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9th Nov '17 2:36:19 AM morane
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The polar opposite of this trope is "AFatherToHisMen" (into which the Neidermeyer may well evolve). In many cases, a GeneralFailure is basically a Neidermeyer with greater rank and thus even more scope for causing damage. If the Neidermeyer is a temporary replacement for the usual ReasonableAuthorityFigure, it may also be a TyrantTakesTheHelm story. A Neidermeyer lacking in authority is GungHolierThanThou.

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The polar opposite of this trope is "AFatherToHisMen" (into which the Neidermeyer may well evolve). In many cases, a GeneralFailure is basically a Neidermeyer with greater rank and thus even more scope for causing damage. If the Neidermeyer is a temporary replacement for the usual ReasonableAuthorityFigure, it may also be a TyrantTakesTheHelm story. A Neidermeyer The SisterTrope - a low-ranking leader, such as non-commissioned officer, lacking in authority or hated by his men is GungHolierThanThou.
18th Oct '17 1:19:54 PM mariovsonic999
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* Admiral Greyfield of ''VideoGame/AdvanceWars: Days of Ruin''. A complete coward and a sub par commander who's greatest skills are taking credit for victories, and shifting blame for loses. He threatens executions for any failure to follow his orders to the letter, especially the order to win the battle. His cowardice is so much that he relentlessly hunts down any that don't adhere to absolute rule no matter how many of his own men are sacrificed or caught in the blast of the super weapon used to [[spoiler:[[NoKillLikeOverkill kill a single dissenting captain]]]], even resorting to executing enemies after surrender.

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* Admiral Greyfield of ''VideoGame/AdvanceWars: Days of Ruin''. A complete coward and a sub par commander who's greatest skills are taking credit for victories, and shifting blame for loses. He threatens executions for any failure to follow his orders to the letter, especially the order to win the battle. His cowardice is so much that he relentlessly hunts down any that don't adhere to absolute rule no matter how many of his own men are sacrificed or caught in the blast of the super weapon used to [[spoiler:[[NoKillLikeOverkill kill a single dissenting captain]]]], even resorting to executing enemies after surrender. [[spoiler:Lin even implied that he was a subpar commander at best and faked his results.]]
19th Sep '17 12:17:21 AM Doug86
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* In DungeonsAndDragons the piscoloths are described as the sergeants of the [[NeutralEvil yugoloth]] race. They are so cruel to their subordinates that said subordinates tend to [[TheStarscream gang up and murder them]] whenever given half the chance.

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* In DungeonsAndDragons ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' the piscoloths are described as the sergeants of the [[NeutralEvil yugoloth]] race. They are so cruel to their subordinates that said subordinates tend to [[TheStarscream gang up and murder them]] whenever given half the chance.
17th Sep '17 11:31:18 AM nombretomado
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* Captain Ramsey in ''Film/CrimsonTide'' is an enormous jerk to his entire crew aboard the [[SuperiorFirePowerMissileSubmarines SSBN]] under his command. When informed by his XO, Lt. Commander Hunter that crew morale is low and that they might need some words of encouragement from their beloved captain, Ramsey takes the opportunity to chew them all out over the intercom for being lazy and feckless. Later, Ramsey goes into full blown GeneralRipper mode when he is convinced that his orders to fire the missiles has not been countermanded, despite a cutoff in communications right when the counter-order is sent. He is even ready to start shooting officers when most of the crew mutinies to avert a nuclear apocalypse.

