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23rd Sep '16 9:43:04 PM StrixObscuro
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* In ''ComicBook/{{Kamandi}}: The Last Boy On Earth'', the map of the UpliftedAnimal-controlled [[AfterTheEnd post-apocalyptic]] Earth shows that Siberia is now the "Communi-Bear Silo State". Human civilisation has collapsed ''entirely'', but Russia is still communist.

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* In ''ComicBook/{{Kamandi}}: The Last Boy On Earth'', the map of the UpliftedAnimal-controlled [[AfterTheEnd post-apocalyptic]] Earth shows that Siberia is now the "Communi-Bear Silo State". Human civilisation civilization has collapsed ''entirely'', but Russia is still communist.


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* In the universe of ''ComicBook/TheUniques'', the Cold War lasted until at least 1993, thanks to the Uniques replacing conventional weaponry. Among other effects, this has resulted in the Republicans maintaining their hold on the White House; it's mentioned that in 1996, when the story opens, UsefulNotes/NewtGingrich is the President. It also resulted in an overabundance of unaffiliated Uniques serving as either vigilantes or supervillains.
14th Sep '16 8:27:00 PM PaulA
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** The sequel Shadow trilogy did not anticipate South Sudan becoming independent.

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** The sequel Shadow ''Literature/EndersShadow'' trilogy did not anticipate South Sudan becoming independent.
3rd Sep '16 11:25:39 AM Nikumubeki
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** Such provisional capitals are still rather common. The "official" capital of Republic of China (Taiwan) is still technically Nanjing on mainland China. The "official" capital of North Korea is Seoul, the capital of South Korea.
17th Aug '16 1:35:02 PM Random888
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* Inverted in ''Film/CoolRunnings'', which was made in 1993 and set in 1988. At one point, the flag of UsefulNotes/TheNewRussia is anachronistically included amongst the flags of the nations competing at the Winter Olympics. Period appropriate Soviet flags and insignia are seen elsewhere in the film, however.

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* Inverted in ''Film/CoolRunnings'', which was made in 1993 and set in 1988. At one point, the flag of UsefulNotes/TheNewRussia is anachronistically included amongst the flags of the nations competing at the 1988 Winter Olympics. Period appropriate Soviet flags and insignia are seen elsewhere in the film, however.
17th Aug '16 1:33:38 PM Random888
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* Inverted in ''Film/CoolRunnings'', which was made in 1993 and set in 1988. At one point, the flag of UsefulNotes/TheNewRussia is anachronistically included amongst the flags of the nations competing at the Winter Olympics. Period appropriate Soviet flags and insignia are seen elsewhere in the film, however.
13th Aug '16 1:55:01 AM RobTan
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* In-universe in the ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' episode "Future Past". When Voyager is sent back to 1996, Tom Paris, the ship's expert on the 20th Century enlists the aid of an astronomer called Rain Robinson, claiming to be a CIA agent investigating a Soviet plot. When she tells him the USSR collapsed five years ago, he pauses for a second and replies "That's what they want you to think".
30th Jul '16 10:31:17 PM merotoker
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Prior to WorldWarII, it was common to hear experts claiming that [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn the Soviet Union]] was about to fall in a matter of years. During the first five months of the Soviet-German War, German-Anglo-American experts claimed it would collapse within months, or even weeks! But from the winter of '41-2 onward, experts predicting the imminent demise of the USSR looked progressively sillier (Britain stopped making contingency plans for Soviet collapse in late 1942), and by the war's end the opposite mood had set in. Many claimed the Soviet Union would last forever, or long into the foreseeable future, and maybe even win the UsefulNotes/ColdWar. It was thus assumed that the end of the USSR could only come as part of the general [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt End Of Everything]] -- most likely as a result of [[WorldWarIII nuclear war]]. The (relatively) peaceful self-dismemberment and then suicide which actually took place at the dawn of TheNineties was very much unexpected and [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell was even mourned]].

