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28th Jun '17 9:29:38 PM infernape612
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* ''Music/MichaelJackson's'' reputation as a true eccentric was seen for years as just a funny bunch of quirks that his genuine talent and extensive charity work, especially with children, balanced out. Then he was accused of molesting a young, male friend in 1993. He settled a civil suit out-of-court (and made a payout to a maid who had similar claims regarding her son) and supporters claim the evidence against him was sketchy all along, but his career was never quite the same; a second round of child molestation accusations that resulted in a court trial came along in 2003. While he was declared not guilty in 2005, his career never even approached his former heights until he died, at which time his popularity again rose and it became risky to say anything about his checkered past. Even then, the DrugsAreBad theme in his film ''Film/{{Moonwalker}}'' is soured by the revelation that he was a prescription drug addict for decades, as that was how he died.

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* ''Music/MichaelJackson's'' Music/MichaelJackson's reputation as a true eccentric was seen for years as just a funny bunch of quirks that his genuine talent and extensive charity work, especially with children, balanced out. Then he was accused of molesting a young, male friend in 1993. He settled a civil suit out-of-court (and made a payout to a maid who had similar claims regarding her son) and supporters claim the evidence against him was sketchy all along, but his career was never quite the same; a second round of child molestation accusations that resulted in a court trial came along in 2003. While he was declared not guilty in 2005, his career never even approached his former heights until he died, at which time his popularity again rose and it became risky to say anything about his checkered past. Even then, the DrugsAreBad theme in his film ''Film/{{Moonwalker}}'' is soured by the revelation that he was a prescription drug addict for decades, as that was how he died.
28th Jun '17 9:09:25 PM infernape612
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* Comedian ''Creator/JimmyCarr'' performed a sketch on 10 O'Clock Live that satirised the tax avoidance of Barclays Banks. A few months later, it emerged that Carr was himself party to a K2 tax avoidance scheme.

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* Comedian ''Creator/JimmyCarr'' Creator/JimmyCarr performed a sketch on 10 O'Clock Live that satirised the tax avoidance of Barclays Banks. A few months later, it emerged that Carr was himself party to a K2 tax avoidance scheme.
12th Jun '17 9:23:05 AM Jgorgon
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* An example that tainted an entire medium: in 1954 Australian comic-book writer/artist Len Lawson was convicted of raping several models. The resulting scandal tied in with the influence on Australia of the US anti-comics backlash to virtually destroy the country's home-grown comics industry except for the most inoffensive of children's publications. (As a sad postscript, when Lawson was released from prison, he soon sadistically murdered two more women, and was sent back to prison for life.)

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* An example that tainted an entire medium: in 1954 Australian comic-book writer/artist Len Lawson was convicted of raping several models. The resulting scandal tied in with the influence on Australia of the US anti-comics backlash to virtually destroy the country's home-grown comics industry except for the most inoffensive of children's publications. (As a sad postscript, when Lawson was released from prison, he soon sadistically murdered two more women, and was sent back to prison for life.)
12th Jun '17 9:21:57 AM Jgorgon
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* In 2003, ''Creator/MarvelComics'' tried to get a lower import tax rate on their X-Men action figures by claiming that they were not dolls, but toys. U.S. tariff laws defined a "doll" as a figure representing a human, while a "toy" represents an animal or creature. So in summation, the crux of Marvel's argument was that the X-Men are not human, which directly opposes the main Aesop of the X-Men series. The judge ruled in their favour.
16th May '17 8:18:36 PM AnotherGuy
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* In the film (1970) and first seasons of ''Series/{{MASH}}'' (1972-73), the UsefulNotes/KoreanWar was of course a metaphor for the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. After the USA lost the war in 1975, with the annexation of the south by the north, the series stopped pushing the metaphor quite so hard. However, today it's risible to even imagine taking the early seasons' face-value message that U.S. intervention in the Korean War accomplished nothing and North Korea wasn't really that bad anyway seriously. Granted, no one could have known the two Koreas would turn out that way at the time the show was made, to say nothing of when the war actually took place - in the 1970s, both Koreas were poverty-stricken dictatorships. Still, it's now very jarring to see our heroes acting like anyone who isn't okay with North Korea is either a racist or paranoid about commies.

