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21st Mar '17 9:17:50 PM randomtroper89
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* Vox Day wrote his novel ''A Throne of Bones'' (The start of his ''Arts of Dark and Light'' series) as a [[http://www.speculativefaith.com/2013/01/18/on-the-throne-of-bones-a-q-and-a-with-vox-day/ "literary rebuke"]] to the popular fantasy series ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''.

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* Vox Day Creator/VoxDay wrote his novel ''A Throne of Bones'' (The start of his ''Arts of Dark and Light'' series) as a [[http://www.speculativefaith.com/2013/01/18/on-the-throne-of-bones-a-q-and-a-with-vox-day/ "literary rebuke"]] to the popular fantasy fantastic series ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''.
14th Mar '17 11:25:11 AM DavidDelony
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* In regard to cola itself, there are [[EveryoneIsSatanInHell strange, mutually-exclusive]] ConspiracyTheories that either Coca-Cola, or Pepsi, or both are anti-Muslim or pro-Israel (not that the {{Conspiracy Theorist}}s in question make any distinction between the two; both are agents of American capitalist imperialism). Some fundamentalist Muslims reject cola altogether (which is strange since Muslims first introduced most of the world to the kola nut), while others have created a number of alternatives like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca-Cola Mecca-Cola]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibla_Cola Qibla-Cola]], and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamzam_(soft_drink) Zamzam]] (created when sanctions against Iran prevented importation of Coke or Pepsi). This can only be further complicated by [=SodaStream=], a home soda maker that advertises its [[AllNaturalSnakeOil natural ingredients]], lack of [[UnfortunateIngredients High-Fructose Corn Syrup]], and [[TheManIsStickingItToTheMan independence from the big companies]], but has a factory in the West Bank.

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* In regard to cola itself, there are [[EveryoneIsSatanInHell strange, mutually-exclusive]] ConspiracyTheories that either Coca-Cola, or Pepsi, or both are anti-Muslim or pro-Israel (not that the {{Conspiracy Theorist}}s in question make any distinction between the two; both are agents of American capitalist imperialism). Some fundamentalist Muslims reject cola altogether (which is strange since Muslims first introduced most of the world to the kola nut), while others have created a number of alternatives like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca-Cola Mecca-Cola]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qibla_Cola Qibla-Cola]], and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zamzam_(soft_drink) Zamzam]] (created when sanctions against Iran prevented importation of Coke or Pepsi). This can only be further complicated by [=SodaStream=], a home soda maker that advertises its [[AllNaturalSnakeOil natural ingredients]], lack of [[UnfortunateIngredients High-Fructose Corn Syrup]], and [[TheManIsStickingItToTheMan independence from the big companies]], but has a factory in the [[UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict West Bank.Bank]].
13th Mar '17 12:48:48 AM TheRedRedKroovy
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This trope is named for American Protestants[[note]][[ValuesDissonance who tend to be on the free-market political right, contrary to what you'd expect from Europe or Latin America]][[/note]]; they're unusually vigilant MoralGuardians (that trope's also named for them), they represent an enormous market, and their sheer doggedness has turned this trope into a subculture -- with music, movies, books (there was even a MoralSubstitute for BarnesAndNoble!), and video games, some of them of genuinely top quality, able to compete with the mainstream on its own terms and win. ({{Evanescence}} in music and VeggieTales in animation, for example.) But it is not limited to American Protestants, not by any stretch of the imagination. ''There are Nazi examples of this trope'' (look under Music) -- and American popular culture (high-quality and engaging in its own right, and just maybe funded by the CIA) forced the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact to work very hard at this. They created their own Boy Scouts, their own pop music, their own action movies, [[Film/DEFAWesterns their own Westerns]] (mostly about [[NobleSavage the American Indians]] heroically struggling against American imperialism, and a few about "[[TheSovietTwenties 1920s Soviets]] [[{{Hypocrite}} civilizing Central Asia]]"), even their own chewing gum, in a valiant but unsuccessful attempt to keep out that decadent stuff from the West.

This is a SuperTrope of ChristianRock (US Evangelical Protestants like to call themselves "Christians", to the exclusion of everyone else), but less so than you'd expect. ChristianRock has evolved in different directions from the rest of rock, and the genres don't match very closely -- they don't sound much like each other.

