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24th May '18 8:59:03 AM RedScharlach
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** The animals, Peter in particular, stand out as obnoxious {{Designated Hero}}es since they mercilessly torture an innocent man (Thomas [=McGregor=]) for no good reason other than trying to protect his uncle's garden from selfish and destructive animals. One scene in particular has them feeding Tom blackberrys, ''while knowing that he's highly allergic to them'', which nearly kills him (he is saved by his Epi-Pen, but still). Speaking of that, their thoughtless ravaging against Tom's uncle [[spoiler:''causes his death'']], but still rather ''celebrate'' his predicament instead of feeling guilty for their actions.
** Bea certainly comes off as no better than them since she rather ignores Tom's plight when having to deal with the animals. She even scolds him for trying to get rid of them, even though he, of course, has ''extremely good reasons'' for trying to eliminate the little pests. She doesn't even give a damn for his predicaments that he suffers from the obnoxious pricks and even chooses to leave him over something that was ''Peter's fault'' (granted, she ''does'' figure out Peter was responsible for the destruction of the house, but still).
* Harry in ''Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban'' when he attacks Snape in Shrieking Shack. Sure, Snape wasn't the nicest person in the world but Harry had him BlownAcrossTheRoom for no apparent reason, just because he tried to take Sirius (who was escaped convict at the time) and wanted revenge on him ([[MoralMyopia which isn't any different from what Harry wanted for most of the movie]]). Averted in the books, where Harry attacks Snape because Snape didn't want to listen to them and tried to get them FateWorseThanDeath without giving them any chance to explain themselves. Harry tried to convince Snape to at least listen to them, and only after Snape had shown that he has no intention of doing so, Harry attacked him, and had his doubts even after the fact.

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** The animals, Peter in particular, stand out come across as obnoxious {{Designated Hero}}es since they mercilessly torture an innocent man (Thomas [=McGregor=]) for no good reason reason, other than the fact that he's trying to protect his uncle's garden from selfish and destructive animals. One scene in particular has them feeding Tom blackberrys, blackberries, ''while knowing that he's highly allergic to them'', which nearly kills him (he is saved by his Epi-Pen, but still). Speaking of that, their thoughtless ravaging against Tom's uncle [[spoiler:''causes his Tom's uncle's death'']], but yet they still rather ''celebrate'' his predicament instead of feeling guilty for over their actions.
** Bea certainly comes off as no better than them since she rather mostly ignores Tom's plight when having to deal with the animals. plight. She even scolds him for trying to get rid of them, the rabbits, even though he, of course, has ''extremely good reasons'' for trying to eliminate the little pests. She doesn't even give a damn for about his predicaments that he suffers from the obnoxious pricks predicament and even chooses to leave him over something that was ''Peter's fault'' (granted, she ''does'' figure out Peter was responsible for the destruction of the house, but still).
* Harry in ''Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban'' when he attacks Snape in the Shrieking Shack. Sure, Snape wasn't the nicest person in the world but Harry had him BlownAcrossTheRoom for no apparent reason, just because he tried to take Sirius (who was an escaped convict at the time) and wanted revenge on him ([[MoralMyopia which isn't any different from what Harry wanted for most of the movie]]). Averted in the books, where Harry attacks Snape because Snape didn't want to listen to them and tried to get subject them to a FateWorseThanDeath without giving them any a chance to explain themselves. Harry tried to convince Snape to at least listen to them, and only after Snape had shown that he has had no intention of doing so, Harry attacked him, and had his doubts even after the fact.



* Queen Gorgo in ''Film/ThreeHundredRiseOfAnEmpire'' mourns Leonidas' death and doesn't want to commit her remaining Spartan troops to help the Athenians. This is suppose to spark sympathy with the audience because of her losses, but instead she comes across as stuck up, prejudice against the Athenians, and whiny. [[spoiler:Subverted at the very end, after she pulls a BigDamnHeroes right when the Athenians were about to lose the sea battle against the Persians.]]

