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7th Feb '17 11:10:28 PM AthenaBlue
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* In-Universe example: In the ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' episode Bushwhacked, an Alliance officer asks Inara how long she's been on "the ''Serenity''", prompting her to correct him that it's "just ''Serenity''". Which is correct for ''all'' ships. See the RealLife section below.
* ''Series/GuidingLight'': Known before 1975 as ''The Guiding Light''.
* ''Series/HappyDays'': Arthur Fonzerelli, aka "Fonzie" or "The Fonz."
* Meta-example: Creator/StephenColbert refers to ''USA Today'' as "the ''The USA Today''".



* ''Weakest Link''. It was ''Series/TheWeakestLink'' in the very early days, but that didn't last long.
* On ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'', falling victim to this (adding an initial "the" to a title that doesn't have one or dropping it from one that does) generally doesn't make a response wrong unless it changes the title to refer to something else (e.g., ''Literature/InvisibleMan'' vs. ''Literature/TheInvisibleMan'').

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* ''Weakest Link''. It was ''Series/TheWeakestLink'' in the very early days, but Meta-example: Creator/StephenColbert refers to ''USA Today'' as "the ''The USA Today''".
* ''Series/DoctorWho'': There are numerous examples from across ThisVeryWiki of episodes
that didn't last long.
* On ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'', falling victim
don't start with "The", and episodes that ''do'', being subjected to this (adding an initial trope. Frequent victims include:
** [[Recap/DoctorWhoS15E1HorrorOfFangRock "Horror of Fang Rock"]] is frequently prefixed with "The".
** [[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E13LastOfTheTimeLords "Last of the Time Lords"]] only has one
"the" in its title. The list of sources to a title that doesn't have one or dropping it from one that does) generally doesn't make a response get this wrong unless it changes include ''the back of the title [=DVD=] box set''.
* In-Universe example: In the ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' episode Bushwhacked, an Alliance officer asks Inara how long she's been on "the ''Serenity''", prompting her
to refer to something else (e.g., ''Literature/InvisibleMan'' vs. ''Literature/TheInvisibleMan'').correct him that it's "just ''Serenity''". Which is correct for ''all'' ships. See the RealLife section below.



* ''Series/MatchGame'' is the game show from TheSeventies that had orange shag carpet, host Gene Rayburn, recurring panelists Charles Nelson Reilly and Brett Somers, and funny questions about Dumb Dora and boobs. ''The'' Match Game is its somewhat more staid predecessor from TheSixties, with tamer fill-in-the-blank questions, but still hosted by Gene Rayburn. Similarly, the two-short lived revivals in 1990-91 and 1998-99 did ''not'' use "The" in the title.

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* ''Series/MatchGame'' is the game show from TheSeventies that had orange shag carpet, host Gene Rayburn, recurring panelists Charles Nelson Reilly and Brett Somers, and funny questions about Dumb Dora and boobs. ''The'' Match Game is its somewhat more staid predecessor from TheSixties, with tamer fill-in-the-blank questions, but still hosted by Gene Rayburn. Similarly, the two-short lived revivals in 1990-91 and 1998-99 did ''not'' use "The" in the title.''Series/GuidingLight'': Known before 1975 as ''The Guiding Light''.
* ''Series/HappyDays'': Arthur Fonzerelli, aka "Fonzie" or "The Fonz."


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* On ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'', falling victim to this (adding an initial "the" to a title that doesn't have one or dropping it from one that does) generally doesn't make a response wrong unless it changes the title to refer to something else(e.g., ''Literature/InvisibleMan'' vs. ''Literature/TheInvisibleMan'').
* ''Series/MatchGame'' is the game show from TheSeventies that had orange shag carpet, host Gene Rayburn, recurring panelists Charles Nelson Reilly and Brett Somers, and funny questions about Dumb Dora and boobs. ''The'' Match Game is its somewhat more staid predecessor from TheSixties, with tamer fill-in-the-blank questions, but still hosted by Gene Rayburn. Similarly, the two-short lived revivals in 1990-91 and 1998-99 did ''not'' use "The" in the title.
* ''Weakest Link''. It was ''Series/TheWeakestLink'' in the very early days, but that didn't last long.
22nd Jan '17 5:24:59 PM Xtifr
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* In general, the rule of thumb seems to be if a band's name is (the) (noun) you always say "the" (i.e Music/TheBeatles, Music/TheCure) whereas if the name is (the) (adjective) (noun) (i.e SpiceGirls), then "the" is either never used or is optional.

