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26th Aug '16 2:23:16 PM thelivingtoad
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** Surprisingly subverted in the case of Music/{{Kiss}}. When only the originally four members of the band were inducted in 2014, many suspected that leaders Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley had arranged for the exclusion of well-liked replacements such as Bruce Kulick, Eric Singer and the late Eric Carr. Then news came out that it was actually quite the opposite: Simmons and Stanley had actually fought with the Hall to include those members and [[http://ultimateclassicrock.com/kiss-hall-of-fame-wont-perform/ when they were rebuffed, the band refused to perform]].

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** Surprisingly subverted in the case of Music/{{Kiss}}. When only the originally original four members of the band were inducted in 2014, many suspected that leaders Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley had arranged for the exclusion of well-liked replacements such as Bruce Kulick, Eric Singer and the late Eric Carr. Then news came out that it was actually quite the opposite: Simmons and Stanley had actually fought with the Hall to include those members and [[http://ultimateclassicrock.com/kiss-hall-of-fame-wont-perform/ when they were rebuffed, the band refused to perform]].
25th Aug '16 11:46:59 PM BroTim11
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* Religions and Christian denominations [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement which in some eyes are verging on cults]] have been accused of this with regard to previously-held beliefs now considered theologically or socially inconvenient/embarrassing. The Watchtower Society has revised its doctrines several times to cover up "fallacious doctrines" (and those Church founders who espoused them) leading to their predicting the non-happening end of the world in certain years, and to conceal the extent to which their theology was determined not by Biblical exegesis but by [[PyramidPower Victorian pseudo-science]]. The notoriously autocratic Herbert W. Armstrong also made ''his own son'', the then very famous televangelist Reverend Garner Ted Armstrong, into an Un-Person in the eyes of his Church following a series of scandals in the 1960's.

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* Religions and Christian denominations [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement which in some eyes are verging on cults]] have been accused of this with regard to previously-held beliefs now considered theologically or socially inconvenient/embarrassing. The Watchtower Society has revised its doctrines several times to cover up "fallacious doctrines" (and those Church founders who espoused them) leading to their predicting the non-happening end of the world in certain years, and to conceal the extent to which their theology was determined not by Biblical exegesis but by [[PyramidPower Victorian pseudo-science]]. The notoriously autocratic Herbert W. Armstrong also made ''his own son'', the then very famous televangelist Reverend Garner Ted Armstrong, into an Un-Person in the eyes of his Church following a series of scandals in the 1960's.
25th Aug '16 7:33:34 PM thelivingtoad
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** When only the originally four members of Music/Kiss were inducted in 2014, many suspected that Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley had arranged for the exclusion of well-liked replacements such as Bruce Kulick, Eric Singer and the late Eric Carr. Then news came out that it was actually quite the opposite: Simmons and Stanley had actually fought with the Hall to include those members and [[http://ultimateclassicrock.com/kiss-hall-of-fame-wont-perform/ when they were rebuffed, the band refused to perform]].

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** Surprisingly subverted in the case of Music/{{Kiss}}. When only the originally four members of Music/Kiss the band were inducted in 2014, many suspected that leaders Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley had arranged for the exclusion of well-liked replacements such as Bruce Kulick, Eric Singer and the late Eric Carr. Then news came out that it was actually quite the opposite: Simmons and Stanley had actually fought with the Hall to include those members and [[http://ultimateclassicrock.com/kiss-hall-of-fame-wont-perform/ when they were rebuffed, the band refused to perform]].
25th Aug '16 7:32:23 PM thelivingtoad
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** When only the originally four members of Music/Kiss were inducted in 2014, many suspected that Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley had arranged for the exclusion of well-liked replacements such as Bruce Kulick, Eric Singer and the late Eric Carr. Then news came out that it was actually quite the opposite: Simmons and Stanley had actually fought with the Hall to include those members and [http://ultimateclassicrock.com/kiss-hall-of-fame-wont-perform/ when they were rebuffed, the band refused to perform]. The Hall's [http://ultimateclassicrock.com/hall-of-fame-kiss-statement/ reasoning for not including those members] of Kiss are strange when you remember that twelve members of Music/GratefulDead, including non-performing lyricist Robert Hunter were inducted in 1994 -- and their reason for being there were because of demands by Jerry Garcia that were quite similar to Simmons and Stanley's.