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Prior to WorldWarII, it was common to hear experts claiming that [[SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn the Soviet Union]] was about to fall in a matter of years. During the first five months of the Soviet-German War, German-Anglo-American experts claimed it would collapse within months, or even weeks! But from the winter of '41-2 onward, experts predicting the imminent demise of the USSR looked progressively sillier (Britain stopped making contingency plans for Soviet collapse in late 1942), and by the war's end the opposite mood had set in. Many claimed the Soviet Union would last forever, or long into the foreseeable future, and maybe even win the UsefulNotes/ColdWar. It was thus assumed that the end of the USSR could only come as part of the general [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt End Of Everything]] -- most likely as a result of [[WorldWarIII nuclear war]]. The (relatively) peaceful self-dismemberment and then suicide which actually took place at the dawn of TheNineties was very much unexpected and [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell was even mourned]].



* An episode of the original ''Anime/BubblegumCrisis'' revolved around a stolen super weapon that a minor villain had been going to sell to the East Germans.
** On the other hand, [[AllThereInTheManual supplemental materials]] references to the fall of the Soviet Union and other political changes are pretty much spot-on (though, BGC [=OVAs=] being in development in from 86 through 92, it might've just been a later addition).

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* An episode of the original ''Anime/BubblegumCrisis'' revolved around a stolen super weapon that a minor villain had been going to sell to the East Germans.
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Germans. On the other hand, [[AllThereInTheManual supplemental materials]] references to the fall of the Soviet Union and other political changes are pretty much spot-on (though, BGC [=OVAs=] being in development in from 86 through 92, it might've just been a later addition).



* ''Anime/GunBuster'', made in 1988 but set in 2023, had Jung Freud, one of the Soviet Union's ace pilots. Presumably she was from EastGermany.

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* ''Anime/GunBuster'', made in 1988 but set in 2023, had Jung Freud, one of the Soviet Union's ace pilots. Presumably she was from EastGermany.UsefulNotes/EastGermany.



* In the comic ''ComicBook/{{Camelot 3000}}'' Myth/KingArthur and Myth/{{Merlin}} are resurrected and their knights reincarnated in the year 3000. Almost nothing has changed politically since the 1970s or early 80s, except that there are now four power blocs. The USA has a UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan-esque president who dresses as a cowboy and carries authentic sixguns. The USSR is led by Comrade Yazof, a Brezhnev lookalike; China is led by Chairperson Feng (a lady Mao); and Africa by The Supreme Rakma, an Idi Amin type. Apartheid also still exists, and Gawain is reincarnated as a black South African.
** And this is ''after'' a nuclear war that blasted man back to the medieval period.

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* In the comic ''ComicBook/{{Camelot 3000}}'' Myth/KingArthur and Myth/{{Merlin}} are resurrected and their knights reincarnated in the year 3000. Almost nothing has changed politically since the 1970s or early 80s, except that there are now four power blocs. The USA has a UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan-esque president who dresses as a cowboy and carries authentic sixguns. The USSR is led by Comrade Yazof, a Brezhnev lookalike; China is led by Chairperson Feng (a lady Mao); and Africa by The Supreme Rakma, an Idi Amin type. Apartheid also still exists, and Gawain is reincarnated as a black South African.
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African. And this is ''after'' a nuclear war that blasted man back to the medieval period.



* That's what Creator/BillyWilder's otherwise pretty good ''Film/OneTwoThree'' suffered from. Originally a light-hearted comedy with DirtyCommies, it became a massive case of TooSoon when UsefulNotes/TheBerlinWall was built (during filming!). Before August 1961, people could cross the border between West and East Berlin quite easily - which millions of East Germans used to move to the golden west. The movie was based on this premise and suffered when the wall was built.

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* That's what Creator/BillyWilder's otherwise pretty good ''Film/OneTwoThree'' suffered from. Originally a light-hearted comedy with DirtyCommies, {{Dirty Comm|unists}}ies, it became a massive case of TooSoon when UsefulNotes/TheBerlinWall was built (during filming!). Before August 1961, people could cross the border between West and East Berlin quite easily - which millions of East Germans used to move to the golden west. The movie was based on this premise and suffered when the wall was built.



