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* ''TotalAnnihilationKingdoms'' is built on this trope, but interestingly in two different ways. The vanilla game consists of two kingdoms who follow the old proscriptions against magic except in extremis (as a magical war destroyed a primordial civilization) and instead have invented gunpowder, against two other kingdoms who freely use magic.

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* ''TotalAnnihilationKingdoms'' ''VideoGame/TotalAnnihilationKingdoms'' is built on this trope, but interestingly in two different ways. The vanilla game consists of two kingdoms who follow the old proscriptions against magic except in extremis (as a magical war destroyed a primordial civilization) and instead have invented gunpowder, against two other kingdoms who freely use magic.






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* Played in the episode of ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'', "Nerds of a Feather". Phineas and Ferb head to the Tri-State Area's annual sci-fi and fantasy convention where start a duel between the fantasy fans and the sci-fi geeks.

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* Played in the episode of ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'', "Nerds of a Feather". Phineas and Ferb head to the Tri-State Area's annual sci-fi and fantasy convention where start a duel between the fantasy fans and the sci-fi geeks.
geeks ensues.



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28th Feb '16 6:06:42 AM Sapphirea2
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* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's ''Hercules'' and its sequel: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)

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* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's ''Hercules'' ''[[Film/{{Hercules1983}} Hercules]]'' and its sequel: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)
28th Feb '16 5:44:05 AM Sapphirea2
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* ''Film/Ghostbusters'': Although not quite a war, the titular characters are on a never ending quest to study, capture, and dispose of ghosts and other spiritual entities. They do so through "unlicensed nuclear accelerators", along with a variety of other devices.
* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's Film/Hercules1983 and its sequel: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)

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* ''Film/Ghostbusters'': ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'': Although not quite a war, the titular characters are on a never ending quest to study, capture, and dispose of ghosts and other spiritual entities. They do so through "unlicensed nuclear accelerators", along with a variety of other devices.
* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's Film/Hercules1983 ''Hercules'' and its sequel: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)
28th Feb '16 5:43:29 AM Sapphirea2
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* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's ''Film/Hercules1983'' and its sequel: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)

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* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's ''Film/Hercules1983'' Film/Hercules1983 and its sequel: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)
28th Feb '16 5:42:09 AM Sapphirea2
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* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's [[Film/Hercules1983 two Hercules movies]] from TheEighties: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)

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* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's [[Film/Hercules1983 two Hercules movies]] from TheEighties: ''Film/Hercules1983'' and its sequel: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)
28th Feb '16 5:41:27 AM Sapphirea2
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* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's [[Film/Hercules1983 two ''Hercules'' movies]] from TheEighties: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)

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* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's [[Film/Hercules1983 two ''Hercules'' Hercules movies]] from TheEighties: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)
28th Feb '16 5:40:52 AM Sapphirea2
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* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's [[Film/Hercules1983 two ''Hercules'' movies]] from TheEighties: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumungousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)

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* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's [[Film/Hercules1983 two ''Hercules'' movies]] from TheEighties: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumungousMecha).HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)
28th Feb '16 5:39:43 AM Sapphirea2
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* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's [[Film/Hercules1983 two ''Hercules'' movies]] from TheEighties: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumungousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)
19th Feb '16 7:12:58 PM ProfessorDetective
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* "The Magic Wars", in which the forces of Sorcerer's World (aka as Zerox) attack the rest of the technology-using galaxy was a major storyarc in the ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}} series.

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* "The Magic Wars", in which the forces of Sorcerer's World (aka as Zerox) attack the rest of the technology-using galaxy was a major storyarc story arc in the ComicBook/{{Legion Of Super-Heroes}} series.



* The crossver fanfic ''FanFic/EventHorizonStormOfMagic'' has [[VillainProtagonist The Company™]] and the UN on the "tech side", and the hostile native factions like [[LordOfTheRings Mordor]] and [[WarhammerFantasy Chaos]] on the "magic side".

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* The crossver crossover fanfic ''FanFic/EventHorizonStormOfMagic'' has [[VillainProtagonist The Company™]] and the UN on the "tech side", and the hostile native factions like [[LordOfTheRings Mordor]] and [[WarhammerFantasy Chaos]] on the "magic side".



