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11th Jan '17 7:17:13 PM ErichoTOME
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* Subway commercials obviously aren't going to use Jared Fogle as their spokesman anymore seeing as how he found guilty of pedophilia.

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* Subway commercials obviously aren't going to use Jared Fogle as their spokesman anymore seeing as how he was found guilty of pedophilia.
11th Jan '17 7:15:24 PM ErichoTOME
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* Subway commercials obviously aren't going to use Jared Fogle as their spokesman anymore seeing as how he found guilty of pedophilia.
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* Networks pulled reruns of ''TheCosbyShow'' after Creator/BillCosby had literally dozens of rape accusations against him.

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* Networks pulled reruns of ''TheCosbyShow'' after Creator/BillCosby had literally dozens of rape accusations against him. In fact, everyone's tried to avoid all entertainment with him as ''FatAlbertAndTheCosbyKids'' also disappeared from airwaves and it's pretty obvious Jell-O Pudding Pops won't be using him anymore.
11th Jan '17 7:07:53 PM ErichoTOME
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* Networks pulled reruns of ''TheCosbyShow'' after Creator/BillCosby had literally dozens of rape accusations against him.
11th Jan '17 8:22:41 AM AnotherGuy
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* The numerous corporate tie-ins to the Green Aesop film ''Film/TheLorax''. He speaks for the trees, and Mazda!

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* The numerous corporate tie-ins to the Green Aesop film ''Film/TheLorax''. He speaks for the trees, and Mazda!Mazda - it claimed to be ecologically friendly, but it turned out that it was ''worse'' than some cars at pollution! In the film itself, Ted spins donuts in his ''motor acooter'', which is spewing out smoke, instead of just stopping and waiting for his love interest.
11th Jan '17 8:18:49 AM AnotherGuy
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* ''Film/VIvaKnievel'' revolved around the idea that Evel Knievel was a Christ-like motorcycle jumper who easily forgave everyone who wronged him. Less than a year later, Knievel was arrested for attacking Shelley Saltman with an aluminum baseball bat for writing an unflattering biography, repeatedly hitting him with it and breaking his arm. He spent six months in jail, Saltman won almost $13M in a lawsuit, and Knievel became a ''persona non grata'', his career abruptly over.

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* ''Film/VIvaKnievel'' ''Film/VivaKnievel'' revolved around the idea that Evel Knievel was a Christ-like motorcycle jumper who easily forgave everyone who wronged him. Less than a year later, Knievel was arrested for attacking Shelley Saltman with an aluminum baseball bat for writing an unflattering biography, repeatedly hitting him with it and breaking his arm. He spent six months in jail, Saltman won almost $13M in a lawsuit, and Knievel became a ''persona non grata'', his career abruptly over.
11th Jan '17 8:17:14 AM AnotherGuy
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* ''Film/VIvaKnievel'' revolved around the idea that Evel Knievel was a Christ-like motorcycle jumper who easily forgave everyone who wronged him. Less than a year later, Knievel was arrested for attacking Shelley Saltman with an aluminum baseball bat for writing an unflattering biography, repeatedly hitting him with it and breaking his arm. He spent six months in jail, Saltman won almost $13M in a lawsuit, and Knievel became a ''persona non grata'', his career abruptly over.
21st Nov '16 10:29:10 AM CumbersomeTercel
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** There's a reverse problem for gay actors. They no longer have to hide their sexuality to work - but it can be difficult or impossible for them to secure non-homosexual roles. (Of course, some Straight Gays can have the problem of people insisting that they're not gay enough for certain roles, as is the case for John Barrowman when he tried to get a main part in Will and Grace.)
* Notably averted by Fred Rogers of ''Series/MisterRogersNeighborhood'', who really was as wholesome and benevolent as the show made him out to be. No matter what the internet would have you believe. He really was.