* Notably lampshaded in the ''Film/JamesBond'' film ''Film/GoldenEye''. The film starts out during the late UsefulNotes/ColdWar years, and {{TimeSkip}}s to a visibly [[TheNewRussia post-Soviet Russia]].

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* Notably lampshaded in the ''Film/JamesBond'' film ''Film/GoldenEye''. The film starts out during the late UsefulNotes/ColdWar years, and {{TimeSkip}}s to a visibly [[TheNewRussia [[UsefulNotes/TheNewRussia post-Soviet Russia]].



** His portrayal of the prominent Afghan viewpoint character, a mujahideen, in ''Cardinal of the Kremlin'' also uses the "tragic, noble victims of the invading Soviets" political HistoricalHeroUpgrade common in those times as he was stated to have been nothing but a peaceful teacher who only became a ruthless killer after the Soviets had ruined his life and killed his family and that he wouldn't have even picked up a gun if it were otherwise. Played with in that the other mujahideen viewpoint character is AxeCrazy, but it still didn't stop the novel ultimately laying the fault on the Soviet invasion and the American interference in it:

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** His portrayal of the prominent Afghan viewpoint character, a mujahideen, in ''Cardinal of the Kremlin'' also uses the "tragic, noble victims of the invading Soviets" political HistoricalHeroUpgrade common in those times as he was stated to have been nothing but a peaceful teacher who only became a ruthless killer after the Soviets had ruined his life and killed his family and that he wouldn't have even picked up a gun if it were otherwise. Played with in that the other mujahideen viewpoint character is AxeCrazy, AxCrazy, but it still didn't stop the novel ultimately laying the fault on the Soviet invasion and the American interference in it:



* A major plot point of ''Literature/{{Eon}}'', the Greg Bear novel written in 1985 and set in the early 21st century, is that the USSR still exists [[spoiler: and the Third World War breaks out between it and the USA.]] On the other hand [[spoiler: the plot makes extensive use of the concept of parallel worlds and alternate histories, which handwaves the problem away: The story is not taking place in our timeline.]]
* The Literature/PlioceneSaga by Creator/JulianMay takes place both in the 21st century and in the Pliocene. The SovietUnion plays a prominent, but peaceful, role in psychic research. The author has had to dodge the Soviet issue in the sequels.

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* A major plot point of ''Literature/{{Eon}}'', the Greg Bear novel written in 1985 and set in the early 21st century, is that the USSR still exists [[spoiler: and the Third World War breaks out between it and the USA.]] USA]]. On the other hand [[spoiler: the plot makes extensive use of the concept of parallel worlds and alternate histories, which handwaves the problem away: The story is not taking place in our timeline.]]
timeline]].
* The Literature/PlioceneSaga by Creator/JulianMay takes place both in the 21st century and in the Pliocene. The SovietUnion [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn Soviet Union]] plays a prominent, but peaceful, role in psychic research. The author has had to dodge the Soviet issue in the sequels.



* The ''Eclipse trilogy'' by John Shirley happens in an early 21st century with a [[WorldWarThree Third World War]] between NATO and the Warsaw Pact bloc. It was retconned later to a revived Soviet Union.

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* The ''Eclipse trilogy'' by John Shirley happens in an early 21st century with a [[WorldWarThree [[WorldWarIII Third World War]] between NATO and the Warsaw Pact bloc. It was retconned later to a revived Soviet Union.



* ''The Third World War: August 1985'', a 1978 mock-history book on a WorldWarThree, has the USSR collapse in 1985... [[spoiler: In a highly violent manner after the nuclear destruction of Minsk, now Belarus, and Birmingham, UK.]]

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* ''The Third World War: August 1985'', a 1978 mock-history book on a WorldWarThree, WorldWarIII, has the USSR collapse in 1985... [[spoiler: In a highly violent manner after the nuclear destruction of Minsk, now Belarus, and Birmingham, UK.]]



