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12th Jun '17 9:23:05 AM Jgorgon
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* An example that tainted an entire medium: in 1954 Australian comic-book writer/artist Len Lawson was convicted of raping several models. The resulting scandal tied in with the influence on Australia of the US anti-comics backlash to virtually destroy the country's home-grown comics industry except for the most inoffensive of children's publications. (As a sad postscript, when Lawson was released from prison, he soon sadistically murdered two more women, and was sent back to prison for life.)

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* An example that tainted an entire medium: in 1954 Australian comic-book writer/artist Len Lawson was convicted of raping several models. The resulting scandal tied in with the influence on Australia of the US anti-comics backlash to virtually destroy the country's home-grown comics industry except for the most inoffensive of children's publications. (As a sad postscript, when Lawson was released from prison, he soon sadistically murdered two more women, and was sent back to prison for life.)
12th Jun '17 9:21:57 AM Jgorgon
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* In 2003, ''Creator/MarvelComics'' tried to get a lower import tax rate on their X-Men action figures by claiming that they were not dolls, but toys. U.S. tariff laws defined a "doll" as a figure representing a human, while a "toy" represents an animal or creature. So in summation, the crux of Marvel's argument was that the X-Men are not human, which directly opposes the main Aesop of the X-Men series. The judge ruled in their favour.
16th May '17 8:18:36 PM AnotherGuy
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* In the film (1970) and first seasons of ''Series/{{MASH}}'' (1972-73), the UsefulNotes/KoreanWar was of course a metaphor for the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. After the USA lost the war in 1975, with the annexation of the south by the north, the series stopped pushing the metaphor quite so hard. However, today it's risible to even imagine taking the early seasons' face-value message that U.S. intervention in the Korean War accomplished nothing and North Korea wasn't really that bad anyway seriously. Granted, no one could have known the two Koreas would turn out that way at the time the show was made, to say nothing of when the war actually took place - in the 1970s, both Koreas were poverty-stricken dictatorships. Still, it's now very jarring to see our heroes acting like anyone who isn't okay with North Korea is either a racist or paranoid about commies.

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* In the film (1970) and first seasons of ''Series/{{MASH}}'' (1972-73), the UsefulNotes/KoreanWar was of course a metaphor for the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. After the USA lost the war in 1975, with the annexation of the south by the north, the series stopped pushing the metaphor quite so hard. However, today it's risible to even imagine taking the early seasons' face-value message that U.S. intervention in the Korean War accomplished nothing and North Korea wasn't really that bad anyway seriously. Granted, no one could have known the two Koreas would turn out that way at the time the show was made, to say nothing of when the war actually took place - in the 1970s, both Koreas were poverty-stricken dictatorships. Still, it's now very jarring to see our heroes acting like anyone who isn't okay It must be noted that the racism in the show was directed at ''all'' Koreans, what with North Korea is either a racist or paranoid about commies.Burns calling them "foreigners" (in their own country!)
2nd May '17 2:41:15 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Wrestling/ToughEnough has a lot less success stories because of this trope. The premise of the show was having ordinary people off the street train to become wrestlers in a span of two months or so. In reality, it takes years to get decent enough to wrestle on TV, as opposed to a matter of weeks. As such any winners of the show would be too green to get any kind of meaningful push. The only people from the show to have any real success were in the company for several years by then, long after momentum from the show had dissipated. It's to the point that people forget that Wrestling/JohnMorrison, the most successful winner (and the second must successful alumnus of TE, after Wrestling/TheMiz), was even on the show to begin with, let alone a winner.

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* Wrestling/ToughEnough Wrestling/WWEToughEnough has a lot less success stories because of this trope. The premise of the show was having ordinary people off the street train to become wrestlers in a span of two months or so. In reality, it takes years to get decent enough to wrestle on TV, as opposed to a matter of weeks. As such any winners of the show would be too green to get any kind of meaningful push. The only people from the show to have any real success were in the company for several years by then, long after momentum from the show had dissipated. It's to the point that people forget that Wrestling/JohnMorrison, the most successful winner (and the second must successful alumnus of TE, after Wrestling/TheMiz), was even on the show to begin with, let alone a winner.
2nd May '17 2:32:24 PM thecarolinabull01
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* The WWE Divas being touted as "Smart, Sexy and Powerful" gets undermined when you hear stories from many former Divas about how much pressure they were under to maintain their good looks 24/7 (Krissy Vaine got addicted to botox injections, Kristal Marshall became dangerously underweight), perfectly healthy women being told to lose weight (Rosa Mendes, Wrestling/MariaKanellis) and being hugely restricted by management in various areas Gail Kim claimed that one week they were told "no punching" and the next "no kicking". The knowledge of this makes the ones currently in the company seem like living Stepford Smilers.

