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18th Oct '17 12:31:34 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* The title character from ''Anime/NadiaTheSecretOfBlueWater.'' She is an emotionally unstable, distrusting, paranoid, bad-tempered character who sometimes acts ungratefully even to people who are on her side. She dislikes grown-ups, eating meat, and abhors killing of any kind. To the point where some viewers find her alienating as a character. Case in point: she shows [[UngratefulBastard no gratitude to Nemo when the latter kills a soldier]] -- to save her from being shot! -- and calls him a "MURDERER!" She also nearly ruins her friendship with Jean out of jealousy when she suspects she may lose him to Electra. (Despite his occasional obliviousness, Jean is otherwise dedicated to her.) The island/Africa arc overemphasizes her character flaws and turns her into an insufferably bratty {{jerkass}}. Because of this, it is difficult for some viewers to reconcile this CharacterDerailment of Nadia when the show's 35th episode finally shows her maturing. (All this, despite showing scenes where she's obviously growing to care for her new friends, notably Jean and Marie.)

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* The title character from ''Anime/NadiaTheSecretOfBlueWater.'' She is an emotionally unstable, distrusting, paranoid, bad-tempered character who sometimes acts ungratefully even to people who are on her side. She dislikes grown-ups, eating meat, and abhors killing of any kind. To the point where some viewers find her alienating as a character. Case in point: she shows [[UngratefulBastard no gratitude to Nemo when the latter kills a soldier]] -- to save her from being shot! -- and calls him a "MURDERER!" She also nearly ruins her friendship with Jean out of jealousy when she suspects she may lose him to Electra. (Despite his occasional obliviousness, Jean is otherwise dedicated to her.) The island/Africa arc overemphasizes her character flaws and turns her into an insufferably bratty {{jerkass}}. Because of this, it is difficult for some viewers to reconcile this CharacterDerailment of Nadia when with the show's 35th episode finally shows her maturing. (All this, despite showing scenes where she's obviously growing to care for her new friends, notably Jean and Marie.)
18th Oct '17 10:41:41 AM KizunaTallis
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** Tony Stark is supposed to come off as a father figure where anytime Peter makes a mistake, we are supposed to side with him and is supposed to help him out whenever he is in trouble. The problem is, he treats Peter as a little kid and outright dismisses Vulture as being "below his pay grade", giving the impression that he is not taking Peter's claims seriously. This especially comes to a head during their argument after fixing the ferry where he attacks Peter for ruining the FBI bust on Toomes, but [[PoorCommunicationKills had he just]] ''[[PoorCommunicationKills told]]'' [[PoorCommunicationKills Peter he was actually taking this seriously and what his plan was, chances are Peter wouldn't have gotten involved or even get put in danger at all]]. And yet he decides to take Peter's new suit away because the latter said that he is nothing without it, but judging from the fact that he doesn't know Peter's situation of being trapped in a building nor even made aware of, it give fans the impression that he actually gave up on him for real as he seemingly does not put any sort secret tracker just in case he gets into trouble again and needs to save him. All in all, what is intended for Tony's treatment to Peter being a JerkWithAHeartOfGold end up being a straight-up {{Jerkass}} [[ParentalNeglect neglectful father figure]], bordering on AbusiveParent who is never treated as being in the wrong or called out (this is a huge contrast to [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar the previous movie]] where when he does do something wrong, the narrative treats it appropriately) by the other characters for his treatment of Peter. There is also the fact that he is responsible for creating Vulture when he forced New York City to cancel Toomes' contract and doesn't do anything to reimburse him for the costs. And yet no one calls him out for yet again causing all the problems of the film.
** Peter himself can also fall into this category. Like every other version of Spider-Man, Peter is supposed to be sympathetic because his double life as Spider-Man makes his normal life as Peter unmanageable. But in this version, whenever Peter chooses to be Spider-Man, he usually ends up making things worse for everyone. If he had just listened to Tony Stark and tended to his life as Peter instead, he wouldn't have any reason to keep ignoring his personal responsibilities. Somewhat mitigated in that he does learn his lesson by the end.