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** There's a reverse problem for gay actors. They no longer have to hide their sexuality to work - but it can be difficult or impossible for them to secure non-homosexual roles. (Of course, some Straight Gays can have the problem of people insisting that they're not gay enough for certain roles, as is the case for John Barrowman Creator/JohnBarrowman when he tried to get a main part in Will and Grace.)
''Series/WillAndGrace'').
* Notably averted by Fred Rogers Creator/FredRogers of ''Series/MisterRogersNeighborhood'', who really was as wholesome and benevolent as the show made him out to be. No matter what the internet would have you believe. He really was.
21st Nov '16 10:28:00 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* The 2008 documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" saw its director Chris Bell challenge the "conventional wisdom" about the health risks of anabolic steroids, questioning doctors and lawmakers about the real health risks and grilling a father whose son committed suicide over whether steroids really were to blame. The film heavily featured Bell and his two brothers Mike and Mark, both of whom were active steroid users. Within less than a year, Mike Bell (a former WWE jobber) had committed suicide, and both were shown to be at a significantly elevated risk for heart disease due to their steroid use.

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* The 2008 documentary "Bigger, ''Bigger, Stronger, Faster" Faster'' saw its director Chris Bell challenge the "conventional wisdom" about the health risks of anabolic steroids, questioning doctors and lawmakers about the real health risks and grilling a father whose son committed suicide over whether steroids really were to blame. The film heavily featured Bell and his two brothers Mike and Mark, both of whom were active steroid users. Within less than a year, Mike Bell (a former WWE jobber) had committed suicide, and both were shown to be at a significantly elevated risk for heart disease due to their steroid use.



* Even the most venerable of children's shows can fall victim to this, as Blue Peter found out when presenter Richard Bacon was caught taking cocaine in 1999.
* The posthumous revelations of Jimmy Savile's crimes as one of the U.K.'s most prolific sex criminals has ruined the reputations of all the shows he helped present Top of the Pops, Clunk Click, and Jim'll Fix It were all aimed at children or teens, and he used them to find victims. The scope of his crimes, which he was never tried for in his lifetime, effectively undermined the ''entire BBC!''

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* Even the most venerable of children's shows can fall victim to this, as Blue Peter ''Series/BluePeter'' found out when presenter Richard Bacon was caught taking cocaine in 1999.
* The posthumous revelations of Jimmy Savile's Creator/JimmySavile's crimes as one of the U.K.'s most prolific sex criminals has ruined the reputations of all the shows he helped present Top of the Pops, Clunk Click, ''Series/TopOfThePops'', ''Clunk Click'', and Jim'll ''Jim'll Fix It It'' were all aimed at children or teens, and he used them to find victims. The scope of his crimes, which he was never tried for in his lifetime, effectively undermined the ''entire BBC!''



* Aaron Sorkin's show ''Series/Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'' was essentially a season-long Take That at modern network TV, arguing that the American people don't really want to watch poorly-written schlock and trashy reality TV and that all the networks would need to win their affection would be to give them quality product and stop dumbing everything down for them. Specific examples of what networks ought to do were provided by a screenwriter character who was clearly an Author Avatar for Sorkin and an In-Universe proposal to do a TV series set at the U.N. that bore many similarities to Sorkin's previous show The West Wing. The counter-argument? Well, Studio 60 ended up getting cancelled two-thirds of the way through its first season. Why? Horrible, ''horrible'' ratings.
* One of Frankie Boyle's jokes on ''Series/MockTheWeek'' had him talking about how he'd heard that the women in government were there to be window dressing. He then said "where on Earth would those women be considered window dressing? The London Dungeon?". Anyone who's ever been to the London Dungeon and met the women normally employed there... that joke could be taken as a compliment now.

