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8th Mar '17 10:16:05 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* Creator/AaronSorkin's show ''Series/Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'' was essentially a season-long Take That at modern network TV, arguing that the American people don't really want to watch poorly-written schlock and trashy reality TV and that all the networks would need to win their affection would be to give them quality product and stop dumbing everything down for them. Specific examples of what networks ought to do were provided by a screenwriter character who was clearly an Author Avatar for Sorkin and an In-Universe proposal to do a TV series set at the U.N. that bore many similarities to Sorkin's previous show The West Wing. The counter-argument? Well, Studio 60 ended up getting cancelled two-thirds of the way through its first season. Why? Horrible, ''horrible'' ratings.

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* Creator/AaronSorkin's show ''Series/Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'' was essentially a season-long Take That TakeThat at modern network TV, arguing that the American people don't really want to watch poorly-written schlock and trashy reality TV and that all the networks would need to win their affection would be to give them quality product and stop dumbing everything down for them. Specific examples of what networks ought to do were provided by a screenwriter character who was clearly an Author Avatar AuthorAvatar for Sorkin and an In-Universe proposal to do a TV series set at the U.N. that bore many similarities to Sorkin's previous show The West Wing. ''Series/TheWestWing''. The counter-argument? Well, Studio 60 ''Studio 60'' ended up getting cancelled two-thirds of the way through its first season. Why? Horrible, ''horrible'' ratings.



* In the film (1970) and first seasons of Series/{{MASH}} (1972-73), the UsefulNotes/KoreanWar was of course a metaphor for the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. After the USA lost the war in 1975, with the annexation of the south by the north, the series stopped pushing the metaphor quite so hard. However, today it's risible to even imagine taking the early seasons' face-value message that U.S. intervention in the Korean War accomplished nothing and North Korea wasn't really that bad anyway seriously. Granted, no one could have known the two Koreas would turn out that way at the time the show was made, to say nothing of when the war actually took place - in the 1970s, both Koreas were poverty-stricken dictatorships. Still, it's now very jarring to see our heroes acting like anyone who isn't okay with North Korea is either a racist or paranoid about commies.

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* In the film (1970) and first seasons of Series/{{MASH}} ''Series/{{MASH}}'' (1972-73), the UsefulNotes/KoreanWar was of course a metaphor for the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. After the USA lost the war in 1975, with the annexation of the south by the north, the series stopped pushing the metaphor quite so hard. However, today it's risible to even imagine taking the early seasons' face-value message that U.S. intervention in the Korean War accomplished nothing and North Korea wasn't really that bad anyway seriously. Granted, no one could have known the two Koreas would turn out that way at the time the show was made, to say nothing of when the war actually took place - in the 1970s, both Koreas were poverty-stricken dictatorships. Still, it's now very jarring to see our heroes acting like anyone who isn't okay with North Korea is either a racist or paranoid about commies.



* A lot of the we-don't-need-money-aren't-we-so-enlightened stuff in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' material made late in Creator/GeneRoddenberry's life had the critical problem that Roddenberry himself was a ruthless businessman who went so far as to write never-used lyrics for the theme song in order to get a cut of the royalties from it.
* Networks pulled reruns of ''TheCosbyShow'' after Creator/BillCosby had literally dozens of rape accusations against him. In fact, everyone's tried to avoid all entertainment with him as ''FatAlbertAndTheCosbyKids'' also disappeared from airwaves and it's pretty obvious Jell-O Pudding Pops won't be using him anymore.

