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5th Feb '16 11:40:22 PM PurpleAlert
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* Nilin of ''VideoGame/RememberMe'' traces everything back to [[spoiler: her mother losing her leg in a car accident]] when she was a kid. The story definitely portrays Nilin as being an undeserving victim, but her character development over the rest of the game tends to undermine it. Her self-centered behavior in the game implies that her behavior as a child, and her willingness to use her remix ability to [[spoiler: just make Scylla out to be a bad driver and herself a perfect angel and]] dodge all the hard work and consequences, are not simple childishness or immaturity as much as they are inherent character flaws.
29th Jan '16 9:27:43 PM Polokun
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* ''VideoGame/BravelyDefault'': Easily this trope falls onto the Arcanist Victoria. So, she has had a terrible life as she had an incurable disease and that the local corrupt church would just abandon her to die. Her life was spared thanks to an experimental chemical treatment, but it comes with the side-effect of trapping her in a young girl's body despite being in her late teen's as well as periodic seizures. While that's sad and everything, these circumstances have turned her into a psychotic sadist willing to kill anyone even tangentially related to the corrupt church in the first place, even if it's simple pious innocents living far away from the church's center, or even just outright killing people for mistaking her for a little girl, ''which she does.''
26th Jan '16 9:07:48 PM plcthecd
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* [[{{Jerkass}} Davey]] from ''WesternAnimation/EightCrazyNights''
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* [[{{Jerkass}} Davey]] from ''WesternAnimation/EightCrazyNights'' apparently [[spoiler: lost his parents in a car accident on their way to see him on his basketball game...during Hanukkah. Even worse, before he learned of their deaths, he worked himself to the core winning as a tribute to not only his parents, but to the parents who always came to watch their kids play basketball... despite the fact that they never win!]] While that may pass him off to be a JerkassWoobie, but the way he takes his anger out on by nearly everyone and being more as an outright bully. It really loses his sympathy points. Yes, he [[DefrostingTheIceQueen eventually learns to be a better person]], but he also never faces any consequences for his nasty behavior or selfish attitude, which, as many critics have pointed out, is not how someone tends to deal with what he went though. * Sean from the 1996 ''Film/{{Alaska}}'' being upset [[MissingMom over his mom's death]] gives him a reason to feel sorry for him. But the way he takes his anger out on everyone and his overall, unpleasant and nasty personality ends up making him more of a whiny {{Jerkass}} instead. Even going as far as to wishing his own dad [[YouShouldHaveDiedInstead that he should've died instead of his mom!]]
26th Jan '16 8:54:58 PM plcthecd
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* [[{{Jerkass}} Davey]] from ''WesternAnimation/EightCrazyNights''

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** The episode ''[[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/GravityFallsS2E16RoadsideAttraction Roadside Attraction ]]'' shows all the girls Dipper practiced on getting mad at Dipper for "flirting" with a different girl at every new tourist trap are this. We're supposed to feel bad for them and know that Dipper is in the wrong for his unfaithful flirtations, but considering each girl only had one simple, non-romantic conversation with him, gave Dipper their numbers to keep in touch, and really had no expectations to ever see him again, the idea that they would assume they were now anything more than friends and get mad at Dipper for hanging out with other girls is ''absolutely ridiculous''. By domino effect, this causes Candy's more justifiable hurt to ''also'' become unsympathetic, because Mabel, Candy, and Grenda's anger at Dipper is based entirely on [[MistakenForCheating the other girls' words rather than anything Dipper did wrong]], but the situation is never addressed as anything other than Dipper's fault, with Mabel even hissing "''Betrayer!''" at him when he tries to apologize.
19th Jan '16 3:03:36 PM CoCage
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* ''Manga/ShamanKing'' has Hao Asakura (the manga version). He is supposed to come off as a sympathetic [[TragicVillain tragic]] AntiVillain, but due to being [[InvincibleVillain overpowered]], hypocritical, having a arrogant social Darwinist type attitude, and a [[spoiler: KarmaHoudini]], it falls flat. Even with his back story in mind, there are fans that feel it does not excuse Hao's actions. This is averted in the anime adaption since he gets less back story and is played straight as a villain and avoids being the [[spoiler: KarmaHoudini]].
