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21st Jul '17 6:55:30 AM cybertoy0
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** This is how Mustrum Ridcully became Archchancellor of Unseen University in ''Discworld/MovingPictures''; the other wizards needed a break from the rampant KlingonPromotion going on, and decided that a 7th-level wizard who went out to live in the countryside should be the right choice. They figured that as a 'country-man', he was one of those animal-loving softies and therefore very easy to get rid of once the time had come. Unfortunately, Ridcully turns out to be a BoistrousBruiser of wizards, and very much ''un''killable. However, most people, particularly Ponder Stibbons, underestimate how ''smart'' Ridcully can be.
17th Jul '17 11:51:23 AM ectostar
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->'''Billy Jack:''' I'm gonna take this right foot, and I'm gonna whop you on that side of your face... and you wanna know something? There's not a damn thing you're gonna be able to do about it.\\
'''Mr. Posner:''' ''[sarcastically]'' Really.\\
'''Billy Jack:''' ''[nodding]'' Really. ''[does exactly what he promised]''
-->-- ''Film/BillyJack''

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->'''Billy Jack:''' Jack''': I'm gonna take this right foot, and I'm gonna whop you on that side of your face... and you wanna know something? There's not a damn thing you're gonna be able to do about it.\\
'''Mr. Posner:''' Posner''': ''[sarcastically]'' Really.\\
'''Billy Jack:''' Jack''': ''[nodding]'' Really. ''[does exactly what he promised]''
-->-- ''Film/BillyJack''''Billy Jack''



The viewers watch with bated breath for the moment that these guys [[OhCrap find out that they've woefully underestimated the level of badassery involved.]] Let the {{curb stomp|Battle}}ing begin.

Compare BewareTheNiceOnes, GoodIsNotSoft, TheSoCalledCoward, MuggingTheMonster, YouWouldntShootMe, DudeWheresMyRespect and CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass. For the villainous example, see NotSoHarmlessVillain. Contrast with BullyingADragon, where the perpetrator antagonizes someone [[TooDumbToLive despite knowing full and well how Badass they are and without any perceived advantage.]]

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The viewers watch with bated breath for the moment that these guys [[OhCrap find out that they've woefully underestimated the level of badassery involved.]] involved]]. Let the {{curb stomp|Battle}}ing begin.

Compare BewareTheNiceOnes, GoodIsNotSoft, TheSoCalledCoward, MuggingTheMonster, YouWouldntShootMe, DudeWheresMyRespect and CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass. For the villainous example, see NotSoHarmlessVillain. Contrast with BullyingADragon, where the perpetrator antagonizes someone [[TooDumbToLive despite knowing full and well how Badass they are and without any perceived advantage.]]
advantage]].



** At the beginning of the first "Killer {{Meido}}" arc, some local yahoos make the mistake of thinking that [[ImplacableMan Roberta]] is an easy target because she's a milk-drinking ''Meido.'' ''Bad'' mistake. At the beginning of ''El Baile De La Muerte,'' some of them make the ''same'' stupid mistake about [[spoiler: Roberta's protege Fabiola.]] [[WhatAnIdiot You'd think they'd learn...]]

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** At the beginning of the first "Killer {{Meido}}" arc, some local yahoos make the mistake of thinking that [[ImplacableMan Roberta]] is an easy target because she's a milk-drinking ''Meido.'' ''Bad'' mistake. At the beginning of ''El Baile De La Muerte,'' some of them make the ''same'' stupid mistake about [[spoiler: Roberta's protege Fabiola.]] [[WhatAnIdiot You'd think they'd learn...]]learn]]...



* In ''Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaVivid'', new character Einhart vocally questions whether such warm, caring people like Nanoha and Fate could be good at magical combat. For the record, Nanoha is a legendary combat instructor, Fate is an equally legendary enforcer, and they are respectively referred to as the [[RedBaron "Ace of Aces" and "Ace of the Navy"]]. [[FunnyBackgroundEvent Nove almost falls over keeping herself from laughing at this.]]

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* In ''Manga/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaVivid'', new character Einhart vocally questions whether such warm, caring people like Nanoha and Fate could be good at magical combat. For the record, Nanoha is a legendary combat instructor, Fate is an equally legendary enforcer, and they are respectively referred to as the [[RedBaron "Ace of Aces" and "Ace of the Navy"]]. [[FunnyBackgroundEvent Nove almost falls over keeping herself from laughing at this.]]this]].



* The title character of ''Manga/{{SWOT}}'', Manabizaki, is a bespectacled nerd who studies too much. He has a HairTriggerTemper and a tendency to mouth off to people. Naturally, every delinquent in school was practically lining up to beat the crap out of him and put him in his place. After all, he's just an overly-studious nerd, ain't he? [[BadassBookworm They're]] [[HardHead always]] [[MadeOfIron weaklings,]] [[FoeTossingCharge right?]]

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* The title character of ''Manga/{{SWOT}}'', Manabizaki, is a bespectacled nerd who studies too much. He has a HairTriggerTemper and a tendency to mouth off to people. Naturally, every delinquent in school was practically lining up to beat the crap out of him and put him in his place. After all, he's just an overly-studious nerd, ain't he? [[BadassBookworm They're]] [[HardHead always]] [[MadeOfIron weaklings,]] weaklings]], [[FoeTossingCharge right?]]



* Countless Super Villains: Franchise/{{Batman}}'s just a [[BadassNormal guy in a costume.]] One of the most famous examples being when the Hyperclan, [[spoiler:really White Martians,]] capture or incapacitate the entire Justice League, except Batman who they dismiss as JustOneMan. Batman proceeds to find out their secret (and lets them know it in an ''[[Awesome/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica awesome]]'' fashion), [[TheDreaded reduce them to paranoid wrecks]] and practically dismantle their entire plan singlehandedly.
** And a few super heroes think SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker's [[WhatAnIdiot just a]] [[MonsterClown clown with too much free time.]]

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* Countless Super Villains: Franchise/{{Batman}}'s just a [[BadassNormal guy in a costume.]] costume]]. One of the most famous examples being when the Hyperclan, [[spoiler:really White Martians,]] Martians]], capture or incapacitate the entire Justice League, except Batman who they dismiss as JustOneMan. Batman proceeds to find out their secret (and lets them know it in an ''[[Awesome/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica awesome]]'' fashion), [[TheDreaded reduce them to paranoid wrecks]] and practically dismantle their entire plan singlehandedly.
** And a few super heroes think SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker's [[WhatAnIdiot just a]] [[MonsterClown clown with too much free time.]]time]].



** [[spoiler:Kaworu]] also completely underestimated [[spoiler:Shinji,]] believing he could defeat him easily.

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** [[spoiler:Kaworu]] also completely underestimated [[spoiler:Shinji,]] [[spoiler:Shinji]], believing he could defeat him easily.



** Despite ''knowing'' that Wrex, [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority the most powerful]] [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy krogan on Tuchanka,]] has nothing but respect for Shepard, that Shepard has the balls (regardless of gender) to ''headbutt'' a krogan chieftain to [[ShutUpHannibal get him to shut up]] (a species strong enough to snap a human's neck by backhanding them), and has personally witnessed Shepard and buddies not only survive but possibly kill [[spoiler: a thresher maw]] on ''foot'', something that has not been done in centuries (and the last time was by Wrex), said aforementioned chieftain ''still'' thinks he can take Shepard in a fight.

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** Despite ''knowing'' that Wrex, [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority the most powerful]] [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy krogan on Tuchanka,]] Tuchanka]], has nothing but respect for Shepard, that Shepard has the balls (regardless of gender) to ''headbutt'' a krogan chieftain to [[ShutUpHannibal get him to shut up]] (a species strong enough to snap a human's neck by backhanding them), and has personally witnessed Shepard and buddies not only survive but possibly kill [[spoiler: a thresher maw]] on ''foot'', something that has not been done in centuries (and the last time was by Wrex), said aforementioned chieftain ''still'' thinks he can take Shepard in a fight.



** The Illusive Man, [[spoiler:even after being indoctrinated by the Reapers,]] [[WorthyOpponent has a great deal of respect for Shepard.]] His underling Kai Leng, on the other hand, ignores his advice on how dangerous Shepard can be. [[spoiler:It ends badly for Kai Leng]].

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** The Illusive Man, [[spoiler:even after being indoctrinated by the Reapers,]] Reapers]], [[WorthyOpponent has a great deal of respect for Shepard.]] His underling Kai Leng, on the other hand, ignores his advice on how dangerous Shepard can be. [[spoiler:It ends badly for Kai Leng]].
9th Jul '17 3:24:45 AM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'': Ron Stoppable is constantly considered a fool and harmless by villains...[[SpannerInTheWorks at least until he causes their lairs to blow up]]. The ones who really underestimated him and paid the price were the AlienInvaders that attacked the Earth in the GrandFinale, who planned to make Kim into a trophy. [[BerserkButton Big mistake]].

