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8th Feb '16 12:16:31 AM eroock
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->''"Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown."''\\ --'''Creator/WilliamShakespeare''', ''2 Theatre/HenryIV'' 3.1.31.
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->''"Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown."''\\ --'''Creator/WilliamShakespeare''', "'' -->-- '''Creator/WilliamShakespeare''', ''2 Theatre/HenryIV'' 3.1.31.
7th Feb '16 11:07:20 PM TheSinful
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* A number of characters in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5415436/1/The-Black-Empire The Black Empire]]'' comment upon [[Anime/CodeGeass Zero]] and how heavy his mask must be, referring to leading the Black Knights against Britannia at the cost of everything, including one's own identity.
7th Feb '16 11:40:31 AM Andrzej
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Not to be confused with [[{{Series/Firefly}} the chain I beat you with till you understand who's in ruttin' command here]], nor is it the same as the Chain of Command, which was renamed to SlaveCollar (and is completely unrelated).
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Not to be confused with [[{{Series/Firefly}} [[Series/{{Firefly}} the chain I beat you with till you understand who's in ruttin' command here]], nor is it the same as the Chain of Command, which was renamed to SlaveCollar (and is completely unrelated).

* Jean Kirstein from ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' struggles with the very idea that he's a natural leader, doubting his abilities and whether he even deserves that much power over whether others live or die. This leads to a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment after he's forced to use the deaths of several comrades as a distraction, and he nearly breaks down while wondering how many more died on his command. It takes [[spoiler: the death of Marco, his best friend and loudest supporter]] to make him accept this responsibility and begin believing in himself. ** Commander Erwin Smith has had to make several tough calls regarding sacrificing his soldiers for the greater good but when things go bad, it usually falls on his head, particularly after [[spoiler: the failure of the 57th Expedition]]. He usually has the fortitude to continue on but it's shown that even he has his limits.
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* Jean Kirstein from ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' struggles with the very idea that he's a natural leader, doubting his abilities and whether he even deserves that much power over whether others live or die. This leads to a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment after he's forced to use the deaths of several comrades as a distraction, and he nearly breaks down while wondering how many more died on his command. It takes [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the death of Marco, his best friend and loudest supporter]] to make him accept this responsibility and begin believing in himself. himself. ** Commander Erwin Smith has had to make several tough calls regarding sacrificing his soldiers for the greater good but when things go bad, it usually falls on his head, particularly after [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the failure of the 57th Expedition]]. He usually has the fortitude to continue on but it's shown that even he has his limits.

-->'''Surge''': Shut up. Just '''shut up!''' -->'''Prodigy''': Nori! -->'''Surge''': No! Where was he when we were getting killed!? Well? Where were you when we were getting '''blown up in buses''', or '''shot in the head''', or getting our '''hearts ripped out?!''' Where were you when those '''Purifier bastards''' came to '''kill''' what was left of us in your '''freaking mansion?!'''
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-->'''Surge''': Shut up. Just '''shut up!''' -->'''Prodigy''': Nori! -->'''Surge''': up!'''\\ '''Prodigy''': Nori!\\ '''Surge''': No! Where was he when we were getting killed!? Well? Where were you when we were getting '''blown up in buses''', or '''shot in the head''', or getting our '''hearts ripped out?!''' Where were you when those '''Purifier bastards''' came to '''kill''' what was left of us in your '''freaking mansion?!'''

--> '''Gaarra:''' Something’s wrong?\\
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--> '''Gaarra:''' Something’s -->'''Gaarra:''' Something's wrong?\\

'''Gaarra:''' You’re worried?\\ '''Eleya:''' I’m captain of the ship. It’s my job to be worried.
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'''Gaarra:''' You’re You're worried?\\ '''Eleya:''' I’m I'm captain of the ship. It’s It's my job to be worried.

--> '''Severa:''' ''She needs a person who can lead alongside her, and I... I'm not that person.''
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--> '''Severa:''' -->'''Severa:''' ''She needs a person who can lead alongside her, and I... I'm not that person.''

