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25th May '16 8:28:13 PM Willbyr
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* [[BoisterousBruiser Jack Rakan]] of ''MahouSenseiNegima'' is like this. His training techniques include things like "Make a really ugly face and do 100 punches!" and "Punch me as hard as you can!". Yet, Negi still manages to [[spoiler: learn BlackMagic]] under his guidance.

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* [[BoisterousBruiser Jack Rakan]] of ''MahouSenseiNegima'' ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'' is like this. His training techniques include things like "Make a really ugly face and do 100 punches!" and "Punch me as hard as you can!". Yet, Negi still manages to [[spoiler: learn BlackMagic]] under his guidance.



* The masters of Ryouzanpakou do this to [[KenichiTheMightiestDisciple Kenichi]] all the time. Their favorite technique is to focus training on one main task that is completely impossible, so that Kenichi will be so focused on that failure that he doesn't notice any of the progress he's made.

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* The masters of Ryouzanpakou do this to [[KenichiTheMightiestDisciple [[Manga/KenichiTheMightiestDisciple Kenichi]] all the time. Their favorite technique is to focus training on one main task that is completely impossible, so that Kenichi will be so focused on that failure that he doesn't notice any of the progress he's made.
20th May '16 4:40:07 AM DannWoolf
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** In ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', Vegeta plays this role towards Cabba [[spoiler:during their fight in the inter-universe tournament: By (falsely) claiming that he'll kill Cabba and destroy his homeplanet, making Cabba angry enough to go Super Saiyan for the first time.]]
19th May '16 2:57:12 PM BGFU
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There's some discussion about the Trickster Mentoring in this dual episode (AlternativeCharacterImplementation on the YMMV subpage): Princess Celestia sent [[spoiler:Discord]] instead of Twilight to fight the BigBad. In the end, this resulted in a valuable lesson for Twilight and [[spoiler:Discord]] both. [[spoiler:Discord]]'s [[spoiler: treachery]] also managed to teach Twilight an important lesson.

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There's some discussion about the Trickster Mentoring in this dual episode (AlternativeCharacterImplementation on the YMMV subpage): Princess Celestia sent [[spoiler:Discord]] instead of Twilight to fight the BigBad. In the end, this resulted in a valuable lesson for Twilight and [[spoiler:Discord]] both. [[spoiler:Discord]]'s [[spoiler: treachery]] also managed to teach Twilight an important lesson. \\\
In Season 5 episode "What About Discord?", when Twilight is already the proud Princess of Friendship, she spends a couple of days at home reorganizing her library. When she finally decides to meet her friends, she discovers that, while she was absent, Discord visited them, they had a good time, and now they apparently have lots of inside jokes which Twilight obviously doesn't get because "she wasn't there". After a while of seeing Discord having fun with her best friends, she starts feeling jealous and left-out, but doesn't want to admit it to herself, since she's the Princess of Friendship. That leads to her trying to re-create their good time, and, when that fails, suspecting that Discord had put her friends after some kind of spell. [[spoiler: He hadn't. Twilight has to admit that being the Princess of Friendship doesn't warrant her from being jealous, and even though Discord states that it's just a lucky coincidence and it was never his intent to make Twilight feel this way, his jerky attitude during the episode and the huge reveal suggests that it, in fact, was.]]
30th Apr '16 2:37:41 AM Tron80
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* ''Fanfic/ThousandShinji'': [[SpaceMarine Khnemu]] taught Shinji the ways of scheming and manipulating. In order to train him properly, Khnemu betrayed and backstabbed Shinji constantly, and he expected that Shinji tried to outwit him and double-cross him in turn. Even so, he cared for his disciple, and Shinji was aware ot it.
13th Apr '16 12:27:25 PM Tron80
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%%* Takamura, towards Ippo in ''HajimeNoIppo''.

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%%* Takamura, towards Ippo in ''HajimeNoIppo''.''Manga/HajimeNoIppo''.



* In ''Anime/PanzerWorldGalient'', [[ActionGirl Hilmuka]] loves teasing, testing and tricking [[TheHero Jordy]] so he learns to fight and discovers their enemy's true nature and capabilities. how to and tricking him so : The titular HumongousMecha is capable of transforming into a red-and-white jet fighter.

