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It\'s not really about the identity of the Big Bad or The Man Behind The Man, but as a case of a pivotal character who drove everything turning out to a random character you\'d never suspect, there\'s not really a better place to put it.



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* In ''GhostTrick'', it turns out that the course of the entire game was orchestrated by [[spoiler: an alternate future version of minor character and literal dog Missile, trying to prevent the death of Lynne and Kamila that would have happened if he had not convinced Sissel to interfere -- in the original version of events, TheBadGuyWins.]]

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* Arguably, the first ''{{Saw}}'' movie (see page quote).



** And in ''The Murder of Roger Ackroyd'', [[spoiler: the killer is the Narrator. In an inversion, he is perfectly reliable most of the time and much of the mystery is because everyone else is covering up their own misdeeds. The killer is genuinelly perplexed as to why the murder suddenly got so complicated.]]

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** And in ''The Murder of Roger Ackroyd'', [[spoiler: the killer is the Narrator. In an inversion, except for omitting the part where he murdered Mr. Ackroyd, he is perfectly reliable most of the time and much of the mystery is because everyone else is covering up their own misdeeds. The killer is genuinelly genuinely perplexed as to why the murder suddenly got so complicated.]]

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Not really an example. He just went into hiding and kept out of things.


* In ''GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex'': [[MagnificentBastard The Laughing Man]]'s icon reads ,"I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes". The Laughing Man actually does this several times. Apart from his ability to hack into people's cybernetic eyes and edit himself from their vision, he appears as [[spoiler: a random forum goer the Major speaks to about the Laughing Man case]] and he spent the years in between his first "attack" and the events of the series [[spoiler: pretending to be an actual deaf-dumb mute]]. Finally in the end he chooses to live the rest of his life [[spoiler: working in a library]].
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* An episode of Community has the study group trying to discover who among them stole Annie's pen. It turns out [[spoiler:it was a monkey living in the vents.]]

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* An episode of Community ''Community'' has the study group trying to discover who among them stole Annie's pen. It turns out [[spoiler:it was a monkey living in the vents.]]
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* An episode of Community has the study group trying to discover who among them stole Annie's pen. It turns out [[spoiler:it was a monkey living in the vents.]]
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* In the second book of the {{Foundation}} trilogy it is revealed that [[spoiler: Magnifico is The Mule]].
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* In ''TheUsualSuspects'', diabolical [[DiabolicalMastermind Criminal Mastermind Keyser Soze is [[spoiler:[[ItWasHisSled the "cripple" Verbal Kint]], which means this doubles as UnreliableNarrator]].

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* In ''TheUsualSuspects'', diabolical [[DiabolicalMastermind Criminal Mastermind Mastermind]] Keyser Soze is [[spoiler:[[ItWasHisSled the "cripple" Verbal Kint]], which means this doubles as UnreliableNarrator]].
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* In ''TheUsualSuspects'', diabolical CriminalMastermind Keyser Soze is [[spoiler:[[ItWasHisSled the "cripple" Verbal Kint]], which means this doubles as UnreliableNarrator]].

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* In ''TheUsualSuspects'', diabolical CriminalMastermind [[DiabolicalMastermind Criminal Mastermind Keyser Soze is [[spoiler:[[ItWasHisSled the "cripple" Verbal Kint]], which means this doubles as UnreliableNarrator]].

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* In ''TheUsualSuspects'', diabolical CriminalMastermind Keyser Soze is [[spoiler:[[ItWasHisSled the "cripple" Verbal Kint]], which means this doubles as UnreliableNarrator]].


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** Inverted in ''Murder On The Orient Express'': [[spoiler:''everyone'' was the murderer]].
** In ''Death On The Nile'', [[spoiler: it was the husband, who apparently had been shot in the leg by his embittered ex-lover and spent most of the story too crippled to be a suspect. In fact they were working together and he faked the injury, killed his wife, then shot himself for real to throw off suspicion]].
** And in ''The Murder of Roger Ackroyd'', [[spoiler: the killer is the Narrator. In an inversion, he is perfectly reliable most of the time and much of the mystery is because everyone else is covering up their own misdeeds. The killer is genuinelly perplexed as to why the murder suddenly got so complicated.]]
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* Quentin Makepeace (a foppish playwright in the prime minister's company) turns out to be the mastermind of all the events in the BartimaeusTrilogy

