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16th Aug '17 1:38:06 AM AnotherDuck
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* UsefulNotes/{{Bonn}} was 'temporarily' [[UsefulNotes/TheBonnRepublic the capital city]] of UsefulNotes/WestGermany for 41 years. Not wanting to name somewhere bigger or admit that West Berlin was too vulnerable to be used, West Germany became used to Bonn's "provisional" status. After German reunification, only a small majority of the [[UsefulNotes/PoliticalSystemOfGermany Bundestag (parliament)]] voted to move the seat of government back to Berlin.
** Ironically much of the "provisional" government buildings in Bonn ''were'' being replaced in the 1980s, after everybody had accepted that the partition of Germany would be forever and they just might as well build decent government buildings if they had to stay in Bonn. German unity was actually debated in a former water distribution plant while a new parliament was being built. Some ministers still have their official seat of office in Bonn and most of the others have an official secondary seat there. Some other former government buildings have been given to international organizations and still most of the "shiny new" buildings from the 1980s sit empty today.
** Part of reticence to move the capital back to Berlin comes from Germans being utterly ''terrified'' of any association with the Nazis [[NeverLiveItDown For obvious reasons]], even if few outsiders seemed to mind.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Krikalyov Sergei Kirkalyov]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Alexandrovich_Volkov_(cosmonaut) Alexander Volkov]] earned the nickname of "the last Soviet citizens" because they served on the Mir space station while the Soviet Union collapsed, and returned three months later on 25 March 1992. The Mir itself continued to bear Soviet markings for the rest of its operational life, because repainting and remarking something so ultimately inconsequential would have been a waste of money for no real purpose, and the Russian Space Program had very little to spare as it is.
* [[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} The Other Wiki]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_the_dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union gives us a list of predictions]] of the fall of the U.S.S.R. There were a decent number of predictions in the Cold War era; however, it didn't seem to have much of an effect on pop culture at the time (otherwise, this trope wouldn't have been in effect). And remember that just because someone predicted the U.S.S.R. would fall, that doesn't mean they were right. Many predictions described the Soviet Union ending in ways that were completely different from what eventually happened. Some of the predictions were mutually exclusive (if one was right, the other must have been wrong).
* When the Polish Defensive War of 1939 spun out of control into a [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII much wider conflict]] it instantly tagged 20 years worth of media that referred to The Great War or, even worse, The (singular) World War as being dated and naive. However, people that referred to WWI as the First World War soon after it started were not as prescient as they might seem. Because it was truly the first war that had a global scope, taking place over more than one continent, and involving a lot of different nations.
** World War One has also been referred to as "The War to End All Wars", which is a phrase [[BeamMeUpScotty frequently misattributed to Woodrow Wilson]] and used after World War 2 in an ironic sense to show the apparent naivety of world leaders at the time[[note]]The quote actually comes from an Creator/HGWells book titled ''The War that will End War'' consisting of a collection of newspaper articles he wrote about the war at its outbreak, arguing that the only way to end all wars would be to end German militaristic ambitions[[/note]]. The post-World War 2 usage ignores several historical facts. For starters, very few, if any, world leaders actually believed that this would be "the war to end all wars" (for instance, British staff officer and future viceroy of India Archibald Wavell famously quipped "After the 'war to end war', they seem to have been in Paris at making the 'Peace to end Peace'"), and the statement was ''immediately'' proven wrong. The Russian Civil War was concurrent with this one, and the consequences of the breakup of many of the large European empires started a whole slew of civil conflicts, wars of independence and invasions, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War Polish-Soviet War]] of 1919-21, all of which happened nearly two decades before the next world war.
* For [[http://history1900s.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/soldiersurr.htm some]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout Japanese soldiers]], WWII didn't end until the 1970s.
* In the Balkan countries, several thousand people continue to list their ethnic group as 'Yugoslav' in census forms.
* Ironically, the first line of the Soviet national anthem translates as "an unbreakable union of free republics." Unbreakable, except for that one time.
** Similarly, the Austro-Hungarian Empire's motto was ''Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter'', meaning "Indivisibly and Inseparably". Come WWI, the Austro-Hungarian Empire proved to be quite divisible and separable.
* The Soviet Union had its own Internet domain (".su"), established in the last year of its existence. Yes, the Soviet Union lived just long enough to see the very beginnings of the Internet. After the Russian Federation was founded, ".ru" became its Internet domain. Plans to phase out ".su" have failed and it's now a haven for cybercriminals, due to the lack of regulation.
** Ironically the [[MisaimedFandom cachet of the .su domain]] allows it to be sold at a premium compared to the .ru domain. Lenin would be spinning in his tomb if it wasn't a huge tourist attraction.
** Other former Soviet-era national domains also existed to varying degrees, such as Czechoslovakia (.cs), East Germany (.dd), and Yugoslavia (.yu). These were successfully discontinued.
** The telephone country codes for East Germany (37) and Yugoslavia (38) were dropped, and codes in the range 370 through 389 assigned to newly independent states, as well as to Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, and the Vatican (which in practice remains phonewise a part of Rome). Czechoslovakia's code (42) was later split (420, 421 plus 423 for Liechtenstein).
* When apartheid ended in UsefulNotes/SouthAfrica, the attitude of western governments towards the ANC flipped rather abruptly. Perhaps the best way to underscore this is the fact that the U.S. government didn't get around to taking Nelson Mandela's name off of a terrorist watch list until 2008. Prior to that, he had to be granted a special waiver to visit the United States.