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--> '''General Allenby''': I thought I was a hard man, sir. --> '''Prince Feisal''': You are merely a general. I must be a king.
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--> '''General -->'''General Allenby''': I thought I was a hard man, sir. --> sir.\\ '''Prince Feisal''': You are merely a general. I must be a king.

--> '''Albert''': "I'm just a naval officer... ''[sobs]'' I don't know how to do anything else..."
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--> '''Albert''': -->'''Albert''': "I'm just a naval officer... ''[sobs]'' I don't know how to do anything else..."

--> '''David''': "Haven't I got any rights?" --> '''Albert''': "Many privileges" --> '''David''': "Not the same thing."
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--> '''David''': --->'''David''': "Haven't I got any rights?" --> rights?"\\ '''Albert''': "Many privileges" --> privileges"\\ '''David''': "Not the same thing."

--> '''Christina''': I'm tired of being a symbol, chancellor. I long to be a human being.
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--> '''Christina''': -->'''Christina''': I'm tired of being a symbol, chancellor. I long to be a human being.

* Prince Josua from ''MemorySorrowAndThorn''. He dislikes it so much that [[spoiler: in the end he gives over to Simon and becomes an Innkeeper. Gladly. Simon seems to like the taste of power better.]]
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* Prince Josua from ''MemorySorrowAndThorn''. He dislikes it so much that [[spoiler: in [[spoiler:in the end he gives over to Simon and becomes an Innkeeper. Gladly. Simon seems to like the taste of power better.]]

-->'''Iblis''': After all these years, I finally understand why she does things the way she does. I've always assumed that she was gathering more and more power to herself simply because she was in love with power. But I was wrong. With everything she does there are lives hanging in the balance. And she's terrified of trusting anyone else with those lives. --> All the pieces of [Leia's] life these past few years fell suddenly into place. All the diplomatic missions Mon Mothma had insisted she go on, no matter what the personal cost in lost Jedi training and strained family life. All the trust she'd invested in Ackbar and a few others; all the responsibility that had been shifted onto fewer and fewer shoulders. Onto the shoulders of those few she could trust to do the job right.
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-->'''Iblis''': --->'''Iblis''': After all these years, I finally understand why she does things the way she does. I've always assumed that she was gathering more and more power to herself simply because she was in love with power. But I was wrong. With everything she does there are lives hanging in the balance. And she's terrified of trusting anyone else with those lives. --> lives.\\ All the pieces of [Leia's] life these past few years fell suddenly into place. All the diplomatic missions Mon Mothma had insisted she go on, no matter what the personal cost in lost Jedi training and strained family life. All the trust she'd invested in Ackbar and a few others; all the responsibility that had been shifted onto fewer and fewer shoulders. Onto the shoulders of those few she could trust to do the job right.

* King Glyn the First in the ''{{Literature/Deverry}}'' novel Darkspell.
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* King Glyn the First in the ''{{Literature/Deverry}}'' ''Literature/{{Deverry}}'' novel Darkspell.

** The titular prince becomes this once he realizes that the Marines guarding him are people who have their own problems. It's bad enough while he's on [[DeathWorld Marduk]] but things become infinitely worse once they get off-planet and discover the real situation back home. By that point, [[spoiler: there are so few of the Bronze Barbarians left that he's fanatic about keeping them safe and will do ''anything'' to reduce casualties on his side. His advisors are so concerned about this that they talk to his BodyguardCrush to make sure that she'll serve as his "[[MoralityChain prosthetic conscience]]" to make sure that he doesn't just roll over the opposition with MoreDakka when a less-violent alternative is feasible.]]
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** The titular prince becomes this once he realizes that the Marines guarding him are people who have their own problems. It's bad enough while he's on [[DeathWorld Marduk]] but things become infinitely worse once they get off-planet and discover the real situation back home. By that point, [[spoiler: there [[spoiler:there are so few of the Bronze Barbarians left that he's fanatic about keeping them safe and will do ''anything'' to reduce casualties on his side. His advisors are so concerned about this that they talk to his BodyguardCrush to make sure that she'll serve as his "[[MoralityChain prosthetic conscience]]" to make sure that he doesn't just roll over the opposition with MoreDakka when a less-violent alternative is feasible.]]

