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15th May '16 11:45:33 AM nombretomado
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* {{Magneto}} gets this quite often. Just look at [[FantasticRacism how horribly humanity treats mutants]]. The opening of WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen actually looks like a second holocaust, which is ''exactly what he's always trying to warn the X-Men about''. Not to mention his own country, Genosha, was a peaceful sanctuary. (Y'know, before the Sentinels)

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* {{Magneto}} ComicBook/{{Magneto}} gets this quite often. Just look at [[FantasticRacism how horribly humanity treats mutants]]. The opening of WesternAnimation/WolverineAndTheXMen actually looks like a second holocaust, which is ''exactly what he's always trying to warn the X-Men about''. Not to mention his own country, Genosha, was a peaceful sanctuary. (Y'know, before the Sentinels)
26th Apr '16 4:02:41 AM BigLenny
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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', Leliana suggests sending her assassins to destroy the House of Repose’s contract on Josephine’s life during Josephine’s personal quest. [[spoiler: Fast forward to Josephine’s epilogue in ''Trespasser'', and the [[GracefulLoser House of Repose]], instead of taking offense, asks her whether or not she needs their services. She hires them as guards for her trading vessels, and her family prospers greatly because pirates don’t dare challenge its presence in the sea.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', Leliana suggests sending her assassins to destroy the House of Repose’s contract on Josephine’s life during Josephine’s personal quest. [[spoiler: Fast [[spoiler:Fast forward to Josephine’s epilogue in ''Trespasser'', and the [[GracefulLoser House of Repose]], instead of taking offense, asks her whether or not she needs their services. She hires them as guards for her trading vessels, and her family prospers greatly because pirates don’t dare challenge its presence in the sea.]]
26th Apr '16 3:51:47 AM BigLenny
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** Much like Avernus, the Architect in ''Awakening'' killed an untold number of people in brutal experiments, attempting to use Grey Warden blood to create intelligent, self-aware Darkspawn, cut off from the call of the Old Gods. He reveals that his motivation is not to rule them or raise an army, but simply to free his people from being mindless slaves to the Archdemons and help them find a place in the world. [[spoiler: The Warden can sympathise with his goals and even broker an alliance with him]].

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** Much like Avernus, the Architect in ''Awakening'' killed an untold number of people in brutal experiments, attempting to use Grey Warden blood to create intelligent, self-aware Darkspawn, cut off from the call of the Old Gods. He reveals that his motivation is not to rule them or raise an army, but simply to free his people from being mindless slaves to the Archdemons and help them find a place in the world. [[spoiler: The Warden can sympathise sympathize with his goals and even broker an alliance with him]].


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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', Leliana suggests sending her assassins to destroy the House of Repose’s contract on Josephine’s life during Josephine’s personal quest. [[spoiler: Fast forward to Josephine’s epilogue in ''Trespasser'', and the [[GracefulLoser House of Repose]], instead of taking offense, asks her whether or not she needs their services. She hires them as guards for her trading vessels, and her family prospers greatly because pirates don’t dare challenge its presence in the sea.]]
18th Apr '16 1:55:20 PM Vovka
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* Doctor Doom. Several times it has been shown that the world might actually be a better place if he ran things, with war, famine, poverty and disease all things of the past in various alternate worlds and timeliness where he has successfully taken over. Latveria, his country, is also a well-functioning society and, despite its tiny size, a major global power under his rule. This is true also for other comic villains like ComicBook/{{Magneto}} or Comicbook/LexLuthor, but Doom is special because, more than the others, this is one of his core motivations. All three usually end up running an oppressive PoliceState, to varying degrees but damn it; it's an oppressive Police State that ''works''. A pre-''Bullpen Bits'' Chris Giarrusso short comic in ''ComicBook/WhatIf'' v2 #110 shows the ComicBook/FantasticFour apologizing to Doctor Doom after he [[http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthdoomtookover.htm successfully transforms the world into a Utopia]].
** The problem is that [[WantingIsBetterThanHaving Doom finds more satisfaction in conquering than in ruling, or winning without a fight]]. He'll still rule what he's won, and do it well, out of a sense of obligation... but [[VictoryIsBoring his heart's just not in it]].
** One of Doom's biggest problems has always been that, well, he's always been hung up on his grudge against Reed Richards. Were Reed Richards removed from the equation, Doom would probably have utilized that mind of his in far more constructive means from the very beginning. There are actually multiple alternate universes in which Reed dies and Doom becomes a hero afterward.
** Canonical according to "What if the Avengers fought Galactus?" (''What If'' v2 #41). Reed, Sue, Ben, and Johnny all DIE in their test flight. With Richards proven to be something of an idiot, Doom goes on to become an anti-communist ally of SHIELD.
** This is taken to its logical conclusion in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015''. When the [[OmnicidalManiac Beyonders]] set in motion a plan to [[ApocalypseHow/ClassX5 destroy all of Multiverse]] in one fell swoop, Doom throws a SpannerInTheWorks by destroying entire universes ahead of time under the guise of Rabum Alal. Other characters from multiple realities are horrified by his actions, unaware of the bigger, unavoidable threat to all of existence. In the end, [[ComicBook/JonathanHickmansAvengers all other attempts to stop the Beyonders fail]], not the least because ReedRichardsIsUseless, and the Marvel Multiverse is destroyed. However, Doom's actions allowed him to preserve fragments of destroyed worlds and combine them into a new Battleworld, which he rules as a literal PhysicalGod. When his closest ally and advisor Comicbook/DoctorStrange is questioned on why he allows Doom to rule Battleworld as a god, his answer is simple: Doom is actually very ''good'' at being a GodEmperor.
** However, he is only "good" when compared to the prospect of complete annihilation. Battleworld is a Police State at best and a DeathWorld at worst, infested with zombies, aliens, and Ultrons who want to destroy the world, as well as poverty, racism (against Mutants) and slavery. That I'm itself is not Doom's fault, however [[spoiler: when Mr. Fantastic and the other heroes show up in Battleworld bringing the possibility of fixing it, Doom murders Strange and Scott Summers and tries to kill the other heroes in order to retain god-hood over his kingdom.]]

