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2nd Nov '17 10:56:21 PM The12thDoctor
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->'''Dr. Wong:''' Why didn't you want to come here?\\

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->'''Dr.-->'''Dr. Wong:''' Why didn't you want to come here?\\
2nd Nov '17 10:55:49 PM The12thDoctor
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->'''Dr. Wong:''' Why didn't you want to come here?\\
'''Rick:''' Because I don't respect therapy; because I'm a scientist; because I invent, transform, create, and destroy for a living, and when I don't like something about the world, I change it. And I don't think going to a rented office in a strip mall to listen to some agent of averageness explain which words mean which feelings has ever helped anyone do anything. I think it's helped a lot of people get comfortable and stop panicking, which is a state of mind ''(Belch)'' we value in the animals we eat, but not something I want for myself. I'm not a cow, I'm a pickle... when I feel like it. So... you asked.
15th Oct '17 3:13:15 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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* Comes up in a lot of dysfunctional families, especially when one partner attends therapy but the other does not. The one who does not go WILL throw it in the face of the one who does. "You go to a therapist, and I don't. That proves you're the one with the issues."
** To this day, mental illness (even treated or managed) and/or seeking health care for it is often seen as enough to deny a parent custody or unsupervised custody.

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* Comes up in a lot of dysfunctional families, especially when one partner attends therapy but the other does not. The one who does not go WILL ''will'' throw it in the face of the one who does. "You go to a therapist, and I don't. [[NeverMyFault That proves you're the one with the issues."
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]]" To this day, mental illness (even treated or managed) and/or seeking health care for it is often seen as enough to deny a parent custody or unsupervised custody.custody. No one ever seems to consider that [[FridgeLogic attending therapy means the person is mature enough to recognize that they have issues and are trying to work them out]].
28th Sep '17 6:16:39 PM Assassin-sensei
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* Ellen's stance at the beginning of ''Film/ToTheBone'', largely because no therapy has ever helped her. She initially refuses to try going inpatient again before Dr. Beckham manages to convince her.
20th Aug '17 6:23:56 PM BeingofUniverse
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* A serious problem for pilots: commercial, private, and military pilots will lose their certifications if diagnosed with a mental illness (no matter how mild) or if they take medication for one (even an antidepressant or sleeping medication) - losing their career and ability to work likely permanently. This leads to pilots refusing help and therapy ''because'' the consequences of seeking it are being punished and stigmatized, and therefore often self-medicating and/or being ''more,'' not less, prone to act out in ways that risk the life of the public/their passengers. Several murder-suicide crashes have resulted, and the usual outcry is for more testing and more stigma of the mentally ill - never mind that will ''increase'' lack of treatment.

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* A serious problem for pilots: commercial, private, and military pilots will lose their certifications if diagnosed with a mental illness (no matter how mild) or if they take medication for one (even an antidepressant or sleeping medication) - losing their career and ability to work likely permanently. This leads to pilots refusing help and therapy ''because'' the consequences of seeking it are being punished and stigmatized, and therefore often self-medicating and/or being ''more,'' not less, prone to act out in ways that risk the life of the public/their passengers. Several murder-suicide crashes have resulted, and the usual outcry is for more testing and more stigma of the mentally ill - never mind that will ''increase'' lack of treatment.testing.



* Also a serious problem among emergency services workers and doctors (including therapists themselves sometimes), because they often, despite training and knowledge, inherently believe some variant of this trope, or are more interested in saving others/giving to others than taking care of themselves and their own emotions, especially in disaster situations or the like.
* General Patton publicly called PTSD sufferers "weaklings." It was a... [[SocietyMarchesOn different]] [[ScienceMarchesOn era]].

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* Also a serious problem among emergency services workers and doctors (including therapists themselves sometimes), because they often, despite training and knowledge, inherently believe some variant of this trope, or are more interested in saving others/giving to others than taking care of themselves and their own emotions, especially in disaster situations or the like.
* General Patton publicly called PTSD sufferers "weaklings." It was a... [[SocietyMarchesOn different]] [[ScienceMarchesOn [[ValuesDissonance different era]].