* In ''[[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Ghost Story]]'', Harry Dresden [[spoiler: nearly has a break down when he realizes that the choices he made in the previous book (leading his friends into a battle against the entire Red Court to save his daughter) may have been wrong, and caused more harm than good. Killing Susan to destroy the Red Court may have gotten rid of many evil monsters, but the power void left over means that equally bad things are scrambling to take the Red Court's place. The result is a chaotic unsafe world, where even the normals are noticing something bad is going on]]. Harry sees his friends suffering and can feel nothing but guilt.
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* In ''[[Literature/TheDresdenFiles Ghost Story]]'', Harry Dresden [[spoiler: nearly [[spoiler:nearly has a break down when he realizes that the choices he made in the previous book (leading his friends into a battle against the entire Red Court to save his daughter) may have been wrong, and caused more harm than good. Killing Susan to destroy the Red Court may have gotten rid of many evil monsters, but the power void left over means that equally bad things are scrambling to take the Red Court's place. The result is a chaotic unsafe world, where even the normals are noticing something bad is going on]]. Harry sees his friends suffering and can feel nothing but guilt.

--> ''It is good to be a chieftain when ale is passed around or spoils are divided, but worse when sharp thinking is needed and plans are to be made.''
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--> ''It -->''It is good to be a chieftain when ale is passed around or spoils are divided, but worse when sharp thinking is needed and plans are to be made.''

* StarCommand: Shane Ridnaur explains this to a cadet. The commanding officer is [[LonelyAtTheTop alone]] and must appear invincible to encourage confidence among the crew. Also titled “In the Fold”. (This is a tv movie and not a film, therefore it belongs in the live action TV folder.) [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Command_(film)]]
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* StarCommand: Shane Ridnaur explains this to a cadet. The commanding officer is [[LonelyAtTheTop alone]] and must appear invincible to encourage confidence among the crew. Also titled “In "In the Fold”.Fold". (This is a tv movie and not a film, therefore it belongs in the live action TV folder.) [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Command_(film)]]

** Silvio doesn't last more than a few days as regent because the responsibility quickly takes a toll on his health. * Though most of the time ''{{Series/Firefly}}'s'' Malcolm Reynolds doesn't show the stress that his job as Captain of the good ship ''Serenity'' would foist on him, there are a few occasional moments where he does show that weight of responsibility, particularly in [[Film/{{Serenity}} the Big Damn Movie]].
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** ** Silvio doesn't last more than a few days as regent because the responsibility quickly takes a toll on his health. * Though most of the time ''{{Series/Firefly}}'s'' ''Series/{{Firefly}}'s'' Malcolm Reynolds doesn't show the stress that his job as Captain of the good ship ''Serenity'' would foist on him, there are a few occasional moments where he does show that weight of responsibility, particularly in [[Film/{{Serenity}} the Big Damn Movie]].

-->Forty seconds, sir... All I've needed... was forty seconds...
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-->Forty --->Forty seconds, sir... All I've needed... was forty seconds...

* ''{{Series/Dollhouse}}'''s Adelle Dewitt feels this trope pretty hard, though most characters are unaware of how much it weighs on her, thanks to her [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask Queenly Mask]].
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* ''{{Series/Dollhouse}}'''s ''Series/{{Dollhouse}}'''s Adelle Dewitt feels this trope pretty hard, though most characters are unaware of how much it weighs on her, thanks to her [[TheWomanWearingTheQueenlyMask Queenly Mask]].