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* Aaron Sorkin's Creator/AaronSorkin's show ''Series/Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'' was essentially a season-long Take That at modern network TV, arguing that the American people don't really want to watch poorly-written schlock and trashy reality TV and that all the networks would need to win their affection would be to give them quality product and stop dumbing everything down for them. Specific examples of what networks ought to do were provided by a screenwriter character who was clearly an Author Avatar for Sorkin and an In-Universe proposal to do a TV series set at the U.N. that bore many similarities to Sorkin's previous show The West Wing. The counter-argument? Well, Studio 60 ended up getting cancelled two-thirds of the way through its first season. Why? Horrible, ''horrible'' ratings.
* One of Frankie Boyle's Creator/FrankieBoyle's jokes on ''Series/MockTheWeek'' had him talking about how he'd heard that the women in government were there to be window dressing. He then said "where on Earth would those women be considered window dressing? The London Dungeon?". Anyone who's ever been to the London Dungeon and met the women normally employed there... that joke could be taken as a compliment now.



* The TV Land series Younger is about a forty-year-old woman lying about her age and pretending to be in her twenties to find a job. As such, the show has made a few digs at the fact that modern society favors younger employees over older, more experienced ones. Noble intentions, but the problem is, the show's publicity push spent as much time (if not more) trumpeting the fact that the show was twenty-something Hilary Duff's return to TV as it did focusing on the star, forty-year-old two-time Tony winner Sutton Foster.
* A lot of the we-don't-need-money-aren't-we-so-enlightened stuff in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' material made late in Gene Roddenberry's life had the critical problem that Roddenberry himself was a ruthless businessman who went so far as to write never-used lyrics for the theme song in order to get a cut of the royalties from it.

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* The TV Land series Younger ''Younger'' is about a forty-year-old woman lying about her age and pretending to be in her twenties to find a job. As such, the show has made a few digs at the fact that modern society favors younger employees over older, more experienced ones. Noble intentions, but the problem is, the show's publicity push spent as much time (if not more) trumpeting the fact that the show was twenty-something Hilary Duff's return to TV as it did focusing on the star, forty-year-old two-time Tony winner Sutton Foster.
* A lot of the we-don't-need-money-aren't-we-so-enlightened stuff in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' material made late in Gene Roddenberry's Creator/GeneRoddenberry's life had the critical problem that Roddenberry himself was a ruthless businessman who went so far as to write never-used lyrics for the theme song in order to get a cut of the royalties from it.



* Brian May of ''Music/{{Queen}}'' felt uncomfortable about the closeted Freddie Mercury writing a gay anthem like "Body Language" from Hot Space in 1982, not so much due to Freddie's sexuality as fearing it would alienate the straight Queen fans.

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* Brian May of ''Music/{{Queen}}'' felt uncomfortable about the closeted Freddie Mercury Music/FreddieMercury writing a gay anthem like "Body Language" from Hot Space ''Music/HotSpace'' in 1982, not so much due to Freddie's sexuality as fearing it would alienate the straight Queen fans.
20th Nov '16 4:38:12 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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* In the film (1970) and first seasons of Series/{{MASH}} (1972-93), the UsefulNotes/KoreanWar was of course a metaphor for the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. After the USA lost the war in 1975, with the annexation of the south by the north, the series stopped pushing the metaphor quite so hard. However, today it's risible to even imagine taking the early seasons' face-value message that U.S. intervention in the Korean War accomplished nothing and North Korea wasn't really that bad anyway seriously. Granted, no one could have known the two Koreas would turn out that way at the time the show was made, to say nothing of when the war actually took place - in the 1970s, both Koreas were poverty-stricken dictatorships. Still, it's now very jarring to see our heroes acting like anyone who isn't okay with North Korea is either a racist or paranoid about commies.