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* In general, the rule of thumb seems to be if a band's name is (the) (noun) you always say "the" (i.e Music/TheBeatles, Music/TheCure) whereas if the name is (the) (adjective) (noun) (i.e SpiceGirls), Music/SpiceGirls), then "the" is either never used or is optional.
18th Jan '17 8:12:02 PM MurlocAggroB
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* ''The Game Station Podcast'' (before being re-branded into ''Podcast/TheCoOptionalPodcast'') had an interesting case of this. The show was referred to as [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment The]] TGS Podcast almost universally. This was repeatedly lampshaded by them.
26th Oct '16 12:36:02 PM Pinokio
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* ''Wolverine: The Origin'', or ''Wolverine: Origin''.
20th Sep '16 9:37:08 PM Prfnoff
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* ''Legend of Makai'', an UsefulNotes/ArcadeGame by Creator/{{Jaleco}}, is titled "The Legend of Makai" on the flyer, instruction manual and marquee, but the title screen omits the definite article.
31st Aug '16 3:00:53 PM Pinokio
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* ''[[Film/ANewHope Star Wars: Episode IV: A New Hope]]'' had the working title ''The Star Wars'' for the first drafts, including the May, 1973 story synopsis, May, 1974 Rough Draft, and July 1974 Revised First Draft. The January 28, 1975 second draft was titled ''The Adventures of the Starkiller (episode one) "The Star Wars"'', or, ''Adventures of the Starkiller (episode one) "The Star Wars"'', or, ''The Star Wars - Episode One - "The Star Wars"''. The August 1, 1975 Third Draft is ''The Star Wars – From the Adventures of Luke Starkiller''. The January 1, 1976 Fourth Draft, ''Star Wars: The Adventures of Luke Starkiller as taken from the “Journal of the Whills” (Saga I) Star Wars'', is no longer titled ''The Star Wars'', as well as in the January 15, 1976 Revised Fourth Draft, titled ''Star Wars, Episode IV: A New Hope, from the Journal of the Whills''.
5th Aug '16 11:22:02 AM Pinokio
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* ''The Star Wars'' is a miniseries adapted from an early version of the screenplay for ''[[Film/ANewHope Star Wars]]''. ''The Star Wars'' was a working title for the film, which also appeared in the somewhat wordier form of ''Adventures of the Starkiller, Saga I: The Star Wars.''

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* ''The Star Wars'' is a miniseries adapted from an early version of the screenplay for ''[[Film/ANewHope Star Wars]]''. ''The Star Wars'' was a working title for the film, which also appeared in the somewhat wordier form of ''Adventures of the Starkiller, Saga Episode I: The Star Wars.''Wars'', and ''The Star Wars: From the Adventures of Luke Starkiller''.
18th Jul '16 6:50:13 AM StFan
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* Whether anyone refers to Franchise/{{Batman}} as "The Batman" depends on the era of comic books, with the "the" especially ignored during the LighterAndSofter era of the 1960s.

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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'':
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Whether anyone refers to Franchise/{{Batman}} Batman as "The Batman" depends on the era of comic books, with the "the" especially ignored during the LighterAndSofter era of the 1960s.



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* Due to a printing oversight, we get one in the middle of ''AttackOfTheTheEyeCreatures''.

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* Due to a printing oversight, we get one in the middle of ''AttackOfTheTheEyeCreatures''.''Film/AttackOfTheTheEyeCreatures''.



* Averted with the ''TheFastAndTheFurious'' franchise, where ''The Fast and the Furious'' is the name of the first movie, while ''Fast and Furious'' is the name of the fourth movie.
** Not averted with the localizations: The first movie (and with it, the whole franchise) is known as ''Fast and Furious'' in France.
*** The same happened to ''Film/TheAbyss''.
*** Or ''Film/TheMatrix''.
*** Or ''Film/TheShining''.
*** Or quite a lot of movie localizations, actually. It seems like a tacit "rule" that movie titles that are not translated in France lose their "the", especially if it can shorten it to a single word, such as ''[[Film/TheAvengers2012 Avengers]]''

