his disappearance, Adrien at least wouldn't have been able to fool himself about what she was crying about. Her excuse for this is that to unmask to anyone before Chat Noir would have felt like she was betraying him, but she continues to do this even after finding out he was Adrien (and had effectively betrayed her first), choosing to leave town rather than seek help from Alya or her parents. What's more, after her reconciliation with Adrien, she lies to them about the cause of her depression and why she walked out on Adrien, and there's little indication that she's planning to reveal to them despite the story having progressed two years since this scene.
11th Jan '18 4:30:38 AM ClatoLawa
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** It should be noted that Marinette is not blameless in this regard. She spent years refusing to open up to anyone about her problems, despite Tikki encouraging her to unmask herself if it would help and despite Alya, her parents and others being openly worried about her, and it seems that she ever went to any effort to find Chat Noir beyond sitting at their meeting place - if Ladybug had spoken to the Ladyblog about his disappearance, Adrien at least wouldn't have been able to fool himself about what she was crying about. Her excuse for this is that to unmask to anyone before Chat Noir would have felt like she was betraying him, but she continues to do this even after finding out he was Adrien (and had effectively betrayed her first), choosing to leave town rather than seek help from Alya or her parents. What's more, after her reconciliation with Adrien, she lies to them about the cause of her depression and why she walked out on Adrien, and there's little indication that she's planning to reveal to them despite the story having progressed two years since this scene.
9th Jan '18 7:30:54 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** In the interest of fairness, it should be noted that Marinette is not blameless in this regard. She spent years refusing to open up to anyone about her problems, despite Tikki encouraging her to unmask herself if it would help and despite Alya, her parents and others being openly worried about her, and it seems that she ever went to any effort to find Chat Noir beyond sitting at their meeting place - if Ladybug had spoken to the Ladyblog about his disappearance, Adrien at least wouldn't have been able to fool himself about what she was crying about. Her excuse for this is that to unmask to anyone before Chat Noir would have felt like she was betraying him, but she continues to do this even after finding out he was Adrien (and had effectively betrayed her first), choosing to leave town rather than seek help from Alya or her parents. What's more, after her reconciliation with Adrien, she lies to them about the cause of her depression and why she walked out on Adrien, and there's little indication that she's planning to reveal to them despite the story having progressed two years since this scene.
9th Jan '18 7:27:12 PM ClatoLawa
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** First of all, regardless of Adrien's actions toward Ladybug, his overall situation is frankly not as bad as it's made out to be. We're told more than once that he "lost everything that day" after his father was unmasked as Hawk Moth, but the fact is that he willingly sold the mansion and his stake in the business the first chance he got, he still has his school friends, none of whom have been shown to treat him differently for being the son of a supervillain, and he isn't shown to have any regrets about leaving behind modelling to pursue his interest in teaching, nor does he seem to deny that he has a lot more freedom now than he ever had when Gabriel was running his life. For comparison, other noteworthy fanfic portrayals of Adrien in a similar position have had Gabriel being killed in the final confrontation (''Fanfic/BackToUs'') or had Adrien's career explicitly suffering because of his father's reputation and forcing him to leave Paris (''Fanfic/RuinedWithYou''). It ''is'' eventually revealed that he's been suffering nightmares of the final battle, but that only excuses so much.
** While this isn't the first "post-victory separation and reunion" fic to involve Adrien consciously choosing to leave Ladybug behind without revealing his identity because of his father, it comes across as a lot more unforgivably callous here because, as Marinette points out, he always had the choice to come back to her. For comparison, ''Ruined With You''!Adrien made a snap-judgement to return his Miraculous to Master Fu without waiting for Ladybug, thus leaving her with no illusions about seeing her partner again, and he regretted it later but couldn't take it back so easily. ''Bring Me Home''!Adrien knows that Ladybug has been sitting on their rooftop meeting place every night for years, occasionally crying, but still isn't willing to return to her. And while he is of course called out on it after the reveal, it arguably becomes a case of EasilyForgiven due to subsequent events, thus pushing him further into this category.
** One of Adrien's stated excuses for not contacting her is that he honestly thought she was crying over some problem in her civilian life, because he didn't think that she'd miss Chat Noir this much if she only saw him as a friend. Even if that had still been correct, it doesn't make it any less callous that he wasn't willing to comfort her over whatever this civilian problem was, especially after he saw her crying for multiple years without getting better. It also raises troubling implications about how much Adrien values his other friends such as Nino.