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* Captain Ramsey in ''Film/CrimsonTide'' is an enormous jerk to his entire crew aboard the [[SuperiorFirePowerMissileSubmarines [[UsefulNotes/SuperiorFirePowerMissileSubmarines SSBN]] under his command. When informed by his XO, Lt. Commander Hunter that crew morale is low and that they might need some words of encouragement from their beloved captain, Ramsey takes the opportunity to chew them all out over the intercom for being lazy and feckless. Later, Ramsey goes into full blown GeneralRipper mode when he is convinced that his orders to fire the missiles has not been countermanded, despite a cutoff in communications right when the counter-order is sent. He is even ready to start shooting officers when most of the crew mutinies to avert a nuclear apocalypse.
2nd Aug '17 9:40:17 PM SSgt_LuLZ
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* Captain Jae-oh in the 2011 UsefulNotes/TheKoreanWar film, ''Film/TheFrontLine''. He doesn't fare better than the officer he replaced by not listening to valuable advice of the more experienced non-coms, threatening subordinates at gunpoint for not listening to orders and making terrible tactical decisions as a result. He finally crosses the line when he chooses to hold the line as ordered to by the higher ups, essentially ordering his men to their deaths. [[spoiler:It's no wonder he ends up with the exact same [[UnfriendlyFire fate]] as the previous captain]].
24th Jul '17 3:37:36 AM Jormungar
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** However, the wheels are starting to come off, and it's too late to tighten the lug nuts. Junior officers and senior NCO's, aware that the military is downsizing and completely fed up with incompetent leadership where the Neidermeyer is far too common, are hitting the door in ''droves.'' A great deal of their frustration was succinctly summed up in a devastating article written by an ''active duty'' lieutenant colonel. He boldly and honestly stated that a soldier who lost a rifle faced far greater consequences than a general who lost a battle or a war. Further, he observed that generals and admirals who commit rape and sexual harassment are protected by a "good old boy" system that ensures the worst that will happen to them is retirement with full pay and benefits. He ended the article by saying that junior personnel are fully aware that their leadership will throw them under a bus without a moment's hesitation.

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** However, the wheels are starting to come off, and it's too late to tighten the lug nuts. Junior officers and senior NCO's, aware that the military is downsizing and completely fed up with incompetent leadership where the Neidermeyer is far too common, are hitting the door in ''droves.'' A great deal of their frustration was succinctly summed up in a devastating article written by an ''active duty'' lieutenant colonel. He boldly and honestly stated that a soldier who lost a rifle faced far greater consequences than a general who lost a battle or a war. Further, he observed that generals and admirals who commit rape and sexual harassment are protected by a "good old boy" boys" system that ensures the worst that will happen to them is retirement with full pay and benefits. He ended the article by saying that junior personnel are fully aware that their leadership will throw them under a bus without a moment's hesitation.
8th Jul '17 12:50:53 PM nombretomado
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*** TheOtherWiki implies he fought bravely and well in Normandy and got wounded twice. It is assumable he became a ShellShockedVeteran.

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*** TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki implies he fought bravely and well in Normandy and got wounded twice. It is assumable he became a ShellShockedVeteran.



** An even more infamous example from the same war and company (and eventual miniseries) is 1st Lt. Norman Dike. He's been accused of delegating all duty to lower officers and [=NCOs=] during his tenure, and for disappearing from the front lines for hours at a time during the Battle of the Bulge; many of the men under (and over) him accused him of simply using the E Company assignment as a way to get "field experience" before continuing his climb up the ladder. Most infamous, however, is his historically-documented ''meltdown'' during the assault on Foy, Belgium. While trying to lead E Company on the Foy attack, he completely froze up from terror and was unable to give any commands at all, aside from one order for Easy to halt their advance into the town... in the middle of an open field. He was famously relieved of duty by [[MemeticBadass Ronald Spiers]], who would go on to lead E Company to victory in Foy. After this incident, Dike was quickly drummed out of the Airborne and was lucky to not be kicked out of the Army wholesale. TheOtherWiki implies he had fought bravely and well in Normandy and got wounded twice. It is assumable he had become a ShellShockedVeteran.

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** An even more infamous example from the same war and company (and eventual miniseries) is 1st Lt. Norman Dike. He's been accused of delegating all duty to lower officers and [=NCOs=] during his tenure, and for disappearing from the front lines for hours at a time during the Battle of the Bulge; many of the men under (and over) him accused him of simply using the E Company assignment as a way to get "field experience" before continuing his climb up the ladder. Most infamous, however, is his historically-documented ''meltdown'' during the assault on Foy, Belgium. While trying to lead E Company on the Foy attack, he completely froze up from terror and was unable to give any commands at all, aside from one order for Easy to halt their advance into the town... in the middle of an open field. He was famously relieved of duty by [[MemeticBadass Ronald Spiers]], who would go on to lead E Company to victory in Foy. After this incident, Dike was quickly drummed out of the Airborne and was lucky to not be kicked out of the Army wholesale. TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki implies he had fought bravely and well in Normandy and got wounded twice. It is assumable he had become a ShellShockedVeteran.
2nd Jul '17 7:17:47 PM Bootlebat
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* In DungeonsAndDragons the piscoloths are described as the sergeants of the [[NeutralEvil yugoloth]] race. They are so cruel to their subordinates that said subordinates tend to [[TheStarscream gang up and murder them]] whenever given half the chance.
30th Jun '17 2:34:39 AM Killerweinerdog
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** Orson Perrault, the commander of the protagonists' air base, is this as well as corpulent, a horrible shot (he doesn't know that [[spoiler:how emptying the magazine into the doorway where the targets ''were'' when the lights went out is a bad idea]]), and without giving [[spoiler:Wardog Squadron and Pops]] a chance to explain themselves he assumes them all to be spies.