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* A lot of the we-don't-need-money-aren't-we-so-enlightened stuff in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' material made late in Creator/GeneRoddenberry's life had the critical problem vision of a future moneyless utopia in ''Series/StarTrek'' falls rather flat when you learn that Roddenberry the man himself was a quite ruthless businessman who went so far as to write never-used businessman, pulling shady moves like writing completely irrelevant lyrics for to the show's theme song in order that were never intended to get a cut be used just so he could steal part of the royalties from composer's paycheck. Though you can still argue that the "idea" itself is more important than the flaws of the man behind it.
** Of course, the "moneyless society" concept was [[NewerThanTheyThink never part of the original series.]] The episodes with Harry Mudd and Cyrano Jones make it very clear that money ''does'' exist. The "we don't use money in the future" idea first appears decades later in a throwaway line in ''Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome,'' and frankly seems to just come out of the blue. It would be ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' that made it a central aspect of the setting.
* Networks pulled reruns of ''TheCosbyShow'' ''Series/TheCosbyShow'' after Creator/BillCosby had literally dozens of rape accusations against him. In fact, everyone's tried to avoid all entertainment with him as ''FatAlbertAndTheCosbyKids'' ''WesternAnimation/FatAlbertAndTheCosbyKids'' also disappeared from airwaves and it's pretty obvious Jell-O Pudding Pops won't be using him anymore.
24th Jan '17 10:39:28 AM DrY9K
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* The numerous corporate tie-ins to the Green Aesop film ''Film/TheLorax''. He speaks for the trees, and Mazda - it claimed to be ecologically friendly, but it turned out that it was ''worse'' than some cars at pollution! In the film itself, Ted spins donuts in his ''motor acooter'', which is spewing out smoke, instead of just stopping and waiting for his love interest.

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* The numerous corporate tie-ins to the Green Aesop film ''Film/TheLorax''. He speaks for the trees, and Mazda - it claimed to be ecologically friendly, but it turned out that it was ''worse'' than some cars at pollution! In the film itself, Ted spins donuts in his ''motor acooter'', scooter'', which is spewing out smoke, instead of just stopping and waiting for his love interest.
11th Jan '17 7:17:13 PM ErichoTOME
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* Subway commercials obviously aren't going to use Jared Fogle as their spokesman anymore seeing as how he found guilty of pedophilia.

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* Subway commercials obviously aren't going to use Jared Fogle as their spokesman anymore seeing as how he was found guilty of pedophilia.
11th Jan '17 7:15:24 PM ErichoTOME
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* Subway commercials obviously aren't going to use Jared Fogle as their spokesman anymore seeing as how he found guilty of pedophilia.
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* Networks pulled reruns of ''TheCosbyShow'' after Creator/BillCosby had literally dozens of rape accusations against him.

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* Networks pulled reruns of ''TheCosbyShow'' after Creator/BillCosby had literally dozens of rape accusations against him. In fact, everyone's tried to avoid all entertainment with him as ''FatAlbertAndTheCosbyKids'' also disappeared from airwaves and it's pretty obvious Jell-O Pudding Pops won't be using him anymore.
11th Jan '17 7:07:53 PM ErichoTOME
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* Networks pulled reruns of ''TheCosbyShow'' after Creator/BillCosby had literally dozens of rape accusations against him.
11th Jan '17 8:22:41 AM AnotherGuy
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* The numerous corporate tie-ins to the Green Aesop film ''Film/TheLorax''. He speaks for the trees, and Mazda!

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* The numerous corporate tie-ins to the Green Aesop film ''Film/TheLorax''. He speaks for the trees, and Mazda!Mazda - it claimed to be ecologically friendly, but it turned out that it was ''worse'' than some cars at pollution! In the film itself, Ted spins donuts in his ''motor acooter'', which is spewing out smoke, instead of just stopping and waiting for his love interest.
11th Jan '17 8:18:49 AM AnotherGuy
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* ''Film/VIvaKnievel'' revolved around the idea that Evel Knievel was a Christ-like motorcycle jumper who easily forgave everyone who wronged him. Less than a year later, Knievel was arrested for attacking Shelley Saltman with an aluminum baseball bat for writing an unflattering biography, repeatedly hitting him with it and breaking his arm. He spent six months in jail, Saltman won almost $13M in a lawsuit, and Knievel became a ''persona non grata'', his career abruptly over.

