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15th Sep '16 1:30:20 AM PaulA
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* In ''EndersGame'', of course, the Battle School instructors have set up a system where almost everything the instructors do is part of a trick.

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* In ''EndersGame'', of course, ''Literature/EndersGame'', the Battle School instructors have set up a system where almost everything the instructors do is part of a trick.
21st Aug '16 9:34:10 AM nombretomado
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%%* Fizban[[spoiler:/Paladine]] in the ''DragonLance Chronicles'' trilogy.

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%%* Fizban[[spoiler:/Paladine]] in the ''DragonLance ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}} Chronicles'' trilogy.
14th Aug '16 6:59:36 PM PaulA
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* Terry Pratchett's Literature/{{Discworld}} novel ''Thief of Time'' includes Lu-Tze, a deliberate pastiche of Mr. Miyagi style trickster mentors. In true Zen form the humble sweeper Lu-Tze never quite lets on whether he's a profoundly enlightened wiseman with reality-defying martial arts powers or just a wiseass who gets by on audacity and luck alone. Right up until the end, when it is revealed [[spoiler:that he's the former.]]

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* Terry Pratchett's Literature/{{Discworld}} novel ''Thief of Time'' ''Discworld/ThiefOfTime'' includes Lu-Tze, a deliberate pastiche of Mr. Miyagi style trickster mentors. In true Zen form the humble sweeper Lu-Tze never quite lets on whether he's a profoundly enlightened wiseman with reality-defying martial arts powers or just a wiseass who gets by on audacity and luck alone. Right up until the end, when it is revealed [[spoiler:that he's the former.]]former]].
14th Aug '16 6:58:41 PM PaulA
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* It is impossible to describe the [[TheFourGods Quintarian]] deity known as the Bastard from [[LoisMcMasterBujold Bujold's]] Chalion books, ''Paladin of Souls'' in particular, as anything but this.
-->'''Ista''': "What training? You never explained anything."
-->'''Bastard''': "Instructing you, sweet Ista, would be like teaching a falcon to walk up to its prey. It might with great effort be done, but one would end with a very footsore and cranky bird, and a tedious wait for dinner. With a wingspan like yours, it's ever so much easier to shake you from my wrist and see you fly."
-->'''Ista''': "Plummet."
-->'''Bastard''': "No. Not you. Granted, you tumble and complain halfway to the abyss, but eventually you do spread your wings and soar."

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* It is impossible to describe the [[TheFourGods Quintarian]] The deity known as the Bastard from [[LoisMcMasterBujold Bujold's]] Chalion Creator/LoisMcMasterBujold's ''Literature/{{Chalion}}'' books, ''Paladin of Souls'' ''Literature/PaladinOfSouls'' in particular, as anything but this.
-->'''Ista''': "What
particular.
-->'''Ista:''' What
training? You never explained anything."
-->'''Bastard''': "Instructing
\\
'''Bastard:''' Instructing
you, sweet Ista, would be like teaching a falcon to walk up to its prey. It might with great effort be done, but one would end with a very footsore and cranky bird, and a tedious wait for dinner. With a wingspan like yours, it's ever so much easier to shake you from my wrist and see you fly."
-->'''Ista''': "Plummet."
-->'''Bastard''': "No.
\\
'''Ista:''' Plummet.\\
'''Bastard:''' No.
Not you. Granted, you tumble and complain halfway to the abyss, but eventually you do spread your wings and soar."
14th Aug '16 6:57:20 PM PaulA
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%%* Hagbard Celine in ''Literature/TheIlluminatusTrilogy''.
** Likewise, the Dealy Lama (no misspelling). Both more or less good guys who make extreme effort to appear unreliable or even dangerous and evil to their wards. When you manage to connect the dots, you'll realize that the Dealy Lama was this trope: [[spoiler:he inspired the myth that would become [[{{Satan}} the Devil-character]] of every mythology in existence, including the UsefulNotes/{{Discordianism}} - about himself!]]

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%%* * In ''Literature/TheIlluminatusTrilogy'', Hagbard Celine in ''Literature/TheIlluminatusTrilogy''.
** Likewise,
and the Dealy Lama (no misspelling). Both misspelling) are both more or less good guys who make extreme effort to appear unreliable or even dangerous and evil to their wards. When you manage to connect the dots, you'll realize that the Dealy Lama was this trope: [[spoiler:he inspired the myth that would become [[{{Satan}} the Devil-character]] of every mythology in existence, including the UsefulNotes/{{Discordianism}} - about himself!]]
13th Aug '16 12:09:15 PM nombretomado
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* [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Cross Marian]] of ''DGrayMan'',He really does love Allen. Hoshino even says Cross cares for him like his own child. But, Cross roughs him up alot, because he likes Allen's dark side, as Hoshino stated. And that's probably because that side is closer to real Allen, as opposed to the repressed boy be became after Mana's death. Allen has a few traumatic memories from his years with Cross. Mainly the debts. But it's played for laughs.

