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26th Jun '16 9:22:58 PM nombretomado
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* [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Harry Dresden]] has the misfortune to have several supernatural entities of great power and mysterious natures interested in teaching him something, but he's never entirely sure ''what'' he's meant to learn. Examples include [[FairyGodmother Leanansidhe]], [[TheFairFolk Queen Mab and the Mothers]], the ArchangelUriel, [[EldritchAbomination He Who Walks Behind]], and [[ShroudedInMyth Rashid the Gatekeeper]], and since many of them appear to be on [[GambitPileup different sides]] and are quite willing for him to die if he's not strong enough to survive the lesson, he's often lost for reliable, non-lethal guidance. As of ColdDays, he's finally had it spelled out to him that [[spoiler: he should just keep blundering through life, trying to sort out the problems he comes across / creates along the way, as it seems destiny has every intention of continuing to [[SpannerInTheWorks aim him in the general direction of whatever needs to get broken]]]].

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* [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Harry Dresden]] has the misfortune to have several supernatural entities of great power and mysterious natures interested in teaching him something, but he's never entirely sure ''what'' he's meant to learn. Examples include [[FairyGodmother Leanansidhe]], [[TheFairFolk Queen Mab and the Mothers]], the ArchangelUriel, [[EldritchAbomination He Who Walks Behind]], and [[ShroudedInMyth Rashid the Gatekeeper]], and since many of them appear to be on [[GambitPileup different sides]] and are quite willing for him to die if he's not strong enough to survive the lesson, he's often lost for reliable, non-lethal guidance. As of ColdDays, ''Literature/ColdDays'', he's finally had it spelled out to him that [[spoiler: he should just keep blundering through life, trying to sort out the problems he comes across / creates along the way, as it seems destiny has every intention of continuing to [[SpannerInTheWorks aim him in the general direction of whatever needs to get broken]]]].
26th Jun '16 8:56:55 PM nombretomado
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* [[TheDresdenFiles Harry Dresden]] has the misfortune to have several supernatural entities of great power and mysterious natures interested in teaching him something, but he's never entirely sure ''what'' he's meant to learn. Examples include [[FairyGodmother Leanansidhe]], [[TheFairFolk Queen Mab and the Mothers]], the ArchangelUriel, [[EldritchAbomination He Who Walks Behind]], and [[ShroudedInMyth Rashid the Gatekeeper]], and since many of them appear to be on [[GambitPileup different sides]] and are quite willing for him to die if he's not strong enough to survive the lesson, he's often lost for reliable, non-lethal guidance. As of ColdDays, he's finally had it spelled out to him that [[spoiler: he should just keep blundering through life, trying to sort out the problems he comes across / creates along the way, as it seems destiny has every intention of continuing to [[SpannerInTheWorks aim him in the general direction of whatever needs to get broken]]]].

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* [[TheDresdenFiles [[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Harry Dresden]] has the misfortune to have several supernatural entities of great power and mysterious natures interested in teaching him something, but he's never entirely sure ''what'' he's meant to learn. Examples include [[FairyGodmother Leanansidhe]], [[TheFairFolk Queen Mab and the Mothers]], the ArchangelUriel, [[EldritchAbomination He Who Walks Behind]], and [[ShroudedInMyth Rashid the Gatekeeper]], and since many of them appear to be on [[GambitPileup different sides]] and are quite willing for him to die if he's not strong enough to survive the lesson, he's often lost for reliable, non-lethal guidance. As of ColdDays, he's finally had it spelled out to him that [[spoiler: he should just keep blundering through life, trying to sort out the problems he comes across / creates along the way, as it seems destiny has every intention of continuing to [[SpannerInTheWorks aim him in the general direction of whatever needs to get broken]]]].
12th Jun '16 10:03:17 AM 0nyx
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* Vriska in ''Webcomic/HomeStuck'' subverts this. She believes herself to be a Trickster Mentor to [[TheWoobie Tavros]] by constantly heckling him and [[spoiler: forcing him into an unwinnable situation that led to him being paralyzed]] because she thought it would make him a stronger person. She later admits that she was really just being a [[JerkAss bitch]] because she despised his doormat personality.
** [[SpiritAdvisor Sprites]] are ''meant'' to be this, packaging all of their knowledge in abstract riddles. However, most aren't, thanks to [[TheDitz unintelligence]], [[TheLoad uselessness]], or [[StraightMan simply not caring for riddles]]. Only Nannasprite counts, and she was a massive prankster before she became a sprite anyway.
-->'''DAVESPRITE:''' im supposed to be cagey about it
-->'''DAVESPRITE:''' but i dont really feel like it
9th Jun '16 1:46:25 AM Skybrigadier
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* ''Fanfic/CorrinReacts'': Azama certainly thinks he's one. Unfortunately for [[ChickMagnet Kaze]], it manifests in him allowing Kaze's [[AbhorrentAdmirer fangirls]] to chase him through the Hoshidan capital.
25th May '16 8:28:13 PM Willbyr
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* [[BoisterousBruiser Jack Rakan]] of ''MahouSenseiNegima'' is like this. His training techniques include things like "Make a really ugly face and do 100 punches!" and "Punch me as hard as you can!". Yet, Negi still manages to [[spoiler: learn BlackMagic]] under his guidance.

