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10th Jul '17 12:52:35 PM ReaderAt2046
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* Hallendren in ''Literature/{{Warbreaker}}'' is a {{Downplayed}} example. While Hallendren could ''survive'' without the Tears of Edgli, the cheap dyes that can be manufactured from the flowers are the foundation of Hallendren's economic prosperity.
16th Jun '17 8:05:59 AM SorPepita
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** Forge Worlds, as the name suggests, are EternalEngines scaled up to the size of a planet, churning out the vast quantities of vehicles, weapons and equipment needed by the Imperium, with little to no space for growing food. [[CiaphasCain The Greater Good]] has one whose location allows it to forgo self-reliance in favor of more production: Guard regiments are alays stopping there to resupply and take care of defense, while food is imported, rationed, and not stored for maximum efficiency, resulting in riots when the approaching Tyranids scare off the deliveries.

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** Forge Worlds, as the name suggests, are EternalEngines [[EternalEngine Eternal Engines]] scaled up to the size of a planet, churning out the vast quantities of vehicles, weapons and equipment needed by the Imperium, with little to no space for growing food. [[CiaphasCain The Greater Good]] has one whose location allows it to forgo self-reliance in favor of more production: Guard regiments are alays stopping there to resupply and take care of defense, while food is imported, rationed, and not stored for maximum efficiency, resulting in riots when the approaching Tyranids scare off the deliveries.
9th Jun '17 8:21:26 AM Kalaong
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** A RealLife example of that happened in Ireland in the 19th century. With deaths from starvation and emigration, Ireland declined so much in population, that it still hasn't reached pre-famine population levels. Oh and among the people who emigrated due to the famine were the ancestors of one [[UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy John Fitzgerald Kennedy]]. Not quite a straight example, as the potato dependence was forced by outsiders even as the island was exporting tons of foods of all types; it's often considered an [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide engineered famine]].

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** A The [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland) Great Famine]] was a RealLife example of that happened in Ireland in the 19th century.example. With deaths from starvation and emigration, Ireland declined so much in population, that it still hasn't reached pre-famine population levels. Oh and among the people who emigrated due to the famine were the ancestors of one [[UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy John Fitzgerald Kennedy]]. Not quite a straight example, as the potato dependence was forced by outsiders even as the island was exporting tons of foods of all types; it's often considered an [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide engineered famine]].
4th Jun '17 3:13:10 PM Kalaong
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* Creator/LarryNiven all but codified the Terminally Dependent Society with his "State" series.

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* Creator/LarryNiven all but codified the Terminally Dependent Society throughout his work;
** In ''Fallen Angels'', an eco-socialist regime has come to power, and banned everything save "appropriate" technology. The catch is that no matter how many windmills and solar panels they build, it's nowhere near as efficient as good-old-fashioned coal and petroleum, leaving millions of people without political pull to freeze in the ice age brought on by the lack of particulate matter in the atmosphere.
** In ''Destiny's Road'', the planet Destiny's ecosystem is completely devoid of potassium, without which humans suffer brain damage and die. A ruling caste of "merchants" travel the titular Road trading potassium supplements for... pretty much everything they desire.
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with his "State" series.''The Legacy of Heorot'' and ''Beowulf's Children'', and '''the entire Solar System''' is ruled thus; Electricity? Concentrated vitamins? Construction materials? Interplanetary transport? All state monopolies.
** ''A World Out Of Time'', ''The Integral Trees'' and ''The Smoke Ring'' actually '''call''' their ruling body the State. It's a DiscussedTrope in ''[[Quotes/TerminallyDependentSociety A World Out Of Time]]''.
4th Jun '17 1:54:14 PM nombretomado
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* This is arguably the state of ''any'' civilization advanced enough for people to specialize, so that some are able to produce a surplus of food while others are able to spend their time on TVTropes rather than farming. From feudal aristocrats to Nobel scholars, a lot of people would starve to death if they couldn't get their food from someone else.

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* This is arguably the state of ''any'' civilization advanced enough for people to specialize, so that some are able to produce a surplus of food while others are able to spend their time on TVTropes Wiki/TVTropes rather than farming. From feudal aristocrats to Nobel scholars, a lot of people would starve to death if they couldn't get their food from someone else.
25th May '17 6:10:23 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** A RealLife example of that happened in Ireland in the 19th century. With deaths from starvation and emigration, Ireland declined so much in population, that it still hasn't reached pre-famine population levels. Oh and among the people who emigrated due to the famine were the ancestors of one [[UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy John Fitzgerald Kennedy]].

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** A RealLife example of that happened in Ireland in the 19th century. With deaths from starvation and emigration, Ireland declined so much in population, that it still hasn't reached pre-famine population levels. Oh and among the people who emigrated due to the famine were the ancestors of one [[UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy John Fitzgerald Kennedy]]. Not quite a straight example, as the potato dependence was forced by outsiders even as the island was exporting tons of foods of all types; it's often considered an [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide engineered famine]].
25th May '17 6:03:19 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** [[spoiler:This is the reason for the InferredHolocaust of ''Mass Effect 3''[='s=] original ending - regardless of what choice you made, the mass relays are destroyed, leaving a massive fleet of aliens with a variety of dietary needs stranded over a ruined Earth, and presumably leading to the collapse of interstellar civilization.]]

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** [[spoiler:This is the reason for the InferredHolocaust of ''Mass Effect 3''[='s=] original ending - regardless of what choice you made, the mass relays are destroyed, leaving a massive fleet of aliens with a variety of dietary needs stranded over a ruined Earth, and presumably leading to the collapse of interstellar civilization. The revised ending left them damaged, but easily repairable.]]
20th May '17 1:29:31 PM nombretomado
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* The city of Lea Monde from ''VagrantStory'' was designed as a city-sized spell. The game takes place long after the city has already collapsed on itself.

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* The city of Lea Monde from ''VagrantStory'' ''VideoGame/VagrantStory'' was designed as a city-sized spell. The game takes place long after the city has already collapsed on itself.
17th May '17 5:28:44 AM Koveras
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* The ''Trespasser'' DLC for ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' reveals that the ancient elves were so dependent on magic that [[spoiler:when Fen'Harel created the Veil, cutting off the Fade (the primary source of magic) from the material world]], their civilization collapsed within decades, if not years.

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* The ''Trespasser'' DLC for ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'' reveals that the ancient elves were so dependent on magic that [[spoiler:when Fen'Harel created the Veil, cutting off the Fade (the primary source of magic) from the material world]], their civilization collapsed within decades, if not years.
17th May '17 5:28:26 AM Koveras
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* The ''Trespasser'' DLC for ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'' reveals that the ancient elves were so dependent on magic that [[spoiler:when Fen'Harel created the Veil, cutting off the Fade (the primary source of magic) from the material world]], their civilization collapsed within decades, if not years.
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