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18th Nov '17 3:41:13 PM CharlesPhipps
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*** A big difference is there's no nuclear war in the film version, which even Alan Moore admits would be impossible to survive. Also, V is more willing to hand over power to the people as an anarchist versus keeping it all under himself.
18th Nov '17 3:39:22 PM CharlesPhipps
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6th Nov '17 9:40:53 PM Prometheus117
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** The titular rings were built by the [[{{Precursors}} Forerunner]] Builders to scour the entire galaxy of life in hopes of starving a virulent parasite known as the Flood. Yet the head of the Forerunner military, the Didact, refused to activate them and tried to turn to other solutions such as super-intelligent AIs, [[AIIsACrapshoot which turned against him]], or experimental cures, [[ProfessorGuineaPig which mutated him]]. His final plan was to [[spoiler:convert all humans in the galaxy into robotic soldiers that serve him, which was doomed to fail right from the start. His own wife has to imprison him to stop this from happening.]] In the end, the remaining Forerunners realize that the Halos are indeed the ''only'' way to stop the Flood, and proceed to fire them. It works.

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** The titular rings were built by the [[{{Precursors}} Forerunner]] Builders to scour the entire galaxy of life in hopes of starving a virulent parasite known as the Flood. Yet the head of the Forerunner military, the Didact, refused to activate them and tried to turn to other solutions such as super-intelligent AIs, [[AIIsACrapshoot which turned against him]], or experimental cures, [[ProfessorGuineaPig which mutated him]]. him]], or [[DysonSphere Shield Worlds]], which were even ''more'' costly to build than the Halos and only promised a way to bunker down and wait out the Flood, not kill them, and support was lost when the Halos were also designed to house living beings. His final plan was to [[spoiler:convert all humans in the galaxy into robotic soldiers that serve him, to fight the Flood, which was doomed to fail right from the start.start both because [[MindRape it was put in his head by the Gravemind]] and the [[AIIsACrapshoot logic plague]] would be able to infect them. His own wife has to imprison him to stop this from happening.]] In the end, the remaining Forerunners realize that the Halos are indeed the ''only'' way to stop the Flood, and proceed to fire them. It works.
6th Nov '17 1:35:44 PM KeithM
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** And in ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'' the trope becomes PlayedWith to where it could almost be inverted: facing Odin for his actions on Earth in the ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', Loki claims he is merely following in the footsteps of Odin's father, Bor, and of Odin himself, and that he would have been more suited to the crown than Thor. Notably, Odin doesn't ''dispute'' this so much as point out that Loki is a war criminal for slaughtering civilians on Earth. And Odin's actions for the rest of the film, including his [[WeHaveReserves cold-blooded strategy]] for [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide dealing with the Dark Elves]], makes this clear to Thor. Thor realizes that he'd rather be a good and heroic person, protecting the innocent and doing what's right, instead of a king who'd have to be willing to sacrifice others and other pragmatic decisions. So once again Loki gets proven right of Thor bring unfit, but for opposite reasons, Thor wanted to be better than a king.

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** And in ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'' the trope becomes PlayedWith to where it could almost be inverted: facing Odin for his actions on Earth in the ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', Loki claims he is merely following in the footsteps of Odin's father, Bor, and of Odin himself, and that he would have been more suited to the crown than Thor. Notably, Odin doesn't ''dispute'' this so much as point out that Loki is a war criminal for slaughtering civilians on Earth. And Odin's actions for the rest of the film, including his [[WeHaveReserves cold-blooded strategy]] for [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide dealing with the Dark Elves]], makes this clear to Thor. Thor realizes that he'd rather be a good and heroic person, protecting the innocent and doing what's right, instead of a king who'd have to be willing to sacrifice others and other pragmatic decisions. So once again Loki gets proven right of about Thor bring unfit, but for opposite reasons, reasons: Thor wanted wants to be better ''better'' than a king.
6th Nov '17 12:49:47 PM Ceribri
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* ''Film/VforVendetta'': V is presented as the heroic protagonist, while Norsefire is viewed as totally corrupt. V was also the one to blow up a statue and spent at least 10 years planning the train explosion.
22nd Sep '17 11:58:32 AM BeerBaron
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* Isran from ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' DLC ''Dawnguard''. Former Vigilant of Stendarr, founder of an order of vampire hunters, is a [[FantasticRacism racist]] [[{{Jerkass}} dick]], repeatedly [[KickTheDog kicks the dog]] in his dealings with friendly vampire [[TokenGoodTeammate Serana]], and admits that hatred of vampires keeps him strong. KnightTemplar? Go over to see the vampires of Clan Volkihar and say that his view is unjustified. The vampires of Clan Volkihar are savage, backstabbing, cruel monsters who view humans as a food source, and have no qualms about killing us or even their fellow vampires if they get in their way. As bad as he is, he is ''not'' dealing with {{Friendly Neighbourhood Vampire}}s and is protecting people from a dangerous threat. [[spoiler:If the player goes through with the Dawnguard story path, he becomes much less extremist in his views, going so far as to keep Serana in the Dawnguard and thanks her for her aid in bringing down Clan Volkihar... however begrudgingly he does it]].
** Isran was thrown out of the Vigilants of Stendarr, believing that they were becoming too ''[[WeHaveBecomeComplacent soft]]'', while they considered his methods too ''[[KnightTemplar extreme]]'', even for [[EveryoneHasStandards them!]] However at the start of ''Dawnguard'', Isran is alive and building up the Dawnguard out of a fortress bearing the order's namesake, while most of the Vigilants were wiped out when the wooden lodge serving as their headquarters was burnt to the ground, by the very vampires Isran warned them about!