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** When only the originally four members of Music/Kiss were inducted in 2014, many suspected that Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley had arranged for the exclusion of well-liked replacements such as Bruce Kulick, Eric Singer and the late Eric Carr. Then news came out that it was actually quite the opposite: Simmons and Stanley had actually fought with the Hall to include those members and [http://ultimateclassicrock.[[http://ultimateclassicrock.com/kiss-hall-of-fame-wont-perform/ when they were rebuffed, the band refused to perform]. The Hall's [http://ultimateclassicrock.com/hall-of-fame-kiss-statement/ reasoning for not including those members] of Kiss are strange when you remember that twelve members of Music/GratefulDead, including non-performing lyricist Robert Hunter were inducted in 1994 -- and their reason for being there were because of demands by Jerry Garcia that were quite similar to Simmons and Stanley's.perform]].
25th Aug '16 7:31:57 PM thelivingtoad
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** When only the originally four members of Music/Kiss were inducted in 2014, many suspected that Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley had arranged for the exclusion of well-liked replacements such as Bruce Kulick, Eric Singer and the late Eric Carr. Then news came out that it was actually quite the opposite: Simmons and Stanley had actually fought with the Hall to include those members and [http://ultimateclassicrock.com/kiss-hall-of-fame-wont-perform/ when they were rebuffed, the band refused to perform]. The Hall's [http://ultimateclassicrock.com/hall-of-fame-kiss-statement/ reasoning for not including those members] of Kiss are strange when you remember that twelve members of Music/GratefulDead, including non-performing lyricist Robert Hunter were inducted in 1994 -- and their reason for being there were because of demands by Jerry Garcia that were quite similar to Simmons and Stanley's.
25th Aug '16 7:26:00 PM thelivingtoad
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** There was a similar controversy involving Music/{{Heart}} on their induction into the HoF. The Wilson sisters agreed - very grudgingly - that the induction was for the original line-up of the band which included the Fisher brothers, with whom they had had a major falling-out. Roger and Mike Fisher were allowed to rejoin the rest of the original members on stage for ''one'' song, agreed to be a blistering version of ''Barracuda''. But that was it; they quietly stood down for two current band-members, practically anonymous sessions musicians, who filled in for the rest of the gig. Fans present noted the quality of music played soon stopped being "blistering", and became merely "average".

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** There was a similar controversy involving Music/{{Heart}} on their induction into the HoF.Hall. The Wilson sisters agreed - very grudgingly - that the induction was for the original line-up of the band which included the Fisher brothers, with whom they had had a major falling-out. Roger and Mike Fisher were allowed to rejoin the rest of the original members on stage for ''one'' song, agreed to be a blistering version of ''Barracuda''."Barracuda". But that was it; they quietly stood down for two current band-members, practically anonymous sessions musicians, who filled in for the rest of the gig. Fans present noted the quality of music played soon stopped being "blistering", and became merely "average".
25th Aug '16 7:25:05 PM thelivingtoad
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** Another controversy happened in the late 90s, when Music/FleetwoodMac singer and guitarist Bob Welch was the only major member of the band to not be inducted, despite him effectively being the "leader" of the band during the bridge period between their blues-based years and superstar Nicks/Buckingham era. He had a successful solo career after he left the band, and some of his biggest hits even had members of Fleetwood Mac performing on them. His relationship with the band soured in the mid-90s and for a long while believed Mick Fleetwood had arranged for him to be excluded from the band's Hall of Fame list of inducted members. When he finally buried the hatchet with Fleetwood, he discovered this wasn't the case at all and suspected that the Hall of Fame's board had removed him from their inductees list because they didn't like his solo music. He opined that if he had been on better terms with Fleetwood, he would have made a better case for why Welch should be in the Hall.