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* UsefulNotes/{{Bonn}} was 'temporarily' [[UsefulNotes/TheBonnRepublic the capital city]] of UsefulNotes/WestGermany for 41 years. Not wanting to name somewhere bigger or admit that West Berlin was too vulnerable to be used, West Germany became used to Bonn's "provisional" status. After German reunification, only a small majority of the [[UsefulNotes/PoliticalSystemOfGermany Bundestag (parliament)]] voted to move the seat of government back to Berlin.
** Ironically much
Much of the "provisional" government buildings in Bonn ''were'' were being replaced in the 1980s, after everybody had accepted that the partition of Germany would be forever and they just might as well build decent government buildings if they had to stay in Bonn. German unity was actually debated in a former water distribution plant while a new parliament was being built. Some ministers still have their official seat of office in Bonn and most of the others have an official secondary seat there. Some other former government buildings have been given to international organizations and still most of the "shiny new" buildings from the 1980s sit empty today.
** Part of reticence to move the capital back to Berlin comes from Germans being utterly ''terrified'' of any association with the Nazis [[NeverLiveItDown For obvious reasons]], even if few outsiders seemed to mind.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Krikalyov Sergei Kirkalyov]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Alexandrovich_Volkov_(cosmonaut) Alexander Volkov]] earned the nickname of "the last Soviet citizens" because they served on the Mir space station while the Soviet Union collapsed, and returned three months later on 25 March 1992. The Mir itself continued to bear Soviet markings for the rest of its operational life, because repainting and remarking something so ultimately inconsequential would have been a waste of money for no real purpose, and the Russian Space Program had very little to spare as it is.
* [[Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} The Other Wiki]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictions_of_the_dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union gives us a list of predictions]] of the fall of the U.S.S.R. There were a decent number of predictions in the Cold War era; however, it didn't seem to have much of an effect on pop culture at the time (otherwise, this trope wouldn't have been in effect). And remember that just because someone predicted the U.S.S.R. would fall, that doesn't mean they were right. Many predictions described the Soviet Union ending in ways that were completely different from what eventually happened. Some of the predictions were mutually exclusive (if one was right, the other must have been wrong).
* When the Polish Defensive War of 1939 spun out of control into a [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII much wider conflict]] it instantly tagged 20 years worth of media that referred to The Great War or, even worse, The (singular) World War as being dated and naive. However, people that referred to WWI as the First World War soon after it started were not as prescient as they might seem. Because it was truly the first war that had a global scope, taking place over more than one continent, and involving a lot of different nations.
** World War One has also been referred to as "The War to End All Wars", which is a phrase [[BeamMeUpScotty frequently misattributed to Woodrow Wilson]] and used after World War 2 in an ironic sense to show the apparent naivety of world leaders at the time[[note]]The quote actually comes from an Creator/HGWells book titled ''The War that will End War'' consisting of a collection of newspaper articles he wrote about the war at its outbreak, arguing that the only way to end all wars would be to end German militaristic ambitions[[/note]]. The post-World War 2 usage ignores several historical facts. For starters, very few, if any, world leaders actually believed that this would be "the war to end all wars" (for instance, British staff officer and future viceroy of India Archibald Wavell famously quipped "After the 'war to end war', they seem to have been in Paris at making the 'Peace to end Peace'"), and the statement was ''immediately'' proven wrong. The Russian Civil War was concurrent with this one, and the consequences of the breakup of many of the large European empires started a whole slew of civil conflicts, wars of independence and invasions, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War Polish-Soviet War]] of 1919-21, all of which happened nearly two decades before the next world war.
* For [[http://history1900s.about.com/od/worldwarii/a/soldiersurr.htm some]] [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout Japanese soldiers]], WWII didn't end until the 1970s.
* In the Balkan countries, several thousand people continue to list their ethnic group as 'Yugoslav' in census forms.
* Ironically, the first line of the Soviet national anthem translates as "an unbreakable union of free republics." Unbreakable, except for that one time.
** Similarly, the Austro-Hungarian Empire's motto was ''Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter'', meaning "Indivisibly and Inseparably". Come WWI, the Austro-Hungarian Empire proved to be quite divisible and separable.
* The Soviet Union had its own Internet domain (".su"), established in the last year of its existence. Yes, the Soviet Union lived just long enough to see the very beginnings of the Internet. After the Russian Federation was founded, ".ru" became its Internet domain. Plans to phase out ".su" have failed and it's now a haven for cybercriminals, due to the lack of regulation.
** Ironically the [[MisaimedFandom cachet of the .su domain]] allows it to be sold at a premium compared to the .ru domain. Lenin would be spinning in his tomb if it wasn't a huge tourist attraction.
** Other former Soviet-era national domains also existed to varying degrees, such as Czechoslovakia (.cs), East Germany (.dd), and Yugoslavia (.yu). These were successfully discontinued.
** The telephone country codes for East Germany (37) and Yugoslavia (38) were dropped, and codes in the range 370 through 389 assigned to newly independent states, as well as to Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, and the Vatican (which in practice remains phonewise a part of Rome). Czechoslovakia's code (42) was later split (420, 421 plus 423 for Liechtenstein).
* When apartheid ended in UsefulNotes/SouthAfrica, the attitude of western governments towards the ANC flipped rather abruptly. Perhaps the best way to underscore this is the fact that the U.S. government didn't get around to taking Nelson Mandela's name off of a terrorist watch list until 2008. Prior to that, he had to be granted a special waiver to visit the United States.
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16th Aug '17 1:29:05 AM AnotherDuck
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* If you listen to enough political [[TalkShow talk radio]], you'll occasionally hear a caller talk about the dangers of the Soviet Union and Soviet communism in the present tense.
* This can be a weird one for schools with little to no funding. Often you'll walk in and see world maps with the USSR still there in all its timezone-consuming glory, textbooks and encyclopedias long out of date, and so on.
** This is especially weird in Eastern European countries, where according to textbooks and maps, the country you're in may not exist. However, some of the new Eastern European countries were ''very'' quick and eager to print school textbooks emphasizing their countries' glory and (sometimes fake) long and proud history.
** Artistic maps [[note]]As in those built into public spaces for decorative purposes.[[/note]] often feature countries that don't exist anymore because its harder to replace and update them. You ''could'' pry out USSR and add in all the countries it split into or you could just leave it alone and not spend thousands of dollars.