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** Tony Stark is supposed to come off as a father figure where anytime Peter makes a mistake, we are supposed to side with him and is supposed to help him out whenever he is in trouble. The problem is, he treats Peter as like a little kid and outright dismisses Vulture as being "below his pay grade", giving the impression that he is not taking Peter's claims seriously. This especially comes to a head during their argument after fixing the ferry where he attacks scolds Peter for ruining the FBI bust on Toomes, but [[PoorCommunicationKills had he just]] ''[[PoorCommunicationKills told]]'' [[PoorCommunicationKills Peter he was actually taking this seriously and what his plan was, chances are Peter wouldn't have gotten involved or even get put in danger at all]]. And yet he decides to take Peter's new suit away because the latter said that he is nothing without it, but judging from the fact that he doesn't know Peter's situation of being trapped in a building nor even made aware of, of it, it give fans gives the impression that he actually gave up on him for real as he seemingly does not put any sort of secret tracker just in case he gets into trouble again and needs to save him. All in all, what is was intended for Tony's treatment to Peter being a JerkWithAHeartOfGold end mentor ends up being a straight-up {{Jerkass}} [[ParentalNeglect neglectful father figure]], bordering on AbusiveParent who is never treated as being in the wrong or called out (this is a huge contrast to [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar the previous movie]] where where, when he does do something wrong, the narrative treats it appropriately) by the other characters for his treatment of Peter. There is also the fact that he is responsible for creating Vulture when he forced New York City to cancel Toomes' contract and doesn't do anything to reimburse him for the costs. And yet no one calls him out for yet again causing all the problems of the film.
** Peter himself can also fall into this category. Like every other version of Spider-Man, Peter is supposed to be sympathetic because his double life as Spider-Man makes his normal life as Peter unmanageable. But in this version, whenever Peter chooses to be Spider-Man, he usually ends up making things worse for everyone. If he had just listened to Tony Stark and tended to his life as Peter instead, he wouldn't have any reason to keep ignoring his personal responsibilities. Somewhat It is somewhat mitigated in that he does learn his lesson by the end.
** Michelle is supposed to be seen as a lovable DeadpanSnarker HollywoodNerd that the audience is supposed to sympathize with because she doesn't have any friends. However, most of her screentime consists of her belittling and mocking people with a haughty and condescending attitude for no reason (especially considering that all other the students, aside from Flash, are pretty nice people who haven't done anything to deserve it), so it's pretty understandable why she doesn't have any.
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17th Oct '17 2:30:47 PM Isaac_Heller
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** Peter himself can also fall into this category. Like every other version of Spider-Man, Peter is supposed to be sympathetic because his double life as Spider-Man makes his normal life as Peter unmanageable. But in this version, whenever Peter chooses to be Spiderman, he usually ends up making things worse for everyone. If he had just listened to Tony Stark and tended to his life as Peter instead, he wouldn't have any reason to keep ignoring his personal responsibilities. Somewhat mitigated in that he does learn his lesson by the end.

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** Peter himself can also fall into this category. Like every other version of Spider-Man, Peter is supposed to be sympathetic because his double life as Spider-Man makes his normal life as Peter unmanageable. But in this version, whenever Peter chooses to be Spiderman, Spider-Man, he usually ends up making things worse for everyone. If he had just listened to Tony Stark and tended to his life as Peter instead, he wouldn't have any reason to keep ignoring his personal responsibilities. Somewhat mitigated in that he does learn his lesson by the end.
17th Oct '17 2:30:07 PM Isaac_Heller
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** Peter himself can also fall into this category. Like every other version of Spiderman, Peter is supposed to be sympathetic because his double life as Spiderman makes his normal life as Peter unmanageable. But in this version, whenever Peter chooses to be Spiderman, he ends up making things worse for everyone. If he had just listened to Tony Stark and tended to his life as Peter instead, he wouldn't have any reason to keep ignoring his personal responsibilities.

