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11th Apr '16 7:46:48 AM rjd1922
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* Derek Savage's [[CantTakeCriticism actions towards his critics]] make the anti-bullying message of his film ''Film/CoolCatSavesTheKids'' very ironic.
6th Apr '16 10:59:55 AM rjd1922
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* The ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' series is about the romance between Ordinary High-School Student Bella Swan and a brooding, hundred-year-old vampire named Edward Cullen. While it wasn't written as a religious story, it attracted a large fandom among conservative Christians due to the chaste nature of the series, with Bella waiting until marriage before sleeping with Edward, though only because he forced her to, and choosing to give birth to her dhampir baby even in the face of it possibly killing her, and attempts by her husband, doctor, and best friend trying to force her to abort it. (The author, not coincidentally, is a devout Mormon.) It is still unknown how the final film in the series, ''Breaking Dawn Part 2'', was affected by the revelation that Creator/KristenStewart (who played Bella) cheated on her then-fiance Creator/RobertPattinson (who played Edward) with the director of her film ''Snow White and the Huntsman''.

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* The ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' series is about the romance between Ordinary High-School Student OrdinaryHighSchoolStudent Bella Swan and a brooding, hundred-year-old vampire named Edward Cullen. While it wasn't written as a religious story, it attracted a large fandom among conservative Christians due to the chaste nature of the series, with Bella waiting until marriage before sleeping with Edward, though only because he forced her to, and choosing to give birth to her dhampir baby even in the face of it possibly killing her, and attempts by her husband, doctor, and best friend trying to force her to abort it. (The author, not coincidentally, is a devout Mormon.) It is still unknown how the final film in the series, ''Breaking Dawn Part 2'', was affected by the revelation that Creator/KristenStewart (who played Bella) cheated on her then-fiance Creator/RobertPattinson (who played Edward) with the director of her film ''Snow White and the Huntsman''.
6th Apr '16 10:59:27 AM rjd1922
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* The ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' series is about the romance between Ordinary High-School Student Bella Swan and a brooding, hundred-year-old vampire named Edward Cullen. While it wasn't written as a religious story, it attracted a large fandom among conservative Christians due to the chaste nature of the series, with Bella waiting until marriage before sleeping with Edward, though only because he forced her to, and choosing to give birth to her dhampir baby even in the face of it possibly killing her, and attempts by her husband, doctor, and best friend trying to force her to abort it. (The author, not coincidentally, is a devout Mormon.) It is still unknown how the final film in the series, ''Breaking Dawn Part 2'', was affected by the revelation that Kristen Stewart (who played Bella) cheated on her then-fiance Robert Pattinson (who played Edward) with the director of her film ''Snow White and the Huntsman''.

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* The ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' series is about the romance between Ordinary High-School Student Bella Swan and a brooding, hundred-year-old vampire named Edward Cullen. While it wasn't written as a religious story, it attracted a large fandom among conservative Christians due to the chaste nature of the series, with Bella waiting until marriage before sleeping with Edward, though only because he forced her to, and choosing to give birth to her dhampir baby even in the face of it possibly killing her, and attempts by her husband, doctor, and best friend trying to force her to abort it. (The author, not coincidentally, is a devout Mormon.) It is still unknown how the final film in the series, ''Breaking Dawn Part 2'', was affected by the revelation that Kristen Stewart Creator/KristenStewart (who played Bella) cheated on her then-fiance Robert Pattinson Creator/RobertPattinson (who played Edward) with the director of her film ''Snow White and the Huntsman''.
6th Apr '16 10:56:09 AM rjd1922
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* The ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' series is about the romance between Ordinary High-School Student Bella Swan and a brooding, hundred-year-old vampire named Edward Cullen. While it wasn't written as a religious story, it attracted a large fandom among conservative Christians due to the chaste nature of the series, with Bella waiting until marriage before sleeping with Edward, though only because he forced her to, and choosing to give birth to her dhampir baby even in the face of it possibly killing her, and attempts by her husband, doctor, and best friend trying to force her to abort it. (The author, not coincidentally, is a devout Mormon.) It is still unknown how the final film in the series, Breaking Dawn Part 2, was affected by the revelation that Kristen Stewart (who played Bella) cheated on her then-fiance Robert Pattinson (who played Edward) with the director of her film Snow White and the Huntsman.

