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* No one has done this quite as uniquely as Wrestling/BrayWyatt. After several years as a [[Film/CapeFear Max Cady]] {{Expy}}, Wyatt finally dropped the gimmick come 2019, remerging as the nightmarish Fiend. And just to drive the point home that his old character was dead, he arrived in his first match with a lantern [[https://gmsrp.cachefly.net/images/19/08/14/a6a8a2b9ffdc7cf062974ce165bc46d0/960.jpg resembling his severed head.]]

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* No one has done this quite as uniquely as Wrestling/BrayWyatt. After several years as a [[Film/CapeFear Max Cady]] {{Expy}}, Wyatt finally dropped the gimmick come 2019, remerging as the nightmarish Fiend. And just to drive the point home that his old character was dead, he arrived in his first match with a lantern [[https://gmsrp.cachefly.net/images/19/08/14/a6a8a2b9ffdc7cf062974ce165bc46d0/960.jpg [[https://www.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/1562/15626911/3571074-1.png resembling his severed head.]]
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Dissociation does not automatically equal DID.


* The RealLife version of this is a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state Fugue state]], a form of Dissociative Identity Disorder which involves a person losing all connection with their past identity. A person in a Fugue state can lose some or all aspects of their old self in the adoption of their new identity, often losing episodic memories, and the condition can last anywhere from a few days to forever.

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* The RealLife version of this is a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state Fugue state]], a form of Dissociative Identity Disorder which involves a person losing all connection with their past identity. A person in a Fugue state can lose some or all aspects of their old self in the adoption of their new identity, often losing episodic memories, and the condition can last anywhere from a few days to forever.

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Played straight ater [[spoiler: he goes mad.]]

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* Although he never utters the line in question, Archer from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight'' takes this trope to a whole new level. [[spoiler:He not only considers himself to have outgrown his past self to the degree that he's not the same person, he states that he doesn't have his past self's memories anymore, he wants to kill his past self to ensure said past self will never have to become him as well (and in the hope that it will cause a TemporalParadox and erase him from existence -- Archer also takes 'self-loathing' to a whole new level).]] So, "That man isn't dead... ''yet.''"
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* Wrestling/UltimateWarrior probably qualifies as an example of some sort, given that he seems to have become so profoundly LostInCharacter that he ''legally changed his name to "Warrior".'' Some say that it was just a particularly creative way of getting around the fact that WWE kept the trademark on his stage name when he left the company, but one of the main reasons his WWE career ended was that his... [[CloudCuckooLander eccentric]]... {{kayfabe}} persona and his philosophy of life outside the ring had started to blur together (making for an unusually literal example of BecomingTheMask), so it could go either way.
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Occasionally, mentioning the old life may be a BerserkButton. If a SplitPersonality is involved, then it's a SplitPersonalityTakeover. Very common when somebody is BecomingTheMask. If they ever purposefully mention their previous life, they will remark that NoDoubtTheYearsHaveChangedMe. Commonly, these characters UsedToBeASweetKid.

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May be said as part of the resolution to a character's IdentityBreakdown. Occasionally, mentioning the old life may be a BerserkButton. If a SplitPersonality is involved, then it's a SplitPersonalityTakeover. Very common when somebody is BecomingTheMask. If they ever purposefully mention their previous life, they will remark that NoDoubtTheYearsHaveChangedMe. Commonly, these characters UsedToBeASweetKid.
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Usually this is just speaking figuratively, but DeathOfPersonality, DemonicPossession and MoreThanMindControl can make it literal.
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Played straight ater [[spoiler: he goes mad.]]
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** Invoked a ''[[RuleOfThree third]]'' time by [[spoiler: Kingsley Tealeaf, the resultant personality after the Nein kill Lucien and try to resurrect Molly; while he has ''some'' of Molly's memories - enough, at least, to recognize the Nein are people he can trust - much like Lucien and Molly, Kingsley sees himself as a separate person, and thinks of Molly as his "brother."]]
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* Almost literally done on the ''LetsPlay/DreamSMP''. Ghostbur insists he's not Wilbur, and often speaks of his living self as if he's a whole separate person. [[spoiler:In fact, if Wilbur is to be believed, Ghostbur has an [[LiteralSplitPersonality entirely separate soul altogether]], as Wilbur apparently saw him [[DeathOfPersonality entering the Afterlife]] as Wilbur himself [[BackFromTheDead was leaving]]. One interpretation suggests that the original Wilbur's soul might have split into two fragments, the personification of the "vulnerabilities" that he severely repressed in his trauma to survive in the CrapsackWorld he lives in (e.g. trust and idealism), and the rest being the cultivation of his [[TraumaCongaLine less-than-stellar experiences]] on the SMP.]]