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* ''Manga/ShamanKing'' has Hao Asakura (the manga version). He version), who is supposed to come off as be a sympathetic [[TragicVillain tragic]] AntiVillain, but due to being [[InvincibleVillain overpowered]], hypocritical, having a arrogant social Darwinist type attitude, TragicVillain, and a the audience is supposed to see [[spoiler: KarmaHoudini]], it falls flat. Even with his back story in mind, there are fans eventual ascension to Shaman King as a ''good'' thing]]. Unfortunately, the cold hard truth is that feel it does not excuse most of the cast have pretty tragic backstories too, to one degree or another, and none of ''them'' grew up to be genocidal monsters out to exterminate "baseline" humanity! Many readers instead regard him as a [[spoiler:KarmaHoudini]] of the highest order, and one who ''hasn[='=]t'' necessarily abandoned his plans for worldwide mass death and destruction so much as ''delayed'' them. ** What doesn't help matters is that Hao's actions. This goals come as petty, arrogant, and hypocritical. He goes on big rants about how HumansAreTheRealMonsters with them always fighting, killing each other or things that are different than them, and destroying the harmony of nature. The final nail in the coffin is averted that Hao is [[YouAreWhatYouHate all of those things]], and he's killed far more people than he cares to count (the body count is at least in the thousands). Many of his actions killed other humans or shamans alike; one of which that caused Lyserg's start of darkness. Compared to Hao who only lost a total of three people in his past lives: [[spoiler: his mother, his first friend Ohachiyo (by his own fault due to revenge), and Matamune (who abandoned him when Hao went off the deep end).]] No wonder he comes off unlikable by a lot of readers. At least the anime adaption since he gets less back story pointed out, in-and-out of universe, how wrong his philosophy and is played straight as a villain views were, and how they are most definitely not something you should sympathize with. Plus he avoids being a [[spoiler:KarmaHoudini]] in the [[spoiler: KarmaHoudini]].anime. The manga tries to do this, but fails spectacularly and seems to almost agree with Hao.
16th Jan '16 6:49:53 PM JesseMB27
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* Poorly done Political Ads that make the candidate it is made to support become like this is definitely one thing anyone running a campaign wants to avoid. Some that are intended to portray the candidate they are supporting as being principled and qualified for office or attacking opponents as holding values inconsistent with constituents' own values and/or unfit to serve can instead come off as making the candidate appear [[KnightTemplar as an ideological extremist who puts priority on achieving his or her own group's agenda above the concerns of the general public as a whole]] and/or [[DiscoDan being out of touch with the concerns of mainstream voters]]. A case in point that demonstrates this: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Indiana,_2012 The United States Senate election in Indiana, 2012]]. The Republican candidate, Richard Mourdock, weeks before election day during a debate proclaimed that "I think even if life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen". This response explaining his opposition to abortion even in the case of rape was intended to extol his belief in the sanctity of life (including in this case those of the unborn), but his attempt to defend these comments in statements and ads and repeated refusal to apologize instead came off as offensive to the general public and cost him the election.
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* Poorly done Political Ads that make the candidate it is made to support become like this is definitely one thing anyone running a campaign wants to avoid. Some that are intended to portray the candidate they are supporting as being principled and qualified for office or attacking opponents as holding values inconsistent with constituents' own values and/or unfit to serve can instead come off as making the candidate appear [[KnightTemplar as an ideological extremist who puts priority on achieving his or her own group's agenda above the concerns of the general public as a whole]] and/or [[DiscoDan being out of touch with the concerns of mainstream voters]]. A case in point that demonstrates this: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Indiana,_2012 The United States Senate election in Indiana, 2012]]. The Republican candidate, Richard Mourdock, weeks before election day during a debate proclaimed that "I think even if life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen". This response explaining his opposition to abortion even in the case of rape was intended to extol his belief in the sanctity of life (including in this case those of the unborn), but unborn/yet to be born potential Human beings/[[InsistentTerminology or whatever term one prefers to use]]). Instead, his attempt to defend these comments in statements and campaign ads and combined with his repeated refusal to apologize instead came off as offensive to the general public public, being regarded especially insensitive by women and victims of rape, and cost him the election.election, by a margin of 44% to Democratic nominee Joe Donnelly's 50%, even as the Republican presidential ticket won in Indiana 54% to 44%.

