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->''"The fool hath said in his heart, [[TropeNamer There is no God]]. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."''
-->-- Psalms 14:1, Literature/TheBible
Bad things tend to happen but some are so bad that some characters can't refrain from concluding that there can't be a God in this universe, or if there is then he's insane or [[GodIsEvil malevolent]].
May be used in three common ways.
# Played for drama: a character [[CrisisOfFaith loses his faith]] after something bad happens.
# Used semi seriously: "Man, this world '''sucks'''".
# PlayedForLaughs.
Please note that this trope is about questioning a benevolent God's existence because of a single bad event, which is a fallacy. If God is confirmed not to exist in this particular universe, it's ReligionIsWrong. When God ''is'' confirmed to exist and [[GodIsGood also confirmed to be good]] but lets the bad event anyways, you have the OmniscientMoralityLicense.
See also CrisisOfFaith. The direct opposite is, of course, ThereIsAGod. Compare GodIsDead. Also compare AGodIAmNot, where a godlike being refuses to be called "God".
Many a HollywoodAtheist uses this fallacy as a justification, while a NayTheist believes he exists but still doesn't like the guy.
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!!Examples:
[[AC:ComicBooks]]
* One of the story beats in WarrenEllis's run on ''{{Stormwatch}},'' which carried over into ''TheAuthority'' a few years later, was that God does not exist. The Doctor mentions it offhandedly in Ellis's final arc, and earlier, a "villain" called the Eidolon had come back from beyond the grave to try to convince people to make the most of their lives.
[[AC:{{Film}}]]
* The ''MrBean'' movie, when David is trying to get Mr. Bean to act professionally.
* In ''{{Caddyshack}}'', one of the club members (who happens to be a bishop) has his perfect game of golf (in the middle of a raging storm) ruined by a single bad putt, turns to curse the heavens, and is struck by lightning immediately. The next day, he's shown as a drunken mess proclaiming that there is no God.
* In one film version of ''Film/TheCountOfMonteCristo'', the despairing title character gives up all hope in God, having been incarcerated in a harsh French prison for several years.
* ''Film/BrassedOff'': Mr Chuckles, after memorably screwing up a children's party:
-->'''Angry Middle-Class Mum''': May god forgive you.
-->'''Mr Chuckles''': God? Oh right, there now, there's the fella. I mean what's he doin', eh? He can take JohnLennon, he can take those three young lads down at Ainsley Pit, he's even thinkin' of taking my old man, and ''[[MargaretThatcher Margaret bloody Thatcher lives?]]'' I mean, ''what's he soddin' playin' at'', eh? ... You've been great. My name's Coco the Scab.
* ''Film/IllusiveTracks'': One of the nuns, after Gunnar wreaks havoc and hurts several people, including her.
[[AC:LiveActionTV]]
* There was an throwaway gag in one episode of ''{{Frasier}}'' where he learnt that a radio show he hated had received national syndication. Frasier's response was something along the lines of "Well, that's great news for her - and also for the millions of atheists who will be thrilled by this vindication."
* A favourite AuthorTract in ''TheBoys''.
[[AC:{{Music}}]]
* ''TheDearHunter'': "[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin No God]]" is a literal example of this.
[[AC:WebComics]]
* Justin in ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' upon seeing [[TheStoic Susan's]] [[TastesLikeDiabetes "kitty face"]], thinks to himself that there is no god.
[[AC:WebVideo]]
* One episode of ''WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall'' that involved mention of religion in a comic had Linkara joke that the comic's existence is a pretty good argument against the existence of God.
[[AC:WesternAnimation]]
* In the ''{{Simpsons}}'' episode "Last Exit to Springfield," when the school photographer gets Lisa to smile for her school photo and sees the horrible 19th century style braces she's wearing (because there's no dental plan at the Power Plant where Homer works) he {{gasp}}s out "There is no god!"