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* Almost literally done on the ''LetsPlay/DreamSMP''. Ghostbur insists he's not Wilbur, and often speaks of his living self as if he's a whole separate person. [[spoiler:In fact, if Wilbur is to be believed, Ghostbur has an [[LiteralSplitPersonality entirely separate soul altogether]], as Wilbur apparently saw him [[DeathOfPersonality entering the Afterlife]] as Wilbur himself [[BackFromTheDead was leaving]]. One interpretation suggests that the original Wilbur's soul might have split into two fragments, the personification of the "vulnerabilities" that he severely repressed in his trauma to survive in the CrapsackWorld he lives in (e.g. trust trust, idealism, and idealism), belief in peace and diplomacy to solve conflicts), and the rest being the cultivation of his [[TraumaCongaLine less-than-stellar experiences]] on the SMP.]]

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{{Stock Phrase|s}} uttered by someone who's been [[BecomingTheMask completely subsumed by their alter ego]]. The idea is that they have completely abandoned their past lives to the point where they wouldn't even recognize themselves. It's almost always a major turning point for the character, though there are a few cases where it merely emphasizes what the audience has already observed.

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A {{Stock Phrase|s}} uttered by someone who's been [[BecomingTheMask completely subsumed by their alter ego]]. The idea is that they have completely abandoned their past lives to the point where they wouldn't even recognize themselves. It's almost always a major turning point for the character, though there are a few cases where it merely emphasizes what the audience has already observed.






-->'''Molly''': Let me make this abundantly clear. My name is Molly. That person is dead and not me. It's just a person who had this body. They abandoned it, it's mine now.

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-->'''Molly''': -->'''Molly:''' Let me make this abundantly clear. My name is Molly. That person is dead and not me. It's just a person who had this body. They abandoned it, it's mine now.



--> [[spoiler: '''Lucien''']]: I am sorry, for whatever it's worth, that your friend is gone. [[IronicEcho Whatever part of me they were, is not of me anymore.]]

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--> [[spoiler: '''Lucien''']]: [[spoiler:'''Lucien:''']] I am sorry, for whatever it's worth, that your friend is gone. [[IronicEcho Whatever part of me they were, is not of me anymore.]]
* Almost literally done on the ''LetsPlay/DreamSMP''. Ghostbur insists he's not Wilbur, and often speaks of his living self as if he's a whole separate person. [[spoiler:In fact, if Wilbur is to be believed, Ghostbur has an [[LiteralSplitPersonality entirely separate soul altogether]], as Wilbur apparently saw him [[DeathOfPersonality entering the Afterlife]] as Wilbur himself [[BackFromTheDead was leaving]]. One interpretation suggests that the original Wilbur's soul might have split into two fragments, the personification of the "vulnerabilities" that he severely repressed in his trauma to survive in the CrapsackWorld he lives in (e.g. trust and idealism), and the rest being the cultivation of his [[TraumaCongaLine less-than-stellar experiences]] on the SMP.
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* From "Halliburton Boardroom Massacre" by Music/DavidRovics:
-->''I was supposed to stay a year\\
They sent me for four\\
By the time I got back home, no one knew me anymore\\
Of the man I once was there didn't seem to be a trace\\
And when I looked me in the mirror I didn't recognize my face''
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* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'' has Agent Maine getting slowly corrupted by his AI Sigma until he finally snaps and loses his human identity.

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* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'' has Agent Maine getting slowly corrupted by his AI Sigma until he finally snaps and loses his human identity. Even after Sigma and the other AI fragments were killed by an EMP, Maine continues to carry out Sigma's will.



