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18th Jan '17 10:18:01 PM KFrosty3
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* This is the problem with ComicBook/TheInhumans, especially in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' era that sees them at odds with the Franchise/XMen due to the Terrigen Mists. We're supposed to be sympathetic to the Inhumans because the Terrigen Mists are what activates the powers of Inhumans and losing the mist is essentially losing their powers. However, the mists are killing ALL mutants who happen to get caught in its path and need to figure out a way to solve this problem before they go extinct. Instead of trying to help the mutants contain the clouds safely or get rid of them, the Inhumans Royal Family actually does their best to keep the mist clouds alive, guns ready to shoot down anyone who tries to interfere. Even more so, this is all the fault of Inhumans member, Black Bolt, due to the events of ''ComicBook/{{Infinity}}''. This is taken to new levels in ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXMen'', where the mutants learn that the mists are saturating the Earth's atmosphere and they must do something about it. However, the Inhumans (and a few others) are telling them that their choices are to either lie down and die, leave Earth, or cure themselves of the X-Gene. [[FlatWhat What]].

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* This is the problem with ComicBook/TheInhumans, especially in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' era that sees them at odds with the Franchise/XMen due to the Terrigen Mists. We're supposed to be sympathetic to the Inhumans because the Terrigen Mists are what activates the powers of Inhumans and losing the mist is essentially losing forces them to lose their powers. However, the mists are killing ALL mutants who happen to get caught in its path and need the mutants are left trying to figure out a way to solve this problem before they go extinct. Instead of trying to help the mutants contain the clouds safely or get rid of them, the Inhumans Royal Family actually does their best to keep the mist clouds alive, guns ready to shoot down anyone who tries to interfere. Even more so, this is all the fault of Inhumans member, Black Bolt, due to the events of ''ComicBook/{{Infinity}}''. This is taken to new levels in ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXMen'', where the mutants learn that the mists are saturating the Earth's atmosphere and they must do something about it. However, the Inhumans (and a few others) are telling them that their choices are to either lie down and die, leave Earth, or cure themselves of the X-Gene. [[FlatWhat What]].
18th Jan '17 10:15:33 PM KFrosty3
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* This is the problem with ComicBook/TheInhumans, especially in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' era that sees them at odds with the Franchise/XMen due to the Terrigen Mists. The mists are killing mutants who happened to be caught in its path and the mutants are trying to figure out a way to solve this problem. However, we're also supposed to be sympathetic to the Inhumans because the Terrigen Mists are what activates the powers of Inhumans and losing them is essentially losing their livelihood. However, instead of doing anything about it, the Royal Family actually has a spaceship parked inside it, guns ready to shoot down anyone who tries to get near it. Even more so, this is all Black Bolt's fault due to the events of ''ComicBook/{{Infinity}}''. This is taken to new levels in ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXMen'', where the mutants learn that the mists are saturating the Earth and, soon, they must do something about it. However, the Inhumans and a few others are telling them that their choices are to either lie down and die, leave Earth or cure themselves of the X-Gene. [[FlatWhat What]].