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* Queen Gorgo in ''Film/ThreeHundredRiseOfAnEmpire'' mourns Leonidas' death and doesn't want to commit her remaining Spartan troops to help the Athenians. This is suppose supposed to spark sympathy with the audience because of her losses, but instead she comes across as stuck up, prejudice prejudiced against the Athenians, and whiny. [[spoiler:Subverted at the very end, after she pulls a BigDamnHeroes moment right when the Athenians were about to lose the sea battle against the Persians.]]
23rd May '18 10:57:44 PM DarkHunter
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* ''Anime/MacrossDelta'' has its own villain faction, the Kingdom of Windermere. At first glance their reasons for going to war seem understandable: they fought a bloody revolution to free themselves of the New UN, which culminated in a superweapon being detonated on their planet. Now they want to liberate other worlds from the New UN. For a portion of the fans, though, their methods of going to war, particularly the fact that they [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil enslave anyone who tries to stand in their way]] via MindControl, invalidates any moral high ground they might have otherwise had. Additionally, none of the planets they "liberate" are shown to have any problem with the New UN, making the Windermerians' actions seem unwarranted. This gets particularly bad as the series goes on and they announce their intention to conquer the whole galaxy because they believe themselves to have been "chosen" by the Protoculture. They keep trying to play the victim card, but the fact that they are the aggressors in the current conflict, justifying their conquering and enslavement of other people via notions of racial supremacism, made many fans give up on them as anything other than evil.

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* ''Anime/MacrossDelta'' has its own villain faction, the Kingdom of Windermere. At first glance their reasons for going to war seem understandable: they fought a bloody revolution to free themselves of the New UN, which culminated in a superweapon being detonated on their planet. Now they want to liberate other worlds from the New UN. For a portion of the fans, though, their methods of going to war, particularly the fact that they [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil enslave anyone who tries to stand in their way]] via MindControl, invalidates any moral high ground they might have otherwise had. Additionally, none of the planets they "liberate" are shown to have any problem with the New UN, making the Windermerians' actions seem unwarranted. This gets particularly bad as the series goes on and they announce their intention to conquer the whole galaxy because they believe themselves to have been "chosen" by the Protoculture. They keep trying The narrative seems to play want the victim card, audience to feel sympathetic to them, but the fact that they are the aggressors in the current conflict, justifying their conquering and enslavement of other people via notions of racial supremacism, made many fans give up on them as anything other than evil.
23rd May '18 10:56:18 PM DarkHunter
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* ''Anime/MacrossDelta'' has its own villain faction, the Kingdom of Windermere. At first glance their reasons for going to war seem understandable: they fought a bloody revolution to free themselves of the New UN, which culminated in a superweapon being detonated on their planet. Now they want to liberate other worlds from the New UN. For a portion of the fans, though, their methods of going to war, particularly the fact that they [[SlaveryIsASpecialKindOfEvil enslave anyone who tries to stand in their way]] via MindControl, invalidates any moral high ground they might have otherwise had. Additionally, none of the planets they "liberate" are shown to have any problem with the New UN, making the Windermerians' actions seem unwarranted. This gets particularly bad as the series goes on and they announce their intention to conquer the whole galaxy because they believe themselves to have been "chosen" by the Protoculture. They keep trying to play the victim card, but the fact that they are the aggressors in the current conflict, justifying their conquering and enslavement of other people via notions of racial supremacism, made many fans give up on them as anything other than evil.
16th May '18 2:08:00 PM rjd1922
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* A number of characters in Roleplay/DinoAttackRPG:

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* Every now and then, ''WebOriginal/NotAlwaysRight'' gets an entry where the submitter clearly thinks the incident was funny, awesome, or worthy of sympathy and where they consider themselves to be right... only for the readers to disagree completely and make their opinions clear in the comments section. [[https://notalwaysright.com/happy-birthday-to-whom/110192/ This]] entry is a good example; apparently most other people don't think it's funny or cute when you deliberately snub and humiliate a schoolgirl on her actual birthday, while also putting the shyest girl in class in an awkward situation by singing 'happy birthday' for her instead. General consensus? "Wow, all of you are complete assholes."

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* Every now and then, ''WebOriginal/NotAlwaysRight'' ''Website/NotAlwaysRight'' gets an entry where the submitter clearly thinks the incident was funny, awesome, or worthy of sympathy and where they consider themselves to be right... only for the readers to disagree completely and make their opinions clear in the comments section. [[https://notalwaysright.com/happy-birthday-to-whom/110192/ This]] entry is a good example; apparently most other people don't think it's funny or cute when you deliberately snub and humiliate a schoolgirl on her actual birthday, while also putting the shyest girl in class in an awkward situation by singing 'happy birthday' for her instead. General consensus? "Wow, all of you are complete assholes."
16th May '18 2:06:42 PM rjd1922
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** Kaito during the aftermath of [[spoiler:Gonta's trial]] in ''VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3''. [[spoiler: Throughout Chapter 5, he becomes upset at Shuichi, refuses to look him in the eye, and he refuses to hang out with him during the Ultimate Detective's [=FTEs=] all because [[InformedWrongness he revealed the truth of Gonta committing murder]]. While anybody can understand him being upset over the results of the trial, his treatment towards Shuichi made it seem like he is throwing a petty hissy fit over things not going his way.]]
** Also, in [[VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3 the third game]], [[spoiler:Maki]] can come across as this in the fifth trial. [[spoiler:While Maki believes that Kokichi is the mastermind due to how he confessed to being it, and he is far from a saint, a lot of fans felt that wanting to have everybody get executed while she was thought she was the blackened for that trial all for the sake to have Kokichi be killed is going a bit too far. Especially jarring because, as he lampshades himself numerous times, ''Kokichi is a liar''. Maki made a pretty big leap to assume he was telling the truth, which, of course, he wasn't.]]