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* In ''Anime/PanzerWorldGalient'', [[ActionGirl Hilmuka]] loves teasing, testing and tricking [[TheHero Jordy]] so he learns to fight and discovers their enemy's true nature and capabilities. how to and tricking him so : The titular HumongousMecha is capable of transforming into a red-and-white jet fighter.
13th Apr '16 12:24:12 PM Tron80
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* In ''Anime/PanzerWorldGalient'', [[ActionGirl Hilmuka]] loves teasing, testing and tricking [[TheHero Jordy]] so he learns to fight and discovers their enemy's true nature and capabilities. how to and tricking him so : The titular HumongousMecha is capable of transforming into a red-and-white jet fighter.
20th Mar '16 8:10:48 AM Morgenthaler
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* Franz Stresemann to Chiaki in ''NodameCantabile''.

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* Takamura, towards Ippo in ''HajimeNoIppo''.

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* Xerxes Break in ''PandoraHearts''.

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* Mr. Miyagi from ''Film/TheKarateKid'', as a particularly iconic example.
* ''Film/NannyMcPhee'' in the movie of the same name.
* [[Film/StarWars Yoda]].

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* %%* Mr. Miyagi from ''Film/TheKarateKid'', as a particularly iconic example.
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* Buddy in ''Film/AngerManagement''.
* Lionel Logue in ''Film/TheKingsSpeech''.
* ''Film/MaryPoppins''

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* ''Literature/MaryPoppins''
* "Mr. Wednesday" in ''Literature/AmericanGods''.
* Hagbard Celine in ''Literature/TheIlluminatusTrilogy''.

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* %%* "Mr. Wednesday" in ''Literature/AmericanGods''.
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* Fizban[[spoiler:/Paladine]] in the ''DragonLance Chronicles'' trilogy.

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* %%* Fizban[[spoiler:/Paladine]] in the ''DragonLance Chronicles'' trilogy.



* Garak was a Trickster Mentor to Bashir in ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''.
* {{Satan}} himself plays a Trickster Mentor to Zeke in ''Series/{{Brimstone}}'' and Sam in ''Series/{{Reaper}}''.

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* %%* Garak was a Trickster Mentor to Bashir in ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''.
* %%* {{Satan}} himself plays a Trickster Mentor to Zeke in ''Series/{{Brimstone}}'' and Sam in ''Series/{{Reaper}}''.



* Max Malini in ''TheCape''

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* In Westwood Studio's 1997 game based on the film ''Film/BladeRunner'', Gaff acts as one to the protagonist Ray [=McCoy=].

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* %%* In Westwood Studio's 1997 game based on the film ''Film/BladeRunner'', Gaff acts as one to the protagonist Ray [=McCoy=].



* The DungeonMaster from the cartoon ''WesternAnimation/DungeonsAndDragons''.
* Puck (of Shakespeare fame) in ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}''

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* %%* The DungeonMaster from the cartoon ''WesternAnimation/DungeonsAndDragons''.
* %%* Puck (of Shakespeare fame) in ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}}''
20th Mar '16 7:42:35 AM Morgenthaler
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** Iroh arguably also fits the mold, though his ward turns out to be so thickheaded that eventually he just ends up spelling out his teachings when the subtleties fail.
*** His attempts to subtly instill good moral fiber into Zuko by way of oblique proverbs on the one hand [[HeelFaceTurn may have worked]]; on the other hand there was ''always'' a decent kid under all the WellDoneSonGuy RoyalBrat, and Iroh's insistence on being mysterious just made it harder for Zuko to trust him, since the constant awareness that stuff was going on on a level he couldn't grasp was reminiscent of being headgamed by [[MagnificentBastard Azula]].
*** Of course, a lot of Iroh's characterization was established when the creators still intended for him to turn out to secretly be evil, giving him a lot more complexity than average.
20th Mar '16 7:42:06 AM Morgenthaler
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* In many ways, UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} Franchise/{{Superman}} was one of these, particularly to his pal Jimmy Olsen and his girlfriend, Lois Lane (as well as his various other girlfriends). There are countless stories where Superman puts his loved ones through various sorts of Hell in order to teach them lame moral lessons. For Jimmy, the lessons often boiled down to "don't drink things you're not supposed to;" for Lois, they usually were "stop trying to find out my secret identity/trick me into marrying you." For the readers, the lesson was "[[SuperDickery Superman is a dick]]."