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* The ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' series is about the romance between Ordinary High-School Student Bella Swan and a brooding, hundred-year-old vampire named Edward Cullen. While it wasn't written as a religious story, it attracted a large fandom among conservative Christians due to the chaste nature of the series, with Bella waiting until marriage before sleeping with Edward, though only because he forced her to, and choosing to give birth to her dhampir baby even in the face of it possibly killing her, and attempts by her husband, doctor, and best friend trying to force her to abort it. (The author, not coincidentally, is a devout Mormon.) It is still unknown how the final film in the series, Breaking ''Breaking Dawn Part 2, 2'', was affected by the revelation that Kristen Stewart (who played Bella) cheated on her then-fiance Robert Pattinson (who played Edward) with the director of her film Snow ''Snow White and the Huntsman.Huntsman''.
6th Apr '16 10:54:18 AM rjd1922
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Life can be a bit of a tightrope walk for some actors, especially those appearing on children's television. Some fans have the unfortunate habit of mixing up the fictional entity with the real person who plays the fictional entity, and can get rather disappointed, [[FanDisillusionment rightly]] or [[FanDumb wrongly]], when their idols fall off of the pedestal. The companies producing the shows are aware of this, and sometimes hold their actors to nigh impossible moral standards, [[ContractualPurity punishing them for "crimes" such as trying to live a normal, adult life.]]

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Life can be a bit of a tightrope walk for some actors, especially those appearing on children's television. Some fans have the unfortunate habit of mixing up the fictional entity with the real person who plays the fictional entity, and can get rather disappointed, [[FanDisillusionment rightly]] or [[FanDumb wrongly]], when their idols fall off of the pedestal. The companies producing the shows are aware of this, and sometimes hold their actors to nigh impossible nigh-impossible moral standards, [[ContractualPurity punishing them for "crimes" such as trying to live a normal, adult life.]]



* ''AtlasShrugged'', being an Objectivist treatise, is all about how the markets will inevitably select the most skilled and deserving people. Despite this, the creators kept working to make the films despite each one flopping horribly in the box office, thereby ignoring the markets. As if that wasn't bad enough, they turned to Kickstarter to get the last one funded, breaking one of the central tenets of Objectivism by asking others for help instead of doing things themselves.
* The viciously anti-racism Downer Ending of the "Time Out" segment of Twilight Zone: The Movie wouldn't have happened, and the story would've ended up a tale of redemption, if the production team had been more careful around Vic Morrow, who actually did die trying to save a bunch of child actors from a crashing helicopter (and only failing to save two of them).

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* ''AtlasShrugged'', ''Film/AtlasShrugged'', being an Objectivist treatise, is all about how the markets will inevitably select the most skilled and deserving people. Despite this, the creators kept working to make the films despite each one flopping horribly in the box office, thereby ignoring the markets. As if that wasn't bad enough, they turned to Kickstarter to get the last one funded, breaking one of the central tenets of Objectivism by asking others for help instead of doing things themselves.
* The viciously anti-racism Downer Ending of the "Time Out" segment of Twilight Zone: The Movie ''Film/TwilightZoneTheMovie'' wouldn't have happened, and the story would've ended up a tale of redemption, if the production team had been more careful around Vic Morrow, who actually did die trying to save a bunch of child actors from a crashing helicopter (and only failing to save two of them).
2nd Mar '16 5:22:00 PM CountDorku
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* A lot of the we-don't-need-money-aren't-we-so-enlightened stuff in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' material made late in Gene Roddenberry's life had the critical problem that Roddenberry himself was a ruthless businessman who went so far as to write never-used lyrics for the theme song in order to get a cut of the royalties from it.
2nd Mar '16 5:18:52 PM CountDorku
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* The various [[AnAesop aesops]] in the work of Creator/AynRand rather suffered from Rand herself cheerfully making proclamations about what was and was not morally right that tended to contradict them. Collective action is wrong and you should never force decisions on others...unless Rand is telling you to vote for a specific Presidential candidate, in which case, everybody vote for that person. It's wrong to enrich one group at the expense of others...but the colonisation of the Americas was totally okay in every respect because they weren't capitalists. And so on.