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* This is the problem with ComicBook/TheInhumans, especially in the ''ComicBook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel'' era that sees them at odds with the Franchise/XMen due to the Terrigen Mists. The mists are killing mutants who happened to be caught in its path and the mutants are trying to figure out a way to solve this problem. However, we're also We're supposed to be sympathetic to the Inhumans because the Terrigen Mists are what activates the powers of Inhumans and losing them the mist is essentially losing their livelihood. powers. However, instead of doing anything about it, the mists are killing ALL mutants who happen to get caught in its path and need to figure out a way to solve this problem before they go extinct. Instead of trying to help the mutants contain the clouds safely or get rid of them, the Inhumans Royal Family actually has a spaceship parked inside it, does their best to keep the mist clouds alive, guns ready to shoot down anyone who tries to get near it. interfere. Even more so, this is all the fault of Inhumans member, Black Bolt's fault Bolt, due to the events of ''ComicBook/{{Infinity}}''. This is taken to new levels in ''ComicBook/InhumansVsXMen'', where the mutants learn that the mists are saturating the Earth and, soon, Earth's atmosphere and they must do something about it. However, the Inhumans and (and a few others others) are telling them that their choices are to either lie down and die, leave Earth Earth, or cure themselves of the X-Gene. [[FlatWhat What]].
13th Jan '17 8:08:48 PM QueenBEAUTY
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* Yusuke Kitagawa, one of your allies in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'', slips into this once he joins you. He's a talented young artist who had been raised by Madarame, his abusive mentor, since the age of three, and said mentor not only takes credit ''and'' the profits for his work, but he also [[spoiler:indirectly caused Yusuke's sickly mother to ''die.'']] Yusuke is anemic and poor because of all of this. That being said, once Madarame is out of the picture, any and all financial support that is offered to Yusuke (namely from a former disciple of Madarame's that offers to be his patron his Cooperation link) is rebuffed because Yusuke wants to be a [[StarvingArtist "true artist,"]] he continuously mooches off of his friends either for food or shelter (being genuinely surprised that, no, he simply ''can't'' stay with Ann Takamaki's family for free and on a whim despite having a scholarship and housing at his school), lacks the same need to [[TheAtoner help others]], claiming that he wants to be a Phantom Thief so he can find new subjects to paint in the other world (all of the other party members want to help others who were abused by their targets, and Madarame himself abused many), and [[NoSocialSkills has absolutely no social tact]]. Time will tell whether or not this will change, as a lot of his popularity stems from [[{{Bishonen}} his looks]] and [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} having his head in the clouds.]]
12th Jan '17 6:30:55 PM PKMN37
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* Bastian Balthazar Bux of [[Film/TheNeverEndingStory The NeverEnding Story 3]] infamy. Fantasia depends on him to save them but, unlike the previous two films, [[TookALevelInDumbAss he's now an incompetent,stupid, jackass]], who does nothing to find his friends that are lost in his world. He doesn't tell his dad about what's going on, even though he found out about it in the second movie, and acts [[TookALevelInJerkass like a jerk]] when his parents try to help and when he finds out his sister uses his magic wish medallion, [[NeverMyFault even though it was his fault for leaving it behind in the first place.]]

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* Bastian Balthazar Bux of [[Film/TheNeverEndingStory The NeverEnding Story 3]] infamy. Fantasia depends on him to save them but, unlike the previous two films, [[TookALevelInDumbAss he's now an incompetent,stupid, jackass]], [[DesignatedHero who does nothing to find his friends that are lost in his world.world]]. He doesn't tell his dad about what's going on, even though he found out about it in the second movie, and acts [[TookALevelInJerkass like a jerk]] when his parents try to help and when he finds out his sister uses his magic wish medallion, [[NeverMyFault even though it was his fault for leaving it behind in the first place.]]
12th Jan '17 6:25:29 PM PKMN37
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* Bastian Balthazar Bux of [[Film/TheNeverEndingStory The NeverEnding Story 3]] infamy. Fantasia depends on him to save them but, unlike the previous two films, [[TookALevelInDumbAss he's now an incompetent,stupid, jackass]], who does nothing to find his friends that are lost in his world. He doesn't tell his dad about what's going on, even though he found out about it in the second movie, and acts [[TookALevelInJerkass like a jerk]] when his parents try to help and when he finds out his sister uses his magic wish medallion, [[NeverMyFault even though it was his fault for leaving it behind in the first place.]]
12th Jan '17 5:30:47 AM system
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12th Jan '17 4:12:18 AM Whifflewaffle
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* [[KnightTemplar The Catalyst]] in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'' is probably one of the most extreme examples. Both his presentation and creator commentary pretty much indicate that he is intended to come across as some sort of AntiVillain who had to resort to ''extreme'' measures in order to accomplish its task (i.e., [[spoiler:he created the [[AFateWorseThanDeath Reapers]] in order to end organic-synthetic conflicts]]), and that [[spoiler:the choices he gives you at the end are meant to be similarly extremely morally ambiguous acts for the greater good]]. However, to many a fan, his [[InsaneTrollLogic reasoning is extremely nonsensical at best]], and at worst exemplifying utter [[{{Hypocrite}} hypocrisy]]. Furthermore, the choices he gives pretty much throw the whole theme of the franchise down the toilet. The Extended Cut fixes this slightly by allowing you to question the Catalyst's logic, and it becomes clear that it's more a case of AIIsACrapshoot. The ''Leviathan'' DLC expounds on this further when [[spoiler:you meet the Catalyst's creators and realize it really ''was'' just following its protocol; they just forgot to program it to [[GoneHorriblyRight not turn on them, too]]]]. It leaves a less sour taste in player's mouths than the original scene, but [[BrokenBase caused debate]] as to whether this was intended from the start or if this was an [[AuthorsSavingThrow retcon to placate the angry fanbase]].