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* ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'': Ron Stoppable is constantly considered a fool and harmless by villains...[[SpannerInTheWorks at least until he causes their lairs to blow up]]. The ones who really underestimated him and paid the price were the AlienInvaders that attacked the Earth in the GrandFinale, who planned to make Kim into a trophy. [[BerserkButton Big Big]] [[KilledOffForReal mistake]].
3rd Jul '17 7:59:04 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Gregory Helms, aka The Hurricane, is a LethalJokeCharacter so this is to be expected... But his match against The Rock takes this to its zenith point. The first part of the match is a very uphill battle for Hurricane with Rock and the announcers treating the match as little more than a joke. Every time the Rock assumes that Hurricane is finished he manages to shoot back to life and fight back with some damn fine wrestling, but even then the Rock seems more surprised than actually hurt. But near the end of the match Hurricane EXPLODES out of a near minute long choke hold and proceeds spends the next five minutes pounding the ever-loving crap out of the Rock and making him look like an armature. Rock manages to survive the three count only by the slimiest of milliseconds. Stone Cold makes an appearance a little later and Hurricane uses the distraction to once again spring to life and land a schoolboy the Rock for the win.

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* Gregory Helms, Wrestling/GregoryHelms, aka The Hurricane, is a LethalJokeCharacter so this is to be expected... But his match against The Rock Wrestling/TheRock takes this to its zenith point. The first part of the match is a very uphill battle for Hurricane with Rock and the announcers treating the match as little more than a joke. Every time the Rock assumes that Hurricane is finished he manages to shoot back to life and fight back with some damn fine wrestling, but even then the Rock seems more surprised than actually hurt. But near the end of the match Hurricane EXPLODES out of a near minute long choke hold and proceeds spends the next five minutes pounding the ever-loving crap out of the Rock and making him look like an armature. Rock manages to survive the three count only by the slimiest of milliseconds. Stone Cold makes an appearance a little later and Hurricane uses the distraction to once again spring to life and land a schoolboy the Rock for the win.
1st Jul '17 9:15:28 AM StFan
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'''Mr. Posner:''' ''(Sarcastically)'' Really.\\
'''Billy Jack:''' ''(Nodding)'' Really. ''(Does exactly what he promised.)''

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'''Mr. Posner:''' ''(Sarcastically)'' ''[sarcastically]'' Really.\\
'''Billy Jack:''' ''(Nodding)'' ''[nodding]'' Really. ''(Does ''[does exactly what he promised.)''promised]''




->'''Waldo:''' You underestimate your enemy in battle, odds are you won’t live to see another.
-->-- ''Series/IntoTheBadlands''

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\n->'''Waldo:''' You underestimate your enemy %% One quote is enough. Put any new one in battle, odds are you won’t live to see another.
-->-- ''Series/IntoTheBadlands''
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** Aizen is so focused on defeating Yamamoto's zanpakutou, the most powerful offensive weapon in Soul Society history, that he completely underestimates Yamamoto's undefeatable skills in all shinigami arts. He also forgets Yamamoto's complete resolve to win at all costs - even if he has to blow himself up to take out Aizen. Aizen acknowledges to himself that he completely underestimated Yamamoto.

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** Aizen is so focused on defeating Yamamoto's zanpakutou, the most powerful offensive weapon in Soul Society history, that he completely underestimates Yamamoto's undefeatable skills in all shinigami arts. He also forgets Yamamoto's complete resolve to win at all costs - -- even if he has to blow himself up to take out Aizen. Aizen acknowledges to himself that he completely underestimated Yamamoto.



* ComicBook/{{Aquaman}} gets this a lot, especially since the [[WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway 'all he can do is talk to fish']] meme is widespread even in-universe. What many of his opponents tend to forget though, is that he has super strength and speed, and happens to be one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet. Needless to say, people who underestimate him usually end up regretting it.

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* ComicBook/{{Aquaman}} gets this a lot, especially since the [[WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway 'all "all he can do is talk to fish']] fish"]] meme is widespread even in-universe. What many of his opponents tend to forget though, is that he has super strength and speed, and happens to be one of the most powerful telepaths on the planet. Needless to say, people who underestimate him usually end up regretting it.



* This is why Apollo and Midnighter lose to ComicBook/CaptainAtom in ''Captain Atom: Armageddon''. The pair think Atom is just another super-powered mook, not realizing that Atom is more powerful than all the members of ComicBook/TheAuthority combined, including Jenny Quantum. The only reason they last as long as they did is that Cap refuses to go all out against people he barely knows, even ones who are currently trying very hard to kill him.
** Really, just about every superhero in the Wildstorm universe was guilty of this. Midnighter and Apollo were just the most egregious case because they were the last. They knew, or should have known, that Cap had already beaten Mr. Majestic, the ComicBook/WildCATs, and the Engineer, all of whom were also guilty of ''severely'' underestimating Cap, to the point where the ComicBook/WildCATs deliberately attacked one at a time, as if it were a game.

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* This is why Apollo and Midnighter lose to ComicBook/CaptainAtom in ''Captain Atom: Armageddon''. The pair think Atom is just another super-powered mook, not realizing that Atom is more powerful than all the members of ComicBook/TheAuthority combined, including Jenny Quantum. The only reason they last as long as they did is that Cap refuses to go all out against people he barely knows, even ones who are currently trying very hard to kill him.
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him. Really, just about every superhero in the Wildstorm universe was guilty of this. Midnighter and Apollo were just the most egregious case because they were the last. They knew, or should have known, that Cap had already beaten Mr. Majestic, the ComicBook/WildCATs, and the Engineer, all of whom were also guilty of ''severely'' underestimating Cap, to the point where the ComicBook/WildCATs deliberately attacked one at a time, as if it were a game.



* ComicBook/IronMan: Has happened a few times to Tony Stark, whether because his identity was still secret and therefore it's assumed that he's just a rich playboy who needs a bodyguard to protect him, or because it's assumed that he's helpless without his armor. The thing is, it's generally a bad idea to attack someone who's been taking lessons from ComicBook/CaptainAmerica for about a decade unless you're a professional, considering Tony once beat the crap out of a bunch of Skrulls who were pretending to be ComicBook/TheAvengers, and he did so with his ''bare hands'' while ''naked'' and while his heart was ''slowly giving out''. And then there is, of course, this immortal exchange:
-->'''Tony:''' (''to his kidnapper'') I was just wondering, [[PreAsskickingOneLiner does your guard here know what a clavicle is]]?\\

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* ComicBook/IronMan: ''ComicBook/IronMan'': Has happened a few times to Tony Stark, whether because his identity was still secret and therefore it's assumed that he's just a rich playboy who needs a bodyguard to protect him, or because it's assumed that he's helpless without his armor. The thing is, it's generally a bad idea to attack someone who's been taking lessons from ComicBook/CaptainAmerica for about a decade unless you're a professional, considering Tony once beat the crap out of a bunch of Skrulls who were pretending to be ComicBook/TheAvengers, and he did so with his ''bare hands'' while ''naked'' and while his heart was ''slowly giving out''. And then there is, of course, this immortal exchange:
-->'''Tony:''' (''to ''[to his kidnapper'') kidnapper]'' I was just wondering, [[PreAsskickingOneLiner does your guard here know what a clavicle is]]?\\



'''Tony:''' (''karate chop'') Surprise! It's what I just broke!

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'''Tony:''' (''karate chop'') ''[karate chop]'' Surprise! It's what I just broke!



-->'''King Mob''': [''after taking the unlucky local'' ''[[GroinAttack firmly in hand]]''] I'm telling you you're in the wrong '''film''', Fatboy. You're not in the '''cowboy''' film [[WrongGenreSavvy you thought you were in]]. This is a '''[[FunctionalGenreSavvy different]]''' kind of movie. And you're in the scene where the redneck shitkicker picks on the '''stranger''' in town, only it's '''[[Film/TheTerminator Big Arnie]]''' or a gang of '''[[Film/FromDuskTillDawn vampires]]'''. I'll bet you've seen that a million times, Cowboy.
* In ''The Hard Goodbye'' arc of ''Comicbook/SinCity'', the bouncer for Katie's Bar throws out a customer, looks at Marv and tells him to leave. Marv calmly grabs his face, breaks his nose and goes in. The rest of the staff apologizes for the bouncer.
** That entire story is set up by the fact that the all-powerful Roarks thought it would be a piece of cake to frame a murder on a big, ugly drunk, unaware that he was extremely dangerous.
* Most people of Alysia in the first books of ComicBook/LesLegendaires mainly remember the Legendaries as a bunch of failed heroes who caused the infamous Jovenia Incident that turned everyone into a child when trying to save the world. As such, in the first books, their name wasn't even impressive to anyone, to the point two thugs are shown laughing when they introduce themselves. What those people tend to forget is that the Legendaries also foiled several times the plans of a [[TheDreaded much feared]] SorcerousOverlord with a massive body count, and actually succeeded in defeating said SorcerousOverlord. They fortunately get their respect back after the Anathos Cycle.