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** Peter himself can also fall into this category. Like every other version of Spiderman, Spider-Man, Peter is supposed to be sympathetic because his double life as Spiderman Spider-Man makes his normal life as Peter unmanageable. But in this version, whenever Peter chooses to be Spiderman, he usually ends up making things worse for everyone. If he had just listened to Tony Stark and tended to his life as Peter instead, he wouldn't have any reason to keep ignoring his personal responsibilities. Somewhat mitigated in that he does learn his lesson by the end.
16th Oct '17 2:39:22 PM PhantomHeartless5
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** This trope is the main reason why Aigami, the BigBad of ''Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions'', is such a [[BaseBreakingCharacter divisive character]]. He's meant to be a who became the TragicVillain he is due to the hardships he endured and the death of his beloved Master Shin, but his actions throughout the film completely destroy any sympathy for him to the point that you'll feel more sympathy for his sister Sera and his friend Mani. It's been said that prior to the film, he'd been using his Quantum Cube to erase anyone he deems "evil". [[spoiler:He wants to kill Bakura because Bakura killed Master Shin, however, Bakura was under the control of the [[ArtifactOfDoom Millennium Ring]] at the time, [[DisproportionateRetribution meaning he wants to kill Bakura for something that was]] ''[[DisproportionateRetribution not even his fault]]''.]] He also tries to kill Yugi, someone who has shown him nothing but kindness, because Kaiba wants to resurrect Atem and if that happens, he would lose the power of the Plana, [[ItsAllAboutMe meaning he's willing to kill someone just to keep his powers.]] He also tries to kill Joey when the latter tries to protect Bakura by sending him to another dimension, sadistically taunting him about how he's going to slowly erase all his memories, [[UngratefulBastard even though Joey had saved him from Scud and his gang earlier in the film]]. Also, unlike Bakura and Marik, Aigami doesn't have the excuse of being influenced by some evil force as [[spoiler:the Millennium Ring only posesses him at the climax of the film]], meaning that all of his actions throughout the film were done of his own volition. [[spoiler:The fact that he practically gets away scot-free, with the closest thing to a punishment being him losing his powers thanks to Atem temporarily returning to the physical plane to save Yugi, only makes it worse.]]

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** This trope is the main reason why Aigami, the BigBad of ''Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions'', is such a [[BaseBreakingCharacter divisive character]]. He's meant to be be portrayed as a character who became the TragicVillain he is due to the hardships he endured and the death of his beloved Master Shin, but his actions throughout the film completely destroy any sympathy for him to the point that you'll feel more sympathy for his sister Sera and his friend Mani. It's been said that prior to the film, he'd been using his Quantum Cube to erase anyone he deems "evil". [[spoiler:He wants to kill Bakura because Bakura killed Master Shin, however, Bakura was under the control of the [[ArtifactOfDoom Millennium Ring]] at the time, [[DisproportionateRetribution meaning he wants to kill Bakura for something that was]] ''[[DisproportionateRetribution not even his fault]]''.]] He also tries to kill Yugi, someone who has shown him nothing but kindness, because Kaiba wants to resurrect Atem and if that happens, he would lose the power of the Plana, [[ItsAllAboutMe meaning he's willing to kill someone just to keep his powers.]] He also tries to kill Joey when the latter tries to protect Bakura by sending him to another dimension, sadistically taunting him about how he's going to slowly erase all his memories, [[UngratefulBastard even though Joey had saved him from Scud and his gang earlier in the film]]. Also, unlike Bakura and Marik, Aigami doesn't have the excuse of being influenced by some evil force as [[spoiler:the Millennium Ring only posesses him at the climax of the film]], meaning that all of his actions throughout the film were done of his own volition. [[spoiler:The fact that he practically gets away scot-free, with the closest thing to a punishment being him losing his powers thanks to Atem temporarily returning to the physical plane to save Yugi, only makes it worse.]]