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* Quentin Makepeace (a foppish playwright in the prime minister's company) turns out to be the mastermind of all the events in the BartimaeusTrilogy
''TheBartimaeusTrilogy.''
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* Quentin Makepeace (a foppish playwright in the prime minister's company) turns out to be the mastermind of all the events in the BartimaeusTrilogy
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* Played with in the "Killerman" event in ''{{Illbleed}}''. Midway through, you're asked to finger a suspect for the role of Killerman (if you're right, you win more money). Besides the proper suspects you've encountered, the choices for who may be the murderous Killerman includes... [[ShapedLikeItself Killerman]], and the ''player''. The latter is explained that playing ''{{Illbleed}}'' drove you insane and made you go on a killing spree. (This being ''{{Illbleed}}'', this is at least somewhat plausible.)
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* [[InvaderZim It was me! I was the turkey all along! MEEE!!]]
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* FullMetalAlchemist, manga version. The Homunculus Pride is [[spoiler: [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld little Selim Bradley]]. In fairness, the biggest clue to his identity are his speech patterns in the original Japanese, [[LostInTranslation which wouldn't get through to an American reader]]. One translator did pick up on this [[IKnewIt and correctly predicted his identity]].

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* FullMetalAlchemist, manga version. The Homunculus Pride is [[spoiler: [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld little Selim Bradley]].Bradley]]]]. In fairness, the biggest clue to his identity are his speech patterns in the original Japanese, [[LostInTranslation which wouldn't get through to an American reader]]. One translator did pick up on this [[IKnewIt and correctly predicted his identity]].
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* FullMetalAlchemist, manga version. The Homunculus Pride is [[spoiler: [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld little Selim Bradley]]. In fairness, the biggest clue to his identity are his speech patterns in the original Japanese, [[LostInTranslation which wouldn't get through to an American reader]]. One translator did pick up on this [[IKnewIt and correctly predicted his identity]].
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->'"The real killer was. . . the guy on the floor. After all, no one would have expected the guy on the floor, because he has '''nothing to do with this movie'''!
-->-- '''ConfusedMatthew''', in his review of {{Saw}}.
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Kind of a bad example. LawOfTheConservationOfDetail means most players could pick up on Marx being relevant to the stroyline.


* Marx from ''KirbySuperStar'' is introduced at the beginning when he tells you the objective for Milky Way Wishes, wishes you luck, and you leave. You don't see him again until the very end, when he reveals that [[XanatosGambit he set up the whole thing so he could rule the world.]]

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* Marx from ''KirbySuperStar'' is introduced at the beginning when he tells you the objective for Milky Way Wishes, wishes you luck, and you leave. You don't see him again until the very end, when he reveals that [[XanatosGambit he set up the whole thing so he could rule the world.]]
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The phrase doesn\'t have the word \"dumb\" in it.


* In ''GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex'': [[MagnificentBastard The Laughing Man]]'s icon reads ,"I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those dumb deaf-mutes". The Laughing Man actually does this several times. Apart from his ability to hack into people's cybernetic eyes and edit himself from their vision, he appears as [[spoiler: a random forum goer the Major speaks to about the Laughing Man case]] and he spent the years in between his first "attack" and the events of the series [[spoiler: pretending to be an actual deaf-dumb mute]]. Finally in the end he chooses to live the rest of his life [[spoiler: working in a library]].

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* In ''GhostInTheShellStandAloneComplex'': [[MagnificentBastard The Laughing Man]]'s icon reads ,"I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those dumb deaf-mutes". The Laughing Man actually does this several times. Apart from his ability to hack into people's cybernetic eyes and edit himself from their vision, he appears as [[spoiler: a random forum goer the Major speaks to about the Laughing Man case]] and he spent the years in between his first "attack" and the events of the series [[spoiler: pretending to be an actual deaf-dumb mute]]. Finally in the end he chooses to live the rest of his life [[spoiler: working in a library]].
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* Marx, from ''KirbySuperStar, is introduced at the beginning when he tells you the objective for Milky Way Wishes, wishes you luck, and you leave. You don't see him again until the very end, when he reveals that [[XanatosGambit he set up the whole thing so he could rule the world.]]

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* Marx, Marx from ''KirbySuperStar, ''KirbySuperStar'' is introduced at the beginning when he tells you the objective for Milky Way Wishes, wishes you luck, and you leave. You don't see him again until the very end, when he reveals that [[XanatosGambit he set up the whole thing so he could rule the world.]]

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* The BigBad in ''NoOneLivesForever'' turns out to be [[spoiler: a recurring background character that shows up drunk in most levels as a RunningGag]]

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* The BigBad in ''NoOneLivesForever'' turns out to be [[spoiler: a recurring background character that shows up drunk in most levels as a RunningGag]]RunningGag.]]



* In ''WildARMs3'', you'll occasionally notice a purple-haired little girl. She might just walk by for a second as you enter a town or dungeon, or show up standing near a plot-important character as he begins conspicuously talking to himself. She is, of course, the BigBad ManipulativeBastard.