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-->'''King Mob''': [''after Mob:''' ''[after taking the unlucky local'' ''[[GroinAttack local [[GroinAttack firmly in hand]]''] hand]]]'' I'm telling you you're in the wrong '''film''', Fatboy. You're not in the '''cowboy''' film [[WrongGenreSavvy you thought you were in]]. This is a '''[[FunctionalGenreSavvy different]]''' kind of movie. And you're in the scene where the redneck shitkicker picks on the '''stranger''' in town, only it's '''[[Film/TheTerminator Big Arnie]]''' or a gang of '''[[Film/FromDuskTillDawn vampires]]'''. I'll bet you've seen that a million times, Cowboy.
* In ''The Hard Goodbye'' arc of ''Comicbook/SinCity'', the bouncer for Katie's Bar throws out a customer, looks at Marv and tells him to leave. Marv calmly grabs his face, breaks his nose and goes in. The rest of the staff apologizes for the bouncer.
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bouncer. That entire story is set up by the fact that the all-powerful Roarks thought it would be a piece of cake to frame a murder on a big, ugly drunk, unaware that he was extremely dangerous.
* ''ComicBook/LesLegendaires'':
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Most people of Alysia in the first books of ComicBook/LesLegendaires mainly remember the Legendaries as a bunch of failed heroes who caused the infamous Jovenia Incident that turned everyone into a child when trying to save the world. As such, in the first books, their name wasn't isn't even impressive to anyone, to the point two thugs are shown laughing when they introduce themselves. What those people tend to forget is that the Legendaries also foiled several times the plans of a [[TheDreaded much feared]] SorcerousOverlord with a massive body count, and actually succeeded in defeating said SorcerousOverlord. They fortunately get their respect back after the Anathos Cycle.



--->'''Dark-Razzia''': [[EvilLaugh Ah Ah Ah]]! [[SmugSnake You]], kick my ass? [[TemptingFate I would like to see tha]]... ([[KilledMidSentence Razzia punches him through the face]] with [[LivingWeapon Amy]], sending him flying meters away)
--->'''Razzia''': I warned him, didn't I?
--->'''Amy''': I confirm!

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--->'''Dark-Razzia''': --->'''Dark-Razzia:''' [[EvilLaugh Ah Ah Ah]]! [[SmugSnake You]], kick my ass? [[TemptingFate I would like to see tha]]... ([[KilledMidSentence (''[[KilledMidSentence Razzia punches him through the face]] with [[LivingWeapon Amy]], sending him flying meters away)
--->'''Razzia''':
away]''\\
'''Razzia:'''
I warned him, didn't I?
--->'''Amy''':
I?\\
'''Amy:'''
I confirm!



** Pete himself is somtimes mistaken for DumbMuscle. That tends to end with Pete giving them a hard lesson.

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** Pete himself is somtimes sometimes mistaken for DumbMuscle. That tends to end with Pete giving them a hard lesson.



** DonaldDuck gets the same treatment. This is the same Donald that can do anything whenever he gets serious enough, [[OneManArmy has beaten up dozens of foes when provoked enough]] and [[CrazyAwesome laughed in the face of the Grim Reaper just to brag that "Donald Duck LAUGHS in the face of Death"]].

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** DonaldDuck WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck gets the same treatment. This is the same Donald that can do anything whenever he gets serious enough, [[OneManArmy has beaten up dozens of foes when provoked enough]] and [[CrazyAwesome laughed in the face of the Grim Reaper just to brag that "Donald Duck LAUGHS in the face of Death"]].Death."]]



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* ''Fanfic/ACrownOfStars'': Although he was a paranoid, [[BigBad Jinnai]] never took Shinji and Asuka -the only people could pilot an Evangelion and the reason he had been capable to overthrow his predecessor- seriously. He thought he would have an alternative would render them obsolete very soon and they were only two broken kids could not threaten him. He was very, very wrong.

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* ''Fanfic/ACrownOfStars'': Although he was a paranoid, [[BigBad Jinnai]] never took Shinji and Asuka -the -- the only people who could pilot an Evangelion and the reason he had been capable to overthrow his predecessor- predecessor -- seriously. He thought he would have an alternative would render them obsolete very soon and they were only two broken kids could not threaten him. He was very, very wrong.



-->'''Misato:''' "Rei, there's a weapon locker a hundred metres to the north of your position,"\\
'''Rei:''' "Thank you for the thought, Captain, but that will not be necessary. [...] I would prefer to solve this problem in a more... hands-on fashion."\\
'''Misato:''' "Rei, I really don't think that's a good idea!"\\
'''Rei:''' "Excuse me, Captain, I have an Angel to kill."\\
'''Misato:''' "This is not going to end... Holy shit."\\
'''Ritsuko:''' "I'm not wild about her methods, [...] but I can't argue with her results. I wonder if they even have reproductive organs there?"
* ''Manga/{{Evangelion 303}}'': Asuka thought that she could deal with a rookie any day of the week. It turned out that rookie –Shinji- was just as good as her and won their friendly [[OldSchoolDogFight duel]].

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-->'''Misato:''' "Rei, Rei, there's a weapon locker a hundred metres to the north of your position,"\\
position.\\
'''Rei:''' "Thank Thank you for the thought, Captain, but that will not be necessary. [...] I would prefer to solve this problem in a more... hands-on fashion."\\
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'''Misato:''' "Rei, Rei, I really don't think that's a good idea!"\\
idea!\\
'''Rei:''' "Excuse Excuse me, Captain, I have an Angel to kill."\\
'''Misato:''' "This
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'''Misato:'''"This
is not going to end... Holy shit."\\
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'''Ritsuko:''' "I'm I'm not wild about her methods, [...] but I can't argue with her results. I wonder if they even have reproductive organs there?"
there?
* ''Manga/{{Evangelion 303}}'': ''Manga/Evangelion303'': Asuka thought that she could deal with a rookie any day of the week. It turned out that rookie –Shinji- was just as good as her and won their friendly [[OldSchoolDogFight duel]].



* In ''Fanfic/TheKeysStandAlone: The Soft World'' , the four are simultaneously recognized as four of the most powerful people in the world and underestimated because of their (apparent) age and [[ActualPacifist pacifism]].
** Part of the problem for observers is that they cannot extrapolate exactly what any of the four can do because A) the four won't show them; B) nobody is used to people with that depth of power, which gives them considerable versatility that no one can predict; and C) nobody is used to people who primarily use their power to avoid conflict. In particular, Ringo and George are completely underestimated, because George's ring does not radiate much magic at all, and because Ringo spends most of the story magically crippled.
*** Though to be fair, the Guardians figured out how useful he could be if they could teach him to penetrate masks... to the point where [[spoiler: they were willing to mind control him (and the others) to keep him when it was obvious the others wanted to leave.]] On the other hand, they had ''no'' idea of the true extent of his telekinesis, since even at his most vulnerable he couldn't bring himself to tell them.
* In ''[[FanFic/ThingsWeDontTellHumans Things We Don't Tell Humans]]'', Jolt does this to Bumblebee. In the flashbacks, most of [[OldMaster Terratron's]] other students do this to Prowl when they first meet, and Megatron does this to Optimus Prime when they have their first "argument" as rulers. Starscream severely underestimates Faust, too.

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* In ''Fanfic/TheKeysStandAlone: The Soft World'' , World'', the four are simultaneously recognized as four of the most powerful people in the world and underestimated because of their (apparent) age and [[ActualPacifist pacifism]].
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pacifism]]. Part of the problem for observers is that they cannot extrapolate exactly what any of the four can do because A) the four won't show them; B) nobody is used to people with that depth of power, which gives them considerable versatility that no one no-one can predict; and C) nobody is used to people who primarily use their power to avoid conflict. In particular, Ringo and George are completely underestimated, because George's ring does not radiate much magic at all, and because Ringo spends most of the story magically crippled.
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crippled. Though to be fair, the Guardians figured out how useful he could be if they could teach him to penetrate masks... to the point where [[spoiler: they [[spoiler:they were willing to mind control him (and the others) to keep him when it was obvious the others wanted to leave.]] On the other hand, they had ''no'' idea of the true extent of his telekinesis, since even at his most vulnerable he couldn't bring himself to tell them.
* In ''[[FanFic/ThingsWeDontTellHumans Things We Don't Tell Humans]]'', ''Fanfic/ThingsWeDontTellHumans'', Jolt does this to Bumblebee. In the flashbacks, most of [[OldMaster Terratron's]] other students do this to Prowl when they first meet, and Megatron does this to Optimus Prime when they have their first "argument" as rulers. Starscream severely underestimates Faust, too.



* After Luso in FanFic/TheTaintedGrimoire failed the mission he gave him, several months later, Baron Popple doesn't think he could win against [[spoiler: Suzuka]]. He was wrong.
* ''[[FanFic/FriendshipIsMagicTheAdventuresOfSpike Friendship Is Magic: The Adventures Of Spike]]'': According to Spitfire, ponies tend to do this about the Wonderbolts, often forgetting that despite being most well known for stunt shows, they ''are'' part of the military. And they show it during the changeling invasion.

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* After Luso in FanFic/TheTaintedGrimoire ''FanFic/TheTaintedGrimoire'' failed the mission he gave him, several months later, Baron Popple doesn't think he could win against [[spoiler: Suzuka]]. He was wrong.
* ''[[FanFic/FriendshipIsMagicTheAdventuresOfSpike Friendship Is Magic: The Adventures Of Spike]]'': ''Fanfic/FriendshipIsMagicTheAdventuresOfSpike'': According to Spitfire, ponies tend to do this about the Wonderbolts, often forgetting that despite being most well known for stunt shows, they ''are'' part of the military. And they show it during the changeling invasion.



* In ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' fanfic ''FanFic/{{Symbiosis}}'' Poison Lance, a Weedle, tells off the [[HellHound Houndhooms]] chasing after Ash and Mareep, saying that if they turn away he will spare their lives. The Houndhooms laugh in his face, which turns out to be a [[AllWebbedUp big]] [[RetiredBadass mistake]].

