History Main / TheMagicVersusTechnologyWar

14th Aug '16 3:00:59 PM Paranoia
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''Literature/TheSalvationWar''. On one side, you have the forces of Earth using modern military weapons and tactics against the hordes of Hell [[spoiler: and Heaven]], using there powers, great strength, and [[MedievalStasis pitchforks]]. Turns out the ability to fire lighting at will, regenerate most wounds, bench a Hummer, and running 30 kph without breaking a sweat means squat [[MugglesDoItBetter when your enemy can rain death on you before you can even see them]].

to:

* ''Literature/TheSalvationWar''. On one side, you have the forces of Earth using modern military weapons and tactics against the hordes of Hell [[spoiler: and Heaven]], using there their powers, great strength, and [[MedievalStasis pitchforks]]. Turns out the ability to fire lighting at will, regenerate most wounds, bench a Hummer, and running 30 kph without breaking a sweat means squat [[MugglesDoItBetter when your enemy can rain death on you before you can even see them]].
31st Jul '16 6:17:56 AM Shadowgazer
Is there an issue? Send a Message


To be this trope, a series needs to have as one of the primary conflicts, an actual shooting war between a faction upholding magic and a faction upholding advanced technology and science. Typically one side is using magic spells, cavalry on [[OurDragonsAreDifferent dragons]], etc., and another that prefers technological weapons like guns, tanks, HumongousMecha, etc. Note that "Advanced Technology and Science" is a relative term. It may be as little as Industrial Revolution-era (compared to the standard MedievalEuropeanFantasy), or even [[SufficientlyAdvancedBambooTechnology higher than modern times]]. A good rule of thumb is at least one "age" of technological development over that of the Magic-using civilization.

to:

To be this trope, a series needs to have as one of the primary conflicts, an actual shooting war between a faction upholding magic and a faction upholding advanced technology and science. Typically one side is using magic spells, cavalry on [[OurDragonsAreDifferent dragons]], etc., and another that prefers technological weapons like guns, tanks, HumongousMecha, etc. Note that "Advanced Technology and Science" is a relative term. It may be as little as Industrial Revolution-era (compared to the standard MedievalEuropeanFantasy), or even [[SufficientlyAdvancedBambooTechnology higher than modern times]]. A good rule of thumb is at least one "age" of technological development over that of the Magic-using civilization. The distinction will be made a lot more clear if the scientific principles are explained and comprehensible enough, if still unrealistic to contrast with the completely alien principles of magic that allow things to happen based on intent.
16th Jul '16 2:05:42 PM WillKeaton
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Easy to find in most [[FanFic/TheConversionBureau Conversion Bureau]] {{War Fic}}s and {{Deconstruction}}s. As for which side wins, it usually depends from writer to writer.

to:

* Easy to find in most [[FanFic/TheConversionBureau ''[[FanFic/TheConversionBureau Conversion Bureau]] Bureau]]'' {{War Fic}}s and {{Deconstruction}}s. As for which side wins, it usually depends from writer to writer.
16th Jun '16 2:35:48 PM DeisTheAlcano
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* This is the root of conflict between Hammerites and Pagans in the ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}'' series, except that both sides use magic. The key difference are their goals: the Hammerites want technology to spread and see magic as a stepping stone for that, whereas the Pagans want nature to triumph over civilization and use full-power druidic magic.
** And the Mechanists are even more technocratic in their worldview and religious teachings than the Hammerites.
* In ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime 3,'' you [[ApocalypticLog find a record of such a war]] on the planet Bryyo. It had much the same effect as a [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt nuclear holocaust]]- the Lords of Science were [[LastOfHisKind all but]] slaughtered, while the Primals degenerated into savagery and lost most of the magic they once had. Only then did the last Lord of Science [[PostModernMagik learn to combine technology with magic]] and manage to stop the planet from literally falling apart. ([[SceneryPorn and create one hell of a landscape]]) And then, [[AfterTheEnd thousands of years later]], [[TheCorruption something else arrives...]]

to:

* This is the root of conflict between Hammerites and Pagans in the ''VideoGame/{{Thief}}'' series, except that both sides use magic. The key difference are their goals: the Hammerites want technology to spread and see magic as a stepping stone for that, whereas the Pagans want nature to triumph over civilization and use full-power druidic magic.
**
magic And the Mechanists are even more technocratic in their worldview and religious teachings than the Hammerites.
* In ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime 3,'' ''VideoGame/MetroidPrime3Corruption'', you [[ApocalypticLog find a record of such a war]] on the planet Bryyo. It had much the same effect as a [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt nuclear holocaust]]- the Lords of Science were [[LastOfHisKind all but]] slaughtered, while the Primals degenerated into savagery and lost most of the magic they once had. Only then did the last Lord of Science [[PostModernMagik learn to combine technology with magic]] and manage to stop the planet from literally falling apart. ([[SceneryPorn and create one hell of a landscape]]) And then, [[AfterTheEnd thousands of years later]], [[TheCorruption something else arrives...]]
16th Jun '16 1:58:17 PM StFan
Is there an issue? Send a Message


[[quoteright:350:[[ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/7fshvbk_by_mcgasher_d9u3lp5.png]]]]

to:

[[quoteright:350:[[ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse [[quoteright:350:[[ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/7fshvbk_by_mcgasher_d9u3lp5.png]]]]



-----

to:

-----
----
14th Jun '16 5:01:46 AM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