* In Creator/StephenKing's novel ''Literature/TheStand'', written in 1979 and set in 1990, an American general instructs his subordinate to [[spoiler: release a virus]] in each of the Soviet satellite states.

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In Creator/StephenKing's novel ''Literature/TheStand'', written in 1979 and set in 1990, an American general instructs his subordinate to [[spoiler: release a virus]] in each of the Soviet satellite states.



* Occurs in ''Literature/TheCountOfMonteCristo'' when the Abbé Farrier (who has been locked up in prison since long before Napoleon's fall) remarks to Dante that he assumes all of Europe has now been united under Bonapartist rule. Dante replies, "The emperor is no longer in power." Then Farrier says, "Then who is? Napoleon II I assume." Dante: "Louis XVIII". A few years after the book was published, Napoleon's nephew Napoleon III was placed on the French throne, due in part to the popularity of the book which renewed interest in Bonapartism.
** For the record, Louis XVIII did reign during 1814-1824.

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* Occurs in ''Literature/TheCountOfMonteCristo'' when the Abbé Farrier (who has been locked up in prison since long before Napoleon's fall) remarks to Dante that he assumes all of Europe has now been united under Bonapartist rule. Dante replies, "The emperor is no longer in power." Then Farrier says, "Then who is? Napoleon II I assume." Dante: "Louis XVIII". A few years after the book was published, Napoleon's nephew Napoleon III was placed on the French throne, due in part to the popularity of the book which renewed interest in Bonapartism.
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Bonapartism. For the record, Louis XVIII did reign during 1814-1824.



* The introduction to 'Kickpuncher' in ''Series/{{Community}}'' episode [[Recap/CommunityS1E15RomanticExpressionism Romantic Expressionism]] .

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* The introduction to 'Kickpuncher' in ''Series/{{Community}}'' episode [[Recap/CommunityS1E15RomanticExpressionism "[[Recap/CommunityS1E15RomanticExpressionism Romantic Expressionism]] .Expressionism]]".



* This hit the game ''TabletopGame/{{Twilight2000}}'' particularly hard, as the premise of the game was that it was set during or just after WorldWarThree, after the Soviets had rolled over the Fulda Gap... in the year 2000. They tried a {{Retcon}} that only ended up torking off the Germans (predicating the war on [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Germany's invading Poland]]...) before reverting to the original plot, throwing up their hands and declaring it an AlternateTimeline.

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* This hit the game ''TabletopGame/{{Twilight2000}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Twilight 2000}}'' particularly hard, as the premise of the game was that it was set during or just after WorldWarThree, WorldWarIII, after the Soviets had rolled over the Fulda Gap... in the year 2000. They tried a {{Retcon}} that only ended up torking off the Germans (predicating the war on [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Germany's invading Poland]]...) before reverting to the original plot, throwing up their hands and declaring it an AlternateTimeline.



* The original ''VideoGame/{{Strider}}'' assumes that the Soviet Union will still be around by the year 2048. In fact, the first stage is set in the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic, a former Soviet state now known as Kazakhstan.
** In most of ''Strider'''s sequels, the political future of the world is not addressed, but in the 2014 remake the developers simply ran with the original idea and you're still chopping up Cossacks and proletariat dragons all while a a man over a PA system spews vaguely socialist-sounding idioms.

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* The original ''VideoGame/{{Strider}}'' assumes that the Soviet Union will still be around by the year 2048. In fact, the first stage is set in the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic, a former Soviet state now known as Kazakhstan.
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Kazakhstan. In most of ''Strider'''s sequels, the political future of the world is not addressed, but in the 2014 remake the developers simply ran with the original idea and you're still chopping up Cossacks and proletariat dragons all while a a man over a PA system spews vaguely socialist-sounding idioms.



* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'': When studying Presidents with Max, Terry has trouble remembering who came after Clinton, which Max describes as "the boring one." Unless something even bigger than the WarOnTerror occurred between the present day and the time of ''Beyond'', boring is not a word to describe Bush's tenure.
** Probably a reference to Al Gore, Clinton's vice president who at the time the episode was made was likely believed by the writers to succeed Clinton as president, who had a reputation for being perceived as boring.

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* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'': When studying Presidents with Max, Terry has trouble remembering who came after Clinton, which Max describes as "the boring one." Unless something even bigger than the WarOnTerror TheWarOnTerror occurred between the present day and the time of ''Beyond'', boring is not a word to describe Bush's tenure.
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tenure. Probably a reference to Al Gore, UsefulNotes/AlGore, Clinton's vice president who at the time the episode was made was likely believed by the writers to succeed Clinton as president, who had a reputation for being perceived as boring.



* TheOtherWiki [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_Soviet_collapse gives us a list of predictions]] of the fall of the U.S.S.R. There were a decent number of predictions in the Cold War era; however, it didn't seem to have much of an effect on pop culture at the time (otherwise, this trope wouldn't have been in effect). And remember that just because someone predicted the U.S.S.R. would fall, that doesn't mean they were right. Many predictions described the Soviet Union ending in ways that were completely different from what eventually happened. Some of the predictions were mutually exclusive (if one was right, the other must have been wrong).
* When the Polish Defensive War of 1939 spun out of control into a [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII much wider conflict]] it instantly tagged 20 years worth of media that referred to The Great War or, even worse, The (singular) World War as being dated and naive.
** However, people that referred to WWI as the First World War soon after it started were not as prescient as they might seem. Because it was truly the first war that had a global scope, taking place over more than one continent, and involving a lot of different nations.

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* TheOtherWiki [[http://en.[[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} The Other Wiki]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_Soviet_collapse org/wiki/Predictions_of_the_dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union gives us a list of predictions]] of the fall of the U.S.S.R. There were a decent number of predictions in the Cold War era; however, it didn't seem to have much of an effect on pop culture at the time (otherwise, this trope wouldn't have been in effect). And remember that just because someone predicted the U.S.S.R. would fall, that doesn't mean they were right. Many predictions described the Soviet Union ending in ways that were completely different from what eventually happened. Some of the predictions were mutually exclusive (if one was right, the other must have been wrong).
* When the Polish Defensive War of 1939 spun out of control into a [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII much wider conflict]] it instantly tagged 20 years worth of media that referred to The Great War or, even worse, The (singular) World War as being dated and naive.
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naive. However, people that referred to WWI as the First World War soon after it started were not as prescient as they might seem. Because it was truly the first war that had a global scope, taking place over more than one continent, and involving a lot of different nations.
17th Jul '16 6:20:51 PM nombretomado
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* Jerry Pournelle's ''Literature/CoDominium'' is a world government evolving out of cooperation between the US and USSR in the 1990s. When the real 1991 came around, Pournelle retconned the timeline so the CoDominium was founded in 2000. Not to mention also adding a Soviet coup to reestablish the USSR [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture 20 minutes into the future]], which had collapsed in reality.

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* Jerry Pournelle's ''Literature/CoDominium'' is a world government evolving out of cooperation between the US and USSR in the 1990s. When the real 1991 came around, Pournelle retconned the timeline so the CoDominium [=CoDominium=] was founded in 2000. Not to mention also adding a Soviet coup to reestablish the USSR [[TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture 20 minutes into the future]], which had collapsed in reality.
25th Jun '16 6:38:08 PM StarSword
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* After the 2016 Brexit vote, the satirical news website ''The Babylon Bee'' ran a [[http://babylonbee.com/news/dispensationalists-frantically-adjust-charts-include-brexit-vote/ story]] saying that the "leave" result had sent pre-millennial dispensationalist Christians scrambling to adjust their end-of-the-world predictions to compensate.
18th Jun '16 11:02:51 PM rjd1922
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* The original arcade edition of ''VideoGame/StreetFighterII'' was released less than a year before the fall of the Soviet Union and had one of its fighters, namely Zangief, as a Soviet representative. His ending sequence even features Mikhail Gorbachev, who is helicoptered in to congratulate him on his victory, espousing the greatness of the "Soviet spirit". Despite subsequent editions of the game being released after the fall of the Soviet Union, Zangief's nationality and ending remained unchanged, although the SNES and Genesis ports attempted to somewhat fix that by having Zangief address Gorbachev as "Mr. Ex-President". This was [[JustifiedTrope justified]] in the [[VideoGame/StreetFighterAlpha Alpha]] series, which took place chronologically before Street Fighter II, but other games don't have this excuse. It wasn't until ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIV'' that Zangief's nationality was officially changed to Russian. To make it even less consistent, ''Hyper Street Fighter II'', released in 2004, changed the flag of Hong Kong from its earlier British colonial flag to its current five petal design while keeping Zangief's Soviet nationality. And Hong Kong was under British control for the entire history of the Soviet Union!

