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15th Aug '17 1:44:21 AM LondonKdS
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An [[ExaggeratedTrope exaggerated]] form of ForTheEvulz, where a character feels the need to do evil things even at times such actions are clearly not in their best interests, sometimes to the point where it goes against basic self-preservation. Such characters will [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betray allies]], [[TeamKiller kill team-mates]], [[ThrewMyBikeOnTheRoof threaten or harm people who were previously willing to give them what they wanted]], [[EvilIsPetty be petty]], [[BullyingADragon piss off]] [[AwakeningTheSleepingGiant all the wrong people]], [[EvilVersusEvil attack fellow villains]] [[EvilerThanThou to prove they're eviler]], [[BadBoss treat underlings like pig shit]], [[TheBully throw their weight around at every opportunity]], [[{{Sadist}} engage in utterly pointless acts of cruelty]], [[TheFarmerAndTheViper reward kindness with cruelty]], [[LeeroyJenkins spurn plans and start fights that they absolutely should not have started]], [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat rub salt in the wound even when it would destroy an already-present advantage]], and generally be [[TooDumbToLive suicidally stupid]] simply [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat because it's eeeevil]].

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An [[ExaggeratedTrope exaggerated]] form of ForTheEvulz, where a character feels the need to do evil things even at times such actions are clearly not in their best interests, sometimes to the point where it goes against basic self-preservation. Such characters will [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder betray allies]], [[TeamKiller kill team-mates]], [[ThrewMyBikeOnTheRoof threaten or harm people who were previously willing to give them what they wanted]], [[EvilIsPetty be petty]], [[BullyingADragon piss off]] [[AwakeningTheSleepingGiant all the wrong people]], [[EvilVersusEvil attack fellow villains]] [[EvilerThanThou to prove they're eviler]], [[TheStarscream sabotage their leaders]], [[BadBoss treat underlings like pig shit]], [[TheBully throw their weight around at every opportunity]], [[{{Sadist}} engage in utterly pointless acts of cruelty]], [[TheFarmerAndTheViper reward kindness with cruelty]], [[LeeroyJenkins spurn plans and start fights that they absolutely should not have started]], [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat rub salt in the wound even when it would destroy an already-present advantage]], and generally be [[TooDumbToLive suicidally stupid]] simply [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat because it's eeeevil]].
12th Aug '17 1:57:59 AM infernape612
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* While Megatron in ''VideoGame/TransformersWarForCybertron'' Has some evil moments that would easily lead one to question his leadership quality, [[TheStarscream Starscream]] in [[VideoGame/TransformersFallOfCybertron the sequel]] puts him to shame when he actually manages to briefly lead the Decepticons. After Starscream blunders an assault on a huge Autobot energon transport, he orders the mission called off even though the [[BadassCrew Combaticons]] are still in the fight and making progress, and succeed in bringing down the transport. Starscream berates them for destroying half the energon from crashing, and when they point out that the Autobots would have gotten all of it if they did nothing and point out Starscream's incompetence, he has them arrested for talking back to him.

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* While Megatron in ''VideoGame/TransformersWarForCybertron'' Has has some evil moments that would easily lead one to question his leadership quality, [[TheStarscream Starscream]] in [[VideoGame/TransformersFallOfCybertron the sequel]] puts him to shame when he actually manages to briefly lead the Decepticons. After Starscream blunders an assault on a huge Autobot energon transport, he orders the mission called off even though the [[BadassCrew Combaticons]] are still in the fight and making progress, and succeed in bringing down the transport. Starscream berates them for destroying half the energon from crashing, and when they point out that the Autobots would have gotten all of it if they did nothing and point out Starscream's incompetence, he has them arrested for talking back to him.
11th Aug '17 11:37:25 AM TheNerfGuy
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* Anubis from ''Anime/YuGiOhTheMoviePyramidOfLight''. How else would you describe someone whose plan involved manipulating Kaiba to get to Yugi, which, in effect, opposes both of them simultaneously?
* Paradox from ''Anime/YuGiOhBondsBeyondTime'' is even worse. [[DreamTeam Yugi, Judai, and Yusei]] are well known [[BoringInvincibleHero for nearly flawless records]], and for some mad reason, this guy decides to face all three. Simultaneously.



* In ComicBook/CaptainAmerica's new title [[MilestoneCelebration (released for his 75th birthday)]], [[spoiler:the Red Skull befriends a little girl [[PhysicalGod who is actually]] [[RealityWarper an evolved Cosmic Cube]] (the one he used to own when she was just a cube). The guy now effectively has the ability to alter reality any way he wants. But rather than change history so that, say, the Nazis won World War II or something like that, he chooses to alter history so that Cap was his disciple, making Cap [[TheMole a sleeper agent]] and a loyal member of HYDRA. Seriously, he's ''that'' obsessed with revenge that he delays his chance to rule the world. (He also doesn't seem to realize that whatever the Cube does, she can just as easily undo, which she does when she discovers he's lying.)]]
4th Aug '17 11:57:02 AM Tacitus
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* ''VideoGame/Fallout4'' has the Institute, a faction of reclusive pre-War scientists who are convinced that their advanced technology is the only hope for humanity's survival. Unfortunately the only thing they actually do with it is make things worth for the Commonwealth, like doing FEV experiments ForScience and dumping the resulting Super Mutants into the wasteland instead of just eliminating them, all while one of their best scientists keeps protesting that they're learning nothing new and the experiments serve no purpose. The Institute has also come up with [[ArtificialHuman Synths]] indistinguishable from humans, and uses them to infiltrate potential rivals or seize/destroy any technology that could allow someone to compete with them... which has left the Commonwealth in the grip of paranoia as people kill each other over suspicions of being Synth imposters, and at least one settlement massacred by an army of Synths as part of a fruitless search for an old university research project. Even an attempt to bio-engineer a better crop is set to end with a Synth infiltrator wiping out a farmer's family just to cover the Institute's tracks. But the Institute could be said to be a justified example of this trope - they're a bunch of biologists, physicists and engineers with no background or interest in politics or public relations, very good at building robots, not so much at building a stable society.

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* ''VideoGame/Fallout4'' has the Institute, a faction of reclusive pre-War scientists who are convinced that their advanced technology is the only hope for humanity's survival. Unfortunately the only thing they actually do with it is make things worth worse for the Commonwealth, like doing FEV experiments ForScience abducting wastelanders, dunking them in FEV, and dumping releasing the resulting Super Mutants into the wasteland instead of just eliminating them, all while one of their best scientists keeps protesting that they're learning nothing new and the experiments serve no purpose. The Institute has also come up with [[ArtificialHuman Synths]] indistinguishable from humans, and uses them to infiltrate potential rivals or seize/destroy any technology that could allow someone to compete with them... which has left the Commonwealth in the grip of paranoia as people kill each other over suspicions of being Synth imposters, and at least one settlement massacred by an army of Synths as part of a fruitless search for an old university research project. Even an attempt to bio-engineer a better crop is set to end with a Synth infiltrator wiping out a farmer's family just to cover the Institute's tracks. But the Institute could be said to be a justified example of this trope - they're a bunch of biologists, physicists and engineers with no background or interest in politics or public relations, very good at building robots, not so much at building a stable society.
2nd Aug '17 9:24:10 PM Tacitus
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** New Vegas also featured Fallout 3's weird bits of random karma for killing certain [=NPCs=]. In particular before being patched, killing randomly encountered (fixed location, but they respawn) Fiends would give you something ridiculous like +100 Karma per kill. If you've spent the entire game as the sickest bastard in the Mojave, your first trip down the west side of outer New Vegas can turn you into a saint in as little as two shootouts.

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** New Vegas also featured Fallout 3's ''Fallout 3''[='s=] weird bits of random karma for killing certain [=NPCs=]. In particular before being patched, killing randomly encountered (fixed location, but they respawn) Fiends would give you something ridiculous like +100 Karma per kill. If you've spent the entire game as the sickest bastard in the Mojave, your first trip down the west side of outer New Vegas can turn you into a saint in as little as two shootouts.shootouts.
* ''VideoGame/Fallout4'' has the Institute, a faction of reclusive pre-War scientists who are convinced that their advanced technology is the only hope for humanity's survival. Unfortunately the only thing they actually do with it is make things worth for the Commonwealth, like doing FEV experiments ForScience and dumping the resulting Super Mutants into the wasteland instead of just eliminating them, all while one of their best scientists keeps protesting that they're learning nothing new and the experiments serve no purpose. The Institute has also come up with [[ArtificialHuman Synths]] indistinguishable from humans, and uses them to infiltrate potential rivals or seize/destroy any technology that could allow someone to compete with them... which has left the Commonwealth in the grip of paranoia as people kill each other over suspicions of being Synth imposters, and at least one settlement massacred by an army of Synths as part of a fruitless search for an old university research project. Even an attempt to bio-engineer a better crop is set to end with a Synth infiltrator wiping out a farmer's family just to cover the Institute's tracks. But the Institute could be said to be a justified example of this trope - they're a bunch of biologists, physicists and engineers with no background or interest in politics or public relations, very good at building robots, not so much at building a stable society.
2nd Aug '17 5:10:46 PM gb00393
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** It must be genetic, because Cersei (and Jaime, to a slightly lesser extent) tend to default to killing people and pissing people off even when it blatantly conflicts with their interests. Both suffer from no one particularly liking them, and neither seems to understand the true reasons why.

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** It must be genetic, because Cersei (and Jaime, to a slightly lesser extent) tend to default to killing people and pissing people off even when it blatantly conflicts with their interests. interests, something which Tywin and Tyrion separately note about Cersei. Both Cersei and Jaime suffer from no one particularly liking them, and neither seems to understand the true reasons why.why. It gets to the point where Tywin is quick to empower his much disparaged son Tyrion to mitigate Cersei's calamities.
*** She cares nothing about public sentiment and doesn't realize that throwing people out of her city will draw their ire and how the ire of the mob is dangerous for kings and queens.
---> '''Tyrion:''' Listen to me, 'queen regent'. You're in danger of losing the people.
---> '''Cersei:''' The people? Heh. You think I care?
---> '''Tyrion:''' You may find it difficult to rule over millions who want you dead.
*** Her understanding on the actual military threats posed by Stannis Baratheon and Robb Stark is likewise tenuous at best, to the point that Tyrion's victory at Blackwater is almost in spite of her efforts, rather than because of it (her only contribution is getting the wildfire made, a plan Tyrion co-opted because she likely would have burned King's Landing to the ground by accident). Of course, a lot of these may be due to her rapidly becoming a not very functioning addict.
*** Once the sensible influences or restraints of Tyrion and Tywin are gone, Cersei goes one step further and engages in one petty, short-sighted scheme after another, culminating in her empowering the Faith Militant as a petty revenge scheme against the Tyrells with zero regards for the potential blowback. She's called out on this one multiple times.
28th Jul '17 10:48:06 PM HotelCalifornia
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* Beelzebub from ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' embodies this trope to a tee and [[KickTheDog kicks dogs]] as a profession, although the [[PragmaticVillainy vast]] [[LawfulEvil majority]] of his fellow Demons don't. One the other side, Allysion, also embodies this trope and orders her Angels to kill the heroes and destroy that galaxy, even though several of her own servants, like Jesus, point out just how counterproductive it is.
** Tsali is another example; in Episode 73, he's so intent on making sure Sonic and friends suffer that he constantly gets distracted from pursuing Tails and Cosmo. Although, to be fair, [[AxCrazy he's pretty much lost it by this point]].
** The entire Emirate of Mecca -- pretty much ISIS {{in space}} -- is an entire faction built around this trope [[spoiler:(although the truth is a bit more complicated)]]. In Episode 68, Sonya wonders out loud [[FridgeLogic how the Muslims ever managed to form an intergalactic superpower and get converts]] due to their [[ForTheEvulz pointlessly brutal sadism]] and tyrannical religious laws. Fang jokingly replies that [[BlackComedy forcing little girls to give birth doesn't typically produce healthy offspring]].
28th Jul '17 8:00:51 PM Luigifan
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** And then it turns out in ''Film/ResidentEvilTheFinalChapter'' that, not unlike the original game series, [[spoiler:they produced the T-Virus and funded all of the crazy stuff that had appeared throughout the series (genocidal Artificial Intelligences, a virus with he capacity to destroy the world, cloning technology, cryogenics) in an attempt to take out mankind and have it be reborn for the corporation's executives to lord over [[AGodAmI as "gods"]].]] It says a lot that Umbrella's CEO [[spoiler:(who was the woman that Alice was cloned from)]] was not OK with the plan at all, [[spoiler:so they froze her unwillingly so they would have free reign to execute it]], and she accepted Alice's RoaringRampageOfRevenge as justice [[spoiler:even if it meant getting killed herself]].

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** And then it turns out in ''Film/ResidentEvilTheFinalChapter'' that, not unlike the original game series, [[spoiler:they produced the T-Virus and funded all of the crazy stuff that had appeared throughout the series (genocidal Artificial Intelligences, a virus with he capacity to destroy the world, cloning technology, cryogenics) in an attempt to take out mankind and have it be reborn for the corporation's executives to lord over [[AGodAmI as "gods"]].]] "gods"]]]]. It says a lot that Umbrella's CEO [[spoiler:(who was the woman that Alice was cloned from)]] was not OK with the plan at all, [[spoiler:so they froze her unwillingly so they would have free reign to execute it]], and she accepted Alice's RoaringRampageOfRevenge as justice [[spoiler:even if it meant getting killed herself]].