%% Image selected per Image Pickin' thread: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1452266899092104700
%% Please do not change or remove without starting a new thread.
%%
[[quoteright:350:[[ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/7fshvbk_by_mcgasher_d9u3lp5.png]]]]
20th May '16 3:59:46 AM erforce
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** A CrowningMomentOfAwesome in an otherwise terrible movie: the evil snake-demon-demigod thing is about to kill the protagonist and ascend to godhood, and is coiled near the top of an LA skyscraper with ominous stormclouds rolling in as it moves in... and then a flight of AH-64 gunships appear, ''blowing away the magical stormclouds with their rotors'' and opening fire on the snake. It manages to kill one of them, but their response? "Switch to Hellfires." The formerly unstoppable avatar of destruction actually ''screams in pain'' when it takes a hit from an anti-tank missile, and the Apaches don't let up.

to:

** A CrowningMomentOfAwesome in an otherwise terrible movie: the The evil snake-demon-demigod thing is about to kill the protagonist and ascend to godhood, and is coiled near the top of an LA skyscraper with ominous stormclouds rolling in as it moves in... and then a flight of AH-64 gunships appear, ''blowing away the magical stormclouds with their rotors'' and opening fire on the snake. It manages to kill one of them, but their response? "Switch to Hellfires." The formerly unstoppable avatar of destruction actually ''screams in pain'' when it takes a hit from an anti-tank missile, and the Apaches don't let up.



* ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'': Although not quite a war, the titular characters are on a never ending quest to study, capture, and dispose of ghosts and other spiritual entities. They do so through "unlicensed nuclear accelerators", along with a variety of other devices.
* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's ''[[Film/{{Hercules1983}} Hercules]]'' and its sequel: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)

to:

* ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'': ''Franchise/{{Ghostbusters}}'': Although not quite a war, the titular characters are on a never ending quest to study, capture, and dispose of ghosts and other spiritual entities. They do so through "unlicensed nuclear accelerators", along with a variety of other devices.
* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's ''[[Film/{{Hercules1983}} ''[[Film/{{Hercules 1983}} Hercules]]'' and its sequel: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)
6th Mar '16 7:18:45 PM Eddy1215
Is there an issue? Send a Message


[[folder: Anime & Manga ]]

to:

[[folder: Anime [[folder:Anime & Manga ]]
Manga]]



[[folder: Comic Books ]]

to:

[[folder: Comic Books ]]
[[folder:Comic Books]]






[[folder: Fan Fics ]]

to:

[[folder: Fan Fics ]]
[[folder:Fan Fics]]



[[folder: Literature ]]

to:

[[folder: Literature ]]
[[folder:Literature]]






[[folder: Live Action TV ]]

to:

[[folder: Live [[folder:Live Action TV ]]
TV]]







[[folder: Eastern European Animation ]]

to:

[[folder: Eastern [[folder:Eastern European Animation ]]
]]






[[folder: Tabletop Games ]]

to:

[[folder: Tabletop Games ]]
[[folder:Tabletop Games]]






[[folder: Video Games ]]

to:

[[folder: Video Games ]]
[[folder:Video Games]]



* ''TotalAnnihilationKingdoms'' is built on this trope, but interestingly in two different ways. The vanilla game consists of two kingdoms who follow the old proscriptions against magic except in extremis (as a magical war destroyed a primordial civilization) and instead have invented gunpowder, against two other kingdoms who freely use magic.

to:

* ''TotalAnnihilationKingdoms'' ''VideoGame/TotalAnnihilationKingdoms'' is built on this trope, but interestingly in two different ways. The vanilla game consists of two kingdoms who follow the old proscriptions against magic except in extremis (as a magical war destroyed a primordial civilization) and instead have invented gunpowder, against two other kingdoms who freely use magic.






[[folder: Western Animation ]]

to:

[[folder: Western Animation ]]
[[folder:Western Animation]]



* Played in the episode of ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'', "Nerds of a Feather". Phineas and Ferb head to the Tri-State Area's annual sci-fi and fantasy convention where start a duel between the fantasy fans and the sci-fi geeks.

to:

* Played in the episode of ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'', "Nerds of a Feather". Phineas and Ferb head to the Tri-State Area's annual sci-fi and fantasy convention where start a duel between the fantasy fans and the sci-fi geeks.
geeks ensues.



[[folder: Webcomics ]]

to:

[[folder: Webcomics ]]
[[folder:Webcomics]]






[[folder: Web Original ]]

to:

[[folder: Web Original ]]
[[folder:Web Original]]



28th Feb '16 6:06:42 AM Sapphirea2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's ''Hercules'' and its sequel: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)

to:

* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's ''Hercules'' ''[[Film/{{Hercules1983}} Hercules]]'' and its sequel: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)
28th Feb '16 5:44:05 AM Sapphirea2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''Film/Ghostbusters'': Although not quite a war, the titular characters are on a never ending quest to study, capture, and dispose of ghosts and other spiritual entities. They do so through "unlicensed nuclear accelerators", along with a variety of other devices.
* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's Film/Hercules1983 and its sequel: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)

to:

* ''Film/Ghostbusters'': ''Film/{{Ghostbusters}}'': Although not quite a war, the titular characters are on a never ending quest to study, capture, and dispose of ghosts and other spiritual entities. They do so through "unlicensed nuclear accelerators", along with a variety of other devices.
* This was key to Creator/TheCannonGroup's Film/Hercules1983 ''Hercules'' and its sequel: The films' BigBad, King Minos, is determined to not only conquer Earth but eventually eliminate the gods (who represent magic) via science (i.e. HumongousMecha). He even claims not to believe in the gods in the first film -- but nonetheless is willing to do Hera's bidding in hopes of being rewarded for his support. (It's possible this is faulty writing and the intended meaning is that he doesn't support the gods' doings but is willing to serve them until he can overthrow them.)
This list shows the last 10 events of 189. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.TheMagicVersusTechnologyWar