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* Doctor Doom. Several times it has been shown that the world might actually be a better place if he ran things, with war, famine, poverty and disease all things of the past in various alternate worlds and timeliness where he has successfully taken over. Latveria, his country, is also a well-functioning society and, despite its tiny size, a major global power under his rule. This is true also for other comic villains like ComicBook/{{Magneto}} or Comicbook/LexLuthor, but Doom is special different because, more than the others, this is one of his core motivations. All three usually end up running an oppressive PoliceState, to varying degrees but damn it; it's an oppressive Police State that ''works''. A pre-''Bullpen Bits'' Chris Giarrusso short comic in ''ComicBook/WhatIf'' v2 #110 shows the ComicBook/FantasticFour apologizing to Doctor Doom after he [[http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthdoomtookover.htm successfully transforms the world into a Utopia]].\n
** The problem is that [[WantingIsBetterThanHaving Doom finds more satisfaction in conquering than in ruling, or winning without a fight]]. He'll still rule what he's won, and do it well, out of a sense of obligation... well...but [[VictoryIsBoring his heart's just not in it]].
** One of Doom's biggest problems has always been that, well, he's always been hung up on his grudge against Reed Richards. Were Reed Richards removed from the equation, Doom would probably have utilized that mind of his in far more constructive means from the very beginning. There are actually multiple alternate universes in which Reed dies and Doom becomes a hero afterward.
** Canonical according to "What if the Avengers fought Galactus?" (''What If'' v2 #41). Reed, Sue, Ben, and Johnny all DIE in their test flight. With Richards proven to be something of an idiot, Doom goes on to become an anti-communist ally of SHIELD.
** This is taken to its logical conclusion in ''ComicBook/SecretWars2015''. When the [[OmnicidalManiac Beyonders]] set in motion a plan to [[ApocalypseHow/ClassX5 destroy all of Multiverse]] in one fell swoop, Doom throws a SpannerInTheWorks by destroying entire universes ahead of time under the guise of Rabum Alal. Other characters from multiple realities are horrified by his actions, unaware of the bigger, unavoidable threat to all of existence. In the end, [[ComicBook/JonathanHickmansAvengers all other attempts to stop the Beyonders fail]], not the least because ReedRichardsIsUseless, and the Marvel Multiverse is destroyed. However, Doom's actions allowed him to preserve fragments of destroyed worlds and combine them into a new Battleworld, which he rules as a literal PhysicalGod. When his closest ally and advisor Comicbook/DoctorStrange is questioned on why he allows Doom to rule Battleworld as a god, his answer is simple: Doom is actually very ''good'' at being a GodEmperor.
** However, he is only "good" when compared to the prospect of complete annihilation. Battleworld is a Police State at best and a DeathWorld at worst, infested with zombies, aliens, and Ultrons who want to destroy the world, as well as poverty, racism (against Mutants) and slavery. That I'm itself is not Doom's fault, however [[spoiler: when Mr. Fantastic and the other heroes show up in Battleworld bringing the possibility of fixing it, Doom murders Strange and Scott Summers and tries to kill the other heroes in order to retain god-hood over his kingdom.]]
7th Apr '16 4:58:06 PM MadCat221
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** Isran was thrown out of the Vigilants of Stendarr, believing that they were becoming too ''[[WeHaveBecomeComplacent soft]]'', while they considered his methods too ''[[KnightTemplar extreme]]'', even for [[EveryoneHasStandards them!]] However at the start of ''Dawnguard'', Isran is alive and operating out of a heavily fortified castle, while most of the Vigilants were wiped out when the wooden lodge serving as their headquarters was burnt to the ground, by the very vampires Isran warned them about!