** Of course, he does have ''some'' justification. When the titular genie grants a wish to anyone ''other'' than the one who frees him, he gets to own that person's soul which boosts his magical power exponentially. Gaining enough souls, he probably can either break his fellow genies out of their hell-dimension, personally, or ''compel'' the one who freed him to ask three wishes, a tactic he has tried several times with varying levels of success.

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** Of course, he does have ''some'' justification. When the titular genie grants a wish to anyone ''other'' than the one who frees him, [[YourSoulIsMine he gets to own that person's soul soul]], which boosts his magical power exponentially. Gaining After gaining enough souls, he probably can either personally break his fellow genies out of their hell-dimension, personally, or ''compel'' the one who freed him to ask for three wishes, a tactic he has tried several times with varying levels of success.



* The made-for-TV ''Film/DungeonsAndDragonsTheBookOfVileDarkness'' has the evil adventuring party acting like this. At one point they slay a dragon and the undercover paladin just barely convinces them not to raze the nearby village so they can treat them like heroes instead, and the evil adventurers still murder some of the villagers offering them hospitality for no discernable reason.
* Roderick from ''Film/JackTheGiantSlayer'' does a lot of actions just to show what an evil JerkAss he is; he has his sidekick send four soldiers to their death which in-turn leaves the group with barely any rations. And then he goes out of his way to throw another one off a cliff for literally no reason despite knowing he's in a hostile territory and could use the protection until he seized control. It's a bit of a relief when he [[spoiler:pans out to just be a BigBadWannabe and Fallon reclaims his position]].

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* The made-for-TV ''Film/DungeonsAndDragonsTheBookOfVileDarkness'' has the evil adventuring party acting like this. At one point point, they slay a dragon and the undercover paladin just barely convinces them not to raze the nearby village so they can treat them like heroes instead, and the evil adventurers still murder some of the villagers offering them hospitality for no discernable reason.
* Roderick from ''Film/JackTheGiantSlayer'' does a lot of actions just to show what an evil JerkAss he is; he has his sidekick send four soldiers to their death death, which in-turn in turn leaves the group with barely any rations. And then he goes out of his way to throw another one off a cliff for literally no reason reason, despite knowing he's in a hostile territory and could use the protection until he seized control. It's a bit of a relief when he [[spoiler:pans out to just be a BigBadWannabe and Fallon reclaims his position]].



* ''Film/{{Paparazzi}}'': The titular paparazzi are pretty much all cackling, over-the-top supervillains, but one in particular stands out. After the quartet of paparazzi that serve as the film's villains cause a car wreck that cripples the celebrity protagonist's wife and puts his son in a coma, and then proceeds to hound the two for more photographs, the protagonist gets in a motorcycle accident with one of them that leaves him hanging off of a cliff overlooking a fatal drop onto a rocky shore. Despite all the crap they pulled, the protagonist is still willing to pull him up...[[TooDumbToLive until he starts bragging about how he's going to ruin his life even more with this accident.]] [[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident Three guesses as to what happens next.]]

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* ''Film/{{Paparazzi}}'': The titular paparazzi are pretty much all cackling, over-the-top supervillains, but one in particular stands out. After the quartet of paparazzi that serve as the film's villains cause a car wreck that cripples the celebrity protagonist's wife and puts his son in a coma, and then proceeds to hound the two for more photographs, the protagonist gets in a motorcycle accident with one of them that leaves him hanging off of a cliff overlooking a fatal drop onto a rocky shore. Despite all the crap they pulled, the protagonist is still willing to pull him up... [[TooDumbToLive until he starts bragging about how he's going to ruin his life even more with this accident.]] [[MakeItLookLikeAnAccident Three guesses as to what happens next.]]



* In ''Franchise/StarWars'', the Dark Side -- and the Sith philosophy in particular -- are prone to this. The Sith encourage selfishness and not controlling your emotions, which meant that pretty much all Sith were too impulsive to get anything really done. Any time they actually tried to get a complete order together they were done in by the ChronicBackstabbingDisorder that pretty much all Sith had, necessitating the RuleOfTwo just to keep the order alive. Making things worse, any Sith steeped enough in the Dark Side to become truly powerful tends to [[EvilCannotComprehendGood become blind to the Light Side]], which tripped Darth Sidious up when he couldn't sense Luke at a critical moment and didn't notice that his apprentice Darth Vader still had some good in him.
* In ''Film/JohnnyMnemonic'' an evil pharmaceutical company that doesn't want anyone (even themselves and their own families) to have a cure for a deadly disease that has infected half of the entire world went through all the trouble to spend their resources on creating a working cure just for the sake of having to suppress it. If they didn't want the world to have a cure or risk it slipping into the public's hands, they didn't need to invent it in the first place.

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* In ''Franchise/StarWars'', the Dark Side -- and the Sith philosophy in particular -- are prone to this. The Sith encourage selfishness and not controlling your emotions, which meant that pretty much all Sith were too impulsive to get anything really done. Any time they actually tried to get a complete order together together, they were done in by the ChronicBackstabbingDisorder that pretty much all Sith had, necessitating the RuleOfTwo just to keep the order alive. Making things worse, any Sith steeped enough in the Dark Side to become truly powerful tends to [[EvilCannotComprehendGood become blind to the Light Side]], which tripped Darth Sidious up when he couldn't sense Luke at a critical moment and didn't notice that his apprentice Darth Vader still had some good in him.
* In ''Film/JohnnyMnemonic'' ''Film/JohnnyMnemonic'', an evil pharmaceutical company that doesn't want anyone (even themselves and their own families) to have a cure for a deadly disease that has infected half of the entire world went through all the trouble to spend their resources on creating a working cure just for the sake of having to suppress it. If they didn't want the world to have a cure or risk it slipping into the public's hands, they didn't need to invent it in the first place.



** And all the less important Darkfriends (anyone who pledges himself to serve the UltimateEvil) are even stupider. They spend slightly less time committing evil than their Forsaken masters, but only because they're too busy dying like flies. If they're not being ordered off into suicide missions or being executed for failing other impossible tasks, they're being stabbed in the back by their rivals or casually tortured and killed just for being in the wrong place when somebody important has a temper tantrum. And to add to the Stupid Evil of it, they all earnestly believe that they'll get the immortality and infinite power they were promised even though the UltimateEvil hasn't given that to anyone in over three thousand years.

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** And all the less important Darkfriends (anyone who pledges himself to serve the UltimateEvil) are even stupider. They spend slightly less time committing evil than their Forsaken masters, but only because they're too busy dying like flies. If they're not being ordered off into suicide missions or [[YouHaveFailedMe being executed for failing other impossible tasks, tasks]], they're being stabbed in the back by their rivals or casually tortured and killed just for being in the wrong place when somebody important has a temper tantrum. And to add to the Stupid Evil of it, they all earnestly believe that they'll get the immortality and infinite power they were promised even though the UltimateEvil hasn't given that to anyone in over three thousand years.



** Played interestingly with the Dark One itself. It isn't really a person so much as the ''idea'' of evil, and as such has next to no capacity to learn from its mistakes or change its behavior. WordOfGod from Brandon Sanderson (who took over the series after Jordan's death) indicates that the Dark One barely even has a personality, being more an aspect of the universe than anything. Because of this, for all its cunning it's essentially [[EvilCannotComprehendGood blind to all that is not itself]], and tends to seek out those humans who most resemble it to serve it -- hence the rogues gallery of spectacularly unstable people mentioned above.
** Elaida, the Amyrlin Seat [[spoiler:after she betrays and stills Siuan,]] is an incompetent KnightTemplar who sees herself as the ultimate good in the world, but is too much of a spoiled brat to actually act like it. She has a hilariously bad track record of [[ProphecyTwist misinterpreting]] [[ExactWords her own prophecies,]] is absolutely ineffective as a ruler, and [[spoiler:through her stupidity, allows the ''entire White Tower'' to become infested with Darkfriends.]] Egwene sums it up:

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** Played interestingly with the Dark One itself. It isn't really a person so much as the ''idea'' of evil, and as such has next to no capacity to learn from its mistakes or change its behavior. WordOfGod from Brandon Sanderson (who took over the series after Jordan's death) indicates that the Dark One barely even has a personality, being more an aspect of the universe than anything. Because of this, for all its cunning cunning, it's essentially [[EvilCannotComprehendGood blind to all that is not itself]], and tends to seek out those humans who most resemble it to serve it -- hence the rogues gallery {{rogues gallery}} of spectacularly unstable people mentioned above.
** Elaida, the Amyrlin Seat [[spoiler:after she betrays and stills Siuan,]] Siuan]], is an incompetent KnightTemplar who sees herself as the ultimate good in the world, but is too much of a spoiled brat to actually act like it. She has a hilariously bad track record of [[ProphecyTwist misinterpreting]] [[ExactWords her own prophecies,]] is absolutely ineffective as a ruler, and [[spoiler:through her stupidity, allows the ''entire White Tower'' to become infested with Darkfriends.]] Darkfriends]]. Egwene sums it up:



** Joffrey Baratheon. [[PrinceCharmless Crown Prince]] [[spoiler:and later king]] of Westeros, and a RoyalBrat with ''way'' too much power. Throws his royal weight around whenever he possibly can, openly mocks ''everyone'' regardless of their standing or authority, [[spoiler:has a friend of Arya's killed as vengeance for Arya making him look like an idiot, sends an assassin after Bran Stark ''armed with a Valyrian steel blade that no common assassin would have'', which leads the Starks to start suspecting the Lannisters of treachery, and orders the execution of Ned Stark, sparking off a gigantic Civil War]]. When confronted with an angry mob of hundreds of unruly peasants with only a handful of guards to protect him, he responds by ''ordering the guards to behead the peasants'' and only survives because his guards are too smart to listen. All of this leads to a ruler that [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating both the rich and the poor openly despise]]. [[spoiler:This all ends up getting Joffrey killed at his own wedding through the use of poison, and turns the identity of his killer into a big mystery simply because there are so many people who would benefit from his death.]]
** Prince Viserys, who at least has the excuse of being half-mad through years of exile, begging merchants and city rulers for support in retaking Westeros from TheUsurper. When his sister comes of age, she is married off to a Dothraki horselord with a huge army in exchange for his aid, but Viserys endangers the agreement by failing to understand Dothraki culture and continuing to abuse his sister, who is now in fact a powerful queen. He goes too far when he [[spoiler:threatens her unborn child]] while in a TruceZone, thinking the Dothraki can't harm him as they're not allowed to spill blood there. They get around this with some handy LoopholeAbuse, [[spoiler:pouring a pot of molten gold over Viserys' head while his sister calmly looks on.]]

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** Joffrey Baratheon. [[PrinceCharmless Crown Prince]] [[spoiler:and later king]] of Westeros, and a RoyalBrat with ''way'' too much power. Throws his royal weight around whenever he possibly can, openly mocks ''everyone'' regardless of their standing or authority, [[spoiler:has a friend of Arya's killed as vengeance for Arya making him look like an idiot, sends an assassin after Bran Stark ''armed with a Valyrian steel blade that no common assassin would have'', which leads the Starks to start suspecting the Lannisters of treachery, and orders the execution of Ned Stark, sparking off a gigantic Civil War]].CivilWar]]. When confronted with an angry mob of hundreds of unruly peasants with only a handful of guards to protect him, he responds by ''ordering the guards to behead the peasants'' and only survives because his guards are too smart to listen. All of this leads to a ruler that [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating both the rich and the poor openly despise]]. [[spoiler:This all ends up getting Joffrey killed at his own wedding through the use of poison, and turns the identity of his killer into a big mystery [[WhoMurderedTheAsshole simply because there are so many people who would benefit from his death.death]].]]
** Prince Viserys, who at least has the excuse of being half-mad through years of exile, begging merchants and city rulers for support in retaking Westeros from TheUsurper. When his sister comes of age, she is married off to a Dothraki horselord with a huge army in exchange for his aid, but Viserys endangers the agreement by failing to understand Dothraki culture and continuing to abuse his sister, who is now in fact a powerful queen. He goes too far when he [[spoiler:threatens her unborn child]] while in a TruceZone, thinking the Dothraki can't harm him as they're not allowed to spill blood there. They get around this with some handy LoopholeAbuse, [[spoiler:pouring a pot of molten gold over Viserys' head while his sister calmly looks on.]]on]].



** Cersei Lannister as well. She does such things as dismissing the idea of paying the money that the realm owes to the Iron Bank of Braavos (an institution that has a reputation of replacing rulers that don't pay debts), as well as spending a ''very large'' amount of money building an entire fleet of warships, then handing it over to a man of questionable integrity and reliability. As soon as [[spoiler:she's imprisoned]] in ''A Feast For Crows'', the guy makes off with every ship -- naturally. Or, how about empowering a group of religious zealots who have had a long history of rebelling against the Crown, and who clearly still hate the noble elite? The only thing she succeeds at during her stint as a ruler after [[spoiler:Joffrey dies]] in ''A Storm of Swords'' is running the Seven Kingdoms into the ground at an impressive speed, in the process amusing [[MagnificentBastard Littlefinger]] greatly ''and'' [[spoiler:making the realm that much easier for Varys to help Prince Aegon Targaryen VI - the lost son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen (there are question marks) - take for his own. In fact, when Cersei's competent uncle, Kevan Lannister, takes over the Regency, Varys kills him, as he was actually beginning to stabilise the realm.]]
** Rorge threatened to rape Arya while trying to get her to free him. For some strange reason, she declined -- leaving him to get out by a more difficult, undisclosed way. He keeps up the good work by getting most of the Seven Kingdoms to agree to just end him for the gratuitously over the top RapePillageAndBurn he later commits at Saltpans, pseudonym or not. To manage offend the very jaded sensibilities of Westeros takes acute dedication to Evil and/or just plain idiocy.
** Historically, a fair few kings, lords and Hands proved to be this and do get called out for it in the books by other characters. Here are a few highlights: Maegor "the Cruel" focused so much on being... well... cruel, that he wound up getting eviserated by the Iron Throne under mysterious circumstances. Then there's Aegon "the Unworthy": the Blackfyre Rebellions that rolled through Westeros and Essos for over 80 years of slaughter were, basically, entirely his fault. Just because he hated his siblings (one of whom was his wife), hated his son, hated hard work and jumped into any bed or plate of food he could fit into his itinerary or mouth. Aerys "the Mad" grew so AxCrazy, [[MadnessMakeover slovenly]] and [[TheParanoiac jumpily paranoid]] that one of his own Kingsguard took it upon himself to [[MercyKill put the poor, deranged, mess of a man out of everybody's misery]] during the civil war he helped cause.
** The Ironborn shows shades of this as well. A culture that prides itself on pillaging and raiding, they have little plans other than AttackAttackAttack thus leaving them underprepared for anything else. Theon Greyjoy, for example, manages to take Winterfell in a sneak attack but forgets to realize that in order to hold it from being retaken he needs men, hundreds at least in order to do so and he only has a few dozen. He has the added problem of not understanding that the whole point of Ironborn tactics is ''raiding''; if he'd taken prisoners, looted the place, and skedaddled like his crew advised it would have been a flawless victory.