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26th Feb '16 3:38:04 AM Hanz
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* In 2003, ''{{Marvel}}'' tried to get a lower import tax rate on their X-Men action figures by claiming that they were not dolls, but toys. U.S. tariff laws defined a "doll" as a figure representing a human, while a "toy" represents an animal or creature. So in summation, the crux of Marvel's argument was that the X-Men are not human, which directly opposes the main Aesop of the X-Men series. The judge ruled in their favour.

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* In 2003, ''{{Marvel}}'' ''Creator/MarvelComics'' tried to get a lower import tax rate on their X-Men action figures by claiming that they were not dolls, but toys. U.S. tariff laws defined a "doll" as a figure representing a human, while a "toy" represents an animal or creature. So in summation, the crux of Marvel's argument was that the X-Men are not human, which directly opposes the main Aesop of the X-Men series. The judge ruled in their favour.



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* The numerous corporate tie-ins to the Green Aesop film ''TheLorax''. He speaks for the trees, and Mazda!

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* The numerous corporate tie-ins to the Green Aesop film ''TheLorax''. ''Film/TheLorax''. He speaks for the trees, and Mazda!Mazda!
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* In ''{{Dreamgirls}}'', Effie White is the lead singer and most talented member of the Dreams, but their corrupt manager Curtis demotes her to backup singer in favor of Deena Jones, who is more marketable. This is unambiguously presented as a Jerk Ass move on Curtis's part, and it ruins Effie's life. Then, in the movie version of Dreamgirls, Jennifer Hudson played Effie, the lead character of the movie, but the studio designated her a "supporting actress" and gave top billing to Beyonce Knowles (playing Deena), who is more famous. Then again, Hudson won an Oscar for her performance (for Best Supporting Actress; had she been nominated for Lead Actress, she likely would have been blown out by Helen Mirren), while Knowles only got a Golden Globe nomination that most people assumed her manager father bought for her, so perhaps it averages out.

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* In ''{{Dreamgirls}}'', ''Film/{{Dreamgirls}}'', Effie White is the lead singer and most talented member of the Dreams, but their corrupt manager Curtis demotes her to backup singer in favor of Deena Jones, who is more marketable. This is unambiguously presented as a Jerk Ass move on Curtis's part, and it ruins Effie's life. Then, in the movie version of Dreamgirls, Jennifer Hudson played Effie, the lead character of the movie, but the studio designated her a "supporting actress" and gave top billing to Beyonce Knowles (playing Deena), who is more famous. Then again, Hudson won an Oscar for her performance (for Best Supporting Actress; had she been nominated for Lead Actress, she likely would have been blown out by Helen Mirren), while Knowles only got a Golden Globe nomination that most people assumed her manager father bought for her, so perhaps it averages out.



* ''ExtremeMakeoverHomeEdition'' ran into a snag when two cohabiting families for whom they had built a massive house began fighting, causing the larger, adopted family to move out. ABC legally washed its hands of any responsibility.

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* ''ExtremeMakeoverHomeEdition'' ''Series/ExtremeMakeoverHomeEdition'' ran into a snag when two cohabiting families for whom they had built a massive house began fighting, causing the larger, adopted family to move out. ABC legally washed its hands of any responsibility.