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* In the film (1970) and first seasons of ''Series/{{MASH}}'' (1972-73), the UsefulNotes/KoreanWar was of course a metaphor for the UsefulNotes/VietnamWar. After the USA lost the war in 1975, with the annexation of the south by the north, the series stopped pushing the metaphor quite so hard. However, today it's risible to even imagine taking the early seasons' face-value message that U.S. intervention in the Korean War accomplished nothing and North Korea wasn't really that bad anyway seriously. Granted, no one could have known the two Koreas would turn out that way at the time the show was made, to say nothing of when the war actually took place - in the 1970s, both Koreas were poverty-stricken dictatorships. Still, it's now very jarring to see our heroes acting like anyone who isn't okay It must be noted that the racism in the show was directed at ''all'' Koreans, what with North Korea is either a racist or paranoid about commies.Burns calling them "foreigners" (in their own country!)
2nd May '17 2:41:15 PM thecarolinabull01
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* Wrestling/ToughEnough has a lot less success stories because of this trope. The premise of the show was having ordinary people off the street train to become wrestlers in a span of two months or so. In reality, it takes years to get decent enough to wrestle on TV, as opposed to a matter of weeks. As such any winners of the show would be too green to get any kind of meaningful push. The only people from the show to have any real success were in the company for several years by then, long after momentum from the show had dissipated. It's to the point that people forget that Wrestling/JohnMorrison, the most successful winner (and the second must successful alumnus of TE, after Wrestling/TheMiz), was even on the show to begin with, let alone a winner.

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* Wrestling/ToughEnough Wrestling/WWEToughEnough has a lot less success stories because of this trope. The premise of the show was having ordinary people off the street train to become wrestlers in a span of two months or so. In reality, it takes years to get decent enough to wrestle on TV, as opposed to a matter of weeks. As such any winners of the show would be too green to get any kind of meaningful push. The only people from the show to have any real success were in the company for several years by then, long after momentum from the show had dissipated. It's to the point that people forget that Wrestling/JohnMorrison, the most successful winner (and the second must successful alumnus of TE, after Wrestling/TheMiz), was even on the show to begin with, let alone a winner.
2nd May '17 2:32:24 PM thecarolinabull01
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* The WWE Divas being touted as "Smart, Sexy and Powerful" gets undermined when you hear stories from many former Divas about how much pressure they were under to maintain their good looks 24/7 (Krissy Vaine got addicted to botox injections, Kristal Marshall became dangerously underweight), perfectly healthy women being told to lose weight (Rosa Mendes, Wrestling/MariaKanellis) and being hugely restricted by management in various areas Gail Kim claimed that one week they were told "no punching" and the next "no kicking". The knowledge of this makes the ones currently in the company seem like living Stepford Smilers.