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* [[BoisterousBruiser Jack Rakan]] of ''MahouSenseiNegima'' ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'' is like this. His training techniques include things like "Make a really ugly face and do 100 punches!" and "Punch me as hard as you can!". Yet, Negi still manages to [[spoiler: learn BlackMagic]] under his guidance.



* The masters of Ryouzanpakou do this to [[KenichiTheMightiestDisciple Kenichi]] all the time. Their favorite technique is to focus training on one main task that is completely impossible, so that Kenichi will be so focused on that failure that he doesn't notice any of the progress he's made.

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* The masters of Ryouzanpakou do this to [[KenichiTheMightiestDisciple [[Manga/KenichiTheMightiestDisciple Kenichi]] all the time. Their favorite technique is to focus training on one main task that is completely impossible, so that Kenichi will be so focused on that failure that he doesn't notice any of the progress he's made.
20th May '16 4:40:07 AM DannWoolf
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** In ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'', Vegeta plays this role towards Cabba [[spoiler:during their fight in the inter-universe tournament: By (falsely) claiming that he'll kill Cabba and destroy his homeplanet, making Cabba angry enough to go Super Saiyan for the first time.]]
19th May '16 2:57:12 PM BGFU
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There's some discussion about the Trickster Mentoring in this dual episode (AlternativeCharacterImplementation on the YMMV subpage): Princess Celestia sent [[spoiler:Discord]] instead of Twilight to fight the BigBad. In the end, this resulted in a valuable lesson for Twilight and [[spoiler:Discord]] both. [[spoiler:Discord]]'s [[spoiler: treachery]] also managed to teach Twilight an important lesson.

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There's some discussion about the Trickster Mentoring in this dual episode (AlternativeCharacterImplementation on the YMMV subpage): Princess Celestia sent [[spoiler:Discord]] instead of Twilight to fight the BigBad. In the end, this resulted in a valuable lesson for Twilight and [[spoiler:Discord]] both. [[spoiler:Discord]]'s [[spoiler: treachery]] also managed to teach Twilight an important lesson. \\\
In Season 5 episode "What About Discord?", when Twilight is already the proud Princess of Friendship, she spends a couple of days at home reorganizing her library. When she finally decides to meet her friends, she discovers that, while she was absent, Discord visited them, they had a good time, and now they apparently have lots of inside jokes which Twilight obviously doesn't get because "she wasn't there". After a while of seeing Discord having fun with her best friends, she starts feeling jealous and left-out, but doesn't want to admit it to herself, since she's the Princess of Friendship. That leads to her trying to re-create their good time, and, when that fails, suspecting that Discord had put her friends after some kind of spell. [[spoiler: He hadn't. Twilight has to admit that being the Princess of Friendship doesn't warrant her from being jealous, and even though Discord states that it's just a lucky coincidence and it was never his intent to make Twilight feel this way, his jerky attitude during the episode and the huge reveal suggests that it, in fact, was.]]
30th Apr '16 2:37:41 AM Tron80
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* ''Fanfic/ThousandShinji'': [[SpaceMarine Khnemu]] taught Shinji the ways of scheming and manipulating. In order to train him properly, Khnemu betrayed and backstabbed Shinji constantly, and he expected that Shinji tried to outwit him and double-cross him in turn. Even so, he cared for his disciple, and Shinji was aware ot it.
13th Apr '16 12:27:25 PM Tron80
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%%* Takamura, towards Ippo in ''HajimeNoIppo''.

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%%* Takamura, towards Ippo in ''HajimeNoIppo''.''Manga/HajimeNoIppo''.



* In ''Anime/PanzerWorldGalient'', [[ActionGirl Hilmuka]] loves teasing, testing and tricking [[TheHero Jordy]] so he learns to fight and discovers their enemy's true nature and capabilities. how to and tricking him so : The titular HumongousMecha is capable of transforming into a red-and-white jet fighter.

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* In ''Anime/PanzerWorldGalient'', [[ActionGirl Hilmuka]] loves teasing, testing and tricking [[TheHero Jordy]] so he learns to fight and discovers their enemy's true nature and capabilities. how to and tricking him so : The titular HumongousMecha is capable of transforming into a red-and-white jet fighter.
13th Apr '16 12:24:12 PM Tron80
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* In ''Anime/PanzerWorldGalient'', [[ActionGirl Hilmuka]] loves teasing, testing and tricking [[TheHero Jordy]] so he learns to fight and discovers their enemy's true nature and capabilities. how to and tricking him so : The titular HumongousMecha is capable of transforming into a red-and-white jet fighter.
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