* In Creator/RalphBakshi's ''WesternAnimation/{{Wizards}}'', there is a war between the mutants and demons of Scorch, armed with machineguns, lasers, tanks, artillery, and fighters, and the elves, fairies, and dwarves of Montagar, armed with Medieval weaponry (swords, bows and arrows). Slightly subverted in that the technological side is actually led by an EvilSorcerer whose main weapon is a magically-enhanced Nazi propaganda machine and whose generals he has summoned from Hell. Also, the fantasy creatures rarely use magic in battle and have no problem with using guns when they ambush a Scorch convoy. And the war is ended by [[spoiler:the good wizard using a gun to kill his evil brother]].
* ''WesternAnimation/TheFlightOfDragons'' deals with this element in a way, although the inevitability of the arrival of technology disempowering magical energy is the true force behind the war, which is entirey magical. The forces of magic become involved in a civil war over whether to destroy man's faith in science through fear and superstition or seal the remaining magic away behind TheMasquerade where science cannot harm it.

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* In Creator/RalphBakshi's ''WesternAnimation/{{Wizards}}'', there is a war between the mutants and demons of Scorch, armed with machineguns, machine guns, lasers, tanks, artillery, and fighters, and the elves, fairies, and dwarves of Montagar, armed with Medieval weaponry (swords, bows and arrows). Slightly subverted in that the technological side is actually led by an EvilSorcerer whose main weapon is a magically-enhanced Nazi propaganda machine and whose generals he has summoned from Hell. Also, the fantasy creatures rarely use magic in battle and have no problem with using guns when they ambush a Scorch convoy. And the war is ended by [[spoiler:the good wizard using a gun to kill his evil brother]].
* ''WesternAnimation/TheFlightOfDragons'' deals with this element in a way, although the inevitability of the arrival of technology disempowering magical energy is the true force behind the war, which is entirey entirely magical. The forces of magic become involved in a civil war over whether to destroy man's faith in science through fear and superstition or seal the remaining magic away behind TheMasquerade where science cannot harm it.



* The second book in the ''Literature/MythAdventures'' series has the king's advisor encourages his majesty to hire a magician to fight the in-bound army, rather than use soldiers. The country's general then flatly refuses to aid the magician, because he would rather the kingdom fall than have a precedent established that magic is better than military force.

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* The second book in the ''Literature/MythAdventures'' series has the king's advisor encourages his majesty to hire a magician to fight the in-bound inbound army, rather than use soldiers. The country's general then flatly refuses to aid the magician, because he would rather the kingdom fall than have a precedent established that magic is better than military force.



** Happened in one encounter between Chaos forces and recently-awakened Necrons on a tombworld. The aspiring champion recounting the incident said that his cultists summoned demons to fight the Necrons, but found to his dismay that even demons couldn't stop even the most basic Necron warrior from self-repairing what should have been fatal damage.

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** Happened in one encounter between Chaos forces and recently-awakened Necrons on a tombworld.tomb world. The aspiring champion recounting the incident said that his cultists summoned demons to fight the Necrons, but found to his dismay that even demons couldn't stop even the most basic Necron warrior from self-repairing what should have been fatal damage.



* In ''VideoGame/ArcanumOfSteamworksAndMagickObscura'' conflict between mages and technologists is unavoidable due to [[MagicVersusScience the setting's nature]]. The deadliest conflict between the two sides took place two thousand years ago and led to {{Fantastic Nuke}}s being dropped on [[spoiler:Vendigroth, by Arronax]], consequently completely wiping out this civilisation and setting back technology by hundreds of years.

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* In ''VideoGame/ArcanumOfSteamworksAndMagickObscura'' conflict between mages and technologists is unavoidable due to [[MagicVersusScience the setting's nature]]. The deadliest conflict between the two sides took place two thousand years ago and led to {{Fantastic Nuke}}s being dropped on [[spoiler:Vendigroth, by Arronax]], consequently completely wiping out this civilisation civilization and setting back technology by hundreds of years.