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** Another controversy happened in the late 90s, when Music/FleetwoodMac singer and guitarist Bob Welch was the only major member of the band to not be inducted, despite him effectively being the "leader" of the band during the bridge period between their blues-based years and superstar Nicks/Buckingham era. He had a successful solo career after he left the band, and some of his biggest hits even had members of Fleetwood Mac performing on them. His relationship with the band soured in the mid-90s and for a long while while, he believed Mick Fleetwood had arranged for him to be excluded from the band's Hall of Fame list of inducted members. When he finally buried the hatchet with Fleetwood, he discovered this wasn't the case at all and suspected that the Hall of Fame's board had removed him from their inductees list because they didn't like his solo music. He opined that if he had been on better terms with Fleetwood, Fleetwood in 1998, he would have made a better case for why Welch should be in the Hall.
25th Aug '16 7:24:03 PM thelivingtoad
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** Another controversy happened in the late 90s, when Music/FleetwoodMac singer and guitarist Bob Welch was the only major member of the band to not be inducted, despite him effectively being the "leader" of the band during the bridge period between their blues-based years and superstar Nicks/Buckingham era. He had a successful solo career after he left the band, and some of his biggest hits even had members of Fleetwood Mac performing on them. His relationship with the band turned sour in the mid-90s and for a long while believed Mick Fleetwood had arranged for him to be excluded from the band's Hall of Fame list of inducted members. When he finally buried the hatchet with Fleetwood, he discovered this wasn't the case at all and suspected that the Hall of Fame's board had removed him from their inductees list because they didn't like his solo music. He suspected that if he had been on better terms with Fleetwood, he would have made a better case for why Welch should be in the Hall.

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** Another controversy happened in the late 90s, when Music/FleetwoodMac singer and guitarist Bob Welch was the only major member of the band to not be inducted, despite him effectively being the "leader" of the band during the bridge period between their blues-based years and superstar Nicks/Buckingham era. He had a successful solo career after he left the band, and some of his biggest hits even had members of Fleetwood Mac performing on them. His relationship with the band turned sour soured in the mid-90s and for a long while believed Mick Fleetwood had arranged for him to be excluded from the band's Hall of Fame list of inducted members. When he finally buried the hatchet with Fleetwood, he discovered this wasn't the case at all and suspected that the Hall of Fame's board had removed him from their inductees list because they didn't like his solo music. He suspected opined that if he had been on better terms with Fleetwood, he would have made a better case for why Welch should be in the Hall.
25th Aug '16 7:22:33 PM thelivingtoad
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** Gram Parsons was not inducted as a member of Music/TheByrds despite being one of the band's most famous members and often being credited as the inventor of the country rock genre. The thinking behind the exclusion was that he would be inducted as a solo artist in due time, and the Hall was a little stricter on double inductions in the early 90s than they were later on. Despite nominations in 2002, 2004 and 2005, he hasn't made it in and hasn't been on the nomination ballot in a decade.

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** Gram Parsons was not inducted as a member of Music/TheByrds despite being one of the band's most famous members and often being credited as the inventor of the country rock genre. The thinking behind the exclusion was that may have been that he would be inducted as a solo artist in due time, and the Hall was a little stricter on double inductions in the early 90s than they were later on. Despite nominations in 2002, 2004 and 2005, he hasn't made it in and hasn't been on the nomination ballot in a decade.
25th Aug '16 7:21:55 PM thelivingtoad
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** Gram Parsons was not inducted as a member of Music/TheByrds despite being one of the band's most famous members and often being credited as the inventor of CountryRock. The thinking behind the exclusion was that he would be inducted as a solo artist in due time, and the Hall was a little stricter on double inductions in the early 90s than they were later on. Despite nominations in 2002, 2004 and 2005, he hasn't made it in and hasn't been on the nomination ballot in a decade.

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** Gram Parsons was not inducted as a member of Music/TheByrds despite being one of the band's most famous members and often being credited as the inventor of CountryRock.the country rock genre. The thinking behind the exclusion was that he would be inducted as a solo artist in due time, and the Hall was a little stricter on double inductions in the early 90s than they were later on. Despite nominations in 2002, 2004 and 2005, he hasn't made it in and hasn't been on the nomination ballot in a decade.
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