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** Orson Perrault, the commander of the protagonists' air base, is this as well as corpulent, a horrible shot (he doesn't know that [[spoiler:how emptying the magazine into the doorway where the targets ''were'' when the lights went out is a bad idea]]), and without giving [[spoiler:Wardog Squadron and Pops]] a chance to explain themselves he assumes them all to be spies. Somewhat mitigated by the fact that [[spoiler:Hamilton convinced him that they were spies before they even landed, and that Pops had a past of his own that put him under suspicion.]]
29th May '17 6:25:07 AM Morgenthaler
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* Captain Hisashi Kurokawa of the HIMS ''Amagi'' in TaylorAnderson's ''Literature/{{Destroyermen}}'' series. A more extreme example of a typical ImperialJapan naval officer (see RealLife below), he is openly disdainful of his men (both officers and noncoms) and reasons that any success by the enemy must be due to traitors in his ranks. He freely allows the [[LizardFolk Grik]] to kill and eat a percentage of his crew to placate them and has no problems sending pilots on suicide missions (even telling them not bothering coming back if they fail).

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* Captain Hisashi Kurokawa of the HIMS ''Amagi'' in TaylorAnderson's ''Literature/{{Destroyermen}}'' series. A more extreme example of a typical ImperialJapan UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan naval officer (see RealLife below), he is openly disdainful of his men (both officers and noncoms) and reasons that any success by the enemy must be due to traitors in his ranks. He freely allows the [[LizardFolk Grik]] to kill and eat a percentage of his crew to placate them and has no problems sending pilots on suicide missions (even telling them not bothering coming back if they fail).



** Note that this had changed by UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, largely as a result of the reforms that came in the wake of the embarrassing stalemate that was [[ImperialJapan the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-5]]. In 1913, 40% of the Officer Academies' graduates were landless gentry (i.e. families with titles, but little or no money), and another 40% were of the lower-middle class and peasantry. Only 20% of graduates were from land-owning and/or middle-middle-to-upper-class families. This was a drastically lower proportion than in Germany, wherein the Army's officer corps was overwhelmingly aristocratic. Unlike in contemporary Germany, the Imperial Russian army was actually a means for 'upward' social mobility. The RoyalNavy officers, who served as liaison officers, were appalled by the Russian Imperial Navy's brutal discipline and the incompetence of the officers. The Russian Imperial Navy used corporal punishments, which had been abandoned already in the Napoleonic times in the Royal Navy. The disaster in the Russo-Japanese war forced the Russians to reform.

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** Note that this had changed by UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, largely as a result of the reforms that came in the wake of the embarrassing stalemate that was [[ImperialJapan [[UsefulNotes/ImperialJapan the Russo-Japanese war of 1904-5]]. In 1913, 40% of the Officer Academies' graduates were landless gentry (i.e. families with titles, but little or no money), and another 40% were of the lower-middle class and peasantry. Only 20% of graduates were from land-owning and/or middle-middle-to-upper-class families. This was a drastically lower proportion than in Germany, wherein the Army's officer corps was overwhelmingly aristocratic. Unlike in contemporary Germany, the Imperial Russian army was actually a means for 'upward' social mobility. The RoyalNavy officers, who served as liaison officers, were appalled by the Russian Imperial Navy's brutal discipline and the incompetence of the officers. The Russian Imperial Navy used corporal punishments, which had been abandoned already in the Napoleonic times in the Royal Navy. The disaster in the Russo-Japanese war forced the Russians to reform.
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