* ''Manga/{{Toriko}}'' [[DiscOneFinalBoss Midora]] comes off as this. [[spoiler: Because Frohze died while treating his injuries he got while getting Heal Water for her, Midora throws away all of her's and Acacia's ideals to become the epitome of ItsAllAboutMe. To the point that after he defeats Ichiryuu before the Timeskip...he unleashes [[ColonyDrop Meteor Spice]] on the entire Human World which causes 80% of it to become a barren wasteland, causes over 100 countries to break down, and displaces 32 ''billion'' people. When Meteor Spice was first revealed, [[WildMassGuessing people thought its because NEO intruded on his fight with Ichiryuu and killed him, and he was trying to wipe NEO out desperately]], but when none of that happened...yeah...any sympathy he would have had has gone out of the window.]]
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* ''Manga/{{Toriko}}'' ''Manga/{{Toriko}}'': [[DiscOneFinalBoss Midora]] comes off as this. [[spoiler: Because Frohze died while treating his injuries he got while getting Heal Water for her, Midora throws away all of her's and Acacia's ideals to become the epitome of ItsAllAboutMe. To the point that after he defeats Ichiryuu before the Timeskip...he unleashes [[ColonyDrop Meteor Spice]] on the entire Human World which causes 80% of it to become a barren wasteland, causes over 100 countries to break down, and displaces 32 ''billion'' people. When Meteor Spice was first revealed, [[WildMassGuessing people thought its because NEO intruded on his fight with Ichiryuu and killed him, and he was trying to wipe NEO out desperately]], but when none of that happened...yeah...any sympathy he would have had has gone out of the window.]]

** While not disliked enough to be TheScrappy, a number of fans never warmed up to Suyin Beifong, the long last half-sister of Lin Beifong introduced in season 3. Due to her rather unapologetic attitude about her criminal past, which included disfiguring Lin and getting away with it, a number of fans saw Suyin as a smug KarmaHoudini instead of the cool, complex older lady that the show's writers obviously wanted them to see her as being, and for some her less than sincere apology to Lin at the end of ''Old Wounds'' came off as unintentionally funny.
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** While not disliked enough to be TheScrappy, a number of fans never warmed up to Suyin Beifong, the long last lost half-sister of Lin Beifong introduced in season 3. Due to her rather unapologetic attitude about her criminal past, which included disfiguring Lin and getting away with it, a number of fans saw Suyin as a smug KarmaHoudini instead of the cool, complex older lady that the show's writers obviously wanted them to see her as being, and for some her less than sincere apology to Lin at the end of ''Old Wounds'' came off as unintentionally funny.