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* In ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' fanfic ''FanFic/{{Symbiosis}}'' ''Fanfic/{{Symbiosis}}'' Poison Lance, a Weedle, tells off the [[HellHound Houndhooms]] chasing after Ash and Mareep, saying that if they turn away he will spare their lives. The Houndhooms laugh in his face, which turns out to be a [[AllWebbedUp big]] [[RetiredBadass mistake]].



* In ''FanFic/FourDeadlySecrets'', People are constantly surprised by just how dangerous Ruby is.

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* In ''FanFic/FourDeadlySecrets'', ''Fanfic/FourDeadlySecrets'', People are constantly surprised by just how dangerous Ruby is.



--> '''India''': You know, suddenly she doesn't seem nearly so adorable.

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--> '''India''': --->'''India:''' You know, suddenly she doesn't seem nearly so adorable.



* In the ''Franchise/{{Naruto}}'' fanfiction Fanfic/CatchYourBreath where one special moment of Badassery will remain in the memory of readers for a while - mostly because it's when one stops and thinks about what happened that the epicness of the moment hits them in the face:
** [[spoiler:When the poor, poor idiots sealed the Three Tailed Beast into Kei, the story's protagionist, and implanted the MindControl seal into her, it was with the “foolproof” assumption that she would be helpless to both. However, ''they were very, very wrong'', as absolutely no one counted on Kei having split personalities and successfully holding back the Three Tails, fighting the compulsion seal AND fighting them, simultaneously.]]
-->[[spoiler:Kei says, “(...)Sealing the Tailed Beast inside us allowed another seal implant, which was placed over our heart. The Puppet Master Seal demands that we head for Konoha and unleash the Three-Tails on it.” Kakashi goes pale under his mask, and I feel the bottom drop out of my stomach. Kei goes on, “We’re not going to let that happen.” She almost smiles, but the expression doesn’t reach her eyes, “Because neither seal was designed for a shinobi with multiple personalities, like us. [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind Even if it results in a war on three fronts]].”]]

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* In the ''Franchise/{{Naruto}}'' fanfiction Fanfic/CatchYourBreath where one special moment of Badassery will remain in the memory of readers for a while - -- mostly because it's when one stops and thinks about what happened that the epicness of the moment hits them in the face:
**
face: [[spoiler:When the poor, poor idiots sealed the Three Tailed Beast into Kei, the story's protagionist, and implanted the MindControl seal into her, it was with the “foolproof” "foolproof" assumption that she would be helpless to both. However, ''they were very, very wrong'', as absolutely no one counted on Kei having split personalities and successfully holding back the Three Tails, fighting the compulsion seal AND fighting them, simultaneously.]]
-->[[spoiler:Kei says, “(..."(...)Sealing the Tailed Beast inside us allowed another seal implant, which was placed over our heart. The Puppet Master Seal demands that we head for Konoha and unleash the Three-Tails on it." Kakashi goes pale under his mask, and I feel the bottom drop out of my stomach. Kei goes on, “We’re "We’re not going to let that happen." She almost smiles, but the expression doesn’t doesn't reach her eyes, “Because "Because neither seal was designed for a shinobi with multiple personalities, like us. [[BattleInTheCenterOfTheMind Even if it results in a war on three fronts]].”]]"]]



** Most Centauri, being Centauri, tend to grossly underestimate Earth Alliance military power and just what Robotechnology can do, and don't understand why the emperor and a few others are wary to escalate the dispute over Narn. Then the Centauri House Vintari gives them an excuse to liberate Narn, and an [=EarthForce=] fleet outnumbered 3-1 in terms of ships [[CurbStompBattle humiliates the Vintari space force]] while the ground battle sees the Vintari army having their best defences swiped aside with ease. After that, the few Centauri who ''still'' do it qualify for TooDumbToLive...
*** Turns out that even the emperor had underestimated them, as he didn't expect a Super Dimensional Fortress to survive one shot from a [[spoiler:matter cannon]] and is terrified when he sees the EAS ''Vigilance'' tank ''three'' with little damage.

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** Most Centauri, being Centauri, tend to grossly underestimate Earth Alliance military power and just what Robotechnology can do, and don't understand why the emperor and a few others are wary to escalate the dispute over Narn. Then the Centauri House Vintari gives them an excuse to liberate Narn, and an [=EarthForce=] fleet outnumbered 3-1 in terms of ships [[CurbStompBattle humiliates the Vintari space force]] while the ground battle sees the Vintari army having their best defences defenses swiped aside with ease. After that, the few Centauri who ''still'' do it qualify for TooDumbToLive...
*** ** Turns out that even the emperor had underestimated them, as he didn't expect a Super Dimensional Fortress to survive one shot from a [[spoiler:matter cannon]] and is terrified when he sees the EAS ''Vigilance'' tank ''three'' with little damage.



** Many Centauri had started thinking that [[TheFettered emperor Kran]] was weak due his fear of Earth Alliance. Then House Kodiro crosses the line... And by the time he was finished, [[MagnificentBastard his manipulations had seen House Kodiro destroyed with contemptuous ease and means that involve a Minbari attack, EarthForce had the excuse to attack Narn and solve the whole shebang, and when the Hyach thought that the Centauri were weak for the defeat over Narn and attacked their fleet found that the Centauri Royal Navy was lying in ambush with overwhelming force, and while everyone knows he's responsible]] ''[[MagnificentBastard nobody can prove his involvement in what happened except the ambush]]''. [[TheMagnificent He's immediately named Kran the Great]].

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** Many Centauri had started thinking that [[TheFettered emperor Kran]] was weak due his fear of Earth Alliance. Then House Kodiro crosses the line... And and by the time he was finished, [[MagnificentBastard his manipulations had seen House Kodiro destroyed with contemptuous ease and means that involve a Minbari attack, EarthForce had the excuse to attack Narn and solve the whole shebang, and when the Hyach thought that the Centauri were weak for the defeat over Narn and attacked their fleet found that the Centauri Royal Navy was lying in ambush with overwhelming force, and while everyone knows he's responsible]] ''[[MagnificentBastard nobody can prove his involvement in what happened except the ambush]]''. [[TheMagnificent He's immediately named Kran the Great]].



-->'''Janine''': [[spoiler:I haven't spent a century mentally linked to a teleporter to be defeated by one!]]

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-->'''Janine''': -->'''Janine:''' [[spoiler:I haven't spent a century mentally linked to a teleporter to be defeated by one!]]



-->'''Celestia''': What was the ancient Romane word for 'brawler'?
-->'''General Iron Hammer''': Brawler, brawler... let's see... Started with a 'K'... no, 'C'. Calasta? No... cel... celastiar? [[ExplainExplainOhCrap Yes, celastiar! ...Oh, no...]]
-->'''Celestia''': That's right, General. ''[[PreAsskickingOneLiner They named it]] [[BadassBoast after me]]''.

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-->'''Celestia''': -->'''Celestia:''' What was the ancient Romane word for 'brawler'?
-->'''General
"brawler"?\\
'''General
Iron Hammer''': Hammer:''' Brawler, brawler... let's see... Started with a 'K'... "K"... no, 'C'."C". Calasta? No... cel... celastiar? [[ExplainExplainOhCrap Yes, celastiar! ...Oh, no...]]
-->'''Celestia''':
]]\\
'''Celestia:'''
That's right, General. ''[[PreAsskickingOneLiner They named it]] [[BadassBoast after me]]''.



* In ''FanFic/OriginStory'', Captain America notes that Spider-Man's main battle advantage is that, despite all his well-known abilities and feats that make him one of the toughest street-level heroes, he's still consistently underestimated by friend and foe alike. This gives Peter a great edge in most fights, as he proves in a CurbStompBattle against the U.S. Agent.
* A RunningGag in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11701126/1/Anything-Goes-Game-Changer Anything Goes Game Changer]]'' comes from everyone in the Sekirei Game to assume the various members of the [[Manga/RanmaOneHalf Nerima Wrecking Crew]] are Sekirei, only to be beaten effortlessly when they try to either attack them or worse, wing them. Ranma helps a Sekirei in a four on one battle and win handily, while Kodachi not only beats two of Hayato's Sekirei, she also spanks him for his "dishonorable actions".

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* In ''FanFic/OriginStory'', ''Fanfic/OriginStory'', Captain America notes that Spider-Man's main battle advantage is that, despite all his well-known abilities and feats that make him one of the toughest street-level heroes, he's still consistently underestimated by friend and foe alike. This gives Peter a great edge in most fights, as he proves in a CurbStompBattle against the U.S. Agent.
* A RunningGag in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11701126/1/Anything-Goes-Game-Changer Anything Goes Game Changer]]'' comes from everyone in the Sekirei Game to assume the various members of the [[Manga/RanmaOneHalf Nerima Wrecking Crew]] are Sekirei, only to be beaten effortlessly when they try to either attack them or worse, wing them. Ranma helps a Sekirei in a four on one four-on-one battle and win handily, while Kodachi not only beats two of Hayato's Sekirei, she also spanks him for his "dishonorable actions".



** Tai Lung in particular REALLY underestimates Po.
-->'''Tai Lung''': ''(To Shifu)'' Him? [[CaptainObvious He's a panda!]] ''(To Po)'' [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment You're a panda!]] [[ArrogantKungFuGuy What are you going do do, big guy? Sit on me?]]
-->'''Po:''' Don't tempt me.
** About a minute later, Po actually '''does''' sit on him, on the stairs.

