History Main / TwinMaker

23rd Sep '17 1:53:12 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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** Furthermore, a FreezeFrameBonus reveals that the missing lower half of Lilith was actually [[spoiler:''[[http://www.evacommentary.org/full-op/full-op_C237_comp.jpg used to create Unit-01]]''.]]

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** Furthermore, a FreezeFrameBonus reveals that the missing lower half of Lilith was actually [[spoiler:''[[http://www.evacommentary.org/full-op/full-op_C237_comp.[[spoiler:''[[https://wiki.evageeks.org/File:Tank_image_11a_bunshin.jpg used to create Unit-01]]''.]]
27th Aug '17 1:28:43 PM Psychadelico
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Where this trope gets interesting is how the moral status of the new copy and the moral implications of disposing of the original are handled. First, the treatment of the twin: Some characters won't see the problem with treating them both as if they were the same person, whereas others will point out that it only works from an ''external'' viewpoint: the person will seem exactly the same to everyone else, but the actual stream of consciousness has been severed, and the new copy is, in this sense, a completely different person. Sometimes it will be argued that the copy doesn't count as the original person, though given how interchangeable they would be if the paperwork for their birth certificates were ever mixed up, this argument is harder to hold up for long.

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Where this trope gets interesting is how the moral status of the new copy and the moral implications of disposing of the original are handled. First, the treatment of the twin: Some characters won't see the problem with treating them both as if they were the same person, whereas others will point out that it only works from an ''external'' viewpoint: the person will seem exactly the same to everyone else, but the actual stream of consciousness has been severed, severed,[[note]] Probably. Maybe. Perhaps. It's difficult to tell, because even from the point of view of the person at the far end of the device, there is no break in consciousness. As far as they are concerned, they went into the device and came out the other end, the same as ever. The person at the near end, if they ''weren't'' destroyed, is similar, as from their perspective the teleportation simply failed to work. And if they were destroyed... well, they're not around to share their perspective anymore, are they? And so their experience of the event remains unknown (and unknowable, barring the use of a spirit medium, which opens up a whole new can of worms in and of itself)[[/note]] and the new copy is, in this sense, a completely different person. Sometimes it will be argued that the copy doesn't count as the original person, though given how interchangeable they would be if the paperwork for their birth certificates were ever mixed up, this argument is harder to hold up for long.
2nd Jun '17 9:38:28 AM ravage
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* ''Self-enforced'' with a character in ComicBooks/{{Invincible}}. Superhero [[spoiler:Robot]] is actually a deformed human living in a fluid tank, who's secretly been collecting genetic material in order to clone himself. The final product is a normal, healthy teenage boy with the exact same memories and mind as the original—and he immediately goes through with what he'd planned to do in this situation, [[MercyKill killing the original.]]

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* ''Self-enforced'' with a character in ComicBooks/{{Invincible}}.ComicBook/{{Invincible}}. Superhero [[spoiler:Robot]] is actually a deformed human living in a fluid tank, who's secretly been collecting genetic material in order to clone himself. The final product is a normal, healthy teenage boy with the exact same memories and mind as the original—and he immediately goes through with what he'd planned to do in this situation, [[MercyKill killing the original.]]
24th Mar '17 6:05:25 PM FordPrefect
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* Creator/ChinaMieville's novel ''Literature/{{Kraken}}'' has a nasty subplot based on this idea, about an UrbanFantasy magician who developes a teleportation spell consciously inspired by ''Franchise/StarTrek'' transporters. He doesn't realise that the method actually kills the original and creates an unaware, perfect copy until the vengeful spirits of his dead former versions start haunting him. [[spoiler: The hero finally deliberately submits to this as a HeroicSacrifice, as it's the only fast enough way to get him where he needs to be to save the world.]]