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[[folder: Mythology and Religeon]]Religion]]
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* ThatManIsDead/{{Fanfiction}}

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* ThatManIsDead/{{Fanfiction}}ThatManIsDead/FanWorks
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* It's not uncommon for some UsefulNotes/{{Transgender}} people to refer to the names they were given at birth as their "dead names", given that they represent a lie they were forced to live and [[MaliciousMisnaming continuing to use their dead name]] implies that their fake self is preferable to their true gender, which is a supreme insult.

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* It's not uncommon common for some UsefulNotes/{{Transgender}} people to refer to the names they were given at birth as their "dead names", given that they represent a lie they were forced to live and [[MaliciousMisnaming continuing to use their dead name]] implies that their fake self is preferable to their true gender, which is a supreme insult.
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'''ComicBook/TheJoker:''' Jack? Jack is dead, my friend. But you can call me... Joker. And as you can see, I'm a lot happier.

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'''ComicBook/TheJoker:''' Jack? Jack is dead, my friend. But you You can call me... Joker. And as you can see, I'm a lot happier.
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* A possible plot complication in ''TabletopGame/PrometheanTheCreated'' is one of the titular beings encountering someone who knew their body's previous owner. All Prometheans are created from corpses (barring some ''very'' strange corner cases), but the person who used to be in the body/bodies is gone - the Promethean is a completely new individual. Now, explaining that to the confused friend/relative/enemy, while ''also'' dealing with [[HatePlague Disquiet]]...

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* Played with in ''WebVideo/CriticalRole''. [[Creator/TravisWillingham Grog]] takes the pseudonym "Phillip" for a pit fight, which he promptly loses. When he comes back for a rematch, he says "Philip is dead! There is only [[LargeHam GROG THE VENGEFUL]]!"

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Played with in ''WebVideo/CriticalRole''. Campaign 1 by [[Creator/TravisWillingham Grog]] takes the pseudonym "Phillip" for a pit fight, which he promptly loses. When he comes back for a rematch, he says "Philip is dead! There is only [[LargeHam GROG THE VENGEFUL]]!"


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** Invoked a second time by [[spoiler: Lucien when the Mighty Nein catch up with him in Eiselcross.]]. He remembers nothing about his time as [[spoiler: Mollymauk Tealeaf]] and, much like [[spoiler: his previous life]], he feels no connection to who he was before [[spoiler: he was revived]].
--> [[spoiler: '''Lucien''']]: I am sorry, for whatever it's worth, that your friend is gone. [[IronicEcho Whatever part of me they were, is not of me anymore.]]
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* Rin's route in VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo has [[PlayerCharacter Hisao]] doing this on the school rooftop after spending weeks resenting his condition:
** ''After Rin leaves I finally let [[ManlyTears tears roll down my cheeks and cry for my condition for the first and only time in my life]]. Then I cast away that hollow person lying on the hospital bed, forever.''

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* Rin's route in VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo ''VisualNovel/KatawaShoujo'' has [[PlayerCharacter Hisao]] doing this on the school rooftop after spending weeks resenting his condition:
** ''After -->'''Hisao''': After Rin leaves I finally let [[ManlyTears tears roll down my cheeks and cry for my condition for the first and only time in my life]]. Then I cast away that hollow person lying on the hospital bed, forever.''
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* ''Music/LadyGaga'': Stefanie Joanne Angelina Germinota suffered several tribulations in her childhood, including being bullied for her nose and getting molested. After her music career took off, she used her stage name of Lady Gaga as the common way she would like to be addressed to distance from her childhood, with even her family calling her by her stage name out of respect for her wishes. She has actually stated in interviews that Stefanie Germinota is dead, invoking this trope.
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* When Music/JoyDivision first formed, the members made a pact that should any one of their members be removed from the lineup for any reason, the band would change its name should it continue. Surely enough, lead singer Ian Curtis was DrivenToSuicide in 1980, at which point the surviving members of Joy Division renamed the group Music/NewOrder. For many years, they even refused to play and Joy Division songs in concert, though they were later added to setlists once they'd felt they'd established a distinct musical identity for New Order. Though Joy Division and New Order are for all intents and purposes the same band, the remaining members treat Joy Division as a separate, discontinued entity on account of both the pact and Curtis' death.