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** Cersei Lannister as well. She does such things as dismissing the idea of paying the money that the realm owes to the Iron Bank of Braavos (an institution that has a reputation of replacing rulers that don't pay debts), as well as spending a ''very large'' amount of money building an entire fleet of warships, then handing it over to a man of questionable integrity and reliability. As soon as [[spoiler:she's imprisoned]] in ''A Feast For Crows'', the guy makes off with every ship -- naturally. Or, how about empowering a group of religious zealots who have had a long history of rebelling against the Crown, and who clearly still hate the noble elite? The only thing she succeeds at during her stint as a ruler after [[spoiler:Joffrey dies]] in ''A Storm of Swords'' is running the Seven Kingdoms into the ground at an impressive speed, in the process amusing [[MagnificentBastard Littlefinger]] greatly ''and'' [[spoiler:making the realm that much easier for Varys to help Prince Aegon Targaryen VI - -- the lost son of Prince Rhaegar Targaryen (there are question marks) - -- take for his own. In fact, when Cersei's competent uncle, Kevan Lannister, takes over the Regency, Varys kills him, as he was actually beginning to stabilise the realm.]]
** Rorge threatened to rape Arya while trying to get her to free him. For some strange reason, she declined -- leaving him to get out by a more difficult, undisclosed way. He keeps up the good work by getting most of the Seven Kingdoms to agree to just end him for the gratuitously over the top over-the-top RapePillageAndBurn he later commits at Saltpans, pseudonym or not. To manage to offend the very jaded sensibilities of Westeros takes acute dedication to Evil and/or just plain idiocy.
** Historically, a fair few kings, lords lords, and Hands proved to be this and do get called out for it in the books by other characters. Here are a few highlights: Maegor "the Cruel" focused so much on being... well... cruel, that he wound up getting eviserated eviscerated by the Iron Throne under mysterious circumstances. Then there's Aegon "the Unworthy": the Blackfyre Rebellions that rolled through Westeros and Essos for over 80 years of slaughter were, basically, entirely his fault. Just because he hated his siblings (one of whom was his wife), hated his son, hated hard work work, and jumped into any bed or plate of food he could fit into his itinerary or mouth. Aerys "the Mad" grew so AxCrazy, [[MadnessMakeover slovenly]] slovenly]], and [[TheParanoiac jumpily paranoid]] that one of his own Kingsguard took it upon himself to [[MercyKill put the poor, deranged, mess of a man out of everybody's misery]] during the civil war he helped cause.
** The Ironborn shows show shades of this as well. A culture that prides itself on pillaging and raiding, they have little plans other than AttackAttackAttack AttackAttackAttack, thus leaving them underprepared for anything else. Theon Greyjoy, for example, manages to take Winterfell in a sneak attack attack, but forgets to realize that in order to hold it from being retaken retaken, he needs men, hundreds at least in order to do so least, and he only has a few dozen. He has the added problem of not understanding that the whole point of Ironborn tactics is ''raiding''; if he'd taken prisoners, looted the place, and skedaddled like his crew advised advised, it would have been a flawless victory.



* Evil Harry Dread from ''Discworld/TheLastHero'' is one of these, and indeed all true 'Dark Lords' are (as is the elder Count Magpyr from ''Discworld/CarpeJugulum)'', as part of an ancient covenant with the heroes.

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* Evil Harry Dread from ''Discworld/TheLastHero'' is one of these, and indeed all true 'Dark Lords' are (as is the elder Count Magpyr from ''Discworld/CarpeJugulum)'', ''Discworld/CarpeJugulum''), as part of an ancient covenant with the heroes.



** YMMV with the Old Count, While he does do villainous stuff, it's pointed out that his own self-imposed rules mean that [[PunchClockVillain it's not really terrifying at all]].
* ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' series offer several examples:
** In [[Literature/{{Dune}} the first book]], Rabban brutally mistreats the Fremen at every opportunity with very little provocation. Of course, unbeknownst to him, his uncle, the Baron Harkonnen, is deliberately letting Rabban abuse his power so that he can eventually be deposed by his brother [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Feyd]], with the expectation that Feyd will be hailed as a savior. Unfortunately for Harkonnen, Feyd is also prone to stupid evil - he tries to have the Baron killed before the plot has played out.
** In ''Literature/ChildrenOfDune'', Wensicia tries to have Leto and Ghanima -- a pair of nine-year-old twins with genius-level intellects and the collected military experience of all their ancestors combined -- killed with ''tigers'' (sure, they're specially trained and have little devices in their brains that allow them to be remotely controlled, but they'll still dumb animals against genius kids.) And she sets this plan into motion for no other reason than petty revenge for the overthrow of her father- - since the kids have not yet ascended the throne, their deaths won't actually bring down House Atreides or the Cult of Muad'Dib. [[spoiler:The plan fails, of course, and her own son is so disgusted by her stupidity that he forces her to give up her power and then has her exiled.]]

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** YMMV with the Old Count, Count. While he does do villainous stuff, it's pointed out that his own self-imposed rules mean that [[PunchClockVillain it's not really terrifying at all]].
* The ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' series offer offers several examples:
** In [[Literature/{{Dune}} the first book]], Rabban brutally mistreats the Fremen at every opportunity with very little provocation. Of course, unbeknownst to him, his uncle, the Baron Harkonnen, is deliberately letting Rabban abuse his power so that he can eventually be deposed by his brother [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Feyd]], with the expectation that Feyd will be hailed as a savior. Unfortunately for Harkonnen, Feyd is also prone to stupid evil - -- he tries to have the Baron killed before the plot has played out.
** In ''Literature/ChildrenOfDune'', Wensicia tries to have Leto and Ghanima -- a pair of nine-year-old twins with genius-level intellects and the collected military experience of all their ancestors combined -- killed with ''tigers'' (sure, they're specially trained and have little devices in their brains that allow them to be remotely controlled, but they'll still dumb animals against genius kids.) kids). And she sets this plan into motion for no other reason than petty revenge for the overthrow of her father- - father -- since the kids have not yet ascended the throne, their deaths won't actually bring down House Atreides or the Cult of Muad'Dib. [[spoiler:The plan fails, of course, and her own son is so disgusted by her stupidity that he forces her to give up her power and then has her exiled.]]



* Vicar Zhaspahr Clyntahn is the Grand Inquisitor of the corrupt Church of God Awaiting in ''Literature/{{Safehold}}'', and he pulls moments of Stupid Evil with alarming regularity.

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* Vicar Zhaspahr Clyntahn is the Grand Inquisitor of the corrupt {{corrupt|Church}} Church of God Awaiting in ''Literature/{{Safehold}}'', and he pulls moments of Stupid Evil with alarming regularity.



** ''How Firm a Foundation:'' His long standing automatic suspicion of the Republic of Siddarmark prompts him to instigate the Sword of Schueler, a plan that starts unrest within the country quickly turning into outright civil war and nearly destroying the Republic from the inside out. He does this despite being told repeatedly by the others in the Group of Four to leave Siddarmark alone, since they still give tithes and are, at worst, neutral in the conflict. After the Sword of Schueler, Siddarmark's leaders ally with Charis just to survive and provides the naval-based Charis with a mainland ally it desperately needed.
** In ''Hell's Foundations Quiver'', During the overland war in Siddarmark, he refuses to allow troops of the Army of God to be pulled back, despite the advice of the army's supreme commander. One reason is because he refuses to give up ground won from the heretics. However, that captured land also contain numerous concentration camps that are used to sort through captured heretics that he does not want to see liberated.

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** ''How Firm a Foundation:'' His long standing long-standing automatic suspicion of the Republic of Siddarmark prompts him to instigate the Sword of Schueler, a plan that starts unrest within the country quickly turning into outright civil war and nearly destroying the Republic from the inside out. He does this despite being told repeatedly by the others in the Group of Four to leave Siddarmark alone, since they still give tithes and are, at worst, neutral in the conflict. After the Sword of Schueler, Siddarmark's leaders ally with Charis just to survive and provides the naval-based Charis with a mainland ally it desperately needed.
** In ''Hell's Foundations Quiver'', During during the overland war in Siddarmark, he refuses to allow troops of the Army of God to be pulled back, despite the advice of the army's supreme commander. One reason is because he refuses to give up ground won from the heretics. However, that captured land also contain contains numerous concentration camps that are used to sort through captured heretics that he does not want to see liberated.



** Also, Peter Petrelli during his brief FaceHeelTurn phase after absorbing Sylar's ability and its corresponding psychosis. In comparison, Sylar, for his part, is perfectly capable of faking normal if it will advance his long-term goals, or even of occasionally showing mercy if the mood strikes him. Evil Peter, on the other hand, had NoIndoorVoice and was instantly compelled to decapitate every single person that he met after he gained Sylar's craziness.

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** Also, Peter Petrelli during his brief FaceHeelTurn phase after absorbing Sylar's ability and its corresponding psychosis. In comparison, Sylar, for his part, is perfectly capable of faking normal normality if it will advance his long-term goals, or even of occasionally showing mercy if the mood strikes him. Evil Peter, on the other hand, had NoIndoorVoice and was instantly compelled to decapitate every single person that he met after he gained Sylar's craziness.



** The Master in his first season has this as a character trait. Most of his stories involve the Doctor pointing out to him that if his own plan succeeds, he's doomed -- usually due to basic logical oversights like not considering the fact that he's trying to blow up the planet he's currently living on and can't leave, or that the villains have ChronicBackstabbingDisorder, or that the telepathic death machine has no way of not killing him too, and so on -- and the Master panicking and agreeing to help the Doctor fix his own mess. This is a lot of how he can remain a FriendlyEnemy -- the implication is that he's just so stupid, and his plans are so pointless and convoluted, that the Doctor can't even take him that seriously. This rather [[JerkassWoobie pathetic]] characterisation is partly why the Hinchcliffe regime decided to drastically invent him as a psychotic, murderous, and genuinely hateful [[OurLichesAreDifferent lich-like creature]]. In "The Deadly Assassin", we get this exchange:

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** The Master in his first season has this as a character trait. Most of his stories involve the Doctor pointing out to him that if his own plan succeeds, he's doomed -- usually due to basic logical oversights like not considering the fact that he's trying to blow up the planet he's currently living on and can't leave, or that the villains have ChronicBackstabbingDisorder, or that the telepathic death machine has no way of not killing him too, and so on -- and the Master panicking and agreeing to help the Doctor fix his own mess. This is a lot of how he can remain a FriendlyEnemy -- the implication is that he's just so stupid, and his plans are so pointless and convoluted, that the Doctor can't even take him that seriously. This rather [[JerkassWoobie pathetic]] characterisation is partly why the Hinchcliffe regime decided to drastically invent reinvent him as a psychotic, murderous, and genuinely hateful [[OurLichesAreDifferent lich-like creature]]. In "The Deadly Assassin", we get this exchange:



*** The Rani calls him on this: she just wants to rule one planet, beneficently if she can get away with it -- but what are you going to ''do'' with the Whole Universe?
---->'''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-mark-of-rani-written-by-pip-jane.html Joe Ford]]''': Iím not sure [[TookALevelInDumbass what happens]] to the Rani between this and "Time and the Rani" because she develops from a (relatively) sensible character into a panto ice queen. The only explanation I can think of right now is that she has now experienced how much fun it is to toss logic aside and indulge in grandiose masterplans. The Master has a lot to answer for.
*** The new series attempts to rectify this by making the destruction of his homeworld and his species in the Time War the motivation to take over the universe, and giving him a FreudianExcuse as motivation for his more psychotic actions - a sound of drumming imprinted in his brain by the Time Lords. This excuse was an ActorAllusion to Creator/JohnSimm's previous role as Caligula and has yet to be mentioned by any successive incarnations. ''AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho'' suggests that the Master was chosen to be Death's Champion.