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** Kaito Momota during the aftermath of [[spoiler:Gonta's trial]] in ''VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3''. [[spoiler: Throughout Chapter 5, he becomes upset at Shuichi, refuses to look him in the eye, and he refuses to hang out with him during the Ultimate Detective's [=FTEs=] all because [[InformedWrongness he revealed the truth of Gonta committing murder]]. While anybody can understand him being upset over the results of the trial, his treatment towards Shuichi made it seem like he is throwing a petty hissy fit over things not going his way.]]
** Also, in [[VisualNovel/NewDanganRonpaV3 the third game]], [[spoiler:Maki]] [[spoiler:Maki Harukawa]] can come across as this in the fifth trial. [[spoiler:While Maki believes that Kokichi is the mastermind due to how he confessed to being it, and he is far from a saint, a lot of fans felt that wanting to have everybody get executed while she was thought she was the blackened for that trial all for the sake to have Kokichi be killed is going a bit too far. Especially jarring because, as he lampshades himself numerous times, ''Kokichi is a liar''. Maki made a pretty big leap to assume he was telling the truth, which, of course, he wasn't.]]



* Website/GoAnimate "[[YouAreGrounded Grounded]]" videos: The parent characters who are punishing the trouble-making kids, particularly those of "baby show" characters such as WesternAnimation/{{Caillou}} and WesternAnimation/DoraTheExplorer. The makers of these videos intend for the viewers to side against Caillou and Dora (who, truth to tell, [[TookALevelInJerkass aren't the wholesome lovable heroes that they are]] canonically, themselves) and with their parents. But in all honesty, the measures the parents take to teach Caillou and Dora their lessons often come off as [[DisproportionateRetribution overly cruel]]. Even so much as hitting a sibling can lead to getting grounded or even murdered (directly or indirectly) by their parents. Additionally, sometimes the parents even do stuff without Caillou and Dora just to be mean (sometimes even before the kid has even caused any trouble) and, in extreme cases, even tell them to their faces how much they and the world hates them. In the end, the parents frequently come off as [[AbusiveParents incredibly abusive]] [[{{Jerkass}} Jerkasses]] not worth rooting for over the [[JerkassWoobie Jerkass Woobies]] Caillou and Dora.

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* Website/GoAnimate "[[YouAreGrounded Grounded]]" videos: The parent characters who are punishing the trouble-making kids, particularly those of "baby show" characters such as WesternAnimation/{{Caillou}} and WesternAnimation/DoraTheExplorer. The makers of these videos intend for the viewers to side against Caillou and Dora (who, truth to tell, [[TookALevelInJerkass aren't the wholesome lovable heroes that they are]] canonically, themselves) and with their parents. But in all honesty, the measures the parents take to teach Caillou and Dora their lessons often come off as [[DisproportionateRetribution overly cruel]]. Even so much as hitting a sibling can lead to getting grounded for an incredibly long time or even murdered (directly or indirectly) by their parents. Additionally, sometimes the parents even do stuff without Caillou and Dora just to be mean (sometimes even before the kid has even caused any trouble) and, in extreme cases, even tell them to their faces how much they and the world hates them. In the end, the parents frequently come off as [[AbusiveParents incredibly abusive]] [[{{Jerkass}} Jerkasses]] not worth rooting for over the [[JerkassWoobie Jerkass Woobies]] Caillou and Dora.
14th May '18 7:51:17 AM ashaunti
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** ''UnintentionallyUnsympathetic/AmericanDad''
13th May '18 2:48:10 PM KOman
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** Gin Ichimaru spends over a century helping the BigBad with little reservation, and seemed to have a personal cruelty streak regardless of Aizenís influence. When he [[spoiler:[[BestServedCold reveals that he was always looking for an opportunity to kill him]] as revenge for taking a piece of Rangikuís soul that she seems to be doing just fine without]], the mournful tone over his death can feel a bit undeserved.]]