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* ''Film/VIvaKnievel'' ''Film/VivaKnievel'' revolved around the idea that Evel Knievel was a Christ-like motorcycle jumper who easily forgave everyone who wronged him. Less than a year later, Knievel was arrested for attacking Shelley Saltman with an aluminum baseball bat for writing an unflattering biography, repeatedly hitting him with it and breaking his arm. He spent six months in jail, Saltman won almost $13M in a lawsuit, and Knievel became a ''persona non grata'', his career abruptly over.
11th Jan '17 8:17:14 AM AnotherGuy
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* ''Film/VIvaKnievel'' revolved around the idea that Evel Knievel was a Christ-like motorcycle jumper who easily forgave everyone who wronged him. Less than a year later, Knievel was arrested for attacking Shelley Saltman with an aluminum baseball bat for writing an unflattering biography, repeatedly hitting him with it and breaking his arm. He spent six months in jail, Saltman won almost $13M in a lawsuit, and Knievel became a ''persona non grata'', his career abruptly over.
21st Nov '16 10:29:10 AM CumbersomeTercel
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** There's a reverse problem for gay actors. They no longer have to hide their sexuality to work - but it can be difficult or impossible for them to secure non-homosexual roles. (Of course, some Straight Gays can have the problem of people insisting that they're not gay enough for certain roles, as is the case for John Barrowman when he tried to get a main part in Will and Grace.)
* Notably averted by Fred Rogers of ''Series/MisterRogersNeighborhood'', who really was as wholesome and benevolent as the show made him out to be. No matter what the internet would have you believe. He really was.

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** There's a reverse problem for gay actors. They no longer have to hide their sexuality to work - but it can be difficult or impossible for them to secure non-homosexual roles. (Of course, some Straight Gays can have the problem of people insisting that they're not gay enough for certain roles, as is the case for John Barrowman Creator/JohnBarrowman when he tried to get a main part in Will and Grace.)
''Series/WillAndGrace'').
* Notably averted by Fred Rogers Creator/FredRogers of ''Series/MisterRogersNeighborhood'', who really was as wholesome and benevolent as the show made him out to be. No matter what the internet would have you believe. He really was.
21st Nov '16 10:28:00 AM CumbersomeTercel
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* The 2008 documentary "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" saw its director Chris Bell challenge the "conventional wisdom" about the health risks of anabolic steroids, questioning doctors and lawmakers about the real health risks and grilling a father whose son committed suicide over whether steroids really were to blame. The film heavily featured Bell and his two brothers Mike and Mark, both of whom were active steroid users. Within less than a year, Mike Bell (a former WWE jobber) had committed suicide, and both were shown to be at a significantly elevated risk for heart disease due to their steroid use.

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* The 2008 documentary "Bigger, ''Bigger, Stronger, Faster" Faster'' saw its director Chris Bell challenge the "conventional wisdom" about the health risks of anabolic steroids, questioning doctors and lawmakers about the real health risks and grilling a father whose son committed suicide over whether steroids really were to blame. The film heavily featured Bell and his two brothers Mike and Mark, both of whom were active steroid users. Within less than a year, Mike Bell (a former WWE jobber) had committed suicide, and both were shown to be at a significantly elevated risk for heart disease due to their steroid use.



* Even the most venerable of children's shows can fall victim to this, as Blue Peter found out when presenter Richard Bacon was caught taking cocaine in 1999.
* The posthumous revelations of Jimmy Savile's crimes as one of the U.K.'s most prolific sex criminals has ruined the reputations of all the shows he helped present Top of the Pops, Clunk Click, and Jim'll Fix It were all aimed at children or teens, and he used them to find victims. The scope of his crimes, which he was never tried for in his lifetime, effectively undermined the ''entire BBC!''

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* Even the most venerable of children's shows can fall victim to this, as Blue Peter ''Series/BluePeter'' found out when presenter Richard Bacon was caught taking cocaine in 1999.
* The posthumous revelations of Jimmy Savile's Creator/JimmySavile's crimes as one of the U.K.'s most prolific sex criminals has ruined the reputations of all the shows he helped present Top of the Pops, Clunk Click, ''Series/TopOfThePops'', ''Clunk Click'', and Jim'll ''Jim'll Fix It It'' were all aimed at children or teens, and he used them to find victims. The scope of his crimes, which he was never tried for in his lifetime, effectively undermined the ''entire BBC!''