* Due to the frequent changes in political geographical properties worldwide, older maps would be rendered useless and "current" information in encyclopedias would be outdated alongside these maps. This would be an embarrassment for history teachers to remain consistent with current issues regarding their teachings.
10th Aug '17 2:28:26 AM DebbieOppenheimer
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Ergo, it is rather funny to hear references to the Soviet Union, the Cold War, divided Berlin and divided Germany in SciFi shows set TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture but written before 1989. Fortunately, the old habit of [[InsistentTerminology calling the USSR "Russia"]] - either [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname due to ignorance or convenience]], or laziness, [[{{Troll}} or to annoy them]], [[DivideAndConquer or to emphasize the differences between USSR's ethnic groups and delegitimise the regime]] -- allowed much accidental retroactive averting of this trope.

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Ergo, it is rather funny to hear references to the Soviet Union, the Cold War, divided Berlin and divided Germany in SciFi shows set TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture but written before 1989. Fortunately, the old habit of [[InsistentTerminology calling the USSR "Russia"]] - either [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname due to ignorance or convenience]], or laziness, [[{{Troll}} or to annoy them]], [[DivideAndConquer or to emphasize the differences between USSR's ethnic groups and delegitimise the regime]] -- allowed much accidental retroactive averting of this trope.
trope. Well, partial aversion at least - most of the countries called "Russia" are still communist, long after our history's 1991.
10th Aug '17 2:03:17 AM DebbieOppenheimer
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Ergo, it is rather funny to hear references to the Soviet Union, the Cold War, East and West Berlin/Germany in SciFi shows set TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture but written before 1989. Fortunately, the old habit of [[InsistentTerminology calling the USSR "Russia"]] - either [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname due to ignorance or convenience]], or laziness, [[{{Troll}} or to annoy them]], [[DivideAndConquer or to emphasize the differences between USSR's ethnic groups and delegitimise the regime]] -- allowed much accidental retroactive averting of this trope.