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** Early in their history, the [[OurElvesAreBetter Dunmer]] people were plagued by ceaseless [[AllowedInternalWar open warfare]] between the [[TheClan Great Houses]]. These "House Wars" were destructive, disruptive, expensive, and, worst of all, weakened the Dunmer people overall who were surrounded on all sides by powerful enemies ([[OurDwarvesAreDifferent Dwemer]], [[HornyVikings Nords]], etc.) Thus, the Dunmeri government sanctioned the Morag Tong, a legal [[MurderInc assassin's guild]] of {{Professional Killer}}s. The Morag Tong maintain a strict policy of impartiality, accepting any job provided it is proposed in the correct manner and with the proper payment. Because of its official sanction, the guild has the authority to print legal bills known as Honorable Writs of Execution, which excuse a Tong agent of all legal misgiving associated with any Tong related business. While legal assassination certainly seems like an extreme solution to any problem, the Morag Tong keeps the Great Houses of Morrowind from starting an all-out war by confining the conflicts in a much smaller scale. The threat of being legally assassinated mostly keeps the Great House leaders in line and prevents significantly greater death and destruction from happening.
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Isran from ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' DLC ''Dawnguard''. Former ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'''s ''Dawnguard'' DLC. A former Vigilant of Stendarr, founder of an order of vampire hunters, is a [[FantasticRacism racist]] [[{{Jerkass}} dick]], repeatedly [[KickTheDog kicks the dog]] in his dealings with friendly vampire [[TokenGoodTeammate friendly vampire Serana]], and admits that hatred of vampires keeps him strong. KnightTemplar? Go over to see the vampires of Clan Volkihar and say that his view is unjustified. The vampires of Clan Volkihar are savage, backstabbing, cruel monsters who view humans as a food source, and have no qualms about killing us them or even their fellow vampires if they get in their way. As bad as he is, he is ''not'' dealing with {{Friendly Neighbourhood Vampire}}s and is protecting people from a dangerous threat. [[spoiler:If the player goes through with the Dawnguard story path, he becomes much less extremist in his views, going so far as to keep Serana in the Dawnguard and thanks her for her aid in bringing down Clan Volkihar... however begrudgingly he does it]].
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it]]. Isran was thrown out of the Vigilants of Stendarr, believing that they were becoming too ''[[WeHaveBecomeComplacent soft]]'', while they considered his methods too ''[[KnightTemplar extreme]]'', even for [[EveryoneHasStandards them!]] However at the start of ''Dawnguard'', Isran is alive and building up the Dawnguard out of a fortress bearing the order's namesake, while most of the Vigilants were wiped out when the wooden lodge serving as their headquarters was burnt to the ground, by the very vampires Isran warned them about!
16th Sep '17 5:46:05 AM gophergiggles
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* Pharynx from ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' was universally despised by the rest of the changelings for being a total asshole, [[BlackShirt preferring things under Queen Chrysalis's rule]], [[FantasticRacism preferring their old dark appearances]], and believing the changelings were now weak and unable to defend themselves. He's ultimately proven entirely right on the last point as the changelings have no hope in fighting off the [[AttackOfTheFiftyFootWhatever massive maulwurf]] unless they toughen up and relearn how to fight. The episode ends with Pharynx learning to lighten up and the rest of the changelings learning that total passiveness and non-violence can't solve everything.
15th Sep '17 8:07:00 AM Xlsfd
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* In ''VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma'', Zero II, the game's BigBad, specifically in the [[spoiler:"C-Team Executed"]] timeline, which leads to the events of ''VisualNovel/VirtuesLastReward''. [[spoiler:By infecting the world with Radical-6, a virus that has a 75% fatality rate, Zero II saved humanity from being wiped out completely through nuclear war by the "Religious Fanatic". However, along with the Fanatic, ''6 billion people'' had to die to save 2 billion people.]]
26th Aug '17 1:14:09 PM infernape612
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* In ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories'', Marluxia tries to overthrow Organization XIII because he believes Xemnas does not truly have their best interests at heart. [[spoiler:''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' reveals that he was absolutely right: Organization XIII was created to be vessels in Xehanort's GrandTheftMe plan.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsChainOfMemories'', Marluxia tries to overthrow Organization XIII because he believes Xemnas does not truly have their best interests at heart. [[spoiler:''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts3DDreamDropDistance'' reveals that [[spoiler:that he was absolutely right: Organization XIII was created to be vessels in Xehanort's GrandTheftMe plan.]]



