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21st May '16 6:55:05 AM azraelfinalstar
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*** Although, it would make sense that he's the original, as he was kept in a completely separate location from the other copies, and later on Sonic survives a similar situation , so surely the UltimateLifeform could do the same.
1st Apr '16 11:02:31 AM Sharlee
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* Sam Vimes objects to using magic anyway, but in Discworld/{{Thud}}!, even when he gives in and goes to the wizards for help, he absolutely refuses to use teleportation because he's paranoid about the idea that the person at the other end isn't the same person as the one who was teleported.

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* Sam Vimes objects to using magic anyway, but in Discworld/{{Thud}}!, ''Discworld/{{Thud}}!'', even when he gives in and goes to the wizards for help, he absolutely refuses to use teleportation because he's paranoid about the idea that the person at the other end isn't the same person as the one who was teleported.teleported. Considering Rincewind once got badly battered by oncoming debris ''mid-transit'' during a teleport, Vimes's fear probably wasn't justified, but the Wizzard wasn't on hand to point this out.
1st Apr '16 10:58:30 AM Sharlee
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Occasionally, the dilemma may even be taken a step farther, if the TwinMaker in question ''doesn't make it clear'' which of the two is the "Twin": if it's just as feasible that the device teleports the person who uses it to the new location, while simultaneously producing an identical duplicate ''at the starting point'', then which one is the "original" person may be impossible to determine.

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Occasionally, the dilemma may even be taken a step farther, if the TwinMaker in question ''doesn't make it clear'' which of the two is the "Twin": if "Twin". If it's just as feasible that the device teleports the person who uses it to the new location, still alive and themselves, while simultaneously producing an identical duplicate ''at the starting point'', then which one is the "original" person may be impossible to determine.
1st Apr '16 10:57:17 AM Sharlee
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Occasionally, the dilemma may even be taken a step farther, if the TwinMaker in question ''doesn't make it clear'' which of the two is the "Twin": if it's just as feasible that the device teleports the person who uses it to the new location, while simultaneously producing an identical duplicate ''at the starting point'', then which one is the "original" person may be impossible to determine.
5th Mar '16 3:13:40 AM Morgenthaler
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* Averted in SergeyLukyanenko's ''LineOfDelirium'', where the aTan machine re-creates people after their deaths by replicating their bodies from the previous molecular scan and downloading the stored memories into the new brains. Originally, it is claimed by the aTan Corporation that each re-created person is indeed new, although they are considered to be the heir to the dead person's life. However, it is revealed later that re-creating the same person twice only results in one having a consciousness, while the other is a mindless zombie, only able to passively answer questions and perform routine tasks. This is due to something the aTan people call the "[[OurSoulsAreDifferent x-factor]]" that is present in humans and several other races. When a person dies and his or her body is re-created by aTan, this "x-factor" locates the new body and inhabits it, giving this new body the same consciousness as the dead person. For some reason, the aTan Corporation decides to keep this a secret from the general public, only informing the [[TheChurch Church of the One Will]] of their findings. Needless to say, the Patriarch immediately gives full blessing to aTan. After all, it's not every day that someone proves the existence of the soul.
* ChinaMieville's novel ''Literature/{{Kraken}}'' has a nasty subplot based on this idea, about an UrbanFantasy magician who developes a teleportation spell consciously inspired by ''Franchise/StarTrek'' transporters. He doesn't realise that the method actually kills the original and creates an unaware, perfect copy until the vengeful spirits of his dead former versions start haunting him. [[spoiler: The hero finally deliberately submits to this as a HeroicSacrifice, as it's the only fast enough way to get him where he needs to be to save the world.]]