16th Oct '17 2:37:24 PM PhantomHeartless5
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** This trope is the main reason why Aigami, the BigBad of ''Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions'', is such a [[BaseBreakingCharacter divisive character]]. He's meant to be a who became the TragicVillain he is due to the hardships he endured and the death of his beloved Master Shin, but his actions throughout the film completely destroy any sympathy for him to the point that you'll feel more sympathy for his sister Sera and his friend Mani. It's been said that prior to the film, he'd been using his Quantum Cube to erase anyone he deems "evil". [[spoiler:He wants to kill Bakura because Bakura killed Master Shin, however, Bakura was under the control of the [[ArtifactOfDoom Millennium Ring]] at the time, [[DisproportionateRetribution meaning he wants to kill Bakura for something that was]] ''[[DisproportionateRetribution not even his fault]]''.]] He also tries to kill Yugi, someone who has shown him nothing but kindness, because Kaiba wants to resurrect Atem and if that happens, he would lose the power of the Plana, [[ItsAllAboutMe meaning he's willing to kill someone just to keep his powers.]] He also tries to kill Joey when the latter tries to protect Bakura by sending him to another dimension, sadistically taunting him about how he's going to slowly erase all his memories, [[UngratefulBastard even though Joey had saved him from Scud and his gang earlier in the film]]. Also, unlike Bakura and Marik, Aigami doesn't have the excuse of being influenced by some evil force as [[spoiler:the Millennium Ring only posesses him at the climax of the film]], meaning that all of his actions throughout the film were done of his own volition. [[spoiler:The fact that he practically gets away scot-free, with the closest thing to a punishment being him losing his powers thanks to Atem temporarily returning to the physical plane to save Yugi, only makes it worse.]]
16th Oct '17 2:14:49 PM PhantomHeartless5
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* The Commons of ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV''. They're the unwealthy majority of the city and are regullarly abused and oppressed by the Tops, with some even being forced into slavery during the [[TournamentArc Friendship Cup]]. The dimension revolves around gladiatorial combat where only the strong move forward, and the weak are mistreated. The problem is, the Commons are just as blood-thirsty as the Tops. Yuya sees such a competitive outlook as abhorrent and aims to change that, but neither the Tops or Commons care what he has to say unless he wins duels and provides blood entertainment. Yuya's may be fighting back a long-standing history of another world's different values, but the people he's trying to help still ignore his message and act like jerks.
** Shun Kurosaki, the brooding SoleSurvivor of the Xyz Dimension, who lost everyone he cared about shortly after his sister was kidnapped. His major motivation is rescuing his sister from the bad guys. Characters like Yuzu will point out his tragic past to justify his behavior as a cold loner. The problem is that he knowingly trapped innocent people in cards so he could lure out Reiji, kidnap him and use him as leverage against his BigBad father. He's a cold jerk to everyone he meets and is quick to using violence. Once in the Synchro Dimension, he abandoned his mission to live out his dreams of being a pro duelist (He claimed he was going pro to get into the Friendship Cup and convince people to join their cause, but even the Lancers think it's bullshit.) He frequently rejects the Lancers every time they try to help him, even after they've saved his life twice and helped him break out of prison. Worse still, he still says that he doesn't consider them comrades and doesn't acknowledge how they've helped him. So it's kind of hard to sympathize with the lone wolf when the reason he's alone is because he's horrible and ungrateful to nearly everyone for no real reason, and still hurt innocent people because it was convenient for his plans.