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** Tai Lung in particular REALLY underestimates Po.
-->'''Tai Lung''': ''(To Shifu)''
Po. About a minute later, Po actually '''does''' sit on him, on the stairs.
--->'''Tai Lung:''' ''[to Shifu]''
Him? [[CaptainObvious He's a panda!]] ''(To Po)'' ''[to Po]'' [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment You're a panda!]] [[ArrogantKungFuGuy What are you going do do, big guy? Sit on me?]]
-->'''Po:'''
me?]]\\
'''Po:'''
Don't tempt me.
** About a minute later, Po actually '''does''' sit on him, on the stairs.
me.



[[folder:Films -- Live Action]]
* The kidnappers in ''Film/BigJake'' assume, just like [[PhraseCatcher everybody else in the movie]], that [[Creator/JohnWayne Jacob [=McCandles=]]] ([[BadassGrandpa grandfather]] of the boy they kidnap) is ''dead''. Naturally, it never occurs to them that he might be [[{{Determinator}} the one coming after them]]. Had they known, it is very likely that they would have chosen to kidnap ''somebody else's'' grandson.
** The head kidnapper (Richard Boone) ''can'' tell that the man following them is a badass, and [[LampshadeHanging says as much]]; what he doesn't know is just ''how much'' of a badass he is, or how ''[[ThickerThanWater personally invested]]'' he is in the outcome of the situation.

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[[folder:Films -- Live Action]]
Live-Action]]
* The kidnappers in ''Film/BigJake'' assume, just like [[PhraseCatcher everybody else in the movie]], that [[Creator/JohnWayne Jacob [=McCandles=]]] ([[BadassGrandpa grandfather]] of the boy they kidnap) is ''dead''. Naturally, it never occurs to them that he might be [[{{Determinator}} the one coming after them]]. Had they known, it is very likely that they would have chosen to kidnap ''somebody else's'' grandson.
**
grandson. The head kidnapper (Richard Boone) ''can'' tell that the man following them is a badass, and [[LampshadeHanging says as much]]; what he doesn't know is just ''how much'' of a badass he is, or how ''[[ThickerThanWater personally invested]]'' he is in the outcome of the situation.



* In ''Film/{{Godzilla 2014}}'', Admiral Stenz has some doubts about Godzilla's ability to defeat the Mutos, in spite of chasing one of the Muto out of Honolulu and hardly being affected by the Navy's gunnery in San Francisco Bay.

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* In ''Film/{{Godzilla 2014}}'', ''Film/Godzilla2014'', Admiral Stenz has some doubts about Godzilla's ability to defeat the Mutos, in spite of chasing one of the Muto out of Honolulu and hardly being affected by the Navy's gunnery in San Francisco Bay.



-->'''Hancock:''' [[BadassBoast If you don't move, your head is going up his ass. Y'all fellas sure you wanna ride this train?]]
-->'''Matrix:''' [[TemptingFate Choo choo, asshole...]]
--> ''(What follows is extremely painful... not to mention humiliating, as Hancock [[NotHyperbole wasn't exaggerating when he made]] [[AssShove that threat]]. [[{{Squick}} OUCH!]])''

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-->'''Hancock:''' [[BadassBoast If you don't move, your head is going up his ass. Y'all fellas sure you wanna ride this train?]]
-->'''Matrix:'''
train?]]\\
'''Matrix:'''
[[TemptingFate Choo choo, asshole...]]
--> ''(What
]]\\
''[what
follows is extremely painful... not to mention humiliating, as Hancock [[NotHyperbole wasn't exaggerating when he made]] [[AssShove that threat]]. threat]] -- [[{{Squick}} OUCH!]])''OUCH!]]]''



--> '''Taylor:''' 500.
--> '''Brucker:''' 500 what, douche bag?
--> '''Taylor:''' 500 fights, that's the number I figured when I was a kid. 500 street fights and you could consider yourself a legitimate tough guy. You need them for experience. To develop leather skin. So I got started. Of course along the way you stop thinking about being tough and all that. It stops being the point. You get past the silliness of it all. But then, after, you realize that's what you are.

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--> '''Taylor:''' 500.
-->
-->'''Taylor:''' 500.\\
'''Brucker:''' 500 what, douche bag?
-->
bag?\\
'''Taylor:''' 500 fights, that's the number I figured when I was a kid. 500 street fights and you could consider yourself a legitimate tough guy. You need them for experience. To develop leather skin. So I got started. Of course along the way you stop thinking about being tough and all that. It stops being the point. You get past the silliness of it all. But then, after, you realize that's what you are.



** Captain America in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', shortly after becoming a super soldier, thanks in part to [[spoiler:Dr. Erskine's death]], he was pretty much placed onto a USO entertainment group seeing how they don't really have much of a use for the supersoldier program. When entertaining American troops in Italy, the soldiers were not impressed with his performance (one of the soldiers was also implied to have mooned him, and they eventually pelt tomatoes at him while demanding for the girls to return). Of course, after he singlehandedly rescued 400 soldiers in one of Schmidt's bases, they began to realize he really is that badass.

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** Captain America in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', shortly after becoming a super soldier, thanks in part to [[spoiler:Dr. Erskine's death]], he was is pretty much placed onto a USO entertainment group seeing how they don't really have much of a use for the supersoldier program. When entertaining American troops in Italy, the soldiers were are not impressed with his performance (one of the soldiers was is also implied to have mooned him, and they eventually pelt tomatoes at him while demanding for the girls to return). Of course, after he singlehandedly rescued rescues 400 soldiers in one of Schmidt's bases, they began begin to realize he really is that badass.



** ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'': At the beginning of the airport battle, nobody on Team Iron Man seems to take Ant-Man's size-change powers seriously. Before the fight is over he manages to overpower Black Widow, nearly disable every weapon in Tony's suit, and [[spoiler: almost single-handedly enable Cap and Bucky's escape by unveiling his new growth powers to turn into a giant and force Team Iron Man to focus all of their attacks on him.]]

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** ''Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar'': At the beginning of the airport battle, nobody on Team Iron Man seems to take Ant-Man's size-change powers seriously. Before the fight is over he manages to overpower Black Widow, nearly disable every weapon in Tony's suit, and [[spoiler: almost single-handedly [[spoiler:almost singlehandedly enable Cap and Bucky's escape by unveiling his new growth powers to turn into a giant and force Team Iron Man to focus all of their attacks on him.]]



* In ''Film/ShaolinSoccer'', Mighty Steel Leg is beaten up in a bar because he's not allowed to fight back. The same thugs meet him on the street and throw insults. One of them throws a football at him, he kicks it back HARD.

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* In ''Film/ShaolinSoccer'', ''Film/ShaolinSoccer'':
**
Mighty Steel Leg is beaten up in a bar because he's not allowed to fight back. The same thugs meet him on the street and throw insults. One of them throws a football at him, he kicks it back HARD.



* ''Franchise/StarTrek''

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* ''Franchise/StarTrek''''Franchise/StarTrek'':



** The cantina scene in ''Film/ANewHope''. A couple of criminals don't take too kindly to Luke Skywalker, and probably don't think the old guy with him would be much help in a fight. A few seconds later someone's lost an arm. Shortly afterwards, Greedo the Rodian bounty hunter thinks he has smuggler Han Solo helplessly cornered. Unfortunately for him, Han prepares his blaster under the table, which he fries him with.

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** The cantina scene in ''Film/ANewHope''. A couple of criminals don't take too kindly to Luke Skywalker, and probably don't think the old guy with him would be much help in a fight. A few seconds later someone's lost an arm. arm.
**
Shortly afterwards, Greedo the Rodian bounty hunter thinks he has smuggler Han Solo helplessly cornered. Unfortunately for him, Han prepares his blaster under the table, which he fries him with.



** Yoda was severly underestimated by both Count Dooku in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' and by Palpatine in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. While the latter managed to take the win, it wasn't an easy one and more due to luck.

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** Yoda was severly is severely underestimated by both Count Dooku in ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' and by Palpatine in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. While the latter managed manages to take the win, it wasn't isn't an easy one and more due to luck.



-->'''Mo:''' You know what this young man said? We ain't got no legs! Dat means, I ain't got no legs, you ain't got no legs, and dem men in there ain't got no legs! Now what's dat sound like to you?
-->'''Sandman:''' ''A challenge!''
** And the rest of the gang comes storming in to show Max a thing or two.

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-->'''Mo:''' You know what this young man said? We ain't got no legs! Dat means, I ain't got no legs, you ain't got no legs, and dem men in there ain't got no legs! Now what's dat sound like to you?
-->'''Sandman:'''
you?\\
'''Sandman:'''
''A challenge!''
** :: And the rest of the gang comes storming in to show Max a thing or two.



** The biker punks of the original ''Film/TheTerminator'' learned the hard way that they were TooDumbToLive when he wanted clothes. They're lucky that the Terminator in question just let them live. Well, mostly.

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** The biker punks of the original ''Film/TheTerminator'' learned learn the hard way that they were are TooDumbToLive when he wanted the naked big guy wants clothes. They're lucky that the Terminator in question just let them live. Well, mostly.



* This happens to Frank Martin a ''lot'' in ''Film/TheTransporter'' movies. No one seems to expect a chauffeur to be a Badass. Frank and Lai do it to TheDragon in the first film, whom they believe to be a sleazy AmoralAttorney, and not the BloodKnight he really is.
* ''Film/TrueLies''
** Harry has been captured by the bad guys and is tied up. The torture technician asks him if there is anything he would like to tell him before the torture begins. Harry, unable to lie, gives a detailed description of how he intends to escape and kill his captors. All through this his captors listen in amusement. Until he proceeds to do exactly what he said he would.

