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3rd Apr '17 4:31:18 PM Lopiny
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*** Muslims had their own issues. One reason it's still considered obscene in many Muslim societies to eat or touch the face with the left hand is because it was the hand traditionally reserved for wiping one's rear (this is also true among Indian people). Traditional Middle Eastern cooking often involves giant pots of finger food in the middle of the table that everyone shares, so whichever asshole used his wiping hand was contaminating everyone's food.

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*** Muslims had their own issues. One reason it's still considered obscene in many Muslim societies to eat or touch the face with the left hand is because it was the hand traditionally reserved for wiping one's rear (this is also true among Indian people). Traditional Middle Eastern cooking often involves giant pots of finger food in the middle of the table that everyone shares, so whichever asshole used his wiping hand was contaminating everyone's food.food (not to mention thieves who got their right hand cut off as a punishment were forced to always eat last).
28th Mar '17 12:05:26 PM TonyG
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* ''Series/MakingHistory'' depicts Colonial America this way. When Chris first arrives there, he immediately throws up, as Dan warns him that the past smells like poo.
23rd Mar '17 9:32:26 PM Fireblood
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* Creator/RobertBresson's 1974 film ''Lancelot Du Lac'', in many ways, instigated this trend in film. Most people do not realise that ''Monty Python and the Holy Grail'' is a send up of Lancelot du Lac, but the grime and hyperviolence (as in the Black Knight scene especially) are directly related to the earlier film.

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* Creator/RobertBresson's 1974 film ''Lancelot Du Lac'', in many ways, instigated this trend in film. Most people do not realise realize that ''Monty Python and the Holy Grail'' is a send up of Lancelot du Lac, but the grime and hyperviolence (as in the Black Knight scene especially) are directly related to the earlier film.



* The film version of ''[[Literature/{{Perfume}} Perfume: the Story of a Murderer]]'' depicts much of 18th-century France as this.
23rd Mar '17 9:26:04 PM Fireblood
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*** Muslims had their own issues. One reason it's still considered obscene in many Muslim societies to eat or touch the face with the left hand is because it was the hand traditionally reserved for wiping one's rear. (This is also true among India people.) Traditional Middle Eastern cooking often involves giant pots of finger food in the middle of the table that everyone shares, so whichever asshole used his wiping hand was contaminating everyone's food.
*** The Vikings, or literally raider-s, have reason for this problem. Raiders whom outsiders observe are pirates who have limited amount of clear water. So, using water for bath is taken backseat before drinkwater.

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*** Muslims had their own issues. One reason it's still considered obscene in many Muslim societies to eat or touch the face with the left hand is because it was the hand traditionally reserved for wiping one's rear. (This rear (this is also true among India people.) Indian people). Traditional Middle Eastern cooking often involves giant pots of finger food in the middle of the table that everyone shares, so whichever asshole used his wiping hand was contaminating everyone's food.
*** The Vikings, or literally raider-s, raiders, have a reason for this problem. Raiders whom outsiders observe are pirates who have a limited amount of clear water. So, using water for a bath is taken takes a backseat before drinkwater.drinking water.



* Another aversion: The Finnish Sauna. Finns have an unbroken lineage of saunas since time immemorial
* Jews as well averted this, due to being required to wash their hands upon waking and before and after eating, as well as bathing before the Sabbath. They are also required to salt their meat after slaughtering it, which helped disinfect it. As a result, they were much less susceptible to diseases like ThePlague, resulting in them being blamed for it.

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* Another aversion: The the Finnish Sauna. Finns have an unbroken lineage of saunas since time immemorial
* Jews as well averted this, due to being required to wash their hands upon waking and before and after eating, as well as bathing before the Sabbath. They are also required to salt their meat after slaughtering it, which helped disinfect it. As a result, they were much less susceptible to diseases like ThePlague, the Black Plague, resulting in them being blamed for it.




* Surprisingly subverted in the form of dental hygiene: even in the middle ages, people used rudimentary toothbrushes and mint to clean their teeth; they had to, because the only alternative for dealing with a bad tooth was to ''yank it out''. Also, the relative scarcity of sugar and sugary foods meant that rotting teeth were generally not a problem for most people. In fact, you can actually see a ''sharp'' decline in the state of Europeans' teeth after the introduction of sugar.

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\n* Surprisingly subverted in the form of dental hygiene: even in the middle ages, Middle Ages, people used rudimentary toothbrushes and mint to clean their teeth; they had to, because the only alternative for dealing with a bad tooth was to ''yank it out''. Also, the relative scarcity of sugar and sugary foods meant that rotting teeth were generally not a problem for most people. In fact, you can actually see a ''sharp'' decline in the state of Europeans' teeth after the introduction of sugar.
23rd Mar '17 9:16:14 PM Fireblood
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Something to keep in mind is that neither The Dung Ages nor YeGoodeOldeDays is "more" accurate than the other. The reality is that while hygiene was not good by modern standards, and living conditions were not what we'd call "comfortable" (what with the lack of air conditioning, flush toilets, and weekly garbage pick-up), neither did most people walk around barefoot, caked in filth, eating rotten food and living in tumble-down huts made of sticks.