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* [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Cross Marian]] of ''DGrayMan'',He ''Manga/DGrayMan'' really does love Allen. Hoshino even says Cross cares for him like his own child. But, Cross roughs him up alot, because he likes Allen's dark side, as Hoshino stated. And that's probably because that side is closer to real Allen, as opposed to the repressed boy be became after Mana's death. Allen has a few traumatic memories from his years with Cross. Mainly the debts. But it's played for laughs.
1st Aug '16 8:34:53 PM JapaneseTeeth
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* ''Manga/MyMonsterSecret'': Most of [[{{Troll}} Akane's]] shenanigans are for her own amusement, but there are a number of times her antics are intended to help the students work through their interpersonal issues. In particular, she's fond of using her shapeshifting powers to force them to actually acknowledge their feelings for each other rather than stay in denial about it.
26th Jun '16 9:22:58 PM nombretomado
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* [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Harry Dresden]] has the misfortune to have several supernatural entities of great power and mysterious natures interested in teaching him something, but he's never entirely sure ''what'' he's meant to learn. Examples include [[FairyGodmother Leanansidhe]], [[TheFairFolk Queen Mab and the Mothers]], the ArchangelUriel, [[EldritchAbomination He Who Walks Behind]], and [[ShroudedInMyth Rashid the Gatekeeper]], and since many of them appear to be on [[GambitPileup different sides]] and are quite willing for him to die if he's not strong enough to survive the lesson, he's often lost for reliable, non-lethal guidance. As of ColdDays, he's finally had it spelled out to him that [[spoiler: he should just keep blundering through life, trying to sort out the problems he comes across / creates along the way, as it seems destiny has every intention of continuing to [[SpannerInTheWorks aim him in the general direction of whatever needs to get broken]]]].

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* [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Harry Dresden]] has the misfortune to have several supernatural entities of great power and mysterious natures interested in teaching him something, but he's never entirely sure ''what'' he's meant to learn. Examples include [[FairyGodmother Leanansidhe]], [[TheFairFolk Queen Mab and the Mothers]], the ArchangelUriel, [[EldritchAbomination He Who Walks Behind]], and [[ShroudedInMyth Rashid the Gatekeeper]], and since many of them appear to be on [[GambitPileup different sides]] and are quite willing for him to die if he's not strong enough to survive the lesson, he's often lost for reliable, non-lethal guidance. As of ColdDays, ''Literature/ColdDays'', he's finally had it spelled out to him that [[spoiler: he should just keep blundering through life, trying to sort out the problems he comes across / creates along the way, as it seems destiny has every intention of continuing to [[SpannerInTheWorks aim him in the general direction of whatever needs to get broken]]]].
26th Jun '16 8:56:55 PM nombretomado
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* [[TheDresdenFiles Harry Dresden]] has the misfortune to have several supernatural entities of great power and mysterious natures interested in teaching him something, but he's never entirely sure ''what'' he's meant to learn. Examples include [[FairyGodmother Leanansidhe]], [[TheFairFolk Queen Mab and the Mothers]], the ArchangelUriel, [[EldritchAbomination He Who Walks Behind]], and [[ShroudedInMyth Rashid the Gatekeeper]], and since many of them appear to be on [[GambitPileup different sides]] and are quite willing for him to die if he's not strong enough to survive the lesson, he's often lost for reliable, non-lethal guidance. As of ColdDays, he's finally had it spelled out to him that [[spoiler: he should just keep blundering through life, trying to sort out the problems he comes across / creates along the way, as it seems destiny has every intention of continuing to [[SpannerInTheWorks aim him in the general direction of whatever needs to get broken]]]].

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* [[TheDresdenFiles [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Harry Dresden]] has the misfortune to have several supernatural entities of great power and mysterious natures interested in teaching him something, but he's never entirely sure ''what'' he's meant to learn. Examples include [[FairyGodmother Leanansidhe]], [[TheFairFolk Queen Mab and the Mothers]], the ArchangelUriel, [[EldritchAbomination He Who Walks Behind]], and [[ShroudedInMyth Rashid the Gatekeeper]], and since many of them appear to be on [[GambitPileup different sides]] and are quite willing for him to die if he's not strong enough to survive the lesson, he's often lost for reliable, non-lethal guidance. As of ColdDays, he's finally had it spelled out to him that [[spoiler: he should just keep blundering through life, trying to sort out the problems he comes across / creates along the way, as it seems destiny has every intention of continuing to [[SpannerInTheWorks aim him in the general direction of whatever needs to get broken]]]].
12th Jun '16 10:03:17 AM 0nyx
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* Vriska in ''Webcomic/HomeStuck'' subverts this. She believes herself to be a Trickster Mentor to [[TheWoobie Tavros]] by constantly heckling him and [[spoiler: forcing him into an unwinnable situation that led to him being paralyzed]] because she thought it would make him a stronger person. She later admits that she was really just being a [[JerkAss bitch]] because she despised his doormat personality.
** [[SpiritAdvisor Sprites]] are ''meant'' to be this, packaging all of their knowledge in abstract riddles. However, most aren't, thanks to [[TheDitz unintelligence]], [[TheLoad uselessness]], or [[StraightMan simply not caring for riddles]]. Only Nannasprite counts, and she was a massive prankster before she became a sprite anyway.
-->'''DAVESPRITE:''' im supposed to be cagey about it
-->'''DAVESPRITE:''' but i dont really feel like it
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