* The infamous ''FamilyGuy'' episode "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven" has Brian using Meg's [[InformedDeformity unattractiveness]] as evidence of God's nonexistence.
** Logically, as he argues that no loving creator would make Meg in her ugly father's image rather than her hot mother's, [[AuthorAvatar Brian]] is actually arguing that SethMacfarlane either doesn't exist or is a cruel bastard.
* One episode of ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' sees Cartman inheriting a million dollars and buying his own private theme park. Kyle is dumbfounded at the idea that God would reward such a rotten person, and ends up getting a hemorrhoid. As things get better for Cartman, Kyle's condition worsens and he renounces his faith. At the point where Kyle is on the verge of death ([[RuleOfFunny yes, from a hemorrhoid]]), Stan brings him to the theme park in time to see Cartman's dream destroyed by his own greed, at which point Kyle makes a miraculous recovery.
--> '''Kyle (looking up, smiling):''' [[ThereIsAGod You]] ''[[ThereIsAGod are]]'' [[ThereIsAGod up there!]]
** The episode also has Kyle [[LampshadeHanging lampshade]] the [[Literature/TheBible story of Job]] by asking how the God who would punish a decent man just to prove a point to Satan could possibly be considered benevolent. It doesn't help that his parents forgot the last part of the story where God rewards Job,and gives him more than what Job had before he lost everything.
[[AC:OtherSites]]
* ''Website/{{Cracked}}'' loves this trope. Especially in lists of Top X Things That Are Somehow Unpleasant To Even Read About.
* [[http://www.theonion.com/articles/eons-of-darwinian-evolution-somehow-produce-mitch,17635/ One article]] in ''TheOnion'' had a StrawLoser whose very existence was an affront to both the theory of evolution (what purpose can this guy possibly serve?!) ''and'' the existence of a kind and loving god (If we're made in God's image, well...), with each side parading him around as the ultimate argument against the other.
[[AC:RealLife]]
* One of the oldest arguments against a benevolent omnipresent God's existence is "If God is so and so, how does he let bad things happen?". It's close to this trope, but isn't such an obvious fallacy; in fact, theodicy, a big branch of theology, exists to counter this argument.
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-->-- Psalms 14:1, Literature/TheBible
Bad things tend to happen but some are so bad that some characters can't refrain from concluding that there can't be a God in this universe, or if there is then he's insane or [[GodIsEvil malevolent]].
May be used in three common ways.
# Played for drama: a character [[CrisisOfFaith loses his faith]] after something bad happens.
# Used semi seriously: "Man, this world '''sucks'''".
# PlayedForLaughs.
Please note that this trope is about questioning a benevolent God's existence because of a single bad event, which is a fallacy. If God is confirmed not to exist in this particular universe, it's ReligionIsWrong. When God ''is'' confirmed to exist and [[GodIsGood also confirmed to be good]] but lets the bad event anyways, you have the OmniscientMoralityLicense.
See also CrisisOfFaith. The direct opposite is, of course, ThereIsAGod. Compare GodIsDead. Also compare AGodIAmNot, where a godlike being refuses to be called "God".
Many a HollywoodAtheist uses this fallacy as a justification, while a NayTheist believes he exists but still doesn't like the guy.
----
!!Examples:
[[AC:ComicBooks]]
* One of the story beats in WarrenEllis's run on ''{{Stormwatch}},'' which carried over into ''TheAuthority'' a few years later, was that God does not exist. The Doctor mentions it offhandedly in Ellis's final arc, and earlier, a "villain" called the Eidolon had come back from beyond the grave to try to convince people to make the most of their lives.
[[AC:{{Film}}]]
* The ''MrBean'' movie, when David is trying to get Mr. Bean to act professionally.
* In ''{{Caddyshack}}'', one of the club members (who happens to be a bishop) has his perfect game of golf (in the middle of a raging storm) ruined by a single bad putt, turns to curse the heavens, and is struck by lightning immediately. The next day, he's shown as a drunken mess proclaiming that there is no God.