* Israeli satire show ''Eretz Nehederet'' aired [[http://totzeret-haaretz.tumblr.com/post/42509645050/this-song-isnt-relevant-anymore-but-i-got-a this skit]] before the winner of the 2009 elections was declared. It featured a group of former Israeli prime ministers singing a song to both candidates, aimed at the winner-to-be, detailing how awful life would be after they get the job. Subverted by Shim‘on Peres, who would still like to be the prime minister again in spite of everything. * ''Series/{{Borgen}}'' practically runs on this. It’s revealed that WhenYouComingHomeDad is in full effect in Borgen, and many politicians divorce or have their marriage ruined because of this. [[spoiler:By the end of season 1, this happens to Birgitte too.]]
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* Israeli satire show ''Eretz Nehederet'' aired [[http://totzeret-haaretz.tumblr.com/post/42509645050/this-song-isnt-relevant-anymore-but-i-got-a this skit]] before the winner of the 2009 elections was declared. It featured a group of former Israeli prime ministers singing a song to both candidates, aimed at the winner-to-be, detailing how awful life would be after they get the job. Subverted by Shim‘on Shim'on Peres, who would still like to be the prime minister again in spite of everything. * ''Series/{{Borgen}}'' practically runs on this. It’s It's revealed that WhenYouComingHomeDad is in full effect in Borgen, and many politicians divorce or have their marriage ruined because of this. [[spoiler:By the end of season 1, this happens to Birgitte too.]]

-->This is the price of commanding– -->That you watch your dearest die, -->Sending women and men -->To fight again, -->And you never tell them why
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-->This is the price of commanding– -->That commanding--\\ That you watch your dearest die, -->Sending die,\\ Sending women and men -->To men\\ To fight again, -->And again,\\ And you never tell them why

** For an NPC example, [[spoiler:Ronald Taylor tried to invoke this trope as an excuse for his flying leap over the MoralEventHorizon (basically, he got stranded on an alien world, and killed most of the men and forced the women in his crew to serve as a harem).]] If you choose the Paragon option, [[spoiler: Jacob calls out his father as being a horrible, selfish man who didn't make the best of a horrible situation, but rather turned a horrible situation to his advantage at the expense of his fellow human beings, and only called for help when the situation became untenable. He then disowns his father.]] ** This is arguably the driving theme of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', along with the theme of [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifice]]. Garrus and Shepard have a conversation at one point talking about the "ruthless calculus" of deciding who lives and who dies, and party members will express concern about [[HurtingHero Shepard]] throughout the course of the game as the weight of the decisions s/he has to make in the war against the Reapers take their emotional toll. Towards the end of the game, when [[spoiler: Shepard fails on Thessia and the Asari homeworld is completely lost]], [[HeroicBSOD s/he very visibly cracks under the strain,]] [[TraumaCongaLine and it just gets worse from there.]]
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** For an NPC example, [[spoiler:Ronald Taylor tried to invoke this trope as an excuse for his flying leap over the MoralEventHorizon (basically, he got stranded on an alien world, and killed most of the men and forced the women in his crew to serve as a harem).]] If you choose the Paragon option, [[spoiler: Jacob [[spoiler:Jacob calls out his father as being a horrible, selfish man who didn't make the best of a horrible situation, but rather turned a horrible situation to his advantage at the expense of his fellow human beings, and only called for help when the situation became untenable. He then disowns his father.]] ** This is arguably the driving theme of ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', along with the theme of [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifice]]. Garrus and Shepard have a conversation at one point talking about the "ruthless calculus" of deciding who lives and who dies, and party members will express concern about [[HurtingHero Shepard]] throughout the course of the game as the weight of the decisions s/he has to make in the war against the Reapers take their emotional toll. Towards the end of the game, when [[spoiler: Shepard [[spoiler:Shepard fails on Thessia and the Asari homeworld is completely lost]], [[HeroicBSOD s/he very visibly cracks under the strain,]] [[TraumaCongaLine and it just gets worse from there.]]