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* The WWE Divas being touted as "Smart, Sexy and Powerful" gets undermined when you hear stories from many former Divas about how much pressure they were under to maintain their good looks 24/7 (Krissy Vaine got addicted to botox injections, Kristal Marshall became dangerously underweight), perfectly healthy women being told to lose weight (Rosa Mendes, (Wrestling/RosaMendes, Wrestling/MariaKanellis) and being hugely restricted by management in various areas Gail Kim claimed that one week they were told "no punching" and the next "no kicking". The knowledge of this makes the ones currently in the company seem like living Stepford Smilers.{{Stepford Smiler}}s.
23rd Apr '17 10:59:44 PM scooter
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8th Apr '17 4:41:50 AM SomeoneElse17
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8th Apr '17 4:40:19 AM SomeoneElse17
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* The WWE Divas being touted as "Smart, Sexy and Powerful" gets undermined when you hear stories from many former Divas about how much pressure they were under to maintain their good looks 24/7 (Krissy Vaine got addicted to botox injections, Kristal Marshall became dangerously underweight), perfectly healthy women being told to lose weight (Rosa Mendes, Maria Kanellis) and being hugely restricted by management in various areas - Gail Kim claimed that one week they were told "no punching" and the next "no kicking". The knowledge of this makes the ones currently in the company seem like living Stepford Smilers.
** In a curious flipside to the above point, it's something of a fun hobby for many fans to hate the so-called "model Divas" who were not trained on the indies and were offered WWE developmental contracts as they are assumed to be break-a-nail types that don't care about wrestling and only want a stepping stone to other forms of entertainment. This gets undermined when you hear the horror stories of vicious bullying many of these women received from other members of the roster - Amy Weber quit because Randy Orton found flyers from when she used to work at a strip club and posted them up all around the backstage area, Bobbi Billard was released after getting injured in developmental because the women training her (Ivory and Jacqueline) were deliberately going too hard on them. Add that to the knowledge above and the knowledge that a good portion of the girls were actually wrestling fans which is why they agreed to become wrestlers and people might feel a tad guilty for abusing them.
** ''Website/{{WrestleCrap}}'' brought up another one; when interviewed on Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin's podcast, Wrestling/TripleH was asked why Wrestling/{{Chyna}} has never been inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame, despite being a big part of the Attitude Era, with him replying it was due to her being a porn actress and WWE not wishing to be associated with that. However, as the writer pointed out, Sunny is in the Hall of Fame and she did/has done porn, and Jimmy Snuka (possibly) murdered someone, so he comes off looking like a hypocrite. In Hunter's defense, most of the Internet believe that he was lying -- the generally accepted reason as to why she has not been inducted into the Hall of Fame yet is because she couldn't be trusted with a live microphone.

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* The WWE Divas being touted as "Smart, Sexy and Powerful" gets undermined when you hear stories from many former Divas about how much pressure they were under to maintain their good looks 24/7 (Krissy Vaine got addicted to botox injections, Kristal Marshall became dangerously underweight), perfectly healthy women being told to lose weight (Rosa Mendes, Maria Kanellis) Wrestling/MariaKanellis) and being hugely restricted by management in various areas - Gail Kim claimed that one week they were told "no punching" and the next "no kicking". The knowledge of this makes the ones currently in the company seem like living Stepford Smilers.
** In a curious flipside to the above point, it's something of a fun hobby for many fans to hate the so-called "model Divas" who were not trained on the indies and were offered WWE developmental contracts as they are assumed to be break-a-nail types that don't care about wrestling and only want a stepping stone to other forms of entertainment. This gets undermined when you hear the horror stories of vicious bullying many of these women received from other members of the roster - Amy Weber quit because Randy Orton found flyers from when she used to work at a strip club and posted them up all around the backstage area, Bobbi Billard was released after getting injured in developmental because the women training her (Ivory and Jacqueline) were deliberately going too hard on them. Add that to the knowledge above and the knowledge that a good portion of the girls were actually wrestling fans which is why they agreed to become wrestlers and people might feel a tad guilty for abusing them.
** ''Website/{{WrestleCrap}}'' brought up another one; when interviewed on Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin's podcast, Wrestling/TripleH was asked why Wrestling/{{Chyna}} has never been inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame, despite being a big part of the Attitude Era, with him replying it was due to her being a porn actress and WWE not wishing to be associated with that. However, as the writer pointed out, Sunny is in the Hall of Fame and she did/has done porn, and Jimmy Snuka (possibly) murdered someone, so he comes off looking like a hypocrite. In Hunter's defense, most of the Internet believe that he was lying -- the generally accepted reason as to why she has not been inducted into the Hall of Fame yet is because she couldn't be trusted with a live microphone.