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*** The Rani calls him on this: she just wants to rule one planet, beneficently if she can get away with it -- but what are you going to ''do'' with the Whole Universe?
whole universe?
---->'''[[http://docohobigfinish.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-mark-of-rani-written-by-pip-jane.html Joe Ford]]''': Iím not sure [[TookALevelInDumbass what happens]] to the Rani between this and "Time and the Rani" because she develops from a (relatively) sensible character into a panto ice queen. The only explanation I can think of right now is that she has now experienced how much fun it is to toss logic aside and indulge in grandiose masterplans.master plans. The Master has a lot to answer for.
*** The new series attempts to rectify this by making the destruction of his homeworld and his species in the Time War the motivation to take over the universe, and giving him a FreudianExcuse as motivation for his more psychotic actions - -- a sound of drumming imprinted in his brain by the Time Lords. This excuse was an ActorAllusion to Creator/JohnSimm's previous role as Caligula and has yet to be mentioned by any successive incarnations. ''AudioPlay/BigFinishDoctorWho'' suggests that the Master was chosen to be Death's Champion.



* In the ''Series/{{CSI}}'' episode "Bad to the Bone", the killer is close to this (he's shown to have a short temper and be [[MurderIsTheBestSolution extremely]] [[AxCrazy violent]]). He steals poker chips (and never cashes them in despite having thousands of dollars worth), starts fights (in which he beat a man several times his size to death with his bare hands) and then walks into a diner covered in blood to wash his hands and order a sandwich. [[spoiler: He's killed when he decides to try and strangle Grissom when he's swabbing his hands for blood residue and dies in the ensuing brawl with the police (his sister, and only surviving family member, is relieved he finally got himself killed). The rest of the episode is devoted to the team finding the remains of one of his victims in his garden]]. While he's not the only example in the series, he's one of the only one who doesn't have the excuse of being on drugs or a stupid kid (though it is implied that he has some kind of neurological disorder or is simply some kind of psychopath with with next to no impulse control whatsoever).

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* In the ''Series/{{CSI}}'' episode "Bad to the Bone", the killer is close to this (he's shown to have a short temper and be [[MurderIsTheBestSolution extremely]] [[AxCrazy violent]]). He steals poker chips (and never cashes them in despite having thousands of dollars worth), starts fights (in which he beat a man several times his size to death with his bare hands) and then walks into a diner covered in blood to wash his hands and order a sandwich. [[spoiler: He's [[spoiler:He's killed when he decides to try and strangle Grissom when he's swabbing his hands for blood residue and dies in the ensuing brawl with the police (his sister, and only surviving family member, is relieved he finally got himself killed). The rest of the episode is devoted to the team finding the remains of one of his victims in his garden]]. garden.]] While he's not the only example in the series, he's one of the only one ones who doesn't have the excuse of being on drugs or a stupid kid (though it is implied that he has some kind of neurological disorder or is simply some kind of psychopath with with next to no impulse control whatsoever).



** Ramsay stands out as being incapable of restraining his sadism at great cost to his cause, though unlike Joffrey he ''is'' intelligent and street-wise when he needs to be. The problem is that he mainly uses his intelligence to devise ways to torture and torment people for kicks, often without considering the long-term consequences of his cruel acts. When Roose returns to the Dreadfort, he's quick to chastise Ramsay for how he's managed to destroy any chance of making a badly needed alliance with the Greyjoys just because he wanted to have a bit of pointless fun breaking a man. Ramsay then needlessly massacres the Greyjoy garrison at Moat Cailin, flaying them alive and publicly displaying their corpses... after they had ''surrendered in good faith'' on promise of safe passage! This is pushed to new heights in Season 5, after Ramsay gets cocky from being legitimized as "Ramsay Bolton". Everyone (from Jon Snow in the Night's Watch to Stannis to the Small Council in King's Landing) is starting to get concerned that winter is finally coming in a matter of weeks, and to worry about food supplies. Ramsay, in contrast, is messily enjoying a private feast for himself - animals he should have kept alive for the winter. When Lord Cerwyn (one of the top dozen lords in the North) refuses to acknowledge the Boltons as the new rulers of the North, Ramsay publicly flays him alive - along with his brother ''and'' his wife - while forcing Cerwyn's son to watch. Ramsay is outright proud that afterwards the son paid his taxes. Ramsay barely listens as his father tries to explain to him that such wanton brutality hurts them in the long term - instead he continues to shove food in his mouth. Roose then gets so annoyed at Ramsay's oblivious stupidity that he comes the closest he ever has in the entire TV series to outright ''shouting'' at someone. In the books, Ramsay actually got that feast from House Stout; their lord begged Ramsay that they had already slaughtered all of their animals at harvest time for winter, and all they have left are their breeding stock: he pleads that if Ramsay has him slaughter his ''breeding stock'', he won't have any way of replenishing his herds at all and won't be able to provide Ramsay ''or himself'' meat again a year from now. Ramsay utterly ignores his warning and demands that he slaughter his breeding stock anyway. Ramsay isn't just eating up provisions, he is ''destroying his means of production''. This quote from ''28 Days Later'' comes to mind: "He's telling me he'll never bake bread, plant crops, raise livestock: He's telling me he's futureless." In Season 6, his father coldly points out that "playing his games" with Sansa, i.e. aggressively forcing himself on her constantly, and causing her to run away, may well have cost him the support of the North. Without Sansa, the Boltons have no hold over the Northern lords. In the following episode, Ramsay correctly surmises that Sansa is running away to her brother Jon Snow, Lord Commander of the Night's Watch at Castle Black and suggests they wage war against Castle Black to reclaim his bride. However, Roose believes the Northern lords would rise up against him for murdering the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. All of this comes to a head in "Battle of the Bastards". He uses his own men as a trap in the titular Battle of the Bastards, discounting the possibility of reinforcements and ending up killing his entire Karstark-Umber-Bolton alliance more or less to a man. When finally cornered inside Winterfell, he at least has one chance to kill the enemy leader while surrounded, but wastes it by finishing off the giant Wun Wun (who was going to die anyways) instead of killing Jon, when he is distracted. His actions have left House Bolton with no heirs, dooming it to be forgotten by history as the Starks retake Winterfell and he is fed to his own dogs.

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** Ramsay stands out as being incapable of restraining his sadism at great cost to his cause, though unlike Joffrey Joffrey, he ''is'' intelligent and street-wise when he needs to be. The problem is that he mainly uses his intelligence to devise ways to torture and torment people for kicks, often without considering the long-term consequences of his cruel acts. When Roose returns to the Dreadfort, he's quick to chastise Ramsay for how he's managed to destroy any chance of making a badly needed alliance with the Greyjoys just because he wanted to have a bit of pointless fun breaking a man. Ramsay then needlessly massacres the Greyjoy garrison at Moat Cailin, flaying them alive and publicly displaying their corpses... after they had ''surrendered in good faith'' on promise of safe passage! This is pushed to new heights in Season 5, after Ramsay gets cocky from being legitimized as "Ramsay Bolton". Everyone (from Jon Snow in the Night's Watch to Stannis to the Small Council in King's Landing) is starting to get concerned that winter is finally coming in a matter of weeks, and to worry about food supplies. Ramsay, in contrast, is messily enjoying a private feast for himself - animals he should have kept alive for the winter. When Lord Cerwyn (one of the top dozen lords in the North) refuses to acknowledge the Boltons as the new rulers of the North, Ramsay publicly flays him alive - along with his brother ''and'' his wife - -- while forcing Cerwyn's son to watch. Ramsay is outright proud that afterwards the son paid his taxes. Ramsay barely listens as his father tries to explain to him that such wanton brutality hurts them in the long term - instead -- instead, he continues to shove food in his mouth. Roose then gets so annoyed at Ramsay's oblivious stupidity that he comes the closest he ever has in the entire TV series to outright ''shouting'' at someone. In [[note]]In the books, Ramsay actually got that feast from House Stout; their lord begged Ramsay that they had already slaughtered all of their animals at harvest time for winter, and all they have left are their breeding stock: he pleads that if Ramsay has him slaughter his ''breeding stock'', he won't have any way of replenishing his herds at all and won't be able to provide Ramsay ''or himself'' meat again a year from now. Ramsay utterly ignores his warning and demands that he slaughter his breeding stock anyway. Ramsay isn't just eating up provisions, he is ''destroying his means of production''. This quote from ''28 Days Later'' comes to mind: "He's telling me he'll never bake bread, plant crops, raise livestock: He's telling me he's futureless." "[[/note]] In Season 6, his father coldly points out that "playing his games" with Sansa, i.e. aggressively forcing himself on her constantly, constantly and causing her to run away, may well have cost him the support of the North. Without Sansa, the Boltons have no hold over the Northern lords. In the following episode, Ramsay correctly surmises that Sansa is running away to her brother Jon Snow, Lord Commander of the Night's Watch at Castle Black Black, and suggests they wage war against Castle Black to reclaim his bride. However, Roose believes the Northern lords would rise up against him for murdering the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. All of this comes to a head in "Battle of the Bastards". He uses his own men as a trap in the titular Battle of the Bastards, discounting the possibility of reinforcements and ending up killing his entire Karstark-Umber-Bolton alliance more or less to a man. When finally cornered inside Winterfell, he at least has one chance to kill the enemy leader while surrounded, but wastes it by finishing off the giant Wun Wun (who was going to die anyways) instead of killing Jon, Jon when he is distracted. His actions have left House Bolton with no heirs, dooming it to be forgotten by history as the Starks retake Winterfell and he is fed to his own dogs.



* In ''Series/StargateSG1'' The Goa'uld can be like this. In "In the Line of Duty", Teal'c explains that he has seen certain victory turn to defeat simply because the Goa'uld cannot rein in their [[EvilGloating gloating]] or [[KickTheDog pointless]] [[ForTheEvulz sadism.]] There were really only three Goa'uld who managed to avoid this: relatively non-evil Yu, NoNonsenseNemesis Anubis, and MagnificentBastard Ba'al.
* In one episode of ''Series/OnceUponATime'', it's shown that the previous [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Dark One]] was under the control of the local Duke, who was having children conscripted into the army to go fight against the ogres. The question is why? The duke had the power of the Dark One at his disposal, which is later shown to be ''more'' than enough to drive back the ogres (as Rumpelstiltskin did). There were plenty of adults around, so why pointlessly throw away children in the war? It seems that the only reason to squander that magical power ''and'' get children killed for no point or purpose was to get Baelfire involved so that Rumpelstiltskin would have a reason to grow a backbone, and kick off his character arc.
** Or, being a feudal lord, as a way to keep the peasant population in check. [[EpilepticTrees Some fans theorise that the Ogres didn't even start the war, and that the Duke keeps the war in the current unwinnable state in order to justify exorbitant taxes and martial law]]

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* In ''Series/StargateSG1'' The ''Series/StargateSG1'', the Goa'uld can be like this. In "In the Line of Duty", Teal'c explains that he has seen certain victory turn to defeat simply because the Goa'uld cannot rein in their [[EvilGloating gloating]] or [[KickTheDog pointless]] [[ForTheEvulz sadism.]] There were really only three Goa'uld who managed to avoid this: relatively non-evil Yu, NoNonsenseNemesis Anubis, and MagnificentBastard Ba'al.
* In one episode of ''Series/OnceUponATime'', it's shown that the previous [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Dark One]] was under the control of the local Duke, who was having children conscripted into the army to go fight against the ogres. The question is why? The duke had the power of the Dark One at his disposal, which is later shown to be ''more'' than enough to drive back the ogres (as Rumpelstiltskin did). There were plenty of adults around, so why pointlessly throw away children in the war? It seems that the only reason to squander that magical power ''and'' get children killed for no point or purpose was to get Baelfire involved so that Rumpelstiltskin would have a reason to grow a backbone, backbone and kick off his character arc.
** Or, being a feudal lord, as a way to keep the peasant population in check. [[EpilepticTrees Some fans theorise that the Ogres didn't even start the war, and that the Duke keeps the war in the current unwinnable state in order to justify exorbitant taxes and martial law]]law.]]



** This is a particularly regrettable case of this given his characterization in the book, where he is a full-blown MagnificentBastard who is suggested to have little liquid wealth, and is simply ''extremely'' savvy with financial tricks and showmanship. In the book, it is explained that he is fully aware that the clacks are nearly unusable (and are constantly getting worse), but he is still making a fortune from them, and when they (inevitably) completely fail he will make an even larger fortune by selling them, ''regardless of their condition'', making his cheapskate management a solid case of PragmaticVillainy (and he is implied to have done this to other businesses in the past). The only reason Moist and the post office are a genuine threat to him is because BoxedCrook Moist is equally clever at showmanship, and can make the post office ''appear'' a viable (and divinely supported) institution, even though he is fully aware that a functional clacks is a better system by any sane standards.

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** This is a particularly regrettable case of this given his characterization in the book, where he is a full-blown MagnificentBastard who is suggested to have little liquid wealth, and is simply ''extremely'' savvy with financial tricks and showmanship. In the book, it is explained that he is fully aware that the clacks are nearly unusable (and are constantly getting worse), but he is still making a fortune from them, and when they (inevitably) completely fail fail, he will make an even larger fortune by selling them, ''regardless of their condition'', making his cheapskate management a solid case of PragmaticVillainy (and he is implied to have done this to other businesses in the past). The only reason Moist and the post office are a genuine threat to him is because BoxedCrook Moist is equally clever at showmanship, and can make the post office ''appear'' a viable (and divinely supported) institution, even though he is fully aware that a functional clacks is a better system by any sane standards.