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** Isran was thrown out of the Vigilants of Stendarr, believing that they were becoming too ''[[WeHaveBecomeComplacent soft]]'', while they considered his methods too ''[[KnightTemplar extreme]]'', even for [[EveryoneHasStandards them!]] However at the start of ''Dawnguard'', Isran is alive and operating building up the Dawnguard out of a heavily fortified castle, fortress bearing the order's namesake, while most of the Vigilants were wiped out when the wooden lodge serving as their headquarters was burnt to the ground, by the very vampires Isran warned them about!
30th Mar '16 12:58:36 PM Discar
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->"I was away for a '''few years''' and I came back to a world in '''ruins.''' Death, destruction, chaos, the endless fighting--it was like the Heterodyne Boys had never '''existed.''' Things were worse than ever. So I stopped it. And I did it '''my''' way this time. No more '''negotiating.''' No more '''promises.''' No more '''second chances.''' And I did it '''alone.''' Because I had to."

->"And it '''worked'''."

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->"I ->''"I was away for a '''few years''' and I came back to a world in '''ruins.''' Death, destruction, chaos, the endless fighting--it was like the Heterodyne Boys had never '''existed.''' Things were worse than ever. So I stopped it. And I did it '''my''' way this time. No more '''negotiating.''' No more '''promises.''' No more '''second chances.''' And I did it '''alone.''' Because I had to."

->"And
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''"And
it '''worked'''.""''
23rd Mar '16 6:16:07 PM CoCage
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** This is averted in the TV adaption, the show itself points out in-universe how wrong Hao's views are, and something that definitely would not turn for the better for humanity nor shamans in general. Since only "strong" people can exists in his shaman only kingdom.

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** This is averted in the TV adaption, the show itself points out in-universe how wrong Hao's views are, and something that definitely would not turn for the better work out for humanity (i.e all muggles die) nor shamans in general. Since only "strong" people can exists in his shaman only kingdom.
23rd Mar '16 6:13:54 PM CoCage
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* After being [[spoiler: resurrected]] at the end of Manga/ShamanKing by [[WellIntentionedExtremist Hao]] and living a few years in the world they were fighting to preserve, most of the heroes agree that he was right and there is nothing they can do about it. The worst part of it is that he [[spoiler: sent them back]] just to show them they were wrong. Played with at the end, because while the heroes admit that the world is much harder to change that they suspected at the beginning, they are still alive and determined to find solutions and fix it for the better.

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* After being [[spoiler: resurrected]] at the end of Manga/ShamanKing ''Manga/ShamanKing'' by [[WellIntentionedExtremist Hao]] and living a few years in the world they were fighting to preserve, most of the heroes agree that he was right and there is nothing they can do about it. The worst part of it is that he [[spoiler: sent them back]] just to show them they were wrong. Played with at the end, because while the heroes admit that the world is much harder to change that they suspected at the beginning, they are still alive and determined to find solutions and fix it for the better.better.
** This is averted in the TV adaption, the show itself points out in-universe how wrong Hao's views are, and something that definitely would not turn for the better for humanity nor shamans in general. Since only "strong" people can exists in his shaman only kingdom.
19th Mar '16 6:21:48 PM wsowen02
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* After becoming disillusioned by the Clone Wars, [[spoiler:Barriss Offee orchestrates a terrorist attack on the Jedi Temple.]] When caught, she justified the crime by accusing the Jedi of corruption and claiming they had become an army fighting for the Dark Side. She warned that the Republic was failing. Turns out she was right, though not for the reasons she believed.

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* After becoming disillusioned by the Clone Wars, [[spoiler:Barriss Offee orchestrates orchestrated a terrorist attack on the Jedi Temple.]] When caught, she justified the crime by accusing the Jedi of corruption and claiming they had become an army fighting for the Dark Side. She warned that the Republic was failing. Turns out she was right, though not for the reasons she believed.
18th Mar '16 10:22:16 PM lavendermintrose
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* In ''Literature/TheSagaOfDarrenShan'', it is said that [[spoiler: Kurda Smahlt]]'s plan would have been the best way to ensure the survival of the Vampires.
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