* In one film version of ''Film/TheCountOfMonteCristo'', the despairing title character gives up all hope in God, having been incarcerated in a harsh French prison for several years.
* ''Film/BrassedOff'': Mr Chuckles, after memorably screwing up a children's party:
-->'''Angry Middle-Class Mum''': May god forgive you.
-->'''Mr Chuckles''': God? Oh right, there now, there's the fella. I mean what's he doin', eh? He can take JohnLennon, he can take those three young lads down at Ainsley Pit, he's even thinkin' of taking my old man, and ''[[MargaretThatcher Margaret bloody Thatcher lives?]]'' I mean, ''what's he soddin' playin' at'', eh? ... You've been great. My name's Coco the Scab.
* ''Film/IllusiveTracks'': One of the nuns, after Gunnar wreaks havoc and hurts several people, including her.
[[AC:LiveActionTV]]
* There was an throwaway gag in one episode of ''{{Frasier}}'' where he learnt that a radio show he hated had received national syndication. Frasier's response was something along the lines of "Well, that's great news for her - and also for the millions of atheists who will be thrilled by this vindication."
* A favourite AuthorTract in ''TheBoys''.
[[AC:{{Music}}]]
* ''TheDearHunter'': "[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin No God]]" is a literal example of this.
[[AC:WebComics]]
* Justin in ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' upon seeing [[TheStoic Susan's]] [[TastesLikeDiabetes "kitty face"]], thinks to himself that there is no god.
[[AC:WebVideo]]
* One episode of ''WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall'' that involved mention of religion in a comic had Linkara joke that the comic's existence is a pretty good argument against the existence of God.
[[AC:WesternAnimation]]
* In the ''{{Simpsons}}'' episode "Last Exit to Springfield," when the school photographer gets Lisa to smile for her school photo and sees the horrible 19th century style braces she's wearing (because there's no dental plan at the Power Plant where Homer works) he {{gasp}}s out "There is no god!"
* The infamous ''FamilyGuy'' episode "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven" has Brian using Meg's [[InformedDeformity unattractiveness]] as evidence of God's nonexistence.
** Logically, as he argues that no loving creator would make Meg in her ugly father's image rather than her hot mother's, [[AuthorAvatar Brian]] is actually arguing that SethMacfarlane either doesn't exist or is a cruel bastard.
* One episode of ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' sees Cartman inheriting a million dollars and buying his own private theme park. Kyle is dumbfounded at the idea that God would reward such a rotten person, and ends up getting a hemorrhoid. As things get better for Cartman, Kyle's condition worsens and he renounces his faith. At the point where Kyle is on the verge of death ([[RuleOfFunny yes, from a hemorrhoid]]), Stan brings him to the theme park in time to see Cartman's dream destroyed by his own greed, at which point Kyle makes a miraculous recovery.
--> '''Kyle (looking up, smiling):''' [[ThereIsAGod You]] ''[[ThereIsAGod are]]'' [[ThereIsAGod up there!]]
** The episode also has Kyle [[LampshadeHanging lampshade]] the [[Literature/TheBible story of Job]] by asking how the God who would punish a decent man just to prove a point to Satan could possibly be considered benevolent. It doesn't help that his parents forgot the last part of the story where God rewards Job,and gives him more than what Job had before he lost everything.
[[AC:OtherSites]]
* ''Website/{{Cracked}}'' loves this trope. Especially in lists of Top X Things That Are Somehow Unpleasant To Even Read About.
* [[http://www.theonion.com/articles/eons-of-darwinian-evolution-somehow-produce-mitch,17635/ One article]] in ''TheOnion'' had a StrawLoser whose very existence was an affront to both the theory of evolution (what purpose can this guy possibly serve?!) ''and'' the existence of a kind and loving god (If we're made in God's image, well...), with each side parading him around as the ultimate argument against the other.