* Bomber Adrian Bale from ''Series/CriminalMinds''. The man is a [[TheSociopath textbook sociopath]] who only cares about blowing people up to the exclusion of all else, including his own wellbeing. One year before the start of the series, he held a group of people hostage in a warehouse until Gideon was able to talk him down; Bale gave himself up but held on to the remote for his bomb, and detonated it when six FBI agents went in to do a sweep, ensuring he was imprisoned for life and destroying any chance of parole. In Season 1 he was called in to advise the BAU on how to disarm a necklace bomb on a hostage that was copied from one of his designs -- in exchange, he managed to negotiate a transfer to a secure hospital and force Gideon to make a written statement that Bale was smarter than him. When it came down to a WireDilemma, he lied about which wire to cut (fortunately, Gideon didn't believe him), invalidating his deal and getting himself put back in prison, now branded as a snitch.
** A number of other [=UnSubs=] also qualify, but unlike Bale, they have the excuse of being [[VillainousBreakdown desperate]] or [[AxCrazy crazy]]. Adrian was 100% in control of himself and understood the consequences of his actions, he just wants to pull a TakingYouWithMe on Gideon, than go back to jail.

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* Bomber Adrian Bale from ''Series/CriminalMinds''. The man is a [[TheSociopath textbook sociopath]] who only cares about blowing people up to the exclusion of all else, including his own wellbeing.well-being. One year before the start of the series, he held a group of people hostage in a warehouse until Gideon was able to talk him down; Bale gave himself up but held on to the remote for his bomb, and detonated it when six FBI agents went in to do a sweep, ensuring he was imprisoned for life and destroying any chance of parole. In Season 1 1, he was called in to advise the BAU on how to disarm a necklace bomb on a hostage that was copied from one of his designs -- in exchange, he managed to negotiate a transfer to a secure hospital and force Gideon to make a written statement that Bale was smarter than him. When it came down to a WireDilemma, he lied about which wire to cut (fortunately, Gideon didn't believe him), invalidating his deal and getting himself put back in prison, now branded as a snitch.
** A number of other [=UnSubs=] also qualify, but unlike Bale, they have the excuse of being [[VillainousBreakdown desperate]] or [[AxCrazy crazy]]. Adrian was 100% in control of himself and understood the consequences of his actions, actions; he just wants to pull a TakingYouWithMe on Gideon, than then go back to jail.



* In ''The Making Of The Mob'', Vito Genovese is consistently portrayed this way. His great feats include murdering a former associate in broad daylight to get out of paying the guy (which ultimately resulted in his having to leave the country); murdering another guy so that he could marry his widow; stealing supplies from the United States Army ''during World War II'' (when he was already under suspicion for having close ties to Mussolini); and the Apalachin Conference, in which he invited La Cosa Nostra leaders from around the country to a farm in Upstate New York in order to celebrate the establishment of his own crime family - and drew the attention of the New York State Police, resulting in dozens of arrests.

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* In ''The Making Of The Mob'', Vito Genovese is consistently portrayed this way. His great feats include murdering a former associate in broad daylight to get out of paying the guy (which ultimately resulted in his having to leave the country); murdering another guy so that he could marry his widow; stealing supplies from the United States Army ''during World War II'' (when he was already under suspicion for having close ties to Mussolini); and the Apalachin Conference, in which he invited La Cosa Nostra leaders from around the country to a farm in Upstate New York in order to celebrate the establishment of his own crime family - -- and drew the attention of the New York State Police, resulting in dozens of arrests.



* In fact, Orthodox Christianity states that sin (i.e. act against God's love and His will) is stupid. It brings His wrath upon you, totally ruin your soul, mind and body, ''make want to sin more'', and eventually, brings you to a FateWorseThanDeath. (Not to mention, that ''the whole universe'' has changed to the worst after Adam and Eve's first sin.) In fact, the only reason that we ''exist'' now, according to saints, is that He wants us to repent (feel guilt, ask God for forgiveness and stop sinning, and live by His Commandments (Old and New Testaments).

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* In fact, Orthodox Christianity states that sin (i.e. act acting against God's love and His will) is stupid. ''inherently'' stupid (basically Evil Is Dumb). It brings His wrath upon you, totally ruin ruins your soul, mind mind, and body, ''make ''makes you want to sin more'', and eventually, brings you to a FateWorseThanDeath. (Not to mention, mention that ''the whole universe'' has changed to for the worst worse after Adam and Eve's first sin.) In fact, the only reason that we ''exist'' now, according to saints, is that He wants us to repent (feel guilt, ask God for forgiveness and stop sinning, and live by His Commandments (Old and New Testaments).Testaments)).



** The forces of Chaos (appropriately enough) make some pretty questionable tactical decisions from time to time. There's a reason that the symbol for Chaos is an [[WeAREStrugglingTogether arrow that points in eight different directions]].

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** The forces of Chaos (appropriately enough) make some pretty questionable tactical decisions from time to time. There's a reason that the symbol for Chaos is an [[WeAREStrugglingTogether [[WeAreStrugglingTogether arrow that points in eight different directions]].



*** [[EnemyCivilWar Infighting between various Chaos factions]] has spelled the ruin of more than one attack on the Imperium. This might be an aversion since it seems that the Big Four doesn't want to win their war with the Imperium. If they win the war, human population will drop drastically along with human psychic emanations that forms their existence.
*** Kharn the Betrayer[[note]]What a guy![[/note]] is such a bloodthirsty, frothing AxCrazy that even his fellow Ax Crazies don't want to get anywhere near him. This is because he has a tendency to slaughter friend and foe alike when his blood is up. At one point, when the World Eaters (Kharn's legion of Chaos {{Space Marine}}s) were attacking an enemy force of Emperor's Children ([[EnemyCivilWar another Legion of Chaos Space Marines]]), a blizzard so terrible even the genetically-enhanced and daemonically-powered {{Super Soldier}}s couldn't take it descended and forced both sides to retreat into shelter. In a fit of rage, Kharn ''burned shelters to the ground'' and proceeded to run around in a psychotic frenzy, slaughtering anyone that came within [[ChainsawGood chainsaw-axe]] range. Both Legions had to kill their own battle brothers to get inside the shelters and survive and as a result, they were never again able to take the field as a unified fighting force, and are now reduced to fighting alongside other Chaos warbands as shock troops. This is represented in the tabletop game by Kharn's special rules: if you roll poorly to hit in close combat, where any other character would simply miss, Kharn instead ''hits someone on his own side''. Though he does have a little [[JustifiedTrope Justification]]; Kharn is fanatically dedicated to Khorne, the Blood God, and [[BloodKnight Khorne cares not from where the blood flows,]] ''[[InLoveWithYourCarnage so long as it flows]]''. Thus, as far as his faith is concerned, he was doing the right thing and all the other world eaters were being cowards.
*** Diverting shock troops in extremely rare and strong armor, even by Space Marine standards, from a strategically important battle to take out an enemy propaganda station run by a dozen unarmed monks, then annihilating it from orbit while the shocktroops are still inside. Chaos commanders seem to have a collective inferiority complex or something.
** The Imperium of Man suffers heavily from this, half the time it seems like it's done to keep them from completely wiping out the Chaos Marines. Acts done by the Inquisition are the worst case, they can vary from committing acts of NecessaryEvil, but are infamous for doing things like leveling whole planets just because a few people came into contact with alien technology. The Imperial Guard, DependingOnTheWriter, will be led by incompetent {{General Ripper}}s that can't think of any tactics beyond throwing human wave tactics at things that will tear them in half, as opposed to say, shooting them from a distance with their huge tanks.

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*** [[EnemyCivilWar Infighting between various Chaos factions]] has spelled the ruin of more than one attack on the Imperium. This might be an aversion since it seems that the Big Four doesn't want to win their war with the Imperium. If they win the war, human population will drop drastically drastically, along with human psychic emanations that forms their existence.
*** Kharn the Betrayer[[note]]What a guy![[/note]] is such a bloodthirsty, frothing AxCrazy that even his fellow Ax Crazies don't want to get anywhere near him. This is because he has a tendency to slaughter friend and foe alike when his blood is up. At one point, when the World Eaters (Kharn's legion of Chaos {{Space Marine}}s) were attacking an enemy force of Emperor's Children ([[EnemyCivilWar another Legion of Chaos Space Marines]]), a blizzard so terrible even the genetically-enhanced and daemonically-powered {{Super Soldier}}s couldn't take it descended and forced both sides to retreat into shelter. In a fit of rage, Kharn ''burned shelters to the ground'' and proceeded to run around in a psychotic frenzy, slaughtering anyone that came within [[ChainsawGood chainsaw-axe]] range. Both Legions had to kill their own battle brothers to get inside the shelters and survive survive, and as a result, they were never again able to take the field as a unified fighting force, and are now reduced to fighting alongside other Chaos warbands as shock troops. This is represented in the tabletop game by Kharn's special rules: if you roll poorly to hit in close combat, where any other character would simply miss, Kharn instead ''hits someone on his own side''. Though he does have a little [[JustifiedTrope Justification]]; Kharn is fanatically dedicated to Khorne, the Blood God, and [[BloodKnight Khorne cares not from where the blood flows,]] ''[[InLoveWithYourCarnage so long as it flows]]''. Thus, as far as his faith is concerned, he was doing the right thing and all the other world eaters were being cowards.
*** Diverting shock troops in extremely rare and strong armor, even by Space Marine standards, from a strategically important battle to take out an enemy propaganda station run by a dozen unarmed monks, then annihilating it from orbit while the shocktroops shock troops are still inside. Chaos commanders seem to have a collective inferiority complex or something.
** The Imperium of Man suffers heavily from this, this; half the time time, it seems like it's done to keep them from completely wiping out the Chaos Marines. Acts done by the Inquisition are the worst case, case; they can vary don't shy away from committing acts of NecessaryEvil, but are infamous for doing things like [[DisproportionateRetribution leveling whole planets just because a few people came into contact with alien technology. technology]]. The Imperial Guard, DependingOnTheWriter, will be led by incompetent {{General Ripper}}s [[WeHaveReserves that can't think of any tactics beyond throwing human wave tactics at things that will tear them in half, half]], as opposed to to, say, shooting them from a distance with their huge tanks.



** Eldar, of all factions, grab IdiotBall almost as often as Imperium. They will lie, mislead, manipulate and be jerks just to show off their superiority. They orchestrate deaths of billions of the Imperium soldiers to save a few hundred of their own kin, despite the fact that Imperium is the only thing protecting the galaxy from being overrun by forces of disorder.

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** The Eldar, of all factions, grab the IdiotBall almost as often as the Imperium. They will lie, mislead, manipulate manipulate, and be jerks just to show off their superiority. They will orchestrate deaths of billions of the Imperium soldiers to save a few hundred of their own kin, despite the fact that the Imperium is the only thing protecting the galaxy from being overrun by forces of disorder.



** Drow elves in most campaign settings. Being forced to live underground, surrounded by swarms of magic-eye-beam-firing, mind-controlling, acid-spewing and other nastiness-causing beasties? Sure, why ''not'' worship an insane demon and turn your own civilization into a SocialDarwinist nightmare so you expend three-quarters of your energy fighting yourselves? It helps that in most settings the Drow have an AxCrazy Goddess who rules their society DEMANDS that they [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder constantly double cross]] each other. She is specifically described as "constantly watching for signs of too much cooperation." The ''Literature/StarlightAndShadows'' trilogy, however, has them go too far for even Lolth's tastes; she has to send a divine avatar to command them to tone it down for a while, lest their whole race completely destroy itself.

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** Drow elves in most campaign settings. Being forced to live underground, surrounded by swarms of magic-eye-beam-firing, mind-controlling, acid-spewing acid-spewing, and other nastiness-causing beasties? Sure, why ''not'' worship an insane demon and turn your own civilization into a SocialDarwinist nightmare so you expend three-quarters of your energy fighting yourselves? It helps that in most settings the Drow have an AxCrazy Goddess who rules their society DEMANDS and ''demands'' that they [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder constantly double cross]] double-cross each other.other]]. She is specifically described as "constantly watching for signs of too much cooperation." The ''Literature/StarlightAndShadows'' trilogy, however, has them go too far for even Lolth's tastes; she has to send a divine avatar to command them to tone it down for a while, lest their whole race completely destroy itself.



** Very much TruthInTelevision for players, who, whether as a TokenEvilTeammate or a gang of {{Villain Protagonist}}s, will often be so unused playing an evil character that they jump into this trope. Common activities include attempting to [[LordBritishPostulate murder powerful Good NPCs out of annoyance]], using unnecessary brutality while in front of a paladin, ignoring the BigBad's plot and attempting to pull a FaceHeelTurn when they're not interested, and trying to conquer a kingdom at level 4.
* Intentionally employed in the ''TabletopGame/{{Paranoia}}'' {{RPG}} system, where all of the player characters are supposed to be stupid evil and the "plot" is just an excuse to put them all in one room while they try to out-backstab each other. Not only that, but they're all at the mercy of an omnipresent LawfulStupid {{NPC}}, Friend Computer, so that they have to try get away with being Stupid Evil while acting like they're Lawful Stupid.
* The Skaven of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Fantasy'' are very much Stupid [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Backstabbers]]. While this serves a useful purpose in ensuring [[TheSocialDarwinist only the strong survive]], this isn't saying much since Skaven take the WeHaveReserves and ZergRush approaches; on the other hand, their tendency to turn every minor engagement into a five-way leadership battle is pretty much the sole reason apart from sheer troop inadequacy that they haven't taken over the entire friggin' world. Seriously, in one of the ''Literature/GotrekAndFelix'' novels, Thanquol could have won by page 200 if he hadn't been ''sending the heroes to eliminate his rivals'' out of fear for his position. In the setting's [[TabletopGame/WarhammerTheEndTimes grand finale]] they took on basically everyone else except the other Chaos factions at once and ''won'' on almost every front, only failing to win the entire war outright because some of them decided to blow up a moon over one of the continents while a large portion of their warriors were currently standing on it.
* ''TabletopGame/WorldOfDarkness'' as a whole seems to always have a Stupid Evil faction for the players to fight against (or join). In [[TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade Vampire]], we have the Sabbat, who want to rule over humankind openly, ignoring that the Camarilla, their opposing faction ALREADY basically rules the world. In [[TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse Werewolf]], we have the Black Spiral Dancers who would really really like to help the [[EldritchAbomination Wyrm]] destroy the universe. And finally, for [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension Mage]], we have the [[OmnicidalManiac Nephandi]] who want to help Demons/The aforementioned Wyrm/Every other otherworldly abomination destroy the universe [[ForTheEvulz basically for the lulz]].