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* The WWE Divas being touted as "Smart, Sexy and Powerful" gets undermined when you hear stories from many former Divas about how much pressure they were under to maintain their good looks 24/7 (Krissy Vaine got addicted to botox injections, Kristal Marshall became dangerously underweight), perfectly healthy women being told to lose weight (Rosa Mendes, (Wrestling/RosaMendes, Wrestling/MariaKanellis) and being hugely restricted by management in various areas Gail Kim claimed that one week they were told "no punching" and the next "no kicking". The knowledge of this makes the ones currently in the company seem like living Stepford Smilers.{{Stepford Smiler}}s.
23rd Apr '17 10:59:44 PM scooter
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8th Apr '17 4:41:50 AM SomeoneElse17
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* The WWE Divas being touted as "Smart, Sexy and Powerful" gets undermined when you hear stories from many former Divas about how much pressure they were under to maintain their good looks 24/7 (Krissy Vaine got addicted to botox injections, Kristal Marshall became dangerously underweight), perfectly healthy women being told to lose weight (Rosa Mendes, Maria Kanellis) and being hugely restricted by management in various areas - Gail Kim claimed that one week they were told "no punching" and the next "no kicking". The knowledge of this makes the ones currently in the company seem like living Stepford Smilers.
** In a curious flipside to the above point, it's something of a fun hobby for many fans to hate the so-called "model Divas" who were not trained on the indies and were offered WWE developmental contracts as they are assumed to be break-a-nail types that don't care about wrestling and only want a stepping stone to other forms of entertainment. This gets undermined when you hear the horror stories of vicious bullying many of these women received from other members of the roster - Amy Weber quit because Randy Orton found flyers from when she used to work at a strip club and posted them up all around the backstage area, Bobbi Billard was released after getting injured in developmental because the women training her (Ivory and Jacqueline) were deliberately going too hard on them. Add that to the knowledge above and the knowledge that a good portion of the girls were actually wrestling fans which is why they agreed to become wrestlers and people might feel a tad guilty for abusing them.
** ''Website/{{WrestleCrap}}'' brought up another one; when interviewed on Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin's podcast, Wrestling/TripleH was asked why Wrestling/{{Chyna}} has never been inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame, despite being a big part of the Attitude Era, with him replying it was due to her being a porn actress and WWE not wishing to be associated with that. However, as the writer pointed out, Sunny is in the Hall of Fame and she did/has done porn, and Jimmy Snuka (possibly) murdered someone, so he comes off looking like a hypocrite. In Hunter's defense, most of the Internet believe that he was lying -- the generally accepted reason as to why she has not been inducted into the Hall of Fame yet is because she couldn't be trusted with a live microphone.

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* The WWE Divas being touted as "Smart, Sexy and Powerful" gets undermined when you hear stories from many former Divas about how much pressure they were under to maintain their good looks 24/7 (Krissy Vaine got addicted to botox injections, Kristal Marshall became dangerously underweight), perfectly healthy women being told to lose weight (Rosa Mendes, Maria Kanellis) Wrestling/MariaKanellis) and being hugely restricted by management in various areas - Gail Kim claimed that one week they were told "no punching" and the next "no kicking". The knowledge of this makes the ones currently in the company seem like living Stepford Smilers.
** In a curious flipside to the above point, it's something of a fun hobby for many fans to hate the so-called "model Divas" who were not trained on the indies and were offered WWE developmental contracts as they are assumed to be break-a-nail types that don't care about wrestling and only want a stepping stone to other forms of entertainment. This gets undermined when you hear the horror stories of vicious bullying many of these women received from other members of the roster - Amy Weber quit because Randy Orton found flyers from when she used to work at a strip club and posted them up all around the backstage area, Bobbi Billard was released after getting injured in developmental because the women training her (Ivory and Jacqueline) were deliberately going too hard on them. Add that to the knowledge above and the knowledge that a good portion of the girls were actually wrestling fans which is why they agreed to become wrestlers and people might feel a tad guilty for abusing them.
** ''Website/{{WrestleCrap}}'' brought up another one; when interviewed on Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin's podcast, Wrestling/TripleH was asked why Wrestling/{{Chyna}} has never been inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame, despite being a big part of the Attitude Era, with him replying it was due to her being a porn actress and WWE not wishing to be associated with that. However, as the writer pointed out, Sunny is in the Hall of Fame and she did/has done porn, and Jimmy Snuka (possibly) murdered someone, so he comes off looking like a hypocrite. In Hunter's defense, most of the Internet believe that he was lying -- the generally accepted reason as to why she has not been inducted into the Hall of Fame yet is because she couldn't be trusted with a live microphone.




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