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This trope is named for [[UsefulNotes/AmericanChurches American Protestants[[note]][[ValuesDissonance Protestants and evangelicals]][[note]][[ValuesDissonance who tend to be on the free-market political right, contrary to what you'd expect from Europe or Latin America]][[/note]]; they're unusually America]][[/note]]. They are unusually, and famously, vigilant MoralGuardians (that trope's also named for them), they represent an enormous market, and their sheer doggedness has turned this trope into a an entire subculture -- with its own music, movies, books (there was even a MoralSubstitute for BarnesAndNoble!), (including booksellers), and video games, some of them of genuinely top quality, high-quality and able to compete with the mainstream on its own terms and win. ({{Evanescence}} "mainstream" works toe to toe. (Music/{{Evanescence}} in music and VeggieTales ''WesternAnimation/VeggieTales'' in animation, for example.) But it is not limited to American Protestants, them, not by any stretch of the imagination. ''There are Nazi examples The global spread of this trope'' (look under Music) -- and American popular culture (high-quality and engaging in its own right, and just maybe funded by the CIA) forced the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact to work very hard at this. They created their own Boy Scouts, their own pop music, their own action movies, [[Film/DEFAWesterns their own Westerns]] (mostly about [[NobleSavage the American Indians]] heroically struggling against American imperialism, and a few about "[[TheSovietTwenties 1920s Soviets]] [[{{Hypocrite}} civilizing Central Asia]]"), even their own chewing gum, in a valiant but unsuccessful attempt to keep out that decadent stuff from the West.

West. There are even ''[[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi]] examples'' of this trope, from both [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany the original article]] and from neo-Nazi groups.

This is a SuperTrope of ChristianRock (US Evangelical evangelical Protestants like to call themselves "Christians", to the exclusion of everyone else), but less so than you'd expect. expect, especially as time has gone by. While it ''may'' have been true in the genre's early days, since then ChristianRock has evolved in different directions from the rest of rock, rock and carved out a separate identity, and the genres don't match very closely -- closely; they don't sound much like each other.
have fairly little in common today beyond the name and the use of guitars.
7th Mar '17 10:03:11 PM TheRedRedKroovy
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** ''Kung Fu Rainbow Lazer Force'' is a kids' animated series which pushes conservative US Christian/Evangelical morality. To be exact, it pushes it off a bridge, with an {{anvilicious}} pro-abstinence message, [[IntelligentFalling embarrassingly bad "science"]], and crude attacks on homosexuals by [[ArmouredClosetGay obvious self-hating closet cases]]. It also plays up the US's tendency to be very prudish about sex and not nearly prudish enough about violence; the show's fight scenes are sometimes pretty much {{Gorn}}, despite being meant for children.
** ''Impotent Rage'' is a similar parody of ''WesternAnimation/CaptainPlanetAndThePlaneteers'' -- and of liberal moralism in general, especially the "limousine liberal" way of doing things. The eponymous protagonist's attempts to improve the world invariably [[NiceJobBreakingItHero make things worse]], such as when his destruction of a factory owned by a CorruptCorporateExecutive ([[SubvertedTrope who wasn't even very corrupt]]) puts the striking workers he was trying to help out of their jobs.

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** ''Kung Fu Rainbow Lazer Force'' is a kids' animated series which pushes that can be described as a Christian version of ''Franchise/PowerRangers'', pushing the morality of conservative US Christian/Evangelical morality.American evangelicals. To be exact, it pushes it off a bridge, with an {{anvilicious}} pro-abstinence message, [[IntelligentFalling embarrassingly bad "science"]], and crude attacks on homosexuals by [[ArmouredClosetGay obvious self-hating closet cases]]. It also plays up the US's Americans' tendency to be very overly prudish about sex and not nearly prudish enough ''enough'' about violence; the show's fight scenes are sometimes pretty much {{Gorn}}, despite being meant for children.
** ''Impotent Rage'' is a similar parody of ''WesternAnimation/CaptainPlanetAndThePlaneteers'' -- ''WesternAnimation/CaptainPlanetAndThePlaneteers'', and of liberal moralism in general, especially the "limousine liberal" way of doing things. worldview and liberal moralism in general. The attempts made by the eponymous protagonist's attempts superhero (a mix of [[ComicBook/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne]] and Ted Turner) to improve the world invariably [[NiceJobBreakingItHero make things worse]], such as when his destruction of a factory owned by a CorruptCorporateExecutive ([[SubvertedTrope who wasn't even very corrupt]]) puts the striking workers he was trying to help out of their jobs.
26th Feb '17 1:35:08 PM twilicorn
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* Pureflix, the Christian alternative to the Creator/{{Netflix}} subscription streaming service.

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* Pureflix, Creator/PureFlixEntertainment, the Christian alternative to the Creator/{{Netflix}} subscription streaming service.



* A brief episode in [[ComicBook/Persepolis]] depicts the Islamic Republic of Iran trying to develop a Disney-style theme park based on their own mythology. They obviously didn't think this through: Iranian myth is full of unveiled women (and pagan gods, being a pre-Islamic mythology), and once they saw the design they realized that they could neither rewrite their mythic characters nor put veils on them, and they called the whole thing off.