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* In ''WildARMs3'', you'll occasionally notice a purple-haired little girl. She might just walk by for a second as you enter a town or dungeon, or show up standing near a plot-important character as he begins conspicuously talking to himself. She is, of course, the [[spoiler:the BigBad ManipulativeBastard.
ManipulativeBastard.]]
* In the open-world FirstPersonShooter ''[[BoilingPointRoadToHell Boiling Point: Road to Hell]]'', a patron in the bar at the beginning of the game turns out to be the game's BigBad.
* Marx, from ''KirbySuperStar, is introduced at the beginning when he tells you the objective for Milky Way Wishes, wishes you luck, and you leave. You don't see him again until the very end, when he reveals that [[XanatosGambit he set up the whole thing so he could rule the world.]]
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* In ''WildARMs3'', you'll occasionally notice a purple-haired little girl. She might just walk by for a second as you enter a town or dungeon, or show up standing near a plot-important character as he begins conspicuously talking to himself. She is, of course, the BigBad ManipulativeBastard.
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Also see BeneathSuspicion and MilkmanConspiracy. Sometimes appears in a CluelessMystery.

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Also see BeneathSuspicion BeneathSuspicion, [[{{ptitle54psy2mkt9lx}} Chekhov's Gunman]], and MilkmanConspiracy. Sometimes appears in a CluelessMystery.
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* Parodied in the "Scooby-Doo Ending" of ''WaynesWorld'', where it's revealed that Ben is really Old Man Withers, the amusement park owner who Wayne spoke to for five seconds near the beginning in the film.

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* Parodied in the "Scooby-Doo Ending" of ''WaynesWorld'', where it's revealed that Ben is really Old Man Withers, the amusement park owner who Wayne spoke to for five seconds near the beginning in of the film.
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* Parodied in the "Scooby-Doo Ending" of ''WaynesWorld'', where it's revealed that Ben is really Old Man Withers, the amusement park owner who Wayne spoke to for five seconds near the beginning in the film.
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* Quicker version: Who is the Claw in ''GunXSword''? [[spoiler:The old man talking to Wendy in the park.]]
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* In ''RPGWorld'', after Galgarion disguises himself to infiltrate the heroes, we get an extremely elaborate RedHerringMole in the form of Eikre. Galgarion's actual disguise? [[spoiler:A ''flower'' that Eikre had bought and attempted to give to Cherry.]]

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->'"The real killer was. . . the guy on the floor. After all, no one would have expected the guy on the floor, because he has '''nothing to do with this movie'''!
-->-- '''ConfusedMatthew''', in his review of {{Saw}}.

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->'"The real killer was. . . the guy on the floor. After all, no one would have expected the guy on the floor, because he has '''nothing to do with this movie'''!
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->'"The real killer was. . . the guy on the floor. After all, no one would have expected the guy on the floor, because he has '''nothing to do with this movie'''!
-->-- '''ConfusedMatthew''', in his review of {{Saw}}.
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* Asterix: The [[ManBehindTheMan villain behind the sickle-trafficking gang]] in Asterix's second album, "Asterix and the Golden Sickle": [[ChekhovsGunman He appeared time and again before the reveal? ]] Check. Was he BeneathSuspicion? Check. [[TheReveal It is a surprise both to the heroes and the audience? ]] Check. [[InherentInTheSystem Does it make sense with the general theme of that album? ]] You bet, because this is the only way the not so bright members of the sickle-trafficking gang could get away with an operation like this for so much time.

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* Asterix: ''{{Asterix}}'': The [[ManBehindTheMan villain behind the sickle-trafficking gang]] in Asterix's second album, "Asterix and the Golden Sickle": [[ChekhovsGunman He appeared time and again before the reveal? ]] Check. Was he BeneathSuspicion? Check. [[TheReveal It is a surprise both to the heroes and the audience? ]] Check. [[InherentInTheSystem Does it make sense with the general theme of that album? ]] You bet, because this is the only way the not so bright members of the sickle-trafficking gang could get away with an operation like this for so much time.
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* Asterix: The [[ManBehindTheMan villain behind the sickle-trafficking gang]] in Asterix's second album, "Asterix and the Golden Sickle": [[ChejovGunman He appeared time and again before the reveal? ]] Check. Was he BeneathSuspicion? Check. [[TheReveal It is a surprise both to the heroes and the audience? ]] Check. [[InherentInTheSystem Does it make sense with the general theme of that album? ]] You bet, because this is the only way the not so bright members of the sickle-trafficking gang could get away with an operation like this for so much time.

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* Asterix: The [[ManBehindTheMan villain behind the sickle-trafficking gang]] in Asterix's second album, "Asterix and the Golden Sickle": [[ChejovGunman [[ChekhovsGunman He appeared time and again before the reveal? ]] Check. Was he BeneathSuspicion? Check. [[TheReveal It is a surprise both to the heroes and the audience? ]] Check. [[InherentInTheSystem Does it make sense with the general theme of that album? ]] You bet, because this is the only way the not so bright members of the sickle-trafficking gang could get away with an operation like this for so much time.

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