* Aaron Sorkin's show ''Series/Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'' was essentially a season-long Take That at modern network TV, arguing that the American people don't really want to watch poorly-written schlock and trashy reality TV and that all the networks would need to win their affection would be to give them quality product and stop dumbing everything down for them. Specific examples of what networks ought to do were provided by a screenwriter character who was clearly an Author Avatar for Sorkin and an In-Universe proposal to do a TV series set at the U.N. that bore many similarities to Sorkin's previous show The West Wing. The counter-argument? Well, Studio 60 ended up getting cancelled two-thirds of the way through its first season. Why? Horrible, ''horrible'' ratings.
* One of Frankie Boyle's jokes on ''Series/MockTheWeek'' had him talking about how he'd heard that the women in government were there to be window dressing. He then said "where on Earth would those women be considered window dressing? The London Dungeon?". Anyone who's ever been to the London Dungeon and met the women normally employed there... that joke could be taken as a compliment now.

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* Aaron Sorkin's Creator/AaronSorkin's show ''Series/Studio60OnTheSunsetStrip'' was essentially a season-long Take That at modern network TV, arguing that the American people don't really want to watch poorly-written schlock and trashy reality TV and that all the networks would need to win their affection would be to give them quality product and stop dumbing everything down for them. Specific examples of what networks ought to do were provided by a screenwriter character who was clearly an Author Avatar for Sorkin and an In-Universe proposal to do a TV series set at the U.N. that bore many similarities to Sorkin's previous show The West Wing. The counter-argument? Well, Studio 60 ended up getting cancelled two-thirds of the way through its first season. Why? Horrible, ''horrible'' ratings.
* One of Frankie Boyle's Creator/FrankieBoyle's jokes on ''Series/MockTheWeek'' had him talking about how he'd heard that the women in government were there to be window dressing. He then said "where on Earth would those women be considered window dressing? The London Dungeon?". Anyone who's ever been to the London Dungeon and met the women normally employed there... that joke could be taken as a compliment now.



* The TV Land series Younger is about a forty-year-old woman lying about her age and pretending to be in her twenties to find a job. As such, the show has made a few digs at the fact that modern society favors younger employees over older, more experienced ones. Noble intentions, but the problem is, the show's publicity push spent as much time (if not more) trumpeting the fact that the show was twenty-something Hilary Duff's return to TV as it did focusing on the star, forty-year-old two-time Tony winner Sutton Foster.
* A lot of the we-don't-need-money-aren't-we-so-enlightened stuff in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' material made late in Gene Roddenberry's life had the critical problem that Roddenberry himself was a ruthless businessman who went so far as to write never-used lyrics for the theme song in order to get a cut of the royalties from it.

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* The TV Land series Younger ''Younger'' is about a forty-year-old woman lying about her age and pretending to be in her twenties to find a job. As such, the show has made a few digs at the fact that modern society favors younger employees over older, more experienced ones. Noble intentions, but the problem is, the show's publicity push spent as much time (if not more) trumpeting the fact that the show was twenty-something Hilary Duff's return to TV as it did focusing on the star, forty-year-old two-time Tony winner Sutton Foster.
* A lot of the we-don't-need-money-aren't-we-so-enlightened stuff in ''Franchise/StarTrek'' material made late in Gene Roddenberry's Creator/GeneRoddenberry's life had the critical problem that Roddenberry himself was a ruthless businessman who went so far as to write never-used lyrics for the theme song in order to get a cut of the royalties from it.



* Brian May of ''Music/{{Queen}}'' felt uncomfortable about the closeted Freddie Mercury writing a gay anthem like "Body Language" from Hot Space in 1982, not so much due to Freddie's sexuality as fearing it would alienate the straight Queen fans.

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* Brian May of ''Music/{{Queen}}'' felt uncomfortable about the closeted Freddie Mercury Music/FreddieMercury writing a gay anthem like "Body Language" from Hot Space ''Music/HotSpace'' in 1982, not so much due to Freddie's sexuality as fearing it would alienate the straight Queen fans.
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