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* A brief episode in [[ComicBook/Persepolis]] ComicBook/{{Persepolis}} depicts the Islamic Republic of Iran trying to develop a Disney-style theme park based on their own mythology. They obviously didn't think this through: Iranian myth is full of unveiled women (and pagan gods, being a pre-Islamic mythology), and once they saw the design they realized that they could neither rewrite their mythic characters nor put veils on them, and they called the whole thing off.
23rd Feb '17 12:54:04 PM dmeagher13
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* The Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) movement often seeks to create and promote FOSS alternatives to popular proprietary programs. For instance, there is [=LibreOffice=] in place of Microsoft Office, GIMP instead of Adobe Photoshop, and last but not least, GNU and/or Linux as an alternative to all manner of propriety operating systems [[note]]Originally it was meant as a free substitute to commercial Unix in TheEighties, but nowadays is usually usually pushed as an alternative to UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows and UsefulNotes/MacOS[[/note]]

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* The Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) movement often seeks to create and promote FOSS alternatives to popular proprietary programs. For instance, there is [=LibreOffice=] in place of Microsoft Office, GIMP instead of Adobe Photoshop, and last but not least, GNU and/or Linux as an alternative to all manner of propriety operating systems [[note]]Originally it was meant as a free substitute to commercial Unix in TheEighties, but nowadays is usually usually pushed as an alternative to UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows and UsefulNotes/MacOS[[/note]]
23rd Feb '17 12:50:29 PM dmeagher13
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* The Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) movement often seeks to create and promote FOSS alternatives to popular proprietary programs. For instance, there is [=LibreOffice=] in place of Microsoft Office, GIMP instead of Adobe Photoshop, and last but not least, GNU and/or Linux as an alternative to all manner of propriety operating systems [[note]]Originally it was meant as a free substitute to commercial Unix in TheEighties, but nowadays is usually usually pushed as an alternative to UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows and UsefulNotes/MacOS[[/note]]
23rd Feb '17 10:24:23 AM BrendanRizzo
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This trope is named for American Protestants[[note]][[ValuesDissonance who tend to be on the free-market political right, contrary to what you'd expect from Europe or Latin America]][[/note]]; they're unusually vigilant MoralGuardians (that trope's also named for them), they represent an enormous market, and their sheer doggedness has turned this trope into a subculture -- with music, movies, books (there was even a MoralSubstitute for BarnesAndNoble!), and video games, some of them of genuinely top quality, able to compete with the mainstream on its own terms and win. ({{Evanescence}} in music and VeggieTales in animation, for example.) But it is not limited to American Protestants, not by any stretch of the imagination. ''There are Nazi examples of this trope'' (look under Music) -- and American popular culture (high-quality and engaging in its own right, and just maybe funded by the CIA) forced the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact to work very hard at this. They created their own Boy Scouts, their own pop music, their own action movies, [[Film/DEFAWesterns their own Westerns]] (mostly about [[NobleSavage the American Indians]] heroically struggling against American imperialism, and a few about "[[TheSovietTwenties 1920s Soviets]] civilizing Central Asia"), even their own chewing gum, in a valiant but unsuccessful attempt to keep out that decadent stuff from the West.

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This trope is named for American Protestants[[note]][[ValuesDissonance who tend to be on the free-market political right, contrary to what you'd expect from Europe or Latin America]][[/note]]; they're unusually vigilant MoralGuardians (that trope's also named for them), they represent an enormous market, and their sheer doggedness has turned this trope into a subculture -- with music, movies, books (there was even a MoralSubstitute for BarnesAndNoble!), and video games, some of them of genuinely top quality, able to compete with the mainstream on its own terms and win. ({{Evanescence}} in music and VeggieTales in animation, for example.) But it is not limited to American Protestants, not by any stretch of the imagination. ''There are Nazi examples of this trope'' (look under Music) -- and American popular culture (high-quality and engaging in its own right, and just maybe funded by the CIA) forced the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact to work very hard at this. They created their own Boy Scouts, their own pop music, their own action movies, [[Film/DEFAWesterns their own Westerns]] (mostly about [[NobleSavage the American Indians]] heroically struggling against American imperialism, and a few about "[[TheSovietTwenties 1920s Soviets]] [[{{Hypocrite}} civilizing Central Asia"), Asia]]"), even their own chewing gum, in a valiant but unsuccessful attempt to keep out that decadent stuff from the West.
23rd Feb '17 10:22:58 AM BrendanRizzo
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As one might expect works may end up TotallyRadical and/or PoorMansSubstitute, and might give the impression that morality is PopularityPower and breed the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that moral acts are worth performing ''only'' if they're "coo.." Not only will that make even the most moral people cynical about morality, but kids who have already declared themselves or have been declared by others as uncool [[TheUnfettered will not be deterred]] - and in fact might even be encouraged - to do bad things, especially if they wanted to be bad in the first place.

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As one might expect works may end up TotallyRadical and/or PoorMansSubstitute, and might give the impression that morality is PopularityPower and breed the FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that moral acts are worth performing ''only'' if they're "coo.." "cool". Not only will that make even the most moral people cynical about morality, but kids who have already declared themselves or have been declared by others as uncool [[TheUnfettered will not be deterred]] - and in fact might even be encouraged - to do bad things, especially if they wanted to be bad in the first place.
20th Feb '17 5:23:58 AM Korodzik
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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gab_(social_network) Gab.ai]] is a Website/{{Twitter}} clone, created as a "free speech alternative" to "left-leaning" social networks. As such, it has been so far mostly embraced by the far right.
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