** To some extent, Undyne and the monsters who try to kill you, assuming you're not doing a Genocide or a very violent Neutral run. The story treats any killing of a monster as something horrible... But plenty of these monsters are also actively trying to kill a child. While the YouBastard comments are accurate when it comes to the player, and while the extent to which the lack of sympathy those monsters might elicit is unintentional at least partly depends on the player (there are comments in a Pacifist run that compliment the player for their willingness to TurnTheOtherCheek), In-Universe those monsters don't know that the player exists and don't know that you can reset (except Flowey and [[spoiler:Sans]]). Therefore, and even if BlueAndOrangeMorality is often at play, most of the monsters seem surprisingly okay when they have to murder a child. Also, Undyne's words about how you're an "evil" force standing in the way of everyone's "hopes and dreams" lose a lot of their impact, especially in a Pacifist run, when you remember that she's saying it to a child. (And contrary to other monsters, she has seen Human History / Anime, so she probably knows the difference between an adult human and a child.) For an anime fan, she doesn't seem to realize that [[WouldHurtAChild hurting children]] is almost always a trait displayed by the villains. The fact that she remains hostile even after you spare her and even if you continue a Pacifist run (until you [[spoiler:befriend her]] of course) may also make Undyne lose some sympathy.

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** To some extent, Undyne and Which doesn't even account for the monsters as a whole. Despite the game trying to make you think they're merely victims of HumansAreTheRealMonsters, many of the monsters immediately try to murder an innocent child on sight, merely for being human. The game even has the audacity to establish that not all monsters are aware of how they've been killing humans by complete accident...expecting this to make the monsters ''sympathetic'', instead of [[FridgeLogic firmly establishing that none of the monsters care about innocent humans being killed]]. It even locks out you of the GoldenEnding if you ''refuse to make friends with the monsters who try to kill you, assuming you're not doing a Genocide or a very violent Neutral run. The story treats any killing of a monster as something horrible... But plenty of these monsters are also actively trying to kill a child. While the YouBastard comments are accurate when it comes to the player, and while the extent to which the lack of sympathy those monsters might elicit is unintentional at least partly depends on the player (there are comments in a Pacifist run that compliment the player for their willingness to TurnTheOtherCheek), In-Universe those monsters don't know that the player exists and don't know that you can reset (except Flowey and [[spoiler:Sans]]). Therefore, and even if BlueAndOrangeMorality is often at play, most of the monsters seem surprisingly okay when they have just tried to murder a child. Also, Undyne's words about how you're an "evil" force standing in the way of everyone's "hopes and dreams" lose a lot of their impact, especially in a Pacifist run, when you remember that she's saying it to a child. (And contrary to other monsters, she has seen Human History / Anime, so she probably knows the difference between an adult human and a child.) For an anime fan, she doesn't seem to realize that [[WouldHurtAChild hurting children]] is almost always a trait displayed by the villains. The fact that she remains hostile even after you spare her and even if you continue a Pacifist run (until you [[spoiler:befriend her]] of course) may also make Undyne lose some sympathy. you''.
11th Jan '17 5:42:46 AM HighCrate
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* The actions of Madame President Seraphina Picquery in ''Film/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem'' make her come off as rather unsympathetic to a lot of viewers, giving the image of an uncaring bureaucrat who values her career and her post first, despite her being a ReasonableAuthorityFigure at the end and only wanting what's best for MACUSA. Whether or not she was intended to be sympathetic or not is a pretty common fan debate.
10th Jan '17 3:50:44 PM Nicoaln
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* The actions of Madame President Seraphina Picquery in ''Film/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem'' make her come off as rather unsympathetic to a lot of viewers, giving the image of an uncaring bureaucrat who values her career and her post first, despite her being a ReasonableAuthorityFigure at the end and only wanting what's best for MACUSA. Whether or not she was intended to be sympathetic or not is a pretty common fan debate.
3rd Jan '17 4:31:22 AM PKMN37
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* Mary Bailey from Film/ItsAWonderfulLife can come off as this. George comes home, clearly distressed. Rather than ask him what's wrong and try to calm him down, she ignores the signs and continues to let him make an ass of himself. However, she does make up for it later by working with the townsfolk to gather money for him.

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* Mary Bailey from Film/ItsAWonderfulLife can come off as this.Film/ItsAWonderfulLife. George comes home, clearly distressed. Rather than ask him what's wrong and try to calm him down, she ignores the signs and continues to let him make an ass of himself. However, she does make up for it later by working with the townsfolk to gather money for him.
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