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5th Apr '17 6:59:33 PM BugsFan17
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* ''[[WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes The Bugs Bunny/Road Runner Movie]]'' features one scene in which WesternAnimation/BugsBunny shows that he has many "fathers," displaying a wall decorated with the directors responsible for his cartoons. A nice tribute, until, if you're a die-hard cartoon buff, you might realize that someone crucial to Bugs' development is missing. The reason is that the movie's director, Creator/ChuckJones, held a massive grudge toward Creator/BobClampett, his polar opposite in directing style, so he is the only famous Bugs director not on the wall. (Creator/FrankTashlin isn't either, but he only directed two Bugs cartoons).
8th Mar '17 10:16:05 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* Creator/AaronSorkin's show ''Series/Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'' was essentially a season-long Take That at modern network TV, arguing that the American people don't really want to watch poorly-written schlock and trashy reality TV and that all the networks would need to win their affection would be to give them quality product and stop dumbing everything down for them. Specific examples of what networks ought to do were provided by a screenwriter character who was clearly an Author Avatar for Sorkin and an In-Universe proposal to do a TV series set at the U.N. that bore many similarities to Sorkin's previous show The West Wing. The counter-argument? Well, Studio 60 ended up getting cancelled two-thirds of the way through its first season. Why? Horrible, ''horrible'' ratings.

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* Creator/AaronSorkin's show ''Series/Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'' was essentially a season-long Take That TakeThat at modern network TV, arguing that the American people don't really want to watch poorly-written schlock and trashy reality TV and that all the networks would need to win their affection would be to give them quality product and stop dumbing everything down for them. Specific examples of what networks ought to do were provided by a screenwriter character who was clearly an Author Avatar AuthorAvatar for Sorkin and an In-Universe proposal to do a TV series set at the U.N. that bore many similarities to Sorkin's previous show The West Wing. ''Series/TheWestWing''. The counter-argument? Well, Studio 60 ''Studio 60'' ended up getting cancelled two-thirds of the way through its first season. Why? Horrible, ''horrible'' ratings.



* In the film (1970) and first seasons of Series/{{MASH}} (1972-73), the UsefulNotes/KoreanWar was of course a metaphor for the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. After the USA lost the war in 1975, with the annexation of the south by the north, the series stopped pushing the metaphor quite so hard. However, today it's risible to even imagine taking the early seasons' face-value message that U.S. intervention in the Korean War accomplished nothing and North Korea wasn't really that bad anyway seriously. Granted, no one could have known the two Koreas would turn out that way at the time the show was made, to say nothing of when the war actually took place - in the 1970s, both Koreas were poverty-stricken dictatorships. Still, it's now very jarring to see our heroes acting like anyone who isn't okay with North Korea is either a racist or paranoid about commies.

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* In the film (1970) and first seasons of Series/{{MASH}} ''Series/{{MASH}}'' (1972-73), the UsefulNotes/KoreanWar was of course a metaphor for the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. After the USA lost the war in 1975, with the annexation of the south by the north, the series stopped pushing the metaphor quite so hard. However, today it's risible to even imagine taking the early seasons' face-value message that U.S. intervention in the Korean War accomplished nothing and North Korea wasn't really that bad anyway seriously. Granted, no one could have known the two Koreas would turn out that way at the time the show was made, to say nothing of when the war actually took place - in the 1970s, both Koreas were poverty-stricken dictatorships. Still, it's now very jarring to see our heroes acting like anyone who isn't okay with North Korea is either a racist or paranoid about commies.



* A lot of the we-don't-need-money-aren't-we-so-enlightened stuff in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' material made late in Creator/GeneRoddenberry's life had the critical problem that Roddenberry himself was a ruthless businessman who went so far as to write never-used lyrics for the theme song in order to get a cut of the royalties from it.
* Networks pulled reruns of ''TheCosbyShow'' after Creator/BillCosby had literally dozens of rape accusations against him. In fact, everyone's tried to avoid all entertainment with him as ''FatAlbertAndTheCosbyKids'' also disappeared from airwaves and it's pretty obvious Jell-O Pudding Pops won't be using him anymore.

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* A lot of the we-don't-need-money-aren't-we-so-enlightened stuff in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' material made late in Creator/GeneRoddenberry's life had the critical problem vision of a future moneyless utopia in ''Series/StarTrek'' falls rather flat when you learn that Roddenberry the man himself was a quite ruthless businessman who went so far as to write never-used businessman, pulling shady moves like writing completely irrelevant lyrics for to the show's theme song in order that were never intended to get a cut be used just so he could steal part of the royalties from composer's paycheck. Though you can still argue that the "idea" itself is more important than the flaws of the man behind it.
** Of course, the "moneyless society" concept was [[NewerThanTheyThink never part of the original series.]] The episodes with Harry Mudd and Cyrano Jones make it very clear that money ''does'' exist. The "we don't use money in the future" idea first appears decades later in a throwaway line in ''Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome,'' and frankly seems to just come out of the blue. It would be ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' that made it a central aspect of the setting.
* Networks pulled reruns of ''TheCosbyShow'' ''Series/TheCosbyShow'' after Creator/BillCosby had literally dozens of rape accusations against him. In fact, everyone's tried to avoid all entertainment with him as ''FatAlbertAndTheCosbyKids'' ''WesternAnimation/FatAlbertAndTheCosbyKids'' also disappeared from airwaves and it's pretty obvious Jell-O Pudding Pops won't be using him anymore.
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