* A similar situation happened with all of the "car improvement" shows such as ''PimpMyRide.'' An article in TV Guide once followed up on some of the show's more memorable cases. They found that quite a few of the kids were encountering serious financial problems thanks to it. The kids, who are often driving these old, beat-up cars because they're broke and that's all they can afford, found that their insurance rate went through the roof after Xzibit and Co. got a hold of them. Possibly adding to it, all of the extra things they added into the car had to have ruined their gas mileage as well.

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* A similar situation happened with all of the "car improvement" shows such as ''PimpMyRide.''Series/PimpMyRide.'' An article in TV Guide once followed up on some of the show's more memorable cases. They found that quite a few of the kids were encountering serious financial problems thanks to it. The kids, who are often driving these old, beat-up cars because they're broke and that's all they can afford, found that their insurance rate went through the roof after Xzibit and Co. got a hold of them. Possibly adding to it, all of the extra things they added into the car had to have ruined their gas mileage as well.



* A contestant (college girl) on ''DealOrNoDeal'' was described as loving the color lime green. So, they switched all the lights in the theater to lime green, and the models' dresses were lime green, and the contestant squeed. She talked a little about her sizable debts, and hoped to win enough to pay them off. Well, her third offer was a totally tripped out lime green cadillac escalade worth $87,000. Truly an impressive automobile. She took the deal, but no follow up was ever done about where she got the money to pay the taxes or much, much higher insurance on that vehicle to say nothing of the sizable debts she already had. (But it was ''lime green!'')

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* A contestant (college girl) on ''DealOrNoDeal'' ''Series/DealOrNoDeal'' was described as loving the color lime green. So, they switched all the lights in the theater to lime green, and the models' dresses were lime green, and the contestant squeed. She talked a little about her sizable debts, and hoped to win enough to pay them off. Well, her third offer was a totally tripped out lime green cadillac escalade worth $87,000. Truly an impressive automobile. She took the deal, but no follow up was ever done about where she got the money to pay the taxes or much, much higher insurance on that vehicle to say nothing of the sizable debts she already had. (But it was ''lime green!'')



* Notably averted by Fred Rogers of ''MisterRogersNeighborhood'', who really was as wholesome and benevolent as the show made him out to be. No matter what the internet would have you believe. He really was.
* Averted on ''That70sShow'' when actor Tommy Chong was sentenced to prison time as part of a Federal crackdown on businesses selling bongs. Tommy Chong feared he would lose his role on the program, but the producers reassured him that he had been cast as an aging hippie in part because of his drugged-out comedy persona in the first place, and actually doing time for marijuana related charges would not affect his place in the cast.
* A weird one with ''TwoAndAHalfMen''. Instead of the actor engaging in depravity, one actor has become a Christian and denounced the show. In November 2012, a newly Christian Angus T. Jones urged viewers not to watch his show because it was full of "filth". On other occasions, he has told the Seventh Day Adventist church that he no longer feels comfortable on his show because it does not promote God.
* Aaron Sorkin's show ''Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'' was essentially a season-long Take That at modern network TV, arguing that the American people don't really want to watch poorly-written schlock and trashy reality TV and that all the networks would need to win their affection would be to give them quality product and stop dumbing everything down for them. Specific examples of what networks ought to do were provided by a screenwriter character who was clearly an Author Avatar for Sorkin and an In-Universe proposal to do a TV series set at the U.N. that bore many similarities to Sorkin's previous show The West Wing. The counter-argument? Well, Studio 60 ended up getting cancelled two-thirds of the way through its first season. Why? Horrible, ''horrible'' ratings.
* One of Frankie Boyle's jokes on ''MockTheWeek'' had him talking about how he'd heard that the women in government were there to be window dressing. He then said "where on Earth would those women be considered window dressing? The London Dungeon?". Anyone who's ever been to the London Dungeon and met the women normally employed there....that joke could be taken as a compliment now.
* The current state of affairs on the Korean peninsula, what with South Korea being a prosperous democracy and North Korea being a totalitarian hellhole of starvation, has kind of undermined MASH's whole thesis that U.S. intervention in the Korean War accomplished nothing and North Korea wasn't really that bad anyway. Granted, no one could have known the two Koreas would turn out that way at the time the show was made, to say nothing of when the war actually took place. In the 1970s, both Koreas were poverty-stricken dictatorships and North Korea was actually slightly better off economically. Still, it's now very jarring to see our heroes acting like anyone who isn't okay with North Korea is either a racist or paranoid about commies.
* The TVLand series Younger is about a forty-year-old woman lying about her age and pretending to be in her twenties to find a job. As such, the show has made a few digs at the fact that modern society favors younger employees over older, more experienced ones. Noble intentions, but the problem is, the show's publicity push spent as much time (if not more) trumpeting the fact that the show was twenty-something Hilary Duff's return to TV as it did focusing on the star, forty-year-old two-time Tony winner Sutton Foster.