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* Franchise/{{Superman}}:
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In many ways, UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} Franchise/{{Superman}} Superman was one of these, particularly to his pal Jimmy Olsen and his girlfriend, Lois Lane (as well as his various other girlfriends). There are countless stories where Superman puts his loved ones through various sorts of Hell in order to teach them lame moral lessons. For Jimmy, the lessons often boiled down to "don't drink things you're not supposed to;" for Lois, they usually were "stop trying to find out my secret identity/trick me into marrying you." For the readers, the lesson was "[[SuperDickery Superman is a dick]]."



* Q, from the various ''Franchise/StarTrek'' series, plays tricks that seem borderline evil at times, but ultimately contain an important lesson . . . unless he's just messing with you.
** The three big ones: he arranges an encounter between the ''Enterprise'' and the Borg, giving the Federation a year's warning and time to prepare before the Borg were due to arrive. Another time, Q gives Picard a chance for a Do-Over with the promise it won't affect others, leading Picard to discover that his untidy past and brash youth was necessary for him to become the person he is today. Finally, Q sets up Picard to create the paradox that would prevent life evolving on Earth; but at the same time gives him the [[HumanityOnTrial tools to escape]].
*** And at the very end, it seems like Q might be about to reveal another big secret to Picard... but decides that HelpingWouldBeKillStealing, and merely tells him, "You'll find out."

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* ''Franchise/StarTrek'':
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Q, from the his appearances in various ''Franchise/StarTrek'' series, plays tricks that seem borderline evil at times, but ultimately contain an important lesson . . . unless he's just messing with you.
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you. The three big ones: he arranges an encounter between the ''Enterprise'' and the Borg, giving the Federation a year's warning and time to prepare before the Borg were due to arrive. Another time, Q gives Picard a chance for a Do-Over with the promise it won't affect others, leading Picard to discover that his untidy past and brash youth was necessary for him to become the person he is today. Finally, Q sets up Picard to create the paradox that would prevent life evolving on Earth; but at the same time gives him the [[HumanityOnTrial tools to escape]].
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escape]]. And at the very end, it seems like Q might be about to reveal another big secret to Picard... but decides that HelpingWouldBeKillStealing, and merely tells him, "You'll find out."



* In their essay "The Sound of One House Clapping" (appearing in the volume ''House and Philosophy''), Jeffrey C. Russ and Jeremy Barris argue that ''Series/{{House}}'' is a trickster mentor in the classic Zen tradition. The closing [[StoryArc arc]] of Season 3 has Foreman wrestling with the prospect that he's an EvilMentor. This comes back in Season 6 [[spoiler: after Chase [[IDidWhatIHadToDo murders a patient]] (an African dictator) to prevent him from perpetrating genocide on part of his country's population.]]

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* ''Series/{{House}}'':
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In their essay "The Sound of One House Clapping" (appearing in the volume ''House and Philosophy''), Jeffrey C. Russ and Jeremy Barris argue that ''Series/{{House}}'' House is a trickster mentor in the classic Zen tradition. The closing [[StoryArc arc]] of Season 3 has Foreman wrestling with the prospect that he's an EvilMentor. This comes back in Season 6 [[spoiler: after Chase [[IDidWhatIHadToDo murders a patient]] (an African dictator) to prevent him from perpetrating genocide on part of his country's population.]]



** The moral is that Magic Man is a jerk.
20th Mar '16 7:38:17 AM Morgenthaler
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->'''Speedy:''' [[BatmanGambit You wanted him to steal that junk]], Lou? That's a lot of baloney.\\

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->'''Speedy:''' [[BatmanGambit You wanted him to steal that junk]], junk, Lou? That's a lot of baloney.\\
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