[[AC:RealLife]]
* One of the oldest arguments against a benevolent omnipresent God's existence is "If God is so and so, how does he let bad things happen?". It's close to this trope, but isn't such an obvious fallacy; in fact, theodicy, a big branch of theology, exists to counter this argument.
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-->-- Psalms 14:1, Literature/TheBible
Bad things tend to happen but some are so bad that some characters can't refrain from concluding that there can't be a God in this universe, or if there is then he's insane or [[GodIsEvil malevolent]].
May be used in three common ways.
# Played for drama: a character [[CrisisOfFaith loses his faith]] after something bad happens.
# Used semi seriously: "Man, this world '''sucks'''".
# PlayedForLaughs.
Please note that this trope is about questioning a benevolent God's existence because of a single bad event, which is a fallacy. If God is confirmed not to exist in this particular universe, it's ReligionIsWrong. When God ''is'' confirmed to exist and [[GodIsGood also confirmed to be good]] but lets the bad event anyways, you have the OmniscientMoralityLicense.
See also CrisisOfFaith. The direct opposite is, of course, ThereIsAGod. Compare GodIsDead. Also compare AGodIAmNot, where a godlike being refuses to be called "God".
Many a HollywoodAtheist uses this fallacy as a justification, while a NayTheist believes he exists but still doesn't like the guy.
----
!!Examples:
[[AC:ComicBooks]]
* One of the story beats in WarrenEllis's run on ''{{Stormwatch}},'' which carried over into ''TheAuthority'' a few years later, was that God does not exist. The Doctor mentions it offhandedly in Ellis's final arc, and earlier, a "villain" called the Eidolon had come back from beyond the grave to try to convince people to make the most of their lives.
[[AC:{{Film}}]]
* The ''MrBean'' movie, when David is trying to get Mr. Bean to act professionally.
* In ''{{Caddyshack}}'', one of the club members (who happens to be a bishop) has his perfect game of golf (in the middle of a raging storm) ruined by a single bad putt, turns to curse the heavens, and is struck by lightning immediately. The next day, he's shown as a drunken mess proclaiming that there is no God.
* In one film version of ''Film/TheCountOfMonteCristo'', the despairing title character gives up all hope in God, having been incarcerated in a harsh French prison for several years.
* ''Film/BrassedOff'': Mr Chuckles, after memorably screwing up a children's party:
-->'''Angry Middle-Class Mum''': May god forgive you.
-->'''Mr Chuckles''': God? Oh right, there now, there's the fella. I mean what's he doin', eh? He can take JohnLennon, he can take those three young lads down at Ainsley Pit, he's even thinkin' of taking my old man, and ''[[MargaretThatcher Margaret bloody Thatcher lives?]]'' I mean, ''what's he soddin' playin' at'', eh? ... You've been great. My name's Coco the Scab.
* ''Film/IllusiveTracks'': One of the nuns, after Gunnar wreaks havoc and hurts several people, including her.
[[AC:LiveActionTV]]
* There was an throwaway gag in one episode of ''{{Frasier}}'' where he learnt that a radio show he hated had received national syndication. Frasier's response was something along the lines of "Well, that's great news for her - and also for the millions of atheists who will be thrilled by this vindication."
* A favourite AuthorTract in ''TheBoys''.
[[AC:{{Music}}]]
* ''TheDearHunter'': "[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin No God]]" is a literal example of this.
[[AC:WebComics]]
* Justin in ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'' upon seeing [[TheStoic Susan's]] [[TastesLikeDiabetes "kitty face"]], thinks to himself that there is no god.
[[AC:WebVideo]]
* One episode of ''WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall'' that involved mention of religion in a comic had Linkara joke that the comic's existence is a pretty good argument against the existence of God.
[[AC:WesternAnimation]]
* In the ''{{Simpsons}}'' episode "Last Exit to Springfield," when the school photographer gets Lisa to smile for her school photo and sees the horrible 19th century style braces she's wearing (because there's no dental plan at the Power Plant where Homer works) he {{gasp}}s out "There is no god!"