13th Jan '16 7:44:31 PM Doug86
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* The history of the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Saiyans]] in ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' is [[EightBitTheater a very long love poem dedicated to bloodshed]], but we're supposed to [[TearJerker shed tears for (the first time) Vegeta dies by Freeza's hand.]] Problem is, they're ''never'' shown as anything other than Space Barbarians anytime we learn about their history. Invited to share a planet with [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter friendly]] but [[PunyEarthlings puny Tuffles?]] KillEmAll, take their tech, [[{{Egopolis}} rename the whole damn planet after your king,]] and [[WrittenByTheWinners rewrite your history and paint]] ''them'' as cruel little oppressors your people valiantly rose up against. Any member of their race that's ''not'' an AxCrazy BloodKnight is considered a [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer freak]], and TheHero himself is only one bonk on the head from growing up to be his adoptive planet's conqueror instead of its savior because combat and conquest is InTheBlood, and half the TooDumbToLive stuff he does to put himself and the Earth at risk is implied to be for the same reason. The audience is [[ShowDontTell told]] they were TooCoolToLive, but the universe is actually breathing a sigh of relief [[AssholeVictim that even if Freeza didn't make them extinct, they casually did it to each other.]] [[note]]There are a bunch of [[http://readms.com/r/dragon_ball_minus/Special%20Omake%20Story/2355/1 canon]] FixFic manga out there that portray the Saiyans with more nuance, mostly by [[CanonDiscontinuity editing out the anime-only Tuffle thing]]. As such, they're portrayed more as soldiers who are working for Freeza as PunchClockVillains.[[/note]]
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* The history of the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Saiyans]] in ''Anime/DragonBallZ'' is [[EightBitTheater [[Webcomic/EightBitTheater a very long love poem dedicated to bloodshed]], but we're supposed to [[TearJerker shed tears for (the first time) Vegeta dies by Freeza's hand.]] Problem is, they're ''never'' shown as anything other than Space Barbarians anytime we learn about their history. Invited to share a planet with [[HorribleJudgeOfCharacter friendly]] but [[PunyEarthlings puny Tuffles?]] KillEmAll, take their tech, [[{{Egopolis}} rename the whole damn planet after your king,]] and [[WrittenByTheWinners rewrite your history and paint]] ''them'' as cruel little oppressors your people valiantly rose up against. Any member of their race that's ''not'' an AxCrazy BloodKnight is considered a [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer freak]], and TheHero himself is only one bonk on the head from growing up to be his adoptive planet's conqueror instead of its savior because combat and conquest is InTheBlood, and half the TooDumbToLive stuff he does to put himself and the Earth at risk is implied to be for the same reason. The audience is [[ShowDontTell told]] they were TooCoolToLive, but the universe is actually breathing a sigh of relief [[AssholeVictim that even if Freeza didn't make them extinct, they casually did it to each other.]] [[note]]There are a bunch of [[http://readms.com/r/dragon_ball_minus/Special%20Omake%20Story/2355/1 canon]] FixFic manga out there that portray the Saiyans with more nuance, mostly by [[CanonDiscontinuity editing out the anime-only Tuffle thing]]. As such, they're portrayed more as soldiers who are working for Freeza as PunchClockVillains.[[/note]]
13th Jan '16 7:41:03 PM Ninja857142
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** [[BigBad Sunset Shimmer]] from ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' transforming into a demon that brainwashed Canterlot High School and trying to ''murder'' those in her way was meant to come off as [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide the power she sought making her]] even worse than [[EvenEvilHasStandards she was normally willing to act]], hence her HeelFaceTurn after her defeat. However, the only thing supporting this - [[PetTheDog her unwillingness to harm Spike]] - was so insignificant compared to all of her [[KickTheDog abuse, bullying]], and AlphaBitch behavior throughout the movie that [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation many suspected she was faking the turn to get off easier]]. Not helping was a short one-shot comic showing she was like this even in her OriginStory. However, ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks'' [[AuthorsSavingThrow addressed this]] by showing the rest of the school was similarly unforgiving [[ReformedButRejected in spite of her being genuinely reformed]], with even the principal taking potshots at her, and having her go through enough to ''earn'' her forgiveness, which earned her a lot of fans.
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** [[BigBad Sunset Shimmer]] from ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' transforming into a demon that brainwashed Canterlot High School and trying to ''murder'' those in her way was meant to come off as [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide the power she sought making her]] even worse than [[EvenEvilHasStandards she was normally willing to act]], hence her HeelFaceTurn after her defeat. However, the only thing supporting this - [[PetTheDog her unwillingness to harm Spike]] - was so insignificant compared to all of her [[KickTheDog abuse, bullying]], and AlphaBitch behavior throughout the movie that [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation many suspected she was faking the turn to get off easier]]. Not helping was a short one-shot comic showing she was like this even in her OriginStory. However, ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks'' [[AuthorsSavingThrow addressed this]] by showing the rest of the school was similarly unforgiving [[ReformedButRejected in spite of her being genuinely reformed]], with even the principal taking potshots at her, and having her go through enough to ''earn'' her forgiveness, which earned her a lot of fans. ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsFriendshipGames'' helped a bit more by pretty much confirming that as a demon, she had [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity gone insane]].