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* In the film (1970) and first seasons of Series/{{MASH}} (1972-93), (1972-73), the UsefulNotes/KoreanWar was of course a metaphor for the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. After the USA lost the war in 1975, with the annexation of the south by the north, the series stopped pushing the metaphor quite so hard. However, today it's risible to even imagine taking the early seasons' face-value message that U.S. intervention in the Korean War accomplished nothing and North Korea wasn't really that bad anyway seriously. Granted, no one could have known the two Koreas would turn out that way at the time the show was made, to say nothing of when the war actually took place - in the 1970s, both Koreas were poverty-stricken dictatorships. Still, it's now very jarring to see our heroes acting like anyone who isn't okay with North Korea is either a racist or paranoid about commies.
7th Nov '16 8:26:05 PM CurledUpWithDakka
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When a show is actively preaching to its viewers, it's not unreasonable to expect the people doing the preaching to uphold the standards that they're promoting. If they ''don't''...well, then you've got the real life version of HolierThanThou, but with more air time. If the talk show marriage counsellor verbally abuses his wife, or the professional dog trainer ends up in court after his Rottweiler attacks a child, it's easy to understand why viewers might decide that they're better off ''not'' taking advice from these people.

The trope also applies to figures such as presenters when they themselves are being held up as role models, rather than a character that they portray. Those who front children's television shows have to be particularly careful about their real-life conduct -- there'll be red faces all round if it turns out that [[DepravedKidsShowHost the woman sternly warning children against the dangers of drugs is using some less-than-legal substances.]] It's not particularly fair that other entertainers, such as rock stars and soap actors, [[ControversyProofImage can get away with these things]] (and far more) while others are pilloried for it...but it's TruthInTelevision. If a builder or window cleaner gets into a violent brawl while off the job, their employers won't care as long as they can still do their jobs. If a teacher or doctor is found in the middle of a fight, however, their career could be on the line.

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When a show is actively preaching to its viewers, it's not unreasonable to expect the people doing the preaching to uphold the standards that they're promoting. If they ''don't''... well, then you've got the real life version of HolierThanThou, but with more air time. If the talk show marriage counsellor verbally abuses his wife, or the professional dog trainer ends up in court after his Rottweiler attacks a child, it's easy to understand why viewers might decide that they're better off ''not'' taking advice from these people.

The trope also applies to figures such as presenters when they themselves are being held up as role models, rather than a character that they portray. Those who front children's television shows have to be particularly careful about their real-life conduct -- there'll be red faces all round if it turns out that [[DepravedKidsShowHost the woman sternly warning children against the dangers of drugs is using some less-than-legal substances.]] It's not particularly fair that other entertainers, such as rock stars and soap actors, [[ControversyProofImage can get away with these things]] (and far more) while others are pilloried for it... but it's TruthInTelevision. If a builder or window cleaner gets into a violent brawl while off the job, their employers won't care as long as they can still do their jobs. If a teacher or doctor is found in the middle of a fight, however, their career could be on the line.



* The various [[AnAesop aesops]] in the work of Creator/AynRand rather suffered from Rand herself cheerfully making proclamations about what was and was not morally right that tended to contradict them. Collective action is wrong and you should never force decisions on others...unless Rand is telling you to vote for a specific Presidential candidate, in which case, everybody vote for that person. It's wrong to enrich one group at the expense of others...but the colonisation of the Americas was totally okay in every respect because they weren't capitalists. And so on.

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* The various [[AnAesop aesops]] in the work of Creator/AynRand rather suffered from Rand herself cheerfully making proclamations about what was and was not morally right that tended to contradict them. Collective action is wrong and you should never force decisions on others... unless Rand is telling you to vote for a specific Presidential candidate, in which case, everybody vote for that person. It's wrong to enrich one group at the expense of others... but the colonisation of the Americas was totally okay in every respect because they weren't capitalists. And so on.



* One of Frankie Boyle's jokes on ''Series/MockTheWeek'' had him talking about how he'd heard that the women in government were there to be window dressing. He then said "where on Earth would those women be considered window dressing? The London Dungeon?". Anyone who's ever been to the London Dungeon and met the women normally employed there....that joke could be taken as a compliment now.

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* One of Frankie Boyle's jokes on ''Series/MockTheWeek'' had him talking about how he'd heard that the women in government were there to be window dressing. He then said "where on Earth would those women be considered window dressing? The London Dungeon?". Anyone who's ever been to the London Dungeon and met the women normally employed there....there... that joke could be taken as a compliment now.
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