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* When Music/JoyDivision first formed, the members made a pact that should any one of their members be removed from the lineup for any reason, the band would change its name should it continue. Surely enough, lead singer Ian Curtis was DrivenToSuicide in 1980, at which point the surviving members of Joy Division renamed the group Music/NewOrder. For many years, they even refused to play and any Joy Division songs in concert, though they were later added to setlists once they'd felt they'd established a distinct musical identity for New Order. Though Joy Division and New Order are for all intents and purposes the same band, the remaining members treat Joy Division as a separate, discontinued entity on account of both the pact and Curtis' death.
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* No one has done this quite as uniquely as Wrestling/BrayWyatt. After several years as a [[Film/CapeFear Max Cady]] {{Expy}}, Wyatt finally dropped the gimmick come 2019, remerging as the nightmarish Fiend. And just to drive the point home that his old character was dead, he arrived in his first match with a lantern [[https://gmsrp.cachefly.net/images/19/08/14/a6a8a2b9ffdc7cf062974ce165bc46d0/960.jpg resembling his severed head.]]
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** Invoked by Mollymauk Tealeaf in campaign 2. When the party discovers information on his past, he makes it perfectly clear that he doesn't consider himself the same person as he was before he [[BackFromTheDead dug his way out of his own grave]]. Possibly subverted in that it's unclear whether he's a [[BodySnatcher genuinely different person than before]], or if he just [[AmnesiacHero can't remember anything about his past]].
-->'''Molly''': Let me make this abundantly clear. My name is Molly. That person is dead and not me. It's just a person who had this body. They abandoned it, it's mine now.
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* In Creator/TennesseeWilliams' ''Summer and Smoke'', when the transformed Alma throws herself at John, she tells him that, "The girl who said 'no' [to his advances], she doesn't exist any more -- she died last summer, suffocated in smoke from something on fire inside her." Unfortunately, it's too late for her, as John has gotten engaged to another woman.
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->'''[[TheDon Carl Grissom]]:''' Jack, listen! Maybe we can cut a deal!\\

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->'''[[TheDon Carl Grissom]]:''' ->'''Carl Grissom:''' Jack, listen! Maybe we can cut a deal!\\
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* "Frank's not here... he never was." if the person everyone thought they knew was a mask.

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* "Frank's not here... he never was." if (if the person everyone thought they knew was a mask.)
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* This is basically how being "Born Again" works in Christianity. God "executes" one's old nature (known as "The Flesh," because it's all the basic, temporal instincts that lead one to sin), allowing the supplicant to become a new person in-tune with His will. Baptism is a symbolic Death by Drowning sentence for the [[{{Greed}} selfish]], [[TheBully cruel]], [[{{Lust}} liscentious]] "old you." Of course, it doesn't (usually) involve taking on a new name.

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* This is basically how being "Born Again" works in Christianity. God "executes" one's old nature (known as "The Flesh," because it's all the basic, temporal instincts that lead one to sin), allowing the supplicant to become a new person in-tune with His will. Baptism is a symbolic Death by Drowning sentence for the [[{{Greed}} selfish]], [[TheBully cruel]], [[{{Lust}} liscentious]] licentious]] "old you." Of course, it doesn't (usually) involve taking on a new name.
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* When Music/JoyDivision first formed, the members made a pact that should any one of their members be removed from the lineup for any reason, the band would change its name should it continue. Surely enough, lead singer Ian Curtis was DrivenToSuicide in 1980, at which point the surviving members of Joy Division renamed the group Music/NewOrder. Though Joy Division and New Order are for all intents and purposes the same band, the remaining members treat Joy Division as a separate, discontinued entity on account of both the pact and Curtis' death.

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* When Music/JoyDivision first formed, the members made a pact that should any one of their members be removed from the lineup for any reason, the band would change its name should it continue. Surely enough, lead singer Ian Curtis was DrivenToSuicide in 1980, at which point the surviving members of Joy Division renamed the group Music/NewOrder. For many years, they even refused to play and Joy Division songs in concert, though they were later added to setlists once they'd felt they'd established a distinct musical identity for New Order. Though Joy Division and New Order are for all intents and purposes the same band, the remaining members treat Joy Division as a separate, discontinued entity on account of both the pact and Curtis' death.
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* In his later years after leaving Music/PinkFloyd, Music/SydBarrett refused to answer to "Syd," preferring his birth name, Roger.
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** As in the movies, Vader says as much about Anakin Skywalker. [[spoiler:And this time, it's literally true.]]

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