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** Gin Ichimaru spends over a century helping the BigBad with little reservation, and seemed to have a personal cruelty streak regardless of Aizenís influence. When he [[spoiler:[[BestServedCold reveals that he was always looking for an opportunity to kill him]] as revenge for taking a piece of Rangikuís soul that she seems to be doing just fine without]], without, the mournful tone over his death can feel a bit undeserved.]]
13th May '18 2:47:38 PM KOman
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* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'': Orihime fell into this during the [[RescueArc Hueco Mundo arc]], which was intended to show a prolonged BreakTheCutie sequence on a relatively normal girl. What many saw was a RecycledScript of Rukia's kidnapping during the Soul Society arc, one that was much more grating given Rukia was {{De Power}}ed and somewhat suicidal out of her guilt over her mentor's death, while Orihime's [[RealityWarper powers]] (which the BigBad describes as near god-like) are not being restrained in any way, making her come off as a bog-standard NeutralFemale DamselInDistress. Her total breakdown after Ulquiorra [[spoiler:blasts a hole in Ichigo's chest]] was viewed by many as the final nail in the coffin for her negated CharacterDevelopment, as there was never any payoff for her stated goal of learning not to rely on Ichigo.

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* ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'': ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'':
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Orihime fell into this during the [[RescueArc Hueco Mundo arc]], which was intended to show a prolonged BreakTheCutie sequence on a relatively normal girl. What many saw was a RecycledScript of Rukia's kidnapping during the Soul Society arc, one that was much more grating given Rukia was {{De Power}}ed and somewhat suicidal out of her guilt over her mentor's death, while Orihime's [[RealityWarper powers]] (which the BigBad describes as near god-like) are not being restrained in any way, making her come off as a bog-standard NeutralFemale DamselInDistress. Her total breakdown after Ulquiorra [[spoiler:blasts a hole in Ichigo's chest]] was viewed by many as the final nail in the coffin for her negated CharacterDevelopment, as there was never any payoff for her stated goal of learning not to rely on Ichigo.Ichigo.
** Gin Ichimaru spends over a century helping the BigBad with little reservation, and seemed to have a personal cruelty streak regardless of Aizenís influence. When he [[spoiler:[[BestServedCold reveals that he was always looking for an opportunity to kill him]] as revenge for taking a piece of Rangikuís soul that she seems to be doing just fine without]], the mournful tone over his death can feel a bit undeserved.]]
13th May '18 12:05:14 PM Premonition45
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* Gavin from ''Film/TheLedge''. Gavin basically uses the argument against religion as a means to score with Shana and screw up her marriage. Given the "point" of the movie is that atheists can be good people without religion, [[ItsAllAboutMe his enormous selfishness]] and [[DisproportionateRetribution the petty reasons behind pursuing a married woman]] makes it a ''massive'' BrokenAesop.
12th May '18 2:43:06 PM KOman
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* ''Manga/Bleach'': Orihime fell into this during the [[RescueArc Hueco Mundo arc]], which was intended to show a prolonged BreakTheCutie sequence on a relatively normal girl. What many saw was a RecycledScript of Rukia's kidnapping during the Soul Society arc, one that was much more grating given Rukia was {{De Power}}ed and somewhat suicidal out of her guilt over her mentor's death, while Orihime's [[RealityWarper powers]] (which the BigBad describes as near god-like) are not being restrained in any way, making her come off as a bog-standard NeutralFemale DamselInDistress. Her total breakdown after Ulquiorra [[spoiler:blasts a hole in Ichigo's chest]] was viewed by many as the final nail in the coffin for her negated CharacterDevelopment, as there was never any payoff for her stated goal of learning not to rely on Ichigo.

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* ''Manga/Bleach'': ''Manga/{{Bleach}}'': Orihime fell into this during the [[RescueArc Hueco Mundo arc]], which was intended to show a prolonged BreakTheCutie sequence on a relatively normal girl. What many saw was a RecycledScript of Rukia's kidnapping during the Soul Society arc, one that was much more grating given Rukia was {{De Power}}ed and somewhat suicidal out of her guilt over her mentor's death, while Orihime's [[RealityWarper powers]] (which the BigBad describes as near god-like) are not being restrained in any way, making her come off as a bog-standard NeutralFemale DamselInDistress. Her total breakdown after Ulquiorra [[spoiler:blasts a hole in Ichigo's chest]] was viewed by many as the final nail in the coffin for her negated CharacterDevelopment, as there was never any payoff for her stated goal of learning not to rely on Ichigo.
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