* ''Videogame/{{Infamous}}'' has [[BigBad Kessler]] who kills thousands of people and murders [[spoiler:Cole's love interest Trish]] because he wants Cole to be prepared when [[spoiler:The Beast comes to destroy all of humanity]]. As horrible as his methods are, by ''VideoGame/{{inFAMOUS 2}}'', Cole is capable of [[spoiler:defeating the greater threat Kessler was preparing him for whereas he would otherwise fail]], thus saving far more lives than he took. Note however that [[NiceJobBreakingitHero this can also be subverted and backfire]] if in the sequel Cole [[spoiler:sides with the Beast.]]

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* ''Videogame/{{Infamous}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Infamous}}'' has [[BigBad Kessler]] who kills thousands of people and murders [[spoiler:Cole's love interest Trish]] because he wants Cole to be prepared when [[spoiler:The Beast comes to destroy all of humanity]]. As horrible as his methods are, by ''VideoGame/{{inFAMOUS 2}}'', Cole is capable of [[spoiler:defeating the greater threat Kessler was preparing him for whereas he would otherwise fail]], thus saving far more lives than he took. Note however that [[NiceJobBreakingitHero this can also be subverted and backfire]] if in the sequel Cole [[spoiler:sides with the Beast.]]
26th Aug '17 1:13:06 PM infernape612
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* Videogame/{{Drakengard 3}} features yet another villain protagonist, Zero, who has no trouble slaughtering hundreds of mooks and families and no sympathy for the consequences of killing the ruling factions, even before she obtained the power of Intoners. And then you find out her past: [[spoiler:her pre-Intoner life was one long CorruptTheCutie in a CrapsackWorld (mother abused and sold her, best friend betrayed her, boyfriend ran and backstabbed her when she got an incurable disease), and those Intoner sisters of hers that she plans on killing are actually artificial humans, created when she tried to commit suicide, and that any Intoner will eventually lose control of their powers and sing the song to end the world. She plans on committing suicide the right way after dealing with them. To top it off, Intoner is the definition of GROTESQUERIE QUEEN. As in, the BigBad of Videogame/{{Drakengard}} and the apocalyptic disease-bringer of Videogame/{{Nier}}.]]
* ''Videogame/{{Infamous}}'' has [[BigBad Kessler]] who kills thousands of people and murders [[spoiler:Cole's love interest Trish]] because he wants Cole to be prepared when [[spoiler:The Beast comes to destroy all of humanity]]. As horrible as his methods are Cole is, by ''VideoGame/{{inFAMOUS 2}}'', capable of [[spoiler:defeating the greater threat Kessler was preparing him for whereas he would otherwise fail]], thus saving far more lives than he took. Note however that [[NiceJobBreakingitHero this can also be subverted and backfire]] if in the sequel Cole [[spoiler:sides with the Beast.]]

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* Videogame/{{Drakengard 3}} ''VideoGame/{{Drakengard 3}}'' features yet another villain protagonist, Zero, who has no trouble slaughtering hundreds of mooks and families and no sympathy for the consequences of killing the ruling factions, even before she obtained the power of Intoners. And then you find out her past: [[spoiler:her pre-Intoner life was one long CorruptTheCutie in a CrapsackWorld (mother abused and sold her, best friend betrayed her, boyfriend ran and backstabbed her when she got an incurable disease), and those Intoner sisters of hers that she plans on killing are actually artificial humans, created when she tried to commit suicide, and that any Intoner will eventually lose control of their powers and sing the song to end the world. She plans on committing suicide the right way after dealing with them. To top it off, Intoner is the definition of GROTESQUERIE QUEEN. As in, the BigBad of Videogame/{{Drakengard}} ''VideoGame/{{Drakengard}}'' and the apocalyptic disease-bringer of Videogame/{{Nier}}.''VideoGame/{{Nier}}''.]]
* ''Videogame/{{Infamous}}'' has [[BigBad Kessler]] who kills thousands of people and murders [[spoiler:Cole's love interest Trish]] because he wants Cole to be prepared when [[spoiler:The Beast comes to destroy all of humanity]]. As horrible as his methods are Cole is, are, by ''VideoGame/{{inFAMOUS 2}}'', Cole is capable of [[spoiler:defeating the greater threat Kessler was preparing him for whereas he would otherwise fail]], thus saving far more lives than he took. Note however that [[NiceJobBreakingitHero this can also be subverted and backfire]] if in the sequel Cole [[spoiler:sides with the Beast.]]
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