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Ergo, it is rather funny to hear references to the Soviet Union, the Cold War, East divided Berlin and West Berlin/Germany divided Germany in SciFi shows set TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture but written before 1989. Fortunately, the old habit of [[InsistentTerminology calling the USSR "Russia"]] - either [[OnlyKnownByTheirNickname due to ignorance or convenience]], or laziness, [[{{Troll}} or to annoy them]], [[DivideAndConquer or to emphasize the differences between USSR's ethnic groups and delegitimise the regime]] -- allowed much accidental retroactive averting of this trope.
4th Aug '17 1:55:52 AM Wooboo
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** ''Literature/{{Idoru}}'', written in 1996, has Russia transform into a kind of criminal empire run by the TheMafiya, which was a fairly common speculation of Russia's future in the West during the [[TheNewRussia Yeltsin years]].
4th Aug '17 1:42:54 AM Wooboo
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** World War One has also been referred to as "The War to End All Wars", which is a phrase [[BeamMeUpScotty frequently misattributed to Woodrow Wilson]] and used after World War 2 in an ironic sense to show the apparent naivety of world leaders at the time[[note]]The quote actually comes from an Creator/HGWells book titled ''The War that will End War'' consisting of a collection of newspaper articles he wrote about the war at its outbreak, arguing that the only way to end all wars would be to end German militaristic ambitions[[/note]]. The post-World War 2 usage ignores several historical facts. For starters, very few, if any, world leaders actually believed that this would be "the war to end all wars" (for instance, British staff officer and future viceroy of India Archibald Wavell famously quipped "After the 'war to end war', they seem to have been in Paris at making the 'Peace to end Peace'"), and the statement was ''immediately'' proven wrong. The Russian Civil War was concurrent with this one, and the consequences of the breakup of many of the large European empires started a whole slew of civil conflicts, wars of independence and invasions, such as the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War Polish-Soviet War]] of 1919-21, all of which happened nearly two decades before the next world war.
2nd Aug '17 9:38:38 PM Tamfang
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** The telephone country codes for East Germany (37) and Yugoslavia (38) were dropped, and codes in the range 370 through 389 assigned to newly independent states  as well as to Andorra, Monaco, San Marino and the Vatican. Czechoslovakia's code (42) was later split (420, 421).

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** The telephone country codes for East Germany (37) and Yugoslavia (38) were dropped, and codes in the range 370 through 389 assigned to newly independent states  as states, as well as to Andorra, Monaco, San Marino Marino, and the Vatican. Vatican (which in practice remains phonewise a part of Rome). Czechoslovakia's code (42) was later split (420, 421).421 plus 423 for Liechtenstein).
2nd Aug '17 9:25:53 PM Tamfang
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** The telephone country codes for East Germany (37) and Yugoslavia (38) were dropped, and codes in the range 370 through 389 assigned to newly independent states  as well as to Andorra, Monaco, San Marino and the Vatican. Czechoslovakia's code (42) was later split (420, 421).
2nd Aug '17 9:16:30 PM Tamfang
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** Similarly, the Austro-Hungarian Empire's motto was ''Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter'', meaning "Indivisible and Inseparable". Come WWI, the Austro-Hungarian Empire proved to be quite divisible and separable.

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** Similarly, the Austro-Hungarian Empire's motto was ''Indivisibiliter ac Inseparabiliter'', meaning "Indivisible "Indivisibly and Inseparable".Inseparably". Come WWI, the Austro-Hungarian Empire proved to be quite divisible and separable.
15th Jul '17 1:29:46 PM nombretomado
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Prior to WorldWarII, it was common to hear experts claiming that [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn the Soviet Union]] was about to fall in a matter of years. During the first five months of the Soviet-German War, German-Anglo-American experts claimed it would collapse within months, or even weeks! But from the winter of '41-2 onward, experts predicting the imminent demise of the USSR looked progressively sillier (Britain stopped making contingency plans for Soviet collapse in late 1942), and by the war's end the opposite mood had set in. Many claimed the Soviet Union would last forever, or long into the foreseeable future, and maybe even win the UsefulNotes/ColdWar. It was thus assumed that the end of the USSR could only come as part of the general [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt End Of Everything]] -- most likely as a result of [[WorldWarIII nuclear war]]. The (relatively) peaceful self-dismemberment and then suicide which actually took place at the dawn of TheNineties was very much unexpected and [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell was even mourned]].

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Prior to WorldWarII, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, it was common to hear experts claiming that [[UsefulNotes/SovietRussiaUkraineAndSoOn the Soviet Union]] was about to fall in a matter of years. During the first five months of the Soviet-German War, German-Anglo-American experts claimed it would collapse within months, or even weeks! But from the winter of '41-2 onward, experts predicting the imminent demise of the USSR looked progressively sillier (Britain stopped making contingency plans for Soviet collapse in late 1942), and by the war's end the opposite mood had set in. Many claimed the Soviet Union would last forever, or long into the foreseeable future, and maybe even win the UsefulNotes/ColdWar. It was thus assumed that the end of the USSR could only come as part of the general [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt End Of Everything]] -- most likely as a result of [[WorldWarIII nuclear war]]. The (relatively) peaceful self-dismemberment and then suicide which actually took place at the dawn of TheNineties was very much unexpected and [[WhyWeAreBummedCommunismFell was even mourned]].
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