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* This happens to Frank Martin a ''lot'' in ''Film/TheTransporter'' movies. No one No-one seems to expect a chauffeur to be a Badass. Frank and Lai do it to TheDragon in the first film, whom they believe to be a sleazy AmoralAttorney, and not the BloodKnight he really is.
* ''Film/TrueLies''
**
''Film/TrueLies'': Harry has been captured by the bad guys and is tied up. The torture technician asks him if there is anything he would like to tell him before the torture begins. Harry, unable to lie, gives a detailed description of how he intends to escape and kill his captors. All through this his captors listen in amusement. Until he proceeds to do exactly what he said he would.



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* In ''Series/AgentCarter'', Peggy's coworkers and superiors are all genuinely convinced that behind her bluster Peggy is just another fragile EnglishRose who needs to be protected because she hasn't "grown up" and "learned her place" as a woman. As Peggy points out in the penultimate episode, everyone ignores her unless she has coffee or reports because they all think of her as a "stray kitten" in need of shelter or a "secretary turned damsel" in need of protection. Thompson himself only realizes that Peggy is quite the badass when he finally sees her pick up a machine gun and start shooting people alongside her war buddies the Howling Commandos. Peggy decides to be more aggressive in her career and start showing this amongst her coworkers. After pointing out that the intelligence gathering mission would be more effective with a plan she would have no idea her superiors had just dismissed as impossible with their resources, they mock her by stating that they would need a team familiar with the area but don't have access to one. Peggy suggests a team like the Howling Commandos, and her chief jokingly agrees to let her go if she can get them. After she walks off, the two men give each other a look and a chuckle, only for her to walk in a few minutes later to state that the Howling Commandos would meet them at the rendezvous point. The chief follows through with his promise to put her on the team.
** In season two everyone underestimates Whitney Frost, who at first appears to be simply a Hollywood actress past her prime and the TrophyWife to a prominent industrialist. She is actually a scientific genius and the real brains behind her husband's massive corporation. Then she [[spoiler: is infected by Zero Matter and acquires lethal powers]]. She almost kills Peggy and becomes the true BigBad of the season.
* Happens surprisingly often within ''Series/{{Airwolf}}''. Of course, most people don't count on a helicopter being more well-armored than a tank, being capable of flying at speeds up to Mach 2.5, flying into the stratosphere, and carrying enough firepower to wipe a small country off the face of the earth.
** According to Tang Von Soong (referring to String, who is perhaps the world's best combat pilot), "Fortunately such people have little stomach for the nature of war".

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* In ''Series/AgentCarter'', ''Series/AgentCarter'':
**
Peggy's coworkers and superiors are all genuinely convinced that behind her bluster Peggy is just another fragile EnglishRose who needs to be protected because she hasn't "grown up" and "learned her place" as a woman. As Peggy points out in the penultimate episode, everyone ignores her unless she has coffee or reports because they all think of her as a "stray kitten" in need of shelter or a "secretary turned damsel" in need of protection. Thompson himself only realizes that Peggy is quite the badass when he finally sees her pick up a machine gun and start shooting people alongside her war buddies the Howling Commandos. Peggy decides to be more aggressive in her career and start showing this amongst her coworkers. After pointing out that the intelligence gathering mission would be more effective with a plan she would have no idea her superiors had just dismissed as impossible with their resources, they mock her by stating that they would need a team familiar with the area but don't have access to one. Peggy suggests a team like the Howling Commandos, and her chief jokingly agrees to let her go if she can get them. After she walks off, the two men give each other a look and a chuckle, only for her to walk in a few minutes later to state that the Howling Commandos would meet them at the rendezvous point. The chief follows through with his promise to put her on the team.
** In season two everyone underestimates Whitney Frost, who at first appears to be simply a Hollywood actress past her prime and the TrophyWife to a prominent industrialist. She is actually a scientific genius and the real brains behind her husband's massive corporation. Then she [[spoiler: is [[spoiler:is infected by Zero Matter and acquires lethal powers]]. She almost kills Peggy and becomes the true BigBad of the season.
* ''Series/{{Airwolf}}'':
**
Happens surprisingly often within ''Series/{{Airwolf}}''.often. Of course, most people don't count on a helicopter being more well-armored than a tank, being capable of flying at speeds up to Mach 2.5, flying into the stratosphere, and carrying enough firepower to wipe a small country off the face of the earth.
** According to Tang Von Soong (referring to String, who is perhaps the world's best combat pilot), "Fortunately such people have little stomach for the nature of war".war."



* ''Series/BabylonFive'' episode "Ceremonies of Light and Dark". Marcus the Ranger is looking for information on some crooks who have kidnapped his friend Delenn. He joins a poker game at a tough bar in down-below and asks his contacts in the criminal underworld if they have any information to share. They decline, and ask why they should help him with this.
-->'''Marcus:''' [[BadassBoast Because if you don't, in five minutes, I'll be the only one at this table still standing.]] ''(They all laugh)'' [[NotHyperbole Five minutes after that, I'll be the only one in this room still standing.]] ''(They all stand up and glower over him; cut to commercial.)''

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* ''Series/BabylonFive'' episode ''Series/BabylonFive'':
** Episode
"Ceremonies of Light and Dark". Marcus the Ranger is looking for information on some crooks who have kidnapped his friend Delenn. He joins a poker game at a tough bar in down-below and asks his contacts in the criminal underworld if they have any information to share. They decline, and ask why they should help him with this.
-->'''Marcus:''' --->'''Marcus:''' [[BadassBoast Because if you don't, in five minutes, I'll be the only one at this table still standing.]] ''(They all laugh)'' [[NotHyperbole Five minutes after that, I'll be the only one in this room still standing.]] ''(They all stand up and glower over him; cut to commercial.)''



*** As might be expected from the above example, Lennier is also prone to this. During the first season, his fighting skill is a surprise to the audience, but once it's established, he continues to use it to surprise other characters.

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*** ** As might be expected from the above example, Lennier is also prone to this. During the first season, his fighting skill is a surprise to the audience, but once it's established, he continues to use it to surprise other characters.



** And in the season 5 finale of ''Series/{{Buffy|the Vampire Slayer}}'', right after a PreviouslyOn summing up the entire series to date:
-->'''Vampire:''' *moving towards Buffy* I don't mind a little appetizer...\\

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** And in the season 5 finale of ''Series/{{Buffy|the Vampire Slayer}}'', ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', right after a PreviouslyOn summing up the entire series to date:
-->'''Vampire:''' *moving --->'''Vampire:''' ''[moving towards Buffy* Buffy]'' I don't mind a little appetizer...\\



'''Buffy:''' Wow! Never heard that one? Okay, how about, "Oh God, my leg, my leg?" *breaks his leg*
-->'''VAMPIRE:''' Oh God, my leg! Ah!

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'''Buffy:''' Wow! Never heard that one? Okay, how about, "Oh God, my leg, my leg?" *breaks ''[breaks his leg*
-->'''VAMPIRE:'''
leg]'\\
'''Vampire:'''
Oh God, my leg! Ah!



-->'''Xander:''' And the glorified bricklayer picks up a spare.

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-->'''Xander:''' --->'''Xander:''' And the glorified bricklayer picks up a spare.



-->Most people don't think the Coast Guard as being particularly well-armed. Most people are wrong. A Coast Guard patrol boat carries three .50-caliber M2 Browning machine guns and a 25-millimeter cannon, which means it can take out anything short of a battleship.

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-->Most --->Most people don't think the Coast Guard as being particularly well-armed. Most people are wrong. A Coast Guard patrol boat carries three .50-caliber M2 Browning machine guns and a 25-millimeter cannon, which means it can take out anything short of a battleship.



** The Doctor is consistently on the receiving end of this trope, even from those who should really know better, like the Daleks.
*** The double episode [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E8HumanNature "Human Nature"]]/[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E9TheFamilyOfBlood "The Family of Blood"]] involves a family of short-lived aliens named the Family of Blood chasing him in order to consume him and gain immortality. The Doctor initially tries to escape from them by sealing his alien self while he turns human with his companion Martha as the one in charge of his former self. The Family then goes after them, killing several people in the process and bombing a village to force the Doctor to come back. When it finally happens, an infuriated Doctor easily [[OutGambitted Out Gambits]] them and punishes them by putting them in various AndIMustScream situations that [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor specifically grant them eternal life in the process]]. They then [[OhCrap realize]] he wasn't running from them because he was ''afraid'' of them... but because he was afraid of [[BewareTheNiceOnes what he could do to them]].

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** The Doctor is consistently on the receiving end of this trope, even from those who should really know better, like the Daleks. \n*** The double episode [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E8HumanNature "Human Nature"]]/[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E9TheFamilyOfBlood "The "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E8HumanNature Human Nature]]"/"[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E9TheFamilyOfBlood The Family of Blood"]] Blood]]" involves a family of short-lived aliens named the Family of Blood chasing him in order to consume him and gain immortality. The Doctor initially tries to escape from them by sealing his alien self while he turns human with his companion Martha as the one in charge of his former self. The Family then goes after them, killing several people in the process and bombing a village to force the Doctor to come back. When it finally happens, an infuriated Doctor easily [[OutGambitted Out Gambits]] Out-Gambits]] them and punishes them by putting them in various AndIMustScream situations that [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor specifically grant them eternal life in the process]]. They then [[OhCrap realize]] he wasn't running from them because he was ''afraid'' of them... but because he was afraid of [[BewareTheNiceOnes what he could do to them]].