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Something to keep in mind is that neither The Dung Ages nor YeGoodeOldeDays is "more" accurate than the other. The reality is that while hygiene was not good by modern standards, and living conditions were not what we'd call "comfortable" (what with the lack of air conditioning, flush toilets, toilets[[note]]Although some ancient versions did exist, they didn't "flush" exactly but had a stream of water to wash waste away. They fell into disuse in the West with the fall of the Roman Empire, sadly.[[/note]] and weekly garbage pick-up), neither did most people walk around barefoot, caked in filth, eating rotten food and living in tumble-down huts made of sticks.



This trope is more or less becoming an UndeadHorseTrope due to history research. In reality, the Middle Ages were rather cleanly era; the Roman bathing culture survived well to the 14th century and public saunas were commonplace everywhere in Europe.[[note]]The Black Death was also the death of bathing culture, since fear of pestilence closed the public baths. This led to the genuinely filthy hygiene of the Renaissance.[[/note]] In rural areas away from the urban centers, people bathed regularly in ponds or streams, and, yes, they had toothbrushes. As can be seen even in the earthy village paintings of Pieter Breughel, housewives prided themselves on spotless white, starched linen, and a woman who didn't maintain that standard was a "slut."[[note]] Meaning, at the time, not "a promiscuous woman" but "a slovenly woman, a poor housekeeper." Over time the "bad wife" definition came to include infidelity, which eventually took over the word.[[/note]] On human excretion, urine was a valuable commodity on tanning and dyeing, and manure was widely used as fertilizer. In the RealLife, the ''actual'' Dung Ages were the Renaissance and the New Age following it: the spread of plague, syphilis and climate change (the end of the Medieval Warm Period) effectively killed the sauna culture everywhere in Europe except Scandinavia, mountainous areas, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Russia, and effectively put an end to any hygiene. Europe really recovered only with the spread of the modern sanitation in the 19th century, although bathing (now private rather than communal) at least made a comeback during the reign of the obsessively fastidious Louis XIV. [[note]]For a while, it was even fashionable for wealthy ladies to have their portraits painted in the bath![[/note]].

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This trope is more or less becoming an UndeadHorseTrope due to history research. In reality, the Middle Ages were a rather cleanly era; the Roman bathing culture survived well to the 14th century and public saunas were commonplace everywhere in Europe.[[note]]The Black Death was also the death of bathing culture, since fear of pestilence closed the public baths. This led to the genuinely filthy hygiene of the Renaissance.[[/note]] In rural areas away from the urban centers, people bathed regularly in ponds or streams, and, yes, they had toothbrushes. As can be seen even in the earthy village paintings of Pieter Breughel, housewives prided themselves on spotless white, starched linen, and a woman who didn't maintain that standard was a "slut."[[note]] Meaning, "[[note]]Meaning, at the time, not "a promiscuous woman" but "a slovenly woman, a poor housekeeper." Over time the "bad wife" definition came to include infidelity, which eventually took over the word.[[/note]] On human excretion, urine was a valuable commodity on tanning and dyeing, and manure was widely used as fertilizer. In the RealLife, the ''actual'' Dung Ages were the Renaissance and the New Age following it: the spread of plague, syphilis and climate change (the end of the Medieval Warm Period) effectively killed the sauna culture everywhere in Europe except Scandinavia, mountainous areas, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Russia, and effectively put an end to any hygiene. Europe really recovered only with the spread of the modern sanitation in the 19th century, although bathing (now private rather than communal) at least made a comeback during the reign of the obsessively fastidious Louis XIV. [[note]]For a while, it was even fashionable for wealthy ladies to have their portraits painted in the bath![[/note]].
19th Mar '17 3:15:50 PM TheKaizerreich
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** Logical Extreme for humans, anyway. The Skaven, which are bi-pedal, intelligent rat people with a perchant for highly advanced, if unstable technology, are much, much worse still. Since they exist in the hundreds of millions all over the world but live underground, and are back-stabby and cannibalistic ''and'' worship a God of pestilence and decay, their cities are more mold and rot than wood and stone (the capital is literally sinking a little more into a morast of death every year), their soldiers are disease-ridden and wear more filth than cloth (to say nothing of the "peasants") and they even have have a magic discipline focused around decay and disease. Where humans usually at least try, Skaven don't even care, nor do they need to.
18th Mar '17 6:22:14 PM nombretomado
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* Debunked in ''Website/{{Cracked}}'''s "[[http://www.cracked.com/article_20186_6-ridiculous-myths-about-middle-ages-everyone-believes.html 6 Ridiculous Myths About the Middle Ages Everyone Believes]]".