** Zarc, the show's BigBad, has the motivation that [[spoiler:he was an entertainer who was pressured into brutalizing people by the crowds when they cheered him on when he accidentally hurt an opponent. Therefore, he's intended as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds who was corrupted by humanity's desires. The problem is, there was nothing stopping him from calling the crowd out or just not doing it again, and his initial disgust at accidentally hurting someone seems to subside ''really'' quickly in favor of hurting people ForTheEvulz. And even then, you'd think the endpoint of this would be him becoming a {{Heel}}, but instead he uses his vague spirit powers [[DisproportionateRetribution to try to destroy the world.]] More or less, his arc is "people liked it when I hurt people in the arena > I really enjoy hurting people in the arena > I am an OmnicidalManiac," and for this, he blames humanity.]] It's really hard to call him the victim when minimal outside pressure sent him JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, and he made no effort to stop it at any stage.

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The Commons of ''Anime/YuGiOhArcV''. They're the unwealthy majority of the city and are regullarly abused and oppressed by the Tops, with some even being forced into slavery during the [[TournamentArc Friendship Cup]]. The dimension revolves around gladiatorial combat where only the strong move forward, and the weak are mistreated. The problem is, the Commons are just as blood-thirsty as the Tops. Yuya sees such a competitive outlook as abhorrent and aims to change that, but neither the Tops or Commons care what he has to say unless he wins duels and provides blood entertainment. Yuya's may be fighting back a long-standing history of another world's different values, but the people he's trying to help still ignore his message and act like jerks.
** *** Shun Kurosaki, the brooding SoleSurvivor of the Xyz Dimension, who lost everyone he cared about shortly after his sister was kidnapped. His major motivation is rescuing his sister from the bad guys. Characters like Yuzu will point out his tragic past to justify his behavior as a cold loner. The problem is that he knowingly trapped innocent people in cards so he could lure out Reiji, kidnap him and use him as leverage against his BigBad father. He's a cold jerk to everyone he meets and is quick to using violence. Once in the Synchro Dimension, he abandoned his mission to live out his dreams of being a pro duelist (He claimed he was going pro to get into the Friendship Cup and convince people to join their cause, but even the Lancers think it's bullshit.) He frequently rejects the Lancers every time they try to help him, even after they've saved his life twice and helped him break out of prison. Worse still, he still says that he doesn't consider them comrades and doesn't acknowledge how they've helped him. So it's kind of hard to sympathize with the lone wolf when the reason he's alone is because he's horrible and ungrateful to nearly everyone for no real reason, and still hurt innocent people because it was convenient for his plans.
** *** Zarc, the show's BigBad, has the motivation that [[spoiler:he was an entertainer who was pressured into brutalizing people by the crowds when they cheered him on when he accidentally hurt an opponent. Therefore, he's intended as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds who was corrupted by humanity's desires. The problem is, there was nothing stopping him from calling the crowd out or just not doing it again, and his initial disgust at accidentally hurting someone seems to subside ''really'' quickly in favor of hurting people ForTheEvulz. And even then, you'd think the endpoint of this would be him becoming a {{Heel}}, but instead he uses his vague spirit powers [[DisproportionateRetribution to try to destroy the world.]] More or less, his arc is "people liked it when I hurt people in the arena > I really enjoy hurting people in the arena > I am an OmnicidalManiac," and for this, he blames humanity.]] It's really hard to call him the victim when minimal outside pressure sent him JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, and he made no effort to stop it at any stage.
16th Oct '17 11:50:38 AM MBG
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** Zarc, the show's BigBad, has the motivation that [[spoiler:he was an entertainer who was pressured into brutalizing people by the crowds when they cheered him on when he accidentally hurt an opponent. Therefore, he's intended as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds who was corrupted by humanity's desires. The problem is, there was nothing stopping him from calling the crowd out or just not doing it again, and his initial disgust at accidentally hurting someone seems to subside ''really'' quickly in favor of hurting people ForTheEvulz. And even then, you'd think the endpoint of this was just him becoming a {{Heel}}, but instead he uses his vague spirit powers [[DisproportionateRetribution to try to destroy the world.]] More or less, his arc is "people liked it when I hurt people in the arena > I really enjoy hurting people in the arena > I am an OmnicidalManiac," and for this, he blames humanity.]] It's really hard to call him the victim when minimal outside pressure sent him JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, and he made no effort to stop it at any stage.