12th Jan '16 12:36:15 PM Zuxtron
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** [[BigBad Sunset Shimmer]] from ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' transforming into a demon that brainwashed Canterlot High School and trying to ''murder'' those in her way was meant to come off as [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide the power she sought making her]] even worse than [[EvenEvilHasStandards she was normally willing to act]], hence her HeelFaceTurn after her defeat. However, the only thing supporting this - [[PetTheDog her unwillingness to harm Spike]] - was so insignificant compared to all of her [[KickTheDog abuse, bullying]], and AlphaBitch behavior throughout the movie that [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation many suspected she was faking the turn to get off easier]]. Not helping was a short one-shot comic showing she was like this even in her OriginStory. ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks'' [[AuthorsSavingThrow addressed this]] by showing the rest of the school was similarly unforgiving [[ReformedButRejected in spite of her being genuinely reformed]], with even the principal taking potshots at her, and having her go through enough to ''earn'' her forgiveness. ** Starlight Glimmer in the Season 5 finale, since her FreudianExcuse was poor at best (losing a ''single'' friend in her childhood) while her actions were downright abominable (enslaving an entire town and warping time and space purely for vengeance against a single pony). Not helping her case was her abrupt HeelFaceTurn at the end (even fans who ''like'' her reformation admit this), and that her backstory is identical to Moondancer who was a ''far'' more likable and well-recieved character whose reconciliation with Twilight is considered one of, if not ''the'', finest moments of Season 5. Starlight was meant to be a BrokenBird who had been DrivenToVillainy and ultimately saw the light, but was seen and reviled by the majority of fans as a spoiled-rotten and childish KarmaHoudini who was forgiven ''way'' too easily for all the terrible things she did.
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** [[BigBad Sunset Shimmer]] from ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' transforming into a demon that brainwashed Canterlot High School and trying to ''murder'' those in her way was meant to come off as [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide the power she sought making her]] even worse than [[EvenEvilHasStandards she was normally willing to act]], hence her HeelFaceTurn after her defeat. However, the only thing supporting this - [[PetTheDog her unwillingness to harm Spike]] - was so insignificant compared to all of her [[KickTheDog abuse, bullying]], and AlphaBitch behavior throughout the movie that [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation many suspected she was faking the turn to get off easier]]. Not helping was a short one-shot comic showing she was like this even in her OriginStory. However, ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks'' [[AuthorsSavingThrow addressed this]] by showing the rest of the school was similarly unforgiving [[ReformedButRejected in spite of her being genuinely reformed]], with even the principal taking potshots at her, and having her go through enough to ''earn'' her forgiveness. forgiveness, which earned her a lot of fans. ** Starlight Glimmer in the Season 5 finale, since because her FreudianExcuse was poor at best (losing a ''single'' friend in her childhood) childhood, and not even trying to keep in touch with him) while her actions were downright abominable (enslaving an entire town in comparison: in the season 5 premiere, she created a brutal dictatorship/cult where her followers are enslaved, brainwashed, and warping have their talents forcibly suppressed, and using force to make the Mane 6 join them, while in the season finale, [[DisproportionateRetribution she travels through time and space purely for vengeance against a in order to get revenge against]] ''[[DisproportionateRetribution one]]'' [[DisproportionateRetribution single pony). pony]], causing [[BadFuture countless apocalyptic scenarios]] in the process. Not helping her case was her abrupt HeelFaceTurn at the end (even fans who ''like'' her reformation admit this), and that her backstory is almost identical to Moondancer Moondancer, who was a ''far'' more likable and well-recieved well-received character whose reconciliation with Twilight is considered one of, if not ''the'', finest moments of Season 5. Starlight was meant to be a BrokenBird who had been DrivenToVillainy and ultimately saw the light, but was seen and reviled by the majority of fans as a spoiled-rotten and childish KarmaHoudini who was forgiven ''way'' [[EasilyForgiven forgiven]] ''[[EasilyForgiven way]]'' [[EasilyForgiven too easily easily]] for all the terrible things she did.