* Mitsuru Kirijo of ''{{Persona 3}}'' feels these all too keenly, though some of it is self-imposed. She is the club leader of SEES, the sole force capable of fighting Shadows, and is thus directly in charge of the battle against them as well as responsible for the welfare of the team. But more than that, she is mercilessly driven by the guilt she feels as heiress of the Kirijo Group, who were responsible for their creation in the first place. [[spoiler: Or so it seems. After her father's death, she breaks down entirely, because it was his guilt she worked so hard and sacrificed so much of herself to erase. With him gone, she sees no point in anything. HarsherInHindsight when you realize Takeharu, though clearly a caring parent, never knew the depth of her love and devotion to him; he merely chastised her for feeling guilty over something that wasn't her fault and trying to do too much on her own.]]
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* Mitsuru Kirijo of ''{{Persona 3}}'' feels these all too keenly, though some of it is self-imposed. She is the club leader of SEES, the sole force capable of fighting Shadows, and is thus directly in charge of the battle against them as well as responsible for the welfare of the team. But more than that, she is mercilessly driven by the guilt she feels as heiress of the Kirijo Group, who were responsible for their creation in the first place. [[spoiler: Or [[spoiler:Or so it seems. After her father's death, she breaks down entirely, because it was his ''his'' guilt she worked so hard and sacrificed so much of herself to erase. With him gone, she sees no point in anything. HarsherInHindsight when you realize Takeharu, though clearly a caring parent, never knew the depth of her love and devotion to him; he merely chastised her for feeling guilty over something that wasn't her fault and trying to do too much on her own.]]


** Robin may also count too. In "Failsafe" after [[spoiler: Aqualad's (temporary) HeroicSacrifice]], he had to take control and intentionally [[spoiler: sent Superboy on a suicide mission and the choice [[BreakTheCutie devastated him]].]] He admits to Black Canary that [[spoiler: he doesn't have it in him to pull off a GoodIsNotNice and he doesn't want to be the next Batman.]] ** In season two, [[spoiler: Robin, now Nightwing, is leader of the team and is definitely feeling the weight of the choices he has to make. Even worse is that he seems to be pulling off GoodIsNotNice, and hates every minute of it.]] ** Captain Atom was too happy to relinquish his position as the leader of the Justice League once the situation stabilized enough for it.
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** Robin may also count too. In "Failsafe" after [[spoiler: Aqualad's [[spoiler:Aqualad's (temporary) HeroicSacrifice]], he had to take control and intentionally [[spoiler: sent [[spoiler:sent Superboy on a suicide mission and the choice [[BreakTheCutie devastated him]].]] He admits to Black Canary that [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he doesn't have it in him to pull off a GoodIsNotNice and he doesn't want to be the next Batman.]] ** In season two, [[spoiler: Robin, [[spoiler:Robin, now Nightwing, is leader of the team and is definitely feeling the weight of the choices he has to make. Even worse is that he seems to be pulling off GoodIsNotNice, and hates every minute of it.]] ** Captain Atom was too happy to relinquish his position as the leader of the Justice League once the situation stabilized enough for it.