* Legendary aversion: [[OneManArmy/RealLife Audie Murphy]] became a public speaker to raise awareness of PTSD after his battle with it, at a time up when "man up" was the usual reaction to such problems.



** To this day, mental illness (even treated or managed) and/or seeking health care for it is often seen as enough to deny a parent custody or unsupervised custody, even if the illness has never led to child neglect or violence.

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** To this day, mental illness (even treated or managed) and/or seeking health care for it is often seen as enough to deny a parent custody or unsupervised custody, even if the illness has never led to child neglect or violence.custody.
14th Aug '17 6:11:08 AM Grudgeal
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* ''Literature/ImperialRadch'': Seivarden has this attitude. It's ultimately presented as exactly as stupid and self-destructive as it is, as Seivarden is, to put it lightly, a hot mess following [[ShellShockedVeteran losing her ship in an ambush]], [[FishOutOfTemporalWater being frozen in stasis for centuries]], [[FallenPrincess losing her family and everything she held dear]], becoming a drug addict and finally becoming a SatelliteCharacter to the protagonist.

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* ''Literature/ImperialRadch'': Seivarden has this attitude. It's ultimately presented as exactly as stupid and self-destructive as it is, as Seivarden is, to put it lightly, a hot mess following [[ShellShockedVeteran losing her ship in an ambush]], [[FishOutOfTemporalWater being frozen in stasis for centuries]], [[FallenPrincess [[ImpoverishedPatrician losing her family and everything she held dear]], becoming a drug addict and finally becoming a SatelliteCharacter to the protagonist.
14th Aug '17 6:08:49 AM Grudgeal
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* ''Literature/ImperialRadch'': Seivarden has this attitude. It's ultimately presented as exactly as stupid and self-destructive as it is, as Seivarden is, to put it lightly, a hot mess following [[ShellShockedVeteran losing her ship in an ambush]], [[FishOutOfTemporalWater being frozen in stasis for centuries]], [[FallenPrincess losing her family and everything she held dear]], becoming a drug addict and finally becoming a SatelliteCharacter to the protagonist.
7th Aug '17 10:28:28 AM M84
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* Beth and Rick in ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' both seem to think this in "Pickle Rick". Beth refuses to concede her faults and instead uses the session as an excuse to blame her problems on her kids. Rick claims that therapy just makes people boring and complacent like livestock, and he's no cow. The therapist responds by pointing out that the real reason he is so averse to therapy is because it is ''boring'' in the way that brushing your teeth is boring. The work that is done to maintain and repair life is not exciting, but it's necessary for most people to thrive. But people like Rick and Beth are so AllergicToRoutine that they would do stupid and self-destructive crap just to avoid it. In Rick's case, he ''turned himself into a pickle in an attempt to get out of therapy.''
20th Jun '17 9:53:45 AM WillBGood
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* In the Creator/StephenKing short story ''[[Literature/NightShift The Boogeyman]]'' (something of a spiritual predecessor to ''Literature/{{IT}}''), the principal character is indeed seeing a therapist. And yet, he insists that he doesn't actually ''need'' therapy and sneers disdainfully at what he imagines the doctor's other patients are like (gays, crossdressers, and people who [[NapoleonDelusion "strut around thinking they're Napoleon"]]).

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* In the Creator/StephenKing short story ''[[Literature/NightShift The Boogeyman]]'' [[Literature/NightShift "The Boogeyman"]] (something of a spiritual predecessor to ''Literature/{{IT}}''), the principal character is indeed seeing a therapist. And yet, he insists that he doesn't actually ''need'' therapy and sneers disdainfully at what he imagines the doctor's other patients are like (gays, crossdressers, and people who [[NapoleonDelusion "strut around thinking they're Napoleon"]]).
13th Jun '17 9:43:29 PM nombretomado
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** Since WorldWarOne it has been commonplace to treat combat troops with PTSD and shellshock, even TBI, by offering brief, focal counseling and then sending the men back to the front as quickly as possible.

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** Since WorldWarOne UsefulNotes/WorldWarI it has been commonplace to treat combat troops with PTSD and shellshock, even TBI, by offering brief, focal counseling and then sending the men back to the front as quickly as possible.
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