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** Very much TruthInTelevision for players, who, whether as a TokenEvilTeammate or a gang of {{Villain Protagonist}}s, will often be so unused to playing an evil character that they jump into this trope. Common activities include attempting to [[LordBritishPostulate murder powerful Good NPCs out of annoyance]], using unnecessary brutality while in front of a paladin, ignoring the BigBad's plot and attempting to pull a FaceHeelTurn when they're not interested, and trying to conquer a kingdom at level 4.
* Intentionally employed in the ''TabletopGame/{{Paranoia}}'' {{RPG}} system, where all of the player characters are supposed to be stupid evil and the "plot" is just an excuse to put them all in one room while they try to out-backstab each other. Not only that, but they're all at the mercy of an omnipresent LawfulStupid {{NPC}}, Friend Computer, so that they have to try to get away with being Stupid Evil while acting like they're Lawful Stupid.
* The Skaven of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}} Fantasy'' are very much Stupid [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Backstabbers]]. While this serves a useful purpose in ensuring [[TheSocialDarwinist only the strong survive]], this isn't saying much since Skaven take the WeHaveReserves and ZergRush approaches; on the other hand, their tendency to turn every minor engagement into a five-way leadership battle is pretty much the sole reason apart from sheer troop inadequacy that they haven't taken over the entire friggin' world. Seriously, in one of the ''Literature/GotrekAndFelix'' novels, Thanquol could have won by page 200 if he hadn't been ''sending the heroes to eliminate his rivals'' out of fear for his position. In the setting's [[TabletopGame/WarhammerTheEndTimes grand finale]] finale]], they took on basically everyone else except the other Chaos factions at once and ''won'' on almost every front, only failing to win the entire war outright because some of them decided to blow up a moon over one of the continents while a large portion of their warriors were currently standing on it.
* ''TabletopGame/WorldOfDarkness'' as a whole seems to always have a Stupid Evil faction for the players to fight against (or join). In [[TabletopGame/VampireTheMasquerade Vampire]], we have the Sabbat, who want to rule over humankind openly, ignoring that the Camarilla, their opposing faction faction, ALREADY basically rules the world. In [[TabletopGame/WerewolfTheApocalypse Werewolf]], we have the Black Spiral Dancers Dancers, who would really really, really like to help the [[EldritchAbomination Wyrm]] destroy the universe. And finally, for [[TabletopGame/MageTheAscension Mage]], we have the [[OmnicidalManiac Nephandi]] Nephandi]], who want to help Demons/The aforementioned Wyrm/Every other otherworldly abomination destroy the universe [[ForTheEvulz basically for the lulz]].



** The ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' has its share as well, most notably Belial's Brood in ''TabletopGame/VampireTheRequiem''. [[SubvertedTrope ...unless you happen to have their book]], which shows them to be more of a Gnostic ReligionOfEvil that views the chaos they cause as needed for their enlightenment, and quite capable of subtlety and patience if the situation calls for it. In fact, the ''pneuma'' (soul-focused) factions are actually all about subtlety and patience-the Nameless are primarily researchers and scholars, while the Mercy Seat regards playing TheCorrupter as a holy mission.

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** The ''TabletopGame/NewWorldOfDarkness'' has its share as well, most notably Belial's Brood in ''TabletopGame/VampireTheRequiem''. [[SubvertedTrope ...unless Unless you happen to have their book]], which shows them to be more of a Gnostic [[UsefulNotes/{{Gnosticism}} Gnostic]] ReligionOfEvil that views the chaos they cause as needed for their enlightenment, and quite capable of subtlety and patience if the situation calls for it. In fact, the ''pneuma'' (soul-focused) factions are actually all about subtlety and patience-the patience -- the Nameless are primarily researchers and scholars, while the Mercy Seat regards playing TheCorrupter as a holy mission.



** The Neverborn's punishments of the Deathlords when they don't preform to their satisfactions, mainly, not destroying all of creation, even if they can destroy most of it. The Neverborn's punishments have proven so brutal that the Deathlords actually hesitate to carry out their plans because they so afraid of their masters that they won't try any plans unless they are absolutely sure they will work. Granted, the Neverborn were not exactly sane even in life as Primordials, and being dead has unhinged them even more. The fact that they aren't too smart is hardly surprising.

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** The Neverborn's punishments of the Deathlords when they don't preform perform to their satisfactions, mainly, not destroying all of creation, even if they can destroy most of it. The Neverborn's punishments have proven so brutal that the Deathlords actually hesitate to carry out their plans because they so afraid of their masters that they won't try any plans unless they are absolutely sure they will work. Granted, the Neverborn were not exactly sane even in life as Primordials, and being dead has unhinged them even more. The fact that they aren't too smart is hardly surprising.



** In [[TheBadGuyWins New Phyrexia]] this seems to be the role of the black mana Phyrexians. Blue, green and white all seek the creation of a more perfect creature or society, respectively through [[EvilutionaryBiologist research]], [[TheSocialDarwinist accelerated evolution]], or [[ReligionOfEvil spiritual purity]]. Red keeps the world running through [[TokenGoodTeammate construction and forging]]. Black...[[TheStarscream fights amongst itself over who gets to be in charge of their faction]]. Anything actually useful they contribute is pretty much just a side effect of their infighting.

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** In [[TheBadGuyWins New Phyrexia]] Phyrexia]], this seems to be the role of the black mana Phyrexians. Blue, green green, and white all seek the creation of a more perfect creature or society, respectively through [[EvilutionaryBiologist research]], [[TheSocialDarwinist accelerated evolution]], or [[ReligionOfEvil spiritual purity]]. Red keeps the world running through [[TokenGoodTeammate construction and forging]]. Black... [[TheStarscream fights amongst itself over who gets to be in charge of their faction]]. Anything actually useful they contribute is pretty much just a side effect of their infighting.in-fighting.



* ''TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings'' SealedEvilInACan villain, Iuchiban, was eventually revealed to be this. After twice nearly conquering the empire through subtle infiltration, relying heavily on his enemies not even realizing his existence, [[IdiotPlot he trumpets his third return in blatantly evil style]] by [[KickTheDog murdering a ki-rin spirit]].

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* ''TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings'' ''TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings''[='=] SealedEvilInACan villain, Iuchiban, was eventually revealed to be this. After twice nearly conquering the empire through subtle infiltration, relying heavily on his enemies not even realizing his existence, [[IdiotPlot he trumpets his third return in blatantly evil style]] by [[KickTheDog murdering a ki-rin spirit]].



* ''Theatre/DoctorFaustus''. You made a DealWithTheDevil to have magic powers in exchange for taking your soul in a few short years... really, why act surprised? [[WhatAnIdiot What did you THINK was going to happen?]] To make matters worse, he [[CardCarryingVillain insists he's beyond redemption]] despite theologians and an ''actual angel'' telling him that's impossible, and even as he's about to be DraggedOffToHell he just makes a speech begging to be given more time to repent, even though he could just repent then and there and save himself.

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* ''Theatre/DoctorFaustus''. You made a DealWithTheDevil to have magic powers in exchange for taking your soul in a few short years... really, why act surprised? [[WhatAnIdiot What did you THINK was going to happen?]] To make matters worse, he [[CardCarryingVillain insists he's beyond redemption]] despite theologians and an ''actual angel'' telling him that's impossible, and even as he's about to be DraggedOffToHell DraggedOffToHell, he just makes a speech begging to be given more time to repent, even though he could just repent then and there and save himself.



* ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'''s Master Xehanort, despite his CrazyPrepared-ness, is ultimately this due to his actual goals. He believes that Light and Darkness must be equal... in the Realm of '''''Light''''', mind you, whereas the Realm of '''''Darkness''''' ends up being the sole beneficiary of his countless immoral experiments -- thus invoking NotHelpingYourCase against his beliefs right from the get-go. It also makes Master Eraqus, despite his KnightTemplar and PoorCommunicationKills moments, seem ProperlyParanoid by comparison. Basically, Xehanort wants to fix something that's already worked for what seems to be millennia, and he only gets worse with each subsequent game. And throughout it all, he seems to have no real motivation beyond just wanting to see what would happen.
** The plans of the villains in general would often go off without a hitch if the villains themselves showed a little subtlety and didn't present an obvious target instead of simply [[KickTheDog Kicking The Dog]] at every opportunity and all but screaming "WE DID THAT!" The only reason anybody realized Master Xehanort is behind everything in ''Birth By Sleep'' and knows of his plan to obtain the X-Blade is because he and Vanitas outright tell them late in the game for no real reason, giving Ventus every reason NOT to fight Vanitas instead of just blindly attacking him, and Terra and Aqua cause to try to bring down Xehanort, which partially derails both.

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* ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep'''s ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep''[='=]s Master Xehanort, despite his CrazyPrepared-ness, is ultimately this due to his actual goals. He believes [[BalanceBetweenGoodAndEvil that Light and Darkness must be equal...equal]]... in the Realm of '''''Light''''', mind you, whereas the Realm of '''''Darkness''''' ends up being the sole beneficiary of his countless immoral experiments -- thus invoking NotHelpingYourCase against his beliefs right from the get-go. It also makes Master Eraqus, despite his KnightTemplar and PoorCommunicationKills moments, seem ProperlyParanoid by comparison. Basically, Xehanort wants to fix something that's already worked for what seems to be millennia, and he only gets worse with each subsequent game. And throughout it all, he seems to have no real motivation beyond just wanting to see what would happen.
** The plans of the villains in general would often go off without a hitch if the villains themselves showed a little subtlety and didn't present an obvious target instead of simply [[KickTheDog Kicking The Dog]] at every opportunity and all but screaming "WE DID THAT!" The only reason anybody realized Master Xehanort is behind everything in ''Birth By Sleep'' and knows of his plan to obtain the X-Blade is because he and Vanitas outright tell them late in the game for no real reason, giving Ventus every reason NOT ''not'' to fight Vanitas instead of just blindly attacking him, and Terra and Aqua cause to try to bring down Xehanort, which partially derails both.



* ''VideoGame/{{Doom 3}}'''s Dr. Malcolm Betruger, who apparently has no actual motive for attempting to transform Earth into Hell and its people into screaming demon-fodder. It is implied, however, that he has been possessed or is in some way controlled by the demons.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Doom 3}}'''s 3}}''[='=]s Dr. Malcolm Betruger, who apparently has no actual motive for attempting to transform Earth into Hell and its people into screaming demon-fodder. It is implied, however, that he has been possessed or is in some way controlled by the demons.



** The textbook video game example is Morrigan, from ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''. She's ''supposed'' to come off as merely practical and ruthless--but given that she actively suggests you screw over other people whom you need to defeat the Blight, encourages betrayal and being a prick to people whose aid you need, and in general, just being a snarky asshole, she comes off as Stupid Evil. Most telling is her support for the option to invoke the Right of Annulment on the tower mages despite she herself being a mage who hates templars; she justifies it with some SocialDarwinist cod philosophy, but she really just seems to enjoy whichever course of action results in the most people being killed. Also, [[TheDragon Arl Howe]] definitely qualifies. While he thinks he's being a MagnificentBastard, he actually is just a SmugSnake who makes ridiculously bad decisions simply because they are the most evil option available. Arl Eamon even lampshades this by saying that Howe is the type of man who will [[KickTheDog kick a puppy]] for fun.
** In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' practically every mage resorts to this mentality with the slightest provocation. Most are brought up being constantly taught that [[TheCorrupter demons are bad]] and that [[DealWithTheDevil bargaining with them NEVER works out in a mage's favour]]. Despite this they seem to instantly resort to blood magic and turning themselves into [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abominations]] at the first chance they get. This is especially obvious if the player character is a mage, since many with still turn into abominations to fight you even if you agree with their plans. Even the charming and sensitive [[spoiler: Anders cheerfully sparks off a city-wide genocide]]. (Keep in mind, however, that mages are already oppressed and their human rights heavily circumscribed, usually from a young age, by the same people who tell them these things. Their situation mirrors ''many'' real-life insurgent movements.)

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** The textbook video game example is Morrigan, from ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''. She's ''supposed'' to come off as merely practical and ruthless--but ruthless -- but given that she actively suggests you screw over other people whom you need to defeat the Blight, encourages betrayal and being a prick to people whose aid you need, and in general, just being a snarky asshole, she comes off as Stupid Evil. Most telling is her support for the option to invoke the Right of Annulment on the tower mages despite she herself being a mage who hates templars; she justifies it with some SocialDarwinist cod philosophy, but she really just seems to enjoy whichever course of action results in the most people being killed. Also, [[TheDragon Arl Howe]] definitely qualifies. While he thinks he's being a MagnificentBastard, he actually is just a SmugSnake who makes ridiculously bad decisions simply because they are the most evil option available. Arl Eamon even lampshades this by saying that Howe is the type of man who will [[KickTheDog kick a puppy]] for fun.
** In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'' ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII'', practically every mage resorts to this mentality with the slightest provocation. Most are brought up being constantly taught that [[TheCorrupter demons are bad]] and that [[DealWithTheDevil bargaining with them NEVER works out in a mage's favour]]. Despite this this, they seem to instantly resort to blood magic and turning themselves into [[EldritchAbomination eldritch abominations]] at the first chance they get. This is especially obvious if the player character is a mage, since many with will still turn into abominations to fight you even if you agree with their plans. Even the charming and sensitive [[spoiler: Anders [[spoiler:Anders cheerfully sparks off a city-wide genocide]]. (Keep in mind, however, that mages are already oppressed and their human rights heavily circumscribed, usually from a young age, by the same people who tell them these things. Their situation mirrors ''many'' real-life insurgent movements.)