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** First of all, regardless of Adrien's actions toward Ladybug, his overall situation is frankly not as bad as it's made out to be. We're told more than once that he "lost everything that day" after his father was unmasked as Hawk Moth, but the fact is that we see little evidence of him suffering socially or financially from this, since he willingly sold the mansion and his stake in the business the first chance he got, he still has none of his school friends, none of whom friends have been shown to treat him differently for being the son because of a supervillain, his father, and he isn't shown to have any regrets about leaving behind modelling to pursue his interest in teaching, nor does he seem to deny that he has a lot more freedom now than he ever had when Gabriel was running his life. For comparison, other noteworthy fanfic portrayals of Adrien in a similar position have had Gabriel being killed in the final confrontation and Adrien being taken in by {{resentful guardian}}s in another country (''Fanfic/BackToUs'') or had Adrien's career explicitly suffering because of his father's reputation and forcing him to leave Paris just to find designers willing to work with him (''Fanfic/RuinedWithYou''). It ''is'' eventually revealed that he's been suffering nightmares of the final battle, but that only excuses so much.
** While this isn't the first "post-victory separation and reunion" fic to involve Adrien consciously choosing to leave Ladybug behind without revealing his identity because of his father, it comes across as a lot more unforgivably callous here because, as Marinette points out, he always had the choice to come back to her. For comparison, ''Ruined With You''!Adrien made a snap-judgement to return his Miraculous to Master Fu without waiting for Ladybug, thus leaving her with no illusions about seeing her partner again, and he regretted it later but couldn't take it back so easily. ''Bring Me Home''!Adrien knows that Ladybug has been sitting on their rooftop meeting place every night for years, occasionally crying, but despite still having the ring locked in a safe in his bedroom, he still isn't willing to return to her. And while he is of course called out on it after the reveal, it arguably becomes a case of EasilyForgiven due to subsequent events, thus pushing him further into this category.
** One of Adrien's stated excuses for not contacting her is that he honestly thought she was crying over some problem in her civilian life, because he didn't think that she'd miss Chat Noir this much if she only saw him as a friend. Even if that any of this had still been correct, it doesn't make it any less callous that he wasn't willing to comfort her over whatever this civilian problem was, especially after he saw her crying for multiple years without getting better. It also raises troubling implications about how much Adrien values his other friends such as Nino.


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** In the interest of fairness, it should be noted that Marinette is not blameless in this regard. She spent years refusing to open up to anyone about her problems, despite Tikki encouraging her to unmask herself if it would help and despite Alya, her parents and others being openly worried about her, and it seems that she ever went to any effort to find Chat Noir beyond sitting at their meeting place - if Ladybug had spoken to the Ladyblog about his disappearance, Adrien at least wouldn't have been able to fool himself about what she was crying about. Her excuse for this is that to unmask to anyone before Chat Noir would have felt like she was betraying him, but she continues to do this even after finding out he was Adrien (and had effectively betrayed her first), choosing to leave town rather than seek help from Alya or her parents. What's more, after her reconciliation with Adrien, she lies to them about the cause of her depression and why she walked out on Adrien, and there's little indication that she's planning to reveal to them despite the story having progressed two years since this scene.
8th Jan '18 12:38:39 AM MetroidPeter
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** The entire Jedi Order gets this in the prequel trilogy. They're meant to be the BigGood organization, a group of [[ThePaladin Lawful Good magic knights]], but possessed of the FatalFlaw of being too bound up by centuries-old dogma to see something terrible is about to happen until it's [[TragicHero tragically]] too late to prevent it. Unfortunately, [[ChildSoldiers their questionable recruiting tactics]] (conscripting from the cradle, cutting them off from all family ties or ''any'' close emotional tie other than Master and Padawan), taking command of an [[{{Tykebomb}} age-accelerated slave army of clones]], and their grandmaster (Yoda) giving some ''astonishingly'' tone-deaf advice to a terrified Anakin made them look like a bunch of ChurchMilitant jackasses instead.

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** The entire Jedi Order gets this in the prequel trilogy. They're meant to be the BigGood organization, a group of [[ThePaladin Lawful Good magic knights]], but possessed of the FatalFlaw of being too bound up by centuries-old dogma to see something terrible is about to happen until it's [[TragicHero tragically]] too late to prevent it. Unfortunately, [[ChildSoldiers their questionable recruiting tactics]] (conscripting from the cradle, cutting them off from all family ties or ''any'' close emotional tie other than Master and Padawan), taking command of an [[{{Tykebomb}} age-accelerated slave army of clones]], and their grandmaster (Yoda) giving some ''astonishingly'' tone-deaf advice to a terrified Anakin made them look like a bunch of ChurchMilitant jackasses instead. [[spoiler:This is even lampshaded by Luke in Film/TheLastJedi.]]
4th Jan '18 12:37:25 PM otemple700
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* The here clan from ''LightNovel/TheTestamentOfSisterNewDevil'' come off as this. There over all hatred for Basara for the Brynhildr incident is very sour. It's supposed to be viewed as JerkassHasAPoint since their family and friends where all killed when it happened... except that Basara's life was in danger from a demon hunter and would have beem killed if nothing happened. Not to mention there over eagerness to kill Mio, who Basara has sworn to protect, goes far beyond what they were ordered to do and the way they planned to rub it in Basara's face once they succed. [[WhatTheHellHero Mio calling them out for their crap was highly satisfying]].
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