11th Jan '16 1:10:09 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** The exact thing happened with Diamond Tiara herself in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E19CrusadersOfTheLostMark "Crusaders of the Lost Mark"]], which attempted to give her a FreudianExcuse by showing her [[AbusiveParents mother]] is constantly pressuring to be the best at everything. Diamond is portrayed as wanting to change for the better, but it goes against every single previous appearance where she shows asolutely zero shreds of remorse to the point of even making fun of Scootaloo for being disabled, coupled with the fact that her father was previously seen as a much more positive figure. This has resulted in people viewing her excuse as thinly veiled at best. It doesn't help with her pulling a HeelFaceTurn at the end and now becoming best friends with the Cutie Mark Crusaders, causing more than a few people to view her as nothing but an EasilyForgiven KarmaHoudini. ** [[BigBad Sunset Shimmer]] from ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' transforming into a demon that brainwashed Canterlot High School and trying to ''murder'' those in her way was meant to come off as [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide the power she sought making her]] [[EvenEvilHasStandards even worse then she was normally willing to act]], hence her HeelFaceTurn after her defeat. However, the only thing supporting this - [[PetTheDog her unwillingness to harm Spike]] - was so insignificant compared to all of her [[KickTheDog abuse, bullying]], and AlphaBitch behavior throughout the movie that [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation many suspected she was faking the turn to get off easier]]. Not helping was a short one-shot comic showing she was like this even in her OriginStory. ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks'' [[AuthorsSavingThrow addressed this]] by showing the rest of the school was similarly unforgiving [[ReformedButRejected in spite of her being genuinely reformed]], with even the principal taking potshots at her, and having her go through enough to ''earn'' her forgiveness.
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** The exact thing happened with Diamond Tiara herself in [[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS5E19CrusadersOfTheLostMark "Crusaders of the Lost Mark"]], which attempted to give her a FreudianExcuse by showing her [[AbusiveParents mother]] is constantly pressuring to be the best at everything. Diamond is portrayed as wanting to change for the better, but it [[AssPull goes against every single previous appearance appearance]] where she shows asolutely zero shreds of remorse to the point of even making fun of Scootaloo for being disabled, coupled with the fact that her father was previously seen as a much more positive figure. This has resulted in people viewing her excuse as thinly veiled at best.figure. It doesn't help with her pulling a HeelFaceTurn at the end and now becoming best friends with the Cutie Mark Crusaders, causing more than a few people to view her as nothing but an EasilyForgiven KarmaHoudini. ** [[BigBad Sunset Shimmer]] from ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirls'' transforming into a demon that brainwashed Canterlot High School and trying to ''murder'' those in her way was meant to come off as [[DrunkOnTheDarkSide the power she sought making her]] even worse than [[EvenEvilHasStandards even worse then she was normally willing to act]], hence her HeelFaceTurn after her defeat. However, the only thing supporting this - [[PetTheDog her unwillingness to harm Spike]] - was so insignificant compared to all of her [[KickTheDog abuse, bullying]], and AlphaBitch behavior throughout the movie that [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation many suspected she was faking the turn to get off easier]]. Not helping was a short one-shot comic showing she was like this even in her OriginStory. ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks'' [[AuthorsSavingThrow addressed this]] by showing the rest of the school was similarly unforgiving [[ReformedButRejected in spite of her being genuinely reformed]], with even the principal taking potshots at her, and having her go through enough to ''earn'' her forgiveness.
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