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* The original arcade edition of ''VideoGame/StreetFighterII'' was released less than a year before the fall of the Soviet Union and had one of its fighters, namely Zangief, as a Soviet representative. His ending sequence even features Mikhail Gorbachev, who is helicoptered in to congratulate him on his victory, espousing the greatness of the "Soviet spirit". Despite subsequent editions of the game being released after the fall of the Soviet Union, Zangief's nationality and ending remained unchanged, although the SNES and Genesis ports attempted to somewhat fix that by having Zangief address Gorbachev as "Mr. Ex-President". This was [[JustifiedTrope justified]] in the [[VideoGame/StreetFighterAlpha Alpha]] series, which took place chronologically before Street ''Street Fighter II, II'', but other games don't have this excuse. It wasn't until ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIV'' that Zangief's nationality was officially changed to Russian. To make it even less consistent, ''Hyper Street Fighter II'', released in 2004, changed the flag of Hong Kong from its earlier British colonial flag to its current five petal design while keeping Zangief's Soviet nationality. And Hong Kong was under British control for the entire history of the Soviet Union!



* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', Rumble [=McSkirmish=], a character from a Videogame/StreetFighterII parody brought to the real world orders Dipper to take him to the Soviet Union, who responds how that's going to be difficult for a number of reasons.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', Rumble [=McSkirmish=], a character from a Videogame/StreetFighterII ''Videogame/StreetFighterII'' parody brought to the real world orders Dipper to take him to the Soviet Union, who responds how that's going to be difficult for a number of reasons.



* UsefulNotes/{{Bonn}} was 'temporarily' [[UsefulNotes/TheBonnRepublic the capital city]] of UsefulNotes/WestGermany for 41 years. Not wanting to name somewhere bigger and admit that East Berlin was lost, West Germany became used to Bonn's "provisional" status. After German reunification, only a small majority of the [[PoliticalSystemOfGermany Bundestag (parliament)]] voted to move the seat of government back to Berlin.

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* UsefulNotes/{{Bonn}} was 'temporarily' [[UsefulNotes/TheBonnRepublic the capital city]] of UsefulNotes/WestGermany for 41 years. Not wanting to name somewhere bigger and admit that East Berlin was lost, West Germany became used to Bonn's "provisional" status. After German reunification, only a small majority of the [[PoliticalSystemOfGermany [[UsefulNotes/PoliticalSystemOfGermany Bundestag (parliament)]] voted to move the seat of government back to Berlin.



* When apartheid ended in South Africa, the attitude of western governments towards the ANC flipped rather abruptly. Perhaps the best way to underscore this is the fact that the U.S. government didn't get around to taking Nelson Mandela's name off of a terrorist watch list until 2008. Prior to that, he had to be granted a special waiver to visit the United States.

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* When apartheid ended in South Africa, UsefulNotes/SouthAfrica, the attitude of western governments towards the ANC flipped rather abruptly. Perhaps the best way to underscore this is the fact that the U.S. government didn't get around to taking Nelson Mandela's name off of a terrorist watch list until 2008. Prior to that, he had to be granted a special waiver to visit the United States.
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