* In ''VideoGame/{{Colonization}}'', when you [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution make a Declaration of Independence from your European homeland]], [[TheEmperor your monarch]] will send the well armed [[EliteMooks Royal Expeditionary Force]] to quash your rebellion and bring you back under the thumb of {{the empire}}. Part of their undoing will involve them attacking natives in the way, including well fortified Inca and Aztec cities, resulting in the Royal Expeditionary Force being despised by the {{Native Americans}} and losing a large number of ground military units.
* The fal'cie of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII''. Their primary method of influencing events on Cocoon is to choose random humans and grant them magical powers, along with a specific goal to accomplish within a certain time limit. They do this by giving the human, called a "l'cie" the vaguest possible clue as to their "focus" in the form of a vision of a person or place with no additional information. If the l'cie fails, they turn into a zombie, if the succeed, they turn into stone. The initial explanation is that fal'cie are so far advanced beyond humans that this is the only way they can communicate, and clear, direct instructions are impossible. For reference, when the protagonists try to work out their own focus, they come up with two completely opposite, yet both equally valid ''and'' equally wrong guesses. However [[spoiler:it is later revealed that the fal'cie can not only understand humans perfectly, but can assume human form and speak to humans directly in plain language. And it turns out that one of them is the ruler of Cocoon. So, rather than simply choose one of their loyal servants from among Cocoon's military, the fal'cie instead abduct random civilians and]] decide to achieve their goals through the most inefficient and failure-prone method possible, just to torture random people along the way.
* Can be played straight, {{Averted}} or even {{Subverted}} in the first two ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' games. While it's quite possible to go through the games killing nearly everything that breathes, many of the "evil" sidequests can be accomplished without wholesale slaughter or [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]] malice, and many of the "good" sidequests can be solved ''with'' needlessly violent acts as well. Need to get a hostage from the slavers? Don't bother negotiating a deal that benefits everyone, or seducing the leader. You can just kill them all! An [[Literature/SwordOfTruth evil-pacifist]] run isn't entirely impossible, just annoyingly difficult. In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' the most ideal ending for New Reno, where it stops being a WretchedHive and becomes somewhere you'd actually want to ''live'', is gained by wantonly killing everyone save the Wrights (and not becoming a made man with the Wrights, since this will lead to the Wrights using the military tech in the Sierra Army Base to create a military dictatorship). Or you can simply cloak and dagger tactics to eliminate the heads, each being a case of being HoistByTheirOwnPetard (Each New Reno head have a way to die without pissing off their fellow family members.
** The Enclave in ''Fallout 2'' are Stupid Evil to the core, with an arbitrarily, absurdly broad definition of who is a "mutant", which seems to more serve as an excuse to [[OmnicidalManiac kill everyone else in the world]] with a genocide virus. The oil rig has fewer than a thousand people in it, so the Enclave lack the numbers to [[SummersFamilyTree maintain enough genetic diversity to survive]]. They're so bad the ''Fallout 3'' Enclave, notoriously poorly-written antagonists, seem ''reasonable'' by comparison.
** The Vault-Tec Corporation from the game's backstory. Most of their Vaults weren't actually supposed to save anyone, rather they were traps to perform cruel experiments on the survivors, such as blasting white noise into the ears of musicians, forcing inhabitants to perform HumanSacrifice in exchange for not killing the entire Vault population (which turned out to be a SecretTestOfCharacter) or submitting people to a Virtual Reality Hell. It is ostensibly ForScience, but that research is not only ''worthless'' in the aftermath of a nuclear war, but also drastically reduces an already shrunken gene pool for the human race.
* A common criticism of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' is that, while the game allows you to play "good", "neutral" or "evil" characters, the Karma system much more frequently gives you "good" points for completing quests. It's virtually impossible to become "evil" or even remain "neutral" by playing just the main quest. Therefore, the only way to be recognized by the game as "evil" is to be an unthinking sociopath, literally going out of your way to be a dick, paying no attention to what you're actually supposed to be doing, and in the process engaging in numerous acts that are unnecessarily risky. Some of the main quest "evil" choices make no sense even from the perspective of immoral self-aggrandizement and can only be justified by misanthropic, psychopathic stupidity. The extra caps given for doing the evil options are usually a pittance and in many cases even major rewards aren't worthwhile. What's more valuable? A house in a well placed settlement on several major routes throughout the wasteland (good reward) or an apartment on the extreme edge of nowhere that is under siege by ghouls (evil reward)? (This is even assuming you find and reach the evil option entirely on the other side of the game map before completing what is essentially the very first sub-quest in the entire game.) And the evil choice presented in the main quest endgame is incredibly idiotic ''in-game'' for you to do. It's well past psychopathic into suicidal. It's a PressXToDie option. Granted, without Broken Steel, you died having to deal with the repercussions, but the main character, and non-spoiled players, didn't know that would happen. And Broken Steel let you live with that choice. (Resulting in a lot of confused forum messages by players who weren't paying attention to the plot and wanted to know why [[spoiler:drinking water killed them]].) Broken Steel even took it further and added ''another'' choice like the aforementioned one. You either destroy the new Enclave base like you're supposed to, [[spoiler: or destroy the eastern Brotherhood of Steel, who have done nothing but help you and were keeping the Wasteland from being overrun by Super Mutants. And even if you destroy the Brotherhood, the Enclave still hates you. Add that to the leftover Paladins trying to kill you, and suddenly that unique pistol you picked out of the Citadel's rubble doesn't seem worth it.]]

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* In ''VideoGame/{{Colonization}}'', when you [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution make a Declaration of Independence from your European homeland]], [[TheEmperor your monarch]] will send the well armed well-armed [[EliteMooks Royal Expeditionary Force]] to quash your rebellion and bring you back under the thumb of {{the empire}}. Part of their undoing will involve them attacking natives in the way, including well fortified well-fortified Inca and Aztec cities, resulting in the Royal Expeditionary Force being despised by the {{Native Americans}} and losing a large number of ground military units.
* The fal'cie of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXIII''. Their primary method of influencing events on Cocoon is to choose random humans and grant them magical powers, along with a specific goal to accomplish within a certain time limit. They do this by giving the human, called a "l'cie" "l'cie", the vaguest possible clue as to their "focus" in the form of a vision of a person or place with no additional information. If the l'cie fails, they turn into a zombie, zombie; if the they succeed, they turn into stone. The initial explanation is that fal'cie are so far advanced beyond humans that this is the only way they can communicate, and clear, direct instructions are impossible. For reference, when the protagonists try to work out their own focus, they come up with two completely opposite, yet both equally valid ''and'' equally wrong guesses. However However, [[spoiler:it is later revealed that the fal'cie can not only understand humans perfectly, but can assume human form and speak to humans directly in plain language. And it turns out that one of them is the ruler of Cocoon. So, rather than simply choose one of their loyal servants from among Cocoon's military, the fal'cie instead abduct random civilians and]] decide to achieve their goals through the most inefficient and failure-prone method possible, just to torture random people along the way.
* Can be played straight, {{Averted}} {{Averted}}, or even {{Subverted}} in the first two ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' games. While it's quite possible to go through the games killing nearly everything that breathes, many of the "evil" sidequests can be accomplished without wholesale slaughter or [[KickTheDog dog-kicking]] malice, and many of the "good" sidequests can be solved ''with'' needlessly violent acts as well. Need to get a hostage from the slavers? Don't bother negotiating a deal that benefits everyone, or seducing the leader. You can just kill them all! An [[Literature/SwordOfTruth evil-pacifist]] run isn't entirely impossible, just annoyingly difficult. In ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'' 2}}'', the most ideal ending for New Reno, where it stops being a WretchedHive and becomes somewhere you'd actually want to ''live'', is gained by wantonly killing everyone save the Wrights (and not becoming a made man with the Wrights, since this will lead to the Wrights using the military tech in the Sierra Army Base to create a military dictatorship). Or you can simply use cloak and dagger tactics to eliminate the heads, each being a case of being HoistByTheirOwnPetard (Each (each New Reno head have has a way to die without pissing off their fellow family members.
members).
** The Enclave in ''Fallout 2'' are Stupid Evil to the core, with an arbitrarily, absurdly broad definition of who is a "mutant", which seems to more serve more as an excuse to [[OmnicidalManiac kill everyone else in the world]] with a genocide virus. The oil rig has fewer than a thousand people in it, so the Enclave lack the numbers to [[SummersFamilyTree maintain enough genetic diversity to survive]]. They're so bad the ''Fallout 3'' Enclave, notoriously poorly-written antagonists, seem ''reasonable'' by comparison.
** The Vault-Tec Corporation from the game's backstory. Most of their Vaults weren't actually supposed to save anyone, rather anyone; rather, they were traps to perform cruel experiments on the survivors, such as blasting white noise into the ears of musicians, forcing inhabitants to perform HumanSacrifice in exchange for not killing the entire Vault population (which turned out to be a SecretTestOfCharacter) SecretTestOfCharacter), or submitting people to a Virtual Reality Hell. It is ostensibly ForScience, but that research is not only ''worthless'' in the aftermath of a nuclear war, but also drastically reduces an already shrunken gene pool for the human race.
* A common criticism of ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' is that, while the game allows you to play "good", "neutral" "neutral", or "evil" characters, the Karma system much more frequently gives you "good" points for completing quests. It's virtually impossible to become "evil" or even remain "neutral" by playing just the main quest. Therefore, the only way to be recognized by the game as "evil" is to be an unthinking sociopath, literally going out of your way to be a dick, paying no attention to what you're actually supposed to be doing, and in the process engaging in numerous acts that are unnecessarily risky. Some of the main quest "evil" choices make no sense even from the perspective of immoral self-aggrandizement and can only be justified by misanthropic, psychopathic stupidity. The extra caps given for doing the evil options are usually a pittance and in many cases even major rewards aren't worthwhile. What's more valuable? A house in a well placed well-placed settlement on several major routes throughout the wasteland (good reward) or an apartment on the extreme edge of nowhere that is under siege by ghouls (evil reward)? (This is even assuming you find and reach the evil option entirely on the other side of the game map before completing what is essentially the very first sub-quest in the entire game.) And the evil choice presented in the main quest endgame is incredibly idiotic ''in-game'' for you to do. It's well past psychopathic into suicidal. It's a PressXToDie option. Granted, without Broken Steel, you died having to deal with the repercussions, but the main character, and non-spoiled players, didn't know that would happen. And Broken Steel let you live with that choice. (Resulting in a lot of confused forum messages by players who weren't paying attention to the plot and wanted to know why [[spoiler:drinking water killed them]].) Broken Steel even took it further and added ''another'' choice like the aforementioned one. You either destroy the new Enclave base like you're supposed to, [[spoiler: or [[spoiler:or destroy the eastern Brotherhood of Steel, who have done nothing but help you and were keeping the Wasteland from being overrun by Super Mutants. And even if you destroy the Brotherhood, the Enclave still hates you. Add that to the leftover Paladins trying to kill you, and suddenly that unique pistol you picked out of the Citadel's rubble doesn't seem worth it.]]



** New Vegas also featured Fallout 3's weird bits of random karma for killing certain [=NPCs=]. In particular before being patched, killing randomly encountered(fixed location, but they respawn) Fiends would give you something ridiculous like +100 Karma per kill. If you've spent the entire game as the sickest bastard in the Mojave, your first trip down the west side of outer New Vegas can turn you into a saint in as little as two shootouts.
* ''VideoGame/StreetFighter'' has M. Bison. Not only does he aspire to TakeOverTheWorld, not only does he routinely tell the hero that soon he will be invincible, he also routinely betrays '''his own freaking underlings''', most of whom would be perfectly happy serving him if they continue being paid (Balrog) or if they get to keep fighting/killing (Sagat and Vega). Incidentally, Bison's lackeys usually turn against him and kill him in their (generally non-canon) endings. Bison turning his henchmen is mostly in non-canon stories. The canon cases we have is Sagat turning on him due him having moral issues about Bison's attempted GrandTheftMe with Ryu, and the other case we with Seth, who is a Starscream.
* [[MegaCorp The Umbrella Corporation]] from ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'', though not as single-minded and suicidally dumb as its aforementioned film counterpart, still can't escape the fact that all the money poured into viral research, sprawling underground laboratories scattered across the world, kidnapping countless test subjects, and covering their tracks vastly outweighs any profit they could have made selling their bioweapons to interested parties - not to mention the constant risk that their viruses will get out and cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, as has already come close to happening ''multiple times''.
** Saddler and his Los Illuminados cult from ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil4''. The first time Leon runs into the guy, Saddler outlines his plan to return an infected Ashley back to her father and inject him with a parasite, giving Saddler the means to take over the U.S. Government. Clearly, he needs her alive to accomplish this, and yet there are dozens of times Leon will have to save her from enemies and traps that will kill her ass dead. More than half of these instances are scripted and some even have cutscenes to go with them, proving it's not simply a case of GameplayAndStorySegregation. Saddler also establishes that he has direct control over all his {{Mooks}}, so if any of them do manage to kill Ashley and utterly wreck his plan, ''it's his own stupid fault!'' And just to put the icing on it, in order for Saddler's plan to succeed, he didn't have to do ''anything''. Keep your mouth shut about Ashley's infection, let Leon "rescue" her, ''bam''. Mission Accomplished. Saddler's stated reason for actively preventing Leon from inadvertently aiding his goals? [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat He wants to squeeze the President for ransom money]], apparently not realizing that if his main goal is achieved, he'd have free access to ''the entire '''U.S. Treasury.'''''