** John Crichton is a human from Earth -- a planet that hasn't even been to its ''own moon'' in almost 30 years at the time the series started -- who in early episodes is constantly dealing with the scorn of the more "advanced" members of Moya's crew. And he saves their asses ''every. Single. Time.'' By the end of the first season he's finally earned their respect and friendship. And then it's time for him to do the same with his enemies:

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** John Crichton is a human from Earth -- a planet that hasn't even been to its ''own moon'' in almost 30 years at the time the series started -- who in early episodes is constantly dealing with the scorn of the more "advanced" members of Moya's crew. And he saves their asses ''every. Single. Time.'' By the end of the first season he's finally earned their respect and friendship. And then it's time for him to do the same with his enemies:enemies.



* In a ''Series/TheFlash2014'' and ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' crossover, Flash is affected by a HatePlague so Arrow has to stop him. Flash's allies laugh and say Arrow has no chance, since Flash has superpowers while Arrow is just a guy with a bow and arrow. [[BadassNormal He quickly proves them wrong]]. Also, when Arrow offered to train Flash earlier, Flash got cocky, thinking there's nothing someone who doesn't have super speed can teach him, until he gets shot in the back with two arrows.
* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Most of King's Landing seems to be under the impression that water dancing is a literal kind of dancing and that Syrio is actually just a dancing instructor rather than the ''First Sword of Braavos'', which is why it is so surprising for Ser Meryn and the Lannister guards when Syrio hands the redcloaks their asses on a silver platter — ''with a training sword''.

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* In a ''Series/TheFlash2014'' and ''Series/{{Arrow}}'' crossover, Flash is affected by a HatePlague so Arrow has to stop him. Flash's allies laugh and say Arrow has no chance, since Flash has superpowers while Arrow is just a guy with a bow and arrow. [[BadassNormal He quickly proves them wrong]]. Also, when Arrow offered offers to train Flash earlier, Flash got gets cocky, thinking there's nothing someone who doesn't have super speed can teach him, until he gets shot in the back with two arrows.
* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Most of King's Landing seems to be under the impression that water dancing is a literal kind of dancing and that Syrio is actually just a dancing instructor rather than the ''First Sword of Braavos'', which is why it is so surprising for Ser Meryn and the Lannister guards when Syrio hands the redcloaks their asses on a silver platter -- ''with a training sword''.



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* ''WebComic/MagickChicks'': [[SmugSuper Faith]] counts as both an {{in universe|ExamplesOnly}} and meta example.

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* ''WebComic/MagickChicks'': ''Webcomic/MagickChicks'': [[SmugSuper Faith]] counts as both an {{in universe|ExamplesOnly}} and meta example.



-->'''TCampbell:''' "Layla's not exactly a pushover, but she's had a relatively easy life, and has never before even faced a slayer who ''consistently wanted to kill her''. [[http://www.pixietrixcomix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=358370#p358370 Even if Layla were well-trained for combat, the odds would heavily favor Faith.]] As it is, anything resembling a fair fight was going to end more or [[CurbstompBattle less like this."]]

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-->'''TCampbell:''' "Layla's --->'''TCampbell:''' Layla's not exactly a pushover, but she's had a relatively easy life, and has never before even faced a slayer who ''consistently wanted to kill her''. [[http://www.pixietrixcomix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=358370#p358370 Even if Layla were well-trained for combat, the odds would heavily favor Faith.]] As it is, anything resembling a fair fight was going to end more or [[CurbstompBattle less like this."]]]]



** [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0830.html Tsukiko assumed she could threaten Redcloak to his face, figuring he was the spineless wimp Xykon always treated him as]]. Further boosting her confidence was her belief that Xykon would side with her over Redcloak (he probably would too, if only to cheese off Redcloak, but he doesn't have any emotional investment beyond that), as well as several other advantages ranging from her ghoul entourage, her massive spell selection, and her comparative advantage in terms of teleport spells. Instead, [[spoiler:Redcloak proceeds to take control of her wights, counter all her spells, block her teleportation, give her a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, and have the wights kill her.]]

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** [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0830.html Tsukiko assumed assumes she could can threaten Redcloak to his face, figuring he was is the spineless wimp Xykon always treated him as]]. Further boosting her confidence was is her belief that Xykon would side with her over Redcloak (he probably would too, if only to cheese off Redcloak, but he doesn't have any emotional investment beyond that), as well as several other advantages ranging from her ghoul entourage, her massive spell selection, and her comparative advantage in terms of teleport spells. Instead, [[spoiler:Redcloak proceeds to take control of her wights, counter all her spells, block her teleportation, give her a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech, and have the wights kill her.]]



* In ''SpyingWithLana'', Lana's opponents tend to do this to her. They usually get a physical (or verbal) smackdown in return. Sometimes, they get both.

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* In ''SpyingWithLana'', ''Webcomic/SpyingWithLana'', Lana's opponents tend to do this to her. They usually get a physical (or verbal) smackdown in return. Sometimes, they get both.



-->'''Templar''': ... We've played our part. [[KnowWhenToFoldEm <teleports out>]]

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-->'''Templar''': ...-->'''Templar:''' ... We've played our part. [[KnowWhenToFoldEm <teleports out>]]''[[[KnowWhenToFoldEm teleports out]]]''



* At the beginning of ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', Commander Zhao regards Prince Zuko as a [[WhiteSheep weak]], [[RoyalBrat bratty]] teenage punk. They get into an argument, and Zuko challenges him to a duel, which Zhao fully expects to win. Not only does Zuko soundly beat him, but he [[SwordOverHead spares his life]] as well.
** And Zhao does it again against Aang in a later episode; when warned by his former master that he is not ready to fight the Avatar, Zhao arrogantly replies "I think I can handle a child". The result? Aang makes him look like a fool by tricking him into [[NiceJobFixingItVillain destroying his own fleet]], thus defeating him ''without landing a blow''. Obviously, Zhao never learns.

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* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'':
**
At the beginning of ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', beginning, Commander Zhao regards Prince Zuko as a [[WhiteSheep weak]], [[RoyalBrat bratty]] teenage punk. They get into an argument, and Zuko challenges him to a duel, which Zhao fully expects to win. Not only does Zuko soundly beat him, but he [[SwordOverHead spares his life]] as well.
** And Zhao does it again against Aang in a later episode; when warned by his former master that he is not ready to fight the Avatar, Zhao arrogantly replies "I think I can handle a child". child." The result? Aang makes him look like a fool by tricking him into [[NiceJobFixingItVillain destroying his own fleet]], thus defeating him ''without landing a blow''. Obviously, Zhao never learns.



** The sequel ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' keeps in this direction: while [[TheSociopath Yakone]] wasn't exactly a poor villain (he was a dangerously skilled Bloodbender and a Crime Lord), he ''did'' underestimate Aang according to the flashbacks, mocking him and telling him he dealt with people like him before and would do it again. Apparently, he forgot Aang was the ''Avatar'', meaning a guy connected to the Spirit World and controlling all elements. So it's not that much of a surprise when, during their confrontation, Aang just went avatar state, immobilized him and took away his bending.
*** Similarly, [[spoiler:Yakone's son Tarrlok severely underestimated [[BigBad Amon]] when confronted by him and ended up with the same fate.]]

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** * The sequel ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' keeps in this direction: while direction:
** While
[[TheSociopath Yakone]] wasn't exactly a poor villain (he was a dangerously skilled Bloodbender and a Crime Lord), he ''did'' underestimate Aang according to the flashbacks, mocking him and telling him he dealt with people like him before and would do it again. Apparently, he forgot Aang was the ''Avatar'', meaning a guy connected to the Spirit World and controlling all elements. So it's not that much of a surprise when, during their confrontation, Aang just went avatar state, immobilized him and took away his bending.
*** ** Similarly, [[spoiler:Yakone's son Tarrlok severely underestimated [[BigBad Amon]] when confronted by him and ended up with the same fate.]]



* WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}: the title protagonist tends to get this a lot, especially in the original show, because he is 1) a human in a universe where his species is considered primitive and 2) a kid who happened to end up accidentally in charge of the most powerful weapon in the universe which he barely understands. However, he turns out to be quite good at using it, and only get better with time. Eventually, the villains who already clashed with him before are GenreSavvy enough to warn their minions about not underestimating him (Ghostfreak once beat up his [[TheDragon Dragon]] Dr Vicktor for believing Ben was not worth killing). In the sequels, however, Ben's mutiple exploits ended up making him a LivingLegend, and most villains are careful about not underestimating him.
** One of the most noticable cases of this trope is Simian, an Arachnichimp ConMan who wrongly assumed he could easily fool Ben into doing his job for him by making up a sad story to attract his sympathy. Ben went along with it, but, by the end of the episode, we find out [[GenreSavvy he actually had started to figure out the truth around half the episode]], and ''already'' OutGambitted Simian. The poor alien con man ends up finding out about that far too late, when he is already in presence of his ''very'' pissed off hirer...