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* Averted with the ''TheFastAndTheFurious'' ''Film/TheFastAndTheFurious'' franchise, where ''The Fast and the Furious'' is the name of the first movie, while ''Fast and Furious'' is the name of the fourth movie.
** * Not averted with the localizations: a lot of movie localizations in France. It seems like a tacit "rule" that movie titles that are not translated lose their "the", especially if it can shorten it to a single word.
** Such as ''[[Film/TheAvengers2012 Avengers]]''.
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The first movie (and with it, the whole franchise) is known as ''Fast and Furious'' in France.
*** ** The same happened to ''Film/TheAbyss''.
*** ** Or ''Film/TheMatrix''.
*** ** Or ''Film/TheShining''.
*** Or quite a lot of movie localizations, actually. It seems like a tacit "rule" that movie titles that are not translated in France lose their "the", especially if it can shorten it to a single word, such as ''[[Film/TheAvengers2012 Avengers]]''
''Film/TheShining''.



* All sequels of ''Film/TheOmen1976'' drop the article (''Film/DamienOmenII'' and ''[[Film/OmenIIITheFinalConflict Omen III: The Final Conflict]]'' - which at times drops the "Omen" part as well).

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* All sequels of ''Film/TheOmen1976'' drop the article (''Film/DamienOmenII'' and ''[[Film/OmenIIITheFinalConflict Omen III: The Final Conflict]]'' - -- which at times drops the "Omen" part as well).



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* In-Universe example: In the ''{{Series/Firefly}}'' episode Bushwhacked, an Alliance officer asks Inara how long she's been on "the ''Serenity''", prompting her to correct him that it's "just ''Serenity''".
** Which is correct for ''all'' ships. See the RealLife section below.

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* In-Universe example: In the ''{{Series/Firefly}}'' ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' episode Bushwhacked, an Alliance officer asks Inara how long she's been on "the ''Serenity''", prompting her to correct him that it's "just ''Serenity''".
**
''Serenity''". Which is correct for ''all'' ships. See the RealLife section below.



* A bit of an odd one: Creator/BenElton insists on referring to a popular show as [[{{Series/Blackadder}} "The Black Adder."]] Actually, that's only the title of the first season - i.e., the only season that Ben Elton ''didn't'' write for; none of his seasons or one-off episodes have a definite article at the beginning.

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* A bit of an odd one: Creator/BenElton insists on referring to a popular show as [[{{Series/Blackadder}} "The Black Adder."]] Actually, that's only the title of the first season - -- i.e., the only season that Ben Elton ''didn't'' write for; none of his seasons or one-off episodes have a definite article at the beginning.



* ''[[TheWeakestLink Weakest Link]]''. It was ''The Weakest Link'' in the very early days, but that didn't last long.

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* ''[[TheWeakestLink Weakest Link]]''. ''Weakest Link''. It was ''The Weakest Link'' ''Series/TheWeakestLink'' in the very early days, but that didn't last long.



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-->Q: "The Perry Bible Fellowship", or "Perry Bible Fellowship"?
-->A: ''The'' PBF. Treat it like a rock band though. For instance: "I own a White Stripes album", not "I own a The White Stripes album".

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-->Q: -->'''Q:''' "The Perry Bible Fellowship", or "Perry Bible Fellowship"?
-->A:
Fellowship"?\\
'''A:'''
''The'' PBF. Treat it like a rock band though. For instance: "I own a White Stripes album", not "I own a The White Stripes album".



* The WebVideo/JoueurDuGrenier isn't too sure whether the sub-title for ''Prince of Persia 2' is "The Shadow & Flame The" or "The The Shadow & Flame" because of its weird title positioning (it's actually "The Shadow & the Flame").

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* The (The) WebVideo/JoueurDuGrenier isn't too sure whether the sub-title for ''Prince of Persia 2' is "The Shadow & Flame The" or "The The Shadow & Flame" because of its weird title positioning (it's actually "The Shadow & the Flame").
6th Jun '16 8:47:50 AM duggan
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*(The) Music/{{Art of Noise}}, although they use both.
3rd May '16 2:20:19 PM aye_amber
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** NineInchNails generally avoids getting an unnecessary "the," but that might also be thanks to [[IAmTheBand that name being largely associated with just Trent Reznor.]]

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** NineInchNails Music/NineInchNails generally avoids getting an unnecessary "the," but that might also be thanks to [[IAmTheBand that name being largely associated with just Trent Reznor.]]
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