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* Creator/ChinaMieville's novel ''Literature/{{Kraken}}'' has a nasty subplot based on this idea, about an UrbanFantasy magician who developes develops a teleportation spell consciously inspired by ''Franchise/StarTrek'' transporters. He doesn't realise that the method actually kills the original and creates an unaware, perfect copy until the vengeful spirits of his dead former versions start haunting him. [[spoiler: The hero finally deliberately submits to this as a HeroicSacrifice, as it's the only fast enough way to get him where he needs to be to save the world.]]
12th Mar '17 2:34:56 PM nombretomado
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* In the {{Mortasheen}} universe, [[KnightTemplar Wreathe]] uses portal technology, which preserves the teleported person intact but is incredibly inefficient. Meanwhile [[CrazyAwesome Mortasheen]] utilizes teleportation that makes a twin of the user somewhere else and destroys the original. Mortasheen being [[CrapsackWorld what it is]], no one there is bothered by this and the twin is considered and treated as the original. Wreathe, however, is revolted.

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* In the {{Mortasheen}} WebOriginal/{{Mortasheen}} universe, [[KnightTemplar Wreathe]] uses portal technology, which preserves the teleported person intact but is incredibly inefficient. Meanwhile [[CrazyAwesome Mortasheen]] utilizes teleportation that makes a twin of the user somewhere else and destroys the original. Mortasheen being [[CrapsackWorld what it is]], no one there is bothered by this and the twin is considered and treated as the original. Wreathe, however, is revolted.
30th Oct '16 10:03:56 PM Gingerkitteh
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** In ''System Shock 2'' it's called a ""Quantum Bio-Reconstruction Machine." So more of a clone box, not a teleporter.

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** In ''System Shock 2'' it's called a ""Quantum "Quantum Bio-Reconstruction Machine." So more of a clone box, not a teleporter.
1st Oct '16 1:37:49 PM Gamermaster
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* [[spoiler: Fate Testarossa]] of ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'' was developed as a ReplacementGoldfish shortly after the originals' death. [[WhyCouldntYouBeDifferent It didn't go exactly as planned,]] [[AbusiveParents and her creator wasn't thrilled.]]

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* [[spoiler: Fate Testarossa]] of ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'' was developed as a ReplacementGoldfish shortly after the originals' death. [[WhyCouldntYouBeDifferent It didn't go exactly as planned,]] [[AbusiveParents and her creator wasn't thrilled.]]
27th Sep '16 1:10:27 AM PaulA
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** The title character of ''Joshua, Son of None'' is a clone of JFK, whose upbringing and experiences are "managed" in a similar manner by his creators. The plan starts to go off the rails when he discovers this.

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** * The title character of ''Joshua, Son of None'' by Nancy Freedman is a clone of JFK, whose upbringing and experiences are "managed" in a similar manner by his creators. The plan starts to go off the rails when he discovers this.
11th Sep '16 8:25:58 PM PaulA
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* Creator/OrsonScottCard's short story "Fat Farm": People believe that they're signing up for a miraculous procedure that restores them to perfect health and youth. What really happens, of course, is that they're cloned, their memories are implanted into the clone body, and the clone leaves believing they're the original while the original is [[MadeASlave put into a forced labor camp]].

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* Creator/OrsonScottCard's short story "Fat Farm": Farm", collected in ''Literature/MapsInAMirror'': People believe that they're signing up for a miraculous procedure that restores them to perfect health and youth. What really happens, of course, happens is that they're cloned, their memories are implanted into the clone body, and the clone leaves believing they're the original while the original is [[MadeASlave put into a forced labor camp]].
3rd Sep '16 3:47:56 PM zarpaulus
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* The teleporter in [[http://redspaceblues.com/ Red Space Blues]] has a significant delay between copying and "clean-up", which is [[http://redspaceblues.com/?comic=red-space-blues-10 rather messy too]].

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* The teleporter in [[http://redspaceblues.com/ Red Space Blues]] ''Webcomic/RedSpaceBlues'' has a significant delay between copying and "clean-up", which is [[http://redspaceblues.com/?comic=red-space-blues-10 rather messy too]].
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