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* Notably averted by Fred Rogers of ''MisterRogersNeighborhood'', ''Series/MisterRogersNeighborhood'', who really was as wholesome and benevolent as the show made him out to be. No matter what the internet would have you believe. He really was.
* Averted on ''That70sShow'' ''Series/That70sShow'' when actor Tommy Chong was sentenced to prison time as part of a Federal crackdown on businesses selling bongs. Tommy Chong feared he would lose his role on the program, but the producers reassured him that he had been cast as an aging hippie in part because of his drugged-out comedy persona in the first place, and actually doing time for marijuana related charges would not affect his place in the cast.
* A weird one with ''TwoAndAHalfMen''.''Series/TwoAndAHalfMen''. Instead of the actor engaging in depravity, one actor has become a Christian and denounced the show. In November 2012, a newly Christian Angus T. Jones urged viewers not to watch his show because it was full of "filth". On other occasions, he has told the Seventh Day Adventist church that he no longer feels comfortable on his show because it does not promote God.
* Aaron Sorkin's show ''Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'' ''Series/Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'' was essentially a season-long Take That at modern network TV, arguing that the American people don't really want to watch poorly-written schlock and trashy reality TV and that all the networks would need to win their affection would be to give them quality product and stop dumbing everything down for them. Specific examples of what networks ought to do were provided by a screenwriter character who was clearly an Author Avatar for Sorkin and an In-Universe proposal to do a TV series set at the U.N. that bore many similarities to Sorkin's previous show The West Wing. The counter-argument? Well, Studio 60 ended up getting cancelled two-thirds of the way through its first season. Why? Horrible, ''horrible'' ratings.
* One of Frankie Boyle's jokes on ''MockTheWeek'' ''Series/MockTheWeek'' had him talking about how he'd heard that the women in government were there to be window dressing. He then said "where on Earth would those women be considered window dressing? The London Dungeon?". Anyone who's ever been to the London Dungeon and met the women normally employed there....that joke could be taken as a compliment now.
* The current state of affairs on the Korean peninsula, what with South Korea being a prosperous democracy and North Korea being a totalitarian hellhole of starvation, has kind of undermined MASH's Series/{{MASH}}'s whole thesis that U.S. intervention in the Korean War accomplished nothing and North Korea wasn't really that bad anyway. Granted, no one could have known the two Koreas would turn out that way at the time the show was made, to say nothing of when the war actually took place. In the 1970s, both Koreas were poverty-stricken dictatorships and North Korea was actually slightly better off economically. Still, it's now very jarring to see our heroes acting like anyone who isn't okay with North Korea is either a racist or paranoid about commies.
* The TVLand TV Land series Younger is about a forty-year-old woman lying about her age and pretending to be in her twenties to find a job. As such, the show has made a few digs at the fact that modern society favors younger employees over older, more experienced ones. Noble intentions, but the problem is, the show's publicity push spent as much time (if not more) trumpeting the fact that the show was twenty-something Hilary Duff's return to TV as it did focusing on the star, forty-year-old two-time Tony winner Sutton Foster.