* This has happened twice in the setting of FinalFantasyCrystalChronicles. The first was a battle between the weapon-smithing based Lilties, and the magical yukes. The latter won, the Lilties only real defeat before their [[TheEmpire empire]] collapsed. Some Lilties intended to learn magic and specialize in [[MagicKnight both fields]], but it was never a wide movement. A millenia or so later, it happened again. This time the Lilties were far [[SteamPunk better equipped]], and the yukes were driven to near extinction, and magic banned in most areas. The Lilty technology in this case classifies partly as {{Magitek}}, due to using crystals for power, but is not considered to be magic by the population.

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* This has happened twice in the setting of FinalFantasyCrystalChronicles. The first was a battle between the weapon-smithing based Lilties, and the magical yukes. The latter won, the Lilties only real defeat before their [[TheEmpire empire]] collapsed. Some Lilties intended to learn magic and specialize in [[MagicKnight both fields]], but it was never a wide movement. A millenia millennia or so later, it happened again. This time the Lilties were far [[SteamPunk better equipped]], and the yukes were driven to near extinction, and magic banned in most areas. The Lilty technology in this case classifies partly as {{Magitek}}, due to using crystals for power, but is not considered to be magic by the population.



* In ''VideoGame/TheLongestJourney'' two parallel worlds exist: the scientific Stark and the magical Arcadia. [[{{Masquerade}} A balance]] [[TheChosenOne is kept]] so that no technology goes to Arcadia an no magic goes to Stark.
** In the sequel the conflict between magic and science is heightened: Stark suffered a magic "invasion" disrupting it's technology and starting chaos, while a new empire brimming with technology (of the [[SteamPunk steampunk variety]]) is bringing unrest to Arcadia.

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* In ''VideoGame/TheLongestJourney'' two parallel worlds exist: the scientific Stark and the magical Arcadia. [[{{Masquerade}} A balance]] [[TheChosenOne is kept]] so that no technology goes to Arcadia an and no magic goes to Stark.
** In the sequel the conflict between magic and science is heightened: Stark suffered a magic "invasion" disrupting it's its technology and starting chaos, while a new empire brimming with technology (of the [[SteamPunk steampunk variety]]) is bringing unrest to Arcadia.



* This seems to be one of several fronts of ''Videogame/FinalFantasyXIV'' conflict. The citystates of Aldernald in Eorzea, who can access Aether and thus use magic, are in conflict with TheEmpire of Garlemald, whose citizens and thier native solders cannot use magic and have thus upped their technology to compensate (with {{Magitek}} to replicate the effects of magic, as well as drafting the people of occupied area to aid their thirst for conquest). And the Eorzean Alliance takes issue with their solution of ending the Primal thread currently plaguing the realm ([[FinalSolution consisting of the genocide of the local beastmen species]], in spite of their sapience and that not all of them are enthralled to the Primals anyway). The heroes also have access to their technology, but only because their actions led a leading scientist to become a DefectorFromDecadence, and as a result of the technology gap, its spread is limited to a few.

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* This seems to be one of several fronts of ''Videogame/FinalFantasyXIV'' conflict. The citystates of Aldernald in Eorzea, who can access Aether and thus use magic, are in conflict with TheEmpire of Garlemald, whose citizens and thier their native solders soldiers cannot use magic and have thus upped their technology to compensate (with {{Magitek}} to replicate the effects of magic, as well as drafting the people of occupied area to aid their thirst for conquest). And the Eorzean Alliance takes issue with their solution of ending the Primal thread currently plaguing the realm ([[FinalSolution consisting of the genocide of the local beastmen species]], in spite of their sapience and that not all of them are enthralled to the Primals anyway). The heroes also have access to their technology, but only because their actions led a leading scientist to become a DefectorFromDecadence, and as a result of the technology gap, its spread is limited to a few.
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* In ''Literature/ThePillarsOfReality'', the Mages and the Mechanics are the world's dominant powers, one using magic and the other machines. However, it's more a cold war than a direct conflict, with members of each Guild taught that members of the others are just frauds and posers who aren't even worth challenging.
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