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** Zarc, the show's BigBad, has the motivation that [[spoiler:he was an entertainer who was pressured into brutalizing people by the crowds when they cheered him on when he accidentally hurt an opponent. Therefore, he's intended as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds who was corrupted by humanity's desires. The problem is, there was nothing stopping him from calling the crowd out or just not doing it again, and his initial disgust at accidentally hurting someone seems to subside ''really'' quickly in favor of hurting people ForTheEvulz. And even then, you'd think the endpoint of this was just would be him becoming a {{Heel}}, but instead he uses his vague spirit powers [[DisproportionateRetribution to try to destroy the world.]] More or less, his arc is "people liked it when I hurt people in the arena > I really enjoy hurting people in the arena > I am an OmnicidalManiac," and for this, he blames humanity.]] It's really hard to call him the victim when minimal outside pressure sent him JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, and he made no effort to stop it at any stage.
16th Oct '17 11:49:35 AM MBG
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** Zarc, the show's BigBad, has the motivation that [[spoiler:he was an entertainer who was pressured into brutalizing people by the crowds when they cheered him on when he accidentally hurt an opponent. Therefore, he's intended as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds who was corrupted by humanity's desires. The problem is, there was nothing stopping him from just calling out the crowd for their bloodlust, and his initial disgust at accidentally hurting someone seems to subside ''really'' quickly in favor of hurting people ForTheEvulz. And even then, you'd think the endpoint of this was just him becoming a {{Heel}}, but instead he uses his vague spirit powers [[DisproportionateRetribution to try to destroy the world.]] More or less, his arc is "people liked it when I hurt people in the arena > I really enjoy hurting people in the arena > I am an OmnicidalManiac," and for this, he blames humanity.]] It's really hard to call him the victim when minimal outside pressure sent him JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, and he made no effort to stop it at any stage.

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** Zarc, the show's BigBad, has the motivation that [[spoiler:he was an entertainer who was pressured into brutalizing people by the crowds when they cheered him on when he accidentally hurt an opponent. Therefore, he's intended as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds who was corrupted by humanity's desires. The problem is, there was nothing stopping him from just calling out the crowd for their bloodlust, out or just not doing it again, and his initial disgust at accidentally hurting someone seems to subside ''really'' quickly in favor of hurting people ForTheEvulz. And even then, you'd think the endpoint of this was just him becoming a {{Heel}}, but instead he uses his vague spirit powers [[DisproportionateRetribution to try to destroy the world.]] More or less, his arc is "people liked it when I hurt people in the arena > I really enjoy hurting people in the arena > I am an OmnicidalManiac," and for this, he blames humanity.]] It's really hard to call him the victim when minimal outside pressure sent him JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, and he made no effort to stop it at any stage.
16th Oct '17 11:45:11 AM MBG
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** Zarc, the show's BigBad, has the motivation that [[spoiler:he was an entertainer who was pressured into brutalizing people by the crowds when they cheered him on when he accidentally hurt an opponent. Therefore, he's intended as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds who was corrupted by humanity's desires. The problem is, there was nothing stopping him from just calling out the crowd for their bloodlust, and his initial disgust at accidentally hurting someone seems to subside ''really'' quickly in favor of hurting people ForTheEvulz. And even then, you'd think the endpoint of this was just him becoming a {{Heel}}, but instead he uses his vague spirit powers [[DisproportionateRetribution to try to destroy the world.]] More or less, his arc is "people liked it when I hurt people in the arena > I really enjoy hurting people in the arena > I am an OmnicidalManiac," and for this, he blames humanity.]] It's really hard to call him the victim when minimal outside pressure sent him JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope, and he made no effort to stop it at any stage.
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