* ''MichaelJackson's'' reputation as a true eccentric was seen for years as just a funny bunch of quirks that his genuine talent and extensive charity work, especially with children, balanced out. Then he was accused of molesting a young, male friend in 1993. He settled a civil suit out-of-court (and made a payout to a maid who had similar claims regarding her son) and supporters claim the evidence against him was sketchy all along, but his career was never quite the same; a second round of child molestation accusations that resulted in a court trial came along in 2003. While he was declared not guilty in 2005, his career never even approached his former heights until he died, at which time his popularity again rose and it became risky to say anything about his checkered past. Even then, the Drugs Are Bad theme in his film {{Moonwalker}} is soured by the revelation that he was a prescription drug addict for decades, as that was how he died.

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* ''MichaelJackson's'' ''Music/MichaelJackson's'' reputation as a true eccentric was seen for years as just a funny bunch of quirks that his genuine talent and extensive charity work, especially with children, balanced out. Then he was accused of molesting a young, male friend in 1993. He settled a civil suit out-of-court (and made a payout to a maid who had similar claims regarding her son) and supporters claim the evidence against him was sketchy all along, but his career was never quite the same; a second round of child molestation accusations that resulted in a court trial came along in 2003. While he was declared not guilty in 2005, his career never even approached his former heights until he died, at which time his popularity again rose and it became risky to say anything about his checkered past. Even then, the Drugs Are Bad theme in his film {{Moonwalker}} is soured by the revelation that he was a prescription drug addict for decades, as that was how he died.



* Brian May of ''{{Queen}}'' felt uncomfortable about the closeted Freddie Mercury writing a gay anthem like "Body Language" from Hot Space in 1982, not so much due to Freddie's sexuality as fearing it would alienate the straight Queen fans.

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* Brian May of ''{{Queen}}'' ''Music/{{Queen}}'' felt uncomfortable about the closeted Freddie Mercury writing a gay anthem like "Body Language" from Hot Space in 1982, not so much due to Freddie's sexuality as fearing it would alienate the straight Queen fans.



* Comedian ''JimmyCarr'' performed a sketch on 10 O'Clock Live that satirised the tax avoidance of Barclays Banks. A few months later, it emerged that Carr was himself party to a K2 tax avoidance scheme.

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* Comedian ''JimmyCarr'' ''Creator/JimmyCarr'' performed a sketch on 10 O'Clock Live that satirised the tax avoidance of Barclays Banks. A few months later, it emerged that Carr was himself party to a K2 tax avoidance scheme.
23rd Jan '16 8:28:10 PM nombretomado
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* The Team Achilles spin-off of ''{{Stormwatch}}'' was cancelled after writer Micah Ian Wright was discovered to have grossly exaggerated his claimed military experience. The controversy was especially severe due to Wright's anti-Iraq-War activism, which he had used his alleged past to give greater weight to.

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* The Team Achilles spin-off of ''{{Stormwatch}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Stormwatch}}'' was cancelled after writer Micah Ian Wright was discovered to have grossly exaggerated his claimed military experience. The controversy was especially severe due to Wright's anti-Iraq-War activism, which he had used his alleged past to give greater weight to.
19th Jan '16 5:38:07 AM RippenFan33
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** Main/{{WrestleCrap}} brought up another one; when interviewed on [[Wrestling/SteveAustin Stone Cold's]] podcast, Wrestling/TripleH was asked why Wrestling/{{Chyna}} has never been inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame, despite being a big part of the Attitude Era, with him replying it was due to her being a porn actress and WWE not wishing to be associated with that. However, as the writer pointed out, Sunny is in the Hall of Fame and she did/has done porn, and Jimmy Snuka (possibly) murdered someone, so he comes off looking like a hypocrite.
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