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* WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}: the ''WesternAnimation/Ben10'':
** The
title protagonist tends to get this a lot, especially in the original show, because he is 1) a human in a universe where his species is considered primitive and 2) a kid who happened to end up accidentally in charge of the most powerful weapon in the universe which he barely understands. However, he turns out to be quite good at using it, and only get better with time. Eventually, the villains who already clashed with him before are GenreSavvy enough to warn their minions about not underestimating him (Ghostfreak once beat up his [[TheDragon Dragon]] Dr Vicktor for believing Ben was not worth killing). In the sequels, however, Ben's mutiple exploits ended up making him a LivingLegend, and most villains are careful about not underestimating him.
** One of the most noticable cases of this trope is Simian, an Arachnichimp ConMan who wrongly assumed he could easily fool Ben into doing his job for him by making up a sad story to attract his sympathy. Ben went along with it, but, by the end of the episode, we find out [[GenreSavvy he actually had started to figure out the truth around half the episode]], and ''already'' OutGambitted Simian. The poor alien con man ends up finding out about that far too late, when he is already in presence of his ''very'' pissed off pissed-off hirer...



--->'''Rook''': The Body Armor is not for sell, Psyphon!
--->'''Psyphon''' (shooting at him): Oooo, I don't want to buy it! I will pry it from your lifeless body. [[NaiveNewcomer How green are you]] ?
--->(Rook dodges his EyeBeams and [[BatmanGambit tricks him into causing the whole place to collapse on him]])
--->'''Rook''': Not so green that I let a tunnel collapse on me!
** In a moment of BondVillainStupidity, Dr Psychobos assumes Ben isn't a threat to the Faction's plan... even though at this point, Ben has pretty much already become a LivingLegend who saved the Universe several times. Malware even calls him out for it.
* Franchise/{{DCAU}}:
** From ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'': ComicBook/LexLuthor has just taken out the founding members of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}} and is smirking at TheFlash.
-->'''Luthor[[spoiler: /Brainiac]]:''' Are you going to [[TemptingFate fight me]], ''boy''?
*** ...Cue one of the greatest awesome moments of the whole show.
*** Batman gets this too, just like in the comics - notably from Dr. Destiny in "Only a Dream":
--->'''Dr. Destiny:''' But you're different. You don't have any special powers.
--->'''Batman:''' Oh, I have one, Johnny: I ''never'' give up.
*** Killer Frost and Toyman in the penultimate episode of JLU. She's a stone-cold killer with ice powers, and he's a dwarfish man with toys, it's an easy win, right? She doesn't even get a single hit in.
*** There's also Batman's attempt to intimidate Amanda Waller. He expects her to crumble like most ''super villains'' do, and she effortlessly shuts him right up:

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--->'''Rook''': --->'''Rook:''' The Body Armor is not for sell, Psyphon!
--->'''Psyphon''' (shooting
Psyphon!\\
'''Psyphon:''' ''[shooting
at him): him]'' Oooo, I don't want to buy it! I will pry it from your lifeless body. [[NaiveNewcomer How green are you]] ?
--->(Rook
you]]?\\
''[Rook
dodges his EyeBeams and [[BatmanGambit tricks him into causing the whole place to collapse on him]])
--->'''Rook''':
him]]]''\\
'''Rook:'''
Not so green that I let a tunnel collapse on me!
** In a moment of BondVillainStupidity, Dr Dr. Psychobos assumes Ben isn't a threat to the Faction's plan... even though at this point, Ben has pretty much already become a LivingLegend who saved the Universe several times. Malware even calls him out for it.
* Franchise/{{DCAU}}:
Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse:
** From ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeagueUnlimited'': ComicBook/LexLuthor has just taken out the founding members of the Franchise/{{Justice League|of America}} and is smirking at TheFlash.
-->'''Luthor[[spoiler:
Franchise/TheFlash. Cue one of the greatest awesome moments of the whole show.
--->'''Luthor[[spoiler:
/Brainiac]]:''' Are you going to [[TemptingFate fight me]], ''boy''?
*** ...Cue one of the greatest awesome moments of the whole show.
***
** Batman gets this too, just like in the comics - -- notably from Dr. Destiny in "Only a Dream":
--->'''Dr. Destiny:''' But you're different. You don't have any special powers.
--->'''Batman:'''
powers.\\
'''Batman:'''
Oh, I have one, Johnny: I ''never'' give up.
*** ** Killer Frost and Toyman in the penultimate episode of JLU. She's a stone-cold killer with ice powers, and he's a dwarfish man with toys, it's an easy win, right? She doesn't even get a single hit in.
*** ** There's also Batman's attempt to intimidate Amanda Waller. He expects her to crumble like most ''super villains'' do, and she effortlessly shuts him right up:



*** Batman gets one back later on Waller when he reveals that if his identity is outed, he'll drag Waller's secrets out into the public as well, and which one of them is going to look worse? Bonus points for telling this to Waller while they're standing ''in her bathroom'', where she's just emerged from the shower in her supposedly secret and secure home to find the "rich boy" standing there.

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*** ** Batman gets one back later on Waller when he reveals that if his identity is outed, he'll drag Waller's secrets out into the public as well, and which one of them is going to look worse? Bonus points for telling this to Waller while they're standing ''in her bathroom'', where she's just emerged from the shower in her supposedly secret and secure home to find the "rich boy" standing there.



'''Bruce Wayne:''' ''(dryly)'' [[PretenderDiss Sure you are.]]\\
--\\

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'''Bruce Wayne:''' ''(dryly)'' ''[dryly]'' [[PretenderDiss Sure you are.]]\\
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-->'''Jumba''': It's very evil after all! [[EvilLaugh Hahahahaha!]]
* ''WesternAnimation/{{ReBoot}}'': At the end of Season 3, Megabyte encounters Enzo Matrix, [[PlotRelevantAgeUp now an adult]]. Still thinking he'll be the same weak boy he was before, even as Matrix draws his gun and is preparing to shoot, Megabyte goads him into discarding the gun and [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen fighting like a "real Sprite."]] Matrix obliges, and promptly punches Megabyte across the room, bashing a dent in his chest in the process. Megabyte promptly goes OhCrap when he realizes that Matrix didn't toss his gun aside out of bravado; he tossed it aside because [[TookALevelInBadass he doesn't]] ''[[TookALevelInBadass need]]'' [[TookALevelInBadass it]].

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-->'''Jumba''': -->'''Jumba:''' It's very evil after all! [[EvilLaugh Hahahahaha!]]
* ''WesternAnimation/{{ReBoot}}'': ''WesternAnimation/ReBoot'': At the end of Season 3, Megabyte encounters Enzo Matrix, [[PlotRelevantAgeUp now an adult]]. Still thinking he'll be the same weak boy he was before, even as Matrix draws his gun and is preparing to shoot, Megabyte goads him into discarding the gun and [[LetsFightLikeGentlemen fighting like a "real Sprite."]] Matrix obliges, and promptly punches Megabyte across the room, bashing a dent in his chest in the process. Megabyte promptly goes OhCrap when he realizes that Matrix didn't toss his gun aside out of bravado; he tossed it aside because [[TookALevelInBadass he doesn't]] ''[[TookALevelInBadass need]]'' [[TookALevelInBadass it]].



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* Anyone who looks down on or doubts the Bounty Hunter in ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'', particularly force users, are quickly set straight.
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* ''TabletopGame/BeastThePrimordial'': It's mentioned in the corebook that many [[KnightTemplar Heroes]] who cross path with non-Beast Supernaturals do not think much of them, [[WrongGenreSavvy often believing them to be mere minions to their Beast overlords]]. An encounter with [[TabletopGame/VampireTheRequiem an elder vampire]] or [[TabletopGame/WerewolfTheForsaken a raging werewolf]] usually ends up clearing up this misconception.

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* ''TabletopGame/BeastThePrimordial'': It's mentioned in the corebook that many [[KnightTemplar Heroes]] who cross path with non-Beast Supernaturals do not think much of them, [[WrongGenreSavvy often believing them to be mere minions to their Beast overlords]]. An encounter with [[TabletopGame/VampireTheRequiem an elder vampire]] or [[TabletopGame/WerewolfTheForsaken a raging werewolf]] usually ends up clearing clears up this misconception.
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* ''TabletopGame/BeastThePrimordial'': It's mentioned in the corebook that many [[KnightTemplar Heroes]] who cross path with non-Beast Supernaturals do not think much of them, [[WrongGenreSavvy often believing them to be mere minions to their Beast overlords]]. An encounter with [[TabletopGame/VampireTheRequiem an elder vampire]] or [[TabletopGame/WerewolfTheForsaken a raging werewolf]] usually ends up clearing up this misconception.
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* The Beast Titan in ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'', despite being warned about Levi by ''both'' his subordinates, dismisses him as a mere human unworthy of consideration. This gets his Titan form cut to pieces, his army slaughtered, and forces him to retreat after nearly getting killed himself.



* The Beast Titan in ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'', despite being warned about Levi by ''both'' his subordinates, dismisses him as a mere human unworthy of consideration. This gets his Titan form cut to pieces, his army slaughtered, and forces him to retreat after nearly getting killed himself.
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* People who don't know DeadPool tend to dismiss him as a scatterbrained lunatic with the attention span of a gnat. Those who know him also know better.

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* People who don't know DeadPool SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} tend to dismiss him as a scatterbrained lunatic with the attention span of a gnat. Those who know him also know better.
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