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* ''Website/{{Cracked}}'':
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Debunked in ''Website/{{Cracked}}'''s "[[http://www.cracked.com/article_20186_6-ridiculous-myths-about-middle-ages-everyone-believes.html 6 Ridiculous Myths About the Middle Ages Everyone Believes]]".



* Played heavily straight with in ''two'' of the [[PlanetOfHats lands]] of ''{{Neopets}}''; the medieval land of Meridell and the prehistoric land of Tyrannia. One could make a drinking game out of all the dung-related items that come from both.

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* Played heavily straight with in ''two'' of the [[PlanetOfHats lands]] of ''{{Neopets}}''; ''{{Website/Neopets}}''; the medieval land of Meridell and the prehistoric land of Tyrannia. One could make a drinking game out of all the dung-related items that come from both.
12th Mar '17 4:32:39 PM MercutioDreams
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* The town of Big Whiskey in ''Film/{{Unforgiven}} is covered in so much mud.

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* The town of Big Whiskey in ''Film/{{Unforgiven}} ''Film/{{Unforgiven}}'' is covered in so much mud.


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* The film version of ''[[Literature/{{Perfume}} Perfume: the Story of a Murderer]]'' depicts much of 18th-century France as this.
6th Mar '17 2:27:19 PM kazek552
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This trope is more or less becoming an UndeadHorseTrope due to history research. In reality, the Middle Ages were rather cleanly era; the Roman bathing culture survived well to the 14th century and public saunas were commonplace everywhere in Europe.[[note]]The Black Death was also the death of bathing culture, since fear of pestilence closed the public baths. This led to the genuinely filthy hygiene of the Renaissance.[[/note]] In rural areas away from the urban centers, people bathed regularly in ponds or streams, and, yes, they had toothbrushes. As can be seen even in the earthy village paintings of Pieter Breughel, housewives prided themselves on spotless white, starched linen, and a woman who didn't maintain that standard was a "slut."[[note]] Meaning, at the time, not "a promiscuous woman" but "a slovenly woman, a poor housekeeper." Over time the "bad wife" definition came to include infidelity, which eventually took over the word.[[/note]] On human excretion, urine was a valuable commodity on tanning and dyeing, and manure was widely used as fertilizer. In the RealLife, the ''actual'' Dung Ages were the Renaissance and the New Age following it: the spread of plague, syphilis and climate change (the end of the Medieval Warm Period) effectively killed the sauna culture everywhere in Europe except Scandinavia, mountainous areas and Russia, and effectively put an end to any hygiene. Europe really recovered only with the spread of the modern sanitation in the 19th century, although bathing (now private rather than communal) at least made a comeback during the reign of the obsessively fastidious Louis XIV. [[note]]For a while, it was even fashionable for wealthy ladies to have their portraits painted in the bath![[/note]].

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This trope is more or less becoming an UndeadHorseTrope due to history research. In reality, the Middle Ages were rather cleanly era; the Roman bathing culture survived well to the 14th century and public saunas were commonplace everywhere in Europe.[[note]]The Black Death was also the death of bathing culture, since fear of pestilence closed the public baths. This led to the genuinely filthy hygiene of the Renaissance.[[/note]] In rural areas away from the urban centers, people bathed regularly in ponds or streams, and, yes, they had toothbrushes. As can be seen even in the earthy village paintings of Pieter Breughel, housewives prided themselves on spotless white, starched linen, and a woman who didn't maintain that standard was a "slut."[[note]] Meaning, at the time, not "a promiscuous woman" but "a slovenly woman, a poor housekeeper." Over time the "bad wife" definition came to include infidelity, which eventually took over the word.[[/note]] On human excretion, urine was a valuable commodity on tanning and dyeing, and manure was widely used as fertilizer. In the RealLife, the ''actual'' Dung Ages were the Renaissance and the New Age following it: the spread of plague, syphilis and climate change (the end of the Medieval Warm Period) effectively killed the sauna culture everywhere in Europe except Scandinavia, mountainous areas areas, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Russia, and effectively put an end to any hygiene. Europe really recovered only with the spread of the modern sanitation in the 19th century, although bathing (now private rather than communal) at least made a comeback during the reign of the obsessively fastidious Louis XIV. [[note]]For a while, it was even fashionable for wealthy ladies to have their portraits painted in the bath![[/note]].
23rd Feb '17 12:14:25 PM Henker
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** The Brettonian dukedom of Mousillon is the logical extreme to this trope. Mousillon is a filthy, rundown region built on a swamp, so most the buildings are rotted and/or abandoned and streets are little more than sewers. The malformed peasants are almost all inbred, mutants or infected with plague. The graveyards of Mousillon are larger than the city itself, and undead roaming outside the gates is a constant problem.
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