* The infamous ''FamilyGuy'' episode "Not All Dogs Go to Heaven" has Brian using Meg's [[InformedDeformity unattractiveness]] as evidence of God's nonexistence.
** Logically, as he argues that no loving creator would make Meg in her ugly father's image rather than her hot mother's, [[AuthorAvatar Brian]] is actually arguing that SethMacfarlane either doesn't exist or is a cruel bastard.
* One episode of ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' sees Cartman inheriting a million dollars and buying his own private theme park. Kyle is dumbfounded at the idea that God would reward such a rotten person, and ends up getting a hemorrhoid. As things get better for Cartman, Kyle's condition worsens and he renounces his faith. At the point where Kyle is on the verge of death ([[RuleOfFunny yes, from a hemorrhoid]]), Stan brings him to the theme park in time to see Cartman's dream destroyed by his own greed, at which point Kyle makes a miraculous recovery.
--> '''Kyle (looking up, smiling):''' [[ThereIsAGod You]] ''[[ThereIsAGod are]]'' [[ThereIsAGod up there!]]
** The episode also has Kyle [[LampshadeHanging lampshade]] the [[Literature/TheBible story of Job]] by asking how the God who would punish a decent man just to prove a point to Satan could possibly be considered benevolent. It doesn't help that his parents forgot the last part of the story where God rewards Job,and gives him more than what Job had before he lost everything.
[[AC:OtherSites]]
* ''Website/{{Cracked}}'' loves this trope. Especially in lists of Top X Things That Are Somehow Unpleasant To Even Read About.
* [[http://www.theonion.com/articles/eons-of-darwinian-evolution-somehow-produce-mitch,17635/ One article]] in ''TheOnion'' had a StrawLoser whose very existence was an affront to both the theory of evolution (what purpose can this guy possibly serve?!) ''and'' the existence of a kind and loving god (If we're made in God's image, well...), with each side parading him around as the ultimate argument against the other.
[[AC:RealLife]]
* One of the oldest arguments against a benevolent omnipresent God's existence is "If God is so and so, how does he let bad things happen?". It's close to this trope, but isn't such an obvious fallacy; in fact, theodicy, a big branch of theology, exists to counter this argument.
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* In ''{{Caddyshack}}'', one of the club members (who happens to be a bishop) has his perfect game of golf (in the middle of a raging storm) ruined by a single bad putt, turns to curse the heavens, and is being struck by lightning immediately. The next day, he's shown as a drunken mess proclaiming that there is no God.
* In the latest film version of ''Film/TheCountOfMonteCristo'', the despairing title character gives up all hope in God, having been incarcerated in a harsh French prison for several years.
* In the latest film version of ''Film/TheCountOfMonteCristo'', the despairing title character gives up all hope in God, having been incarcerated in a harsh French prison for several years.
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* In ''{{Caddyshack}}'', one of the club members (who happens to be a bishop) has his perfect game of golf (in the middle of a raging storm) ruined by a single bad putt, turns to curse the heavens, and is being struck by lightning immediately. The next day, he's shown as a drunken mess proclaiming that there is no God.
* Inthe latest one film version of ''Film/TheCountOfMonteCristo'', the despairing title character gives up all hope in God, having been incarcerated in a harsh French prison for several years.
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* One of the oldest arguments against a benevolent omnipresent God's existence is "If God is so and so, how does he let bad things happen?". It's pretty close to this trope, but isn't such an obvious fallacy; in fact, theodicy, a big branch of theology, exists to counter this argument.
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* One of the oldest arguments against a benevolent omnipresent God's existence is "If God is so and so, how does he let bad things happen?". It's pretty close to this trope, but isn't such an obvious fallacy; in fact, theodicy, a big branch of theology, exists to counter this argument.