--> [[spoiler: [[CreditsGag HEAVY IS THE HEAD THAT WEARS THE FEZ]]]]
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--> [[spoiler: [[CreditsGag -->[[spoiler:[[CreditsGag HEAVY IS THE HEAD THAT WEARS THE FEZ]]]]
3rd Feb '16 4:01:53 PM SolipSchism
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Adding a line to differentiate between two very similarly named and yet very different existing Wiki Words (Chain Of Command redirects to Slave Collar and comes up on a search for similar terms)
Not to be confused with [[{{Series/Firefly}} the chain I beat you with till you understand who's in ruttin' command here]].
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Not to be confused with [[{{Series/Firefly}} the chain I beat you with till you understand who's in ruttin' command here]].here]], nor is it the same as the Chain of Command, which was renamed to SlaveCollar (and is completely unrelated).
15th Jan '16 3:56:54 AM Morgenthaler
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Link rot.
* The last arc of the ''ComicBook/XWingSeries'' comics featured this pretty clearly. Wedge, helping make plans for an operation to rescue a defecting Imperial, accepts that he and his people will be the ones who have to make sure any potential disaster stays potential. They have to fly cover, and if they can't adjust to any surprises... Later in the arc, after things went wrong, the Rebel Alliance Council [[http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7277/swrsmr307.jpg look over the situation]] and decide that [[http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5484/swrsmr308.jpg they can't allocate any more forces to helping their people out]], to Leia's misery. She'd like to gather up Luke and Han and Lando and pull a BigDamnHeroes moment, but her sphere of responsibility is so much wider now, and she has to apply to other conflicts.
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* The last arc of the ''ComicBook/XWingSeries'' comics featured this pretty clearly. Wedge, helping make plans for an operation to rescue a defecting Imperial, accepts that he and his people will be the ones who have to make sure any potential disaster stays potential. They have to fly cover, and if they can't adjust to any surprises... Later in the arc, after things went wrong, the Rebel Alliance Council [[http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7277/swrsmr307.jpg look over the situation]] situation and decide that [[http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/5484/swrsmr308.jpg they can't allocate any more forces to helping their people out]], out, to Leia's misery. She'd like to gather up Luke and Han and Lando and pull a BigDamnHeroes moment, but her sphere of responsibility is so much wider now, and she has to apply to other conflicts.
5th Jan '16 11:20:23 PM zequeins
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* Lord Shojo from ''WebComic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' is the leader of Azure City and [[LawfulGood an order of Paladins.]] He does this by ObfuscatingStupidity as a ChaoticGood person. When one of the Paladins called him out for his underhanded tactics, he has some choice words in combination with ToBeLawfulOrGood: -->'''Lord Shojo:''' It is good for you Paladins to stick to your convictions, but if ''I'' make a mistake, half a million citizens pay for it.
22nd Dec '15 11:47:09 AM h27kim
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* In a much more modern legend, Russian Tsar Alexander I is said to have grown so disillusioned with power after defeating Napoleon and having been involved in the politics of post-Napoleonic Europe that he faked his death in 1825 and became a monk, taking on the name Fyodor Kuzmich.
19th Dec '15 2:36:21 PM nombretomado
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* In ''ShadowsOfTheApt'', why Selma can't leave his band.
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* In ''ShadowsOfTheApt'', ''Literature/ShadowsOfTheApt'', why Selma can't leave his band.
13th Dec '15 4:16:13 PM nombretomado
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* [[XWingSeries Wedge Antilles]] sometimes falls under this trope, mostly when pilots under his command are dying. He does have to write the letters back to their families and takes a little comfort that ItNeverGetsAnyEasier.
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* [[XWingSeries [[ComicBook/XWingSeries Wedge Antilles]] sometimes falls under this trope, mostly when pilots under his command are dying. He does have to write the letters back to their families and takes a little comfort that ItNeverGetsAnyEasier.
4th Dec '15 2:06:32 PM MechWarrior
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** A President who aged ''before'' taking office was arguably [[UsefulNotes/DwightDEisenhower Ike]], due to serving as [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Allied Commander of the European theater]]. The stress of leading allied forces against a well-trained military force drove Ike to drink and smoke constantly. And he took the duty seriously: A letter was found after D-Day that Eisenhower wrote in case the Normandy landings failed where he asked [[ItsAllMyFault to take full blame]] (even though the landing was successful, the letter is [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming still considered an excellent example of leadership]]). By the time Ike was President, he wasn't in the best of health.
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** A President who aged ''before'' taking office was arguably [[UsefulNotes/DwightDEisenhower Ike]], due to serving as [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Allied Commander of the European theater]]. The stress of leading allied forces against a well-trained military force drove Ike to drink and smoke constantly. And he took the duty seriously: A letter was found after D-Day that Eisenhower wrote in case the Normandy landings failed where he asked [[ItsAllMyFault to take full blame]] (even though the landing was successful, the letter is [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments still considered an excellent example of leadership]]). By the time Ike was President, he wasn't in the best of health.
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