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* Averted in SergeyLukyanenko's ''LineOfDelirium'', Creator/SergeyLukyanenko's ''Literature/LineOfDelirium'', where the aTan machine re-creates people after their deaths by replicating their bodies from the previous molecular scan and downloading the stored memories into the new brains. Originally, it is claimed by the aTan Corporation that each re-created person is indeed new, although they are considered to be the heir to the dead person's life. However, it is revealed later that re-creating the same person twice only results in one having a consciousness, while the other is a mindless zombie, only able to passively answer questions and perform routine tasks. This is due to something the aTan people call the "[[OurSoulsAreDifferent x-factor]]" that is present in humans and several other races. When a person dies and his or her body is re-created by aTan, this "x-factor" locates the new body and inhabits it, giving this new body the same consciousness as the dead person. For some reason, the aTan Corporation decides to keep this a secret from the general public, only informing the [[TheChurch Church of the One Will]] of their findings. Needless to say, the Patriarch immediately gives full blessing to aTan. After all, it's not every day that someone proves the existence of the soul.
* ChinaMieville's Creator/ChinaMieville's novel ''Literature/{{Kraken}}'' has a nasty subplot based on this idea, about an UrbanFantasy magician who developes a teleportation spell consciously inspired by ''Franchise/StarTrek'' transporters. He doesn't realise that the method actually kills the original and creates an unaware, perfect copy until the vengeful spirits of his dead former versions start haunting him. [[spoiler: The hero finally deliberately submits to this as a HeroicSacrifice, as it's the only fast enough way to get him where he needs to be to save the world.]]
9th Jan '16 5:18:19 PM Psyclone
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* In ''VideoGame/SOMA'', this trope (or rather [[spoiler:how it relates to human consciousness]]) turns out to be central to the plot: [[spoiler:the protagonist finds himself "transported" to an underwater base in the post apocalyptic future after a brain scan due to the scan having been donated to science and made into a standard template by his long deceased original self and the base's malfunctioning AI experimenting in creating new forms of life. Later on, he believes he is transferring his consciousness to another body in order to get to a deep sea trench without being crushed by the pressure and apparently succeeds, only to discover that actual transfer is not possible: only copying, which now means there is another Simon (that the player might decide to MercyKill or spare). At the end of the game, he experiences the flip side of this, when he believes he is transferring his consciousness to a paradisaical virtual world...only to remain in the same place, since another copy was created inside it, meaning he is now trapped forever in the bottom of the ocean.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/SOMA'', ''VideoGame/{{SOMA}}'', this trope (or rather [[spoiler:how it relates to human consciousness]]) turns out to be central to the plot: [[spoiler:the protagonist finds himself "transported" to an underwater base in the post apocalyptic future after a brain scan due to the scan having been donated to science and made into a standard template by his long deceased original self and the base's malfunctioning AI experimenting in creating new forms of life. Later on, he believes he is transferring his consciousness to another body in order to get to a deep sea trench without being crushed by the pressure and apparently succeeds, only to discover that actual transfer is not possible: only copying, which now means there is another Simon (that the player might decide to MercyKill or spare). At the end of the game, he experiences the flip side of this, when he believes he is transferring his consciousness to a paradisaical virtual world...only to remain in the same place, since another copy was created inside it, meaning he is now trapped forever in the bottom of the ocean.]]
9th Jan '16 5:18:03 PM Psyclone
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* In ''VideoGame/SOMA'', this trope (or rather [[spoiler:how it relates to human consciousness]]) turns out to be central to the plot: [[spoiler:the protagonist finds himself "transported" to an underwater base in the post apocalyptic future after a brain scan due to the scan having been donated to science and made into a standard template by his long deceased original self and the base's malfunctioning AI experimenting in creating new forms of life. Later on, he believes he is transferring his consciousness to another body in order to get to a deep sea trench without being crushed by the pressure and apparently succeeds, only to discover that actual transfer is not possible: only copying, which now means there is another Simon (that the player might decide to MercyKill or spare). At the end of the game, he experiences the flip side of this, when he believes he is transferring his consciousness to a paradisaical virtual world...only to remain in the same place, since another copy was created inside it, meaning he is now trapped forever in the bottom of the ocean.]]
22nd Dec '15 6:33:12 AM Juicehead_Baby
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21st Dec '15 1:06:25 PM TedlyAnderson
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* ''Self-enforced'' with a character in ComicBooks/{{Invincible}}. Superhero [[spoiler:Robot]] is actually a deformed human living in a fluid tank, who's secretly been collecting genetic material in order to clone himself. The final product is a normal, healthy teenage boy with the exact same memories and mind as the original—and he immediately goes through with what he'd planned to do in this situation, [[MercyKill killing the original.]]
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