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** New Vegas also featured Fallout 3's weird bits of random karma for killing certain [=NPCs=]. In particular before being patched, killing randomly encountered(fixed encountered (fixed location, but they respawn) Fiends would give you something ridiculous like +100 Karma per kill. If you've spent the entire game as the sickest bastard in the Mojave, your first trip down the west side of outer New Vegas can turn you into a saint in as little as two shootouts.
* ''VideoGame/StreetFighter'' has M. Bison. Not only does he aspire to TakeOverTheWorld, not only does he routinely tell the hero that soon he will be invincible, he also routinely betrays '''his own freaking underlings''', most of whom would be perfectly happy serving him if they continue being paid (Balrog) or if they get to keep fighting/killing (Sagat and Vega). Incidentally, Bison's lackeys usually turn against him and kill him in their (generally non-canon) endings. Bison turning his henchmen is mostly in non-canon stories. The canon cases we have is are Sagat turning on him due him having moral issues about Bison's attempted GrandTheftMe with Ryu, and the other case we with Seth, who is a Starscream.
* [[MegaCorp The Umbrella Corporation]] from ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil'', though not as single-minded and suicidally dumb as its aforementioned film counterpart, still can't escape the fact that all the money poured into viral research, sprawling underground laboratories scattered across the world, kidnapping countless test subjects, and covering their tracks vastly outweighs any profit they could have made selling their bioweapons to interested parties - -- not to mention the constant risk that their viruses will get out and cause TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, as has already come close to happening ''multiple times''.
** Saddler and his Los Illuminados cult from ''VideoGame/ResidentEvil4''. The first time Leon runs into the guy, Saddler outlines his plan to return an infected Ashley back to her father and inject him with a parasite, giving Saddler the means to take over the U.S. Government. Clearly, he needs her alive to accomplish this, and yet there are dozens of times Leon will have to save her from enemies and traps that will kill her ass dead. More than half of these instances are scripted and some even have cutscenes to go with them, proving it's not simply a case of GameplayAndStorySegregation. Saddler also establishes that he has direct control over all his {{Mooks}}, so if any of them do manage to kill Ashley and utterly wreck his plan, ''it's his own stupid fault!'' And just to put the icing on it, in order for Saddler's plan to succeed, he didn't have to do ''anything''. Keep your mouth shut about Ashley's infection, let Leon "rescue" her, ''bam''. Mission Accomplished. Saddler's stated reason for actively preventing Leon from inadvertently aiding his goals? [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat He wants to squeeze the President for ransom money]], apparently not realizing that if his main goal is achieved, he'd have free access to ''the entire '''U.S. Treasury.''''' '''''
** Well, supposedly, he wants to squeeze the President for ransom money so he's not suspicious about the circumstances of Ashley's "safe return". This is assuming that anyone in the U.S. has any idea what Las Plagas is.



* Most of the things you have to do to get [[KarmaMeter 100% corruption]] in ''VideoGame/{{Overlord}}'' are just ForTheEvulz and grant no practical benefit. The most {{egregious}} being the last peasant-killing requirement, which can only be reached by repeatedly reloading one of the town areas to spawn more villagers to kill. The sequel's 100% destruction path is the same. Among other things, requiring you to kill off all the people in your own towns instead of making them work for you. Since the game is not that serious, however, it's not that much of an issue. In the original overlord you had evil vs good, where evil is a mix of a lot of destruction with a little domination. In the sequel you are evil, and your meter is "destruction" vs "conquest". Enslaving people is "conquest", slaughtering towns is "destruction". In the sequel you are not actually forced to be stupid evil if you don't want to.
* Many of the options for "Closed Fist" in ''VideoGame/JadeEmpire'' fell under "Kill people or trick them into killing others or themselves just because you can." However, more memorably and in something of a subversion, many of them actually offered the opportunity to provide interesting justifications; you might not just kill the fox spirit protecting a forest because you could, but because her weakness in allowing evil to taint it was a sign she wasn't fit to guard it anymore... or have a girl who was about to be sold into slavery kill her would-be buyer to teach her that freedom is worth fighting for. On the other hand, most of the Closed Fist choices of have absolutely nothing to do with the philosophy. It is worth noting that if you get your Closed Fist meter to maximum, the dogs which can be seen walking around the city become targetable. Yes, once you're pure dang nasty evil, you really can KickTheDog.

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* Most of the things you have to do to get [[KarmaMeter 100% corruption]] in ''VideoGame/{{Overlord}}'' are just ForTheEvulz and grant no practical benefit. The most {{egregious}} being the last peasant-killing requirement, which can only be reached by repeatedly reloading one of the town areas to spawn more villagers to kill. The sequel's 100% destruction path is the same. Among other things, requiring you to kill off all the people in your own towns instead of making them work for you. Since the game is not that serious, however, it's not that much of an issue. issue.
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In the original overlord Overlord, you had evil vs good, where evil is a mix of a lot of destruction with a little domination. In the sequel sequel, you are evil, and your meter is "destruction" vs "conquest". Enslaving people is "conquest", slaughtering towns is "destruction". In the sequel sequel, you are not actually forced to be stupid evil if you don't want to.
* Many of the options for "Closed Fist" in ''VideoGame/JadeEmpire'' fell under "Kill people or trick them into killing others or themselves just because you can." However, more memorably and in something of a subversion, many of them actually offered the opportunity to provide interesting justifications; you might not just kill the fox spirit protecting a forest because you could, but because her weakness in allowing evil to taint it was a sign she wasn't fit to guard it anymore... or have a girl who was about to be sold into slavery kill her would-be buyer to teach her that freedom is worth fighting for. On the other hand, most of the Closed Fist choices of have absolutely nothing to do with the philosophy. It is worth noting that if you get your Closed Fist meter to maximum, the dogs which can be seen walking around the city become targetable. Yes, once you're pure dang nasty evil, you really can KickTheDog.



** And the game ends with [[spoiler: destroying the entire world, including yourself.]] The main character certainly doesn't care, though. In their own words: [[WorthIt "Who cares? It was fun."]]

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** And the game ends with [[spoiler: destroying [[spoiler:destroying the entire world, including yourself.]] yourself]]. The main character certainly doesn't care, though. In their own words: [[WorthIt "Who cares? It was fun."]]



* The VideoGame/BaldursGate series in general. Most often, the 'evil' dialogue and quest choices have you acting like a big JerkAss to everyone you meet, for no good reason. And the rewards are usually worse than if you'd taken the 'good' path.

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* The VideoGame/BaldursGate ''VideoGame/BaldursGate'' series in general. Most often, the 'evil' dialogue and quest choices have you acting like a big JerkAss to everyone you meet, for no good reason. And the rewards are usually worse than if you'd taken the 'good' path.



** ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' has probably the dumbest idea when you have the fight between your party member Samara and her evil daughter Morinth. A very high-score Renegade has the option of siding with Morinth over Samara and having her take her place in your crew. While this doesn't have any huge repercussions for the player, as Morinth is completely loyal and doesn't betray you (unless [[TooDumbToLive you]] [[DeathBySex decide to seduce her]]), it's still an incredibly dumb idea from a logical standpoint. Samara is a justicar fanatically devoted to her code and has sworn her on her life to aid you (until the oath expires, which you can plan for ahead of time), Morinth is a serial killer that had just tried to murder you for fun. You have no reason to trust Morinth and every reason to trust Samara, so there is really no practical reason for Shepard to side with Morinth. That said, if you're ''really'' deep into the Renegade zone, Samara will outright tell Shepard that she'll kill him/her as soon as their mission is complete, making the decision to preemptively murder her by proxy potentially come across more as ruthless pragmatism.
** A low-score Renegade Shepard may be the best example, as not only will their overly aggressive dialogue fall flat on its face and fail to intimidate anyone, the only way to really get a low score in Paragon or Renegade is to alternate answers. It's no wonder s/he can't intimidate people, s/he probably just made some compassionate overtures, then said something bigoted, then over threats and then back to compassionate. Aria will even call out a Shepard who does this in the ''Omega'' DLC of the third game and wonder if Shepard is simply {{Trolling}} her.
** Occasionally appears in the third game. Some of the Renegade options are openly harmful to Shepard's ability to stop the Reapers, although most are just more ruthless approaches, and some can even be contextually the superior option (for example, screwing the krogan over stops being the bad option if things have gone badly enough that doing so is a guaranteed fresh Krogan Rebellions as opposed to a Krogan Renaissance, but to get to that point you had to already have taken multiple Renegade actions that ultimately cost you more than you'd have gotten had you gone Paragon).
%%* ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights'' (and its related expansions) works like this when it comes to the Good/Evil alignment axis. It's almost impossible to gain evil points unless you kill anyone who looks at you a little bit funny, regardless of the number of witnesses or your own personal credo. Meanwhile, performing any kind of altruistic act -- even for nefarious or selfish purposes -- will have you racking up the Good points. Unfortunately, this is one of the major weaknesses of alignment in ''NWN'', in that most characters end up as dog-kicking evil, or good. Almost no subtle, selfish evil, and it's very hard to maintain a neutral character over a long (series) of modules.%%
* ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights2'' expansion Mask of the Betrayer introduced a mechanic of "soul consuming". Your character is given the option to suppress the urge (lawful & good points on alignment meter) or indulge in it (evil and chaotic points on alignment meter). Suppressing / consuming happens at regular intervals of real time. Indulging actually increases the rate of hunger generation, should you indulge, your hunger will grow enough to consume your own soul, ending the game permanently and requiring that you restart the entire game from the beginning or a far enough ago save where you can still salvage it via suppression. The consume path is thus nearly impossible to play to completion unless you do a speed run. This means almost everyone suppresses and are 100% Good/Lawful despite being utterly evil in their choices. A patch was released to resolve this situation by making suppression not affect your alignment.
** The original game featured this in its evil ending, where, if you're of Evil alignment, the [[FinalBoss King of Shadows]] gives you the option to join him. Understand that at this point, you've slaughtered your way through his entire top brass, he's responsible for everything bad that's happened to you, and you not only have [[InfinityPlusOneSword everything needed to kill him]], but massive rewards waiting right back home. Understand also that it's only ''you'' who gets the offer, and all of your companions are strongly against the idea, and five minutes ago, you just killed at least one of them for accepting a similar offer. Accepting it results in all your surviving companions, bar [[TokenEvilTeammate Bishop]] if he's somehow still alive, turning on you, while you're within melee range and outnumbered considerably (if you've gone out of your way to alienate your companions, you're facing at minimum six, if you've stayed in their good books you'll be looking at nine). Understand that this is [[ThatOneBoss by far the hardest fight in the game]], and far harder than just killing the final boss. Unless you really, really hate your companions, there's absolutely no reason to take his offer aside from it being evil - though, fortunately for you, the King of Shadows at least keeps to his word if you somehow ''do'' win.

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** ''VideoGame/MassEffect2'' has probably the dumbest idea when you have the fight between your party member Samara and her evil daughter Morinth. A very high-score Renegade has the option of siding with Morinth over Samara and having her take her place in your crew. While this doesn't have any huge repercussions for the player, as Morinth is completely loyal and doesn't betray you (unless [[TooDumbToLive you]] [[DeathBySex decide to seduce her]]), it's still an incredibly dumb idea from a logical standpoint. Samara is a justicar fanatically devoted to her code and has sworn her on her life to aid you (until the oath expires, which you can plan for ahead of time), Morinth is a serial killer {{serial killer}} that had just tried to murder you for fun. You have no reason to trust Morinth and every reason to trust Samara, so there is really no practical reason for Shepard to side with Morinth. That said, if you're ''really'' deep into the Renegade zone, Samara will outright tell Shepard that she'll kill him/her as soon as their mission is complete, making the decision to preemptively murder her by proxy potentially come across more as ruthless pragmatism.
** A low-score Renegade Shepard may be the best example, as not only will their overly aggressive dialogue fall flat on its face and fail to intimidate anyone, the only way to really get a low score in Paragon or Renegade is to alternate answers. It's no wonder s/he can't intimidate people, people; s/he probably just made some compassionate overtures, then said something bigoted, then over threats and then back to compassionate. Aria will even call out a Shepard who does this in the ''Omega'' DLC of the third game and wonder if Shepard is simply {{Trolling}} her.
** Occasionally appears in the third game. Some of the Renegade options are openly harmful to Shepard's ability to stop the Reapers, although most are just more ruthless approaches, and some can even be contextually the superior option (for example, screwing the krogan over stops being the bad option if things have gone badly enough that not doing so is a guaranteed fresh Krogan Rebellions Rebellion as opposed to a Krogan Renaissance, but to get to that point point, you had to already have taken multiple Renegade actions that ultimately cost you more than you'd have gotten had you gone Paragon).
%%* * ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights'' (and its related expansions) works like this when it comes to the Good/Evil alignment axis. It's almost impossible to gain evil points unless you kill anyone who looks at you a little bit funny, regardless of the number of witnesses or your own personal credo. Meanwhile, performing any kind of altruistic act -- even for nefarious or selfish purposes -- will have you racking up the Good points. Unfortunately, this is one of the major weaknesses of alignment in ''NWN'', in that most characters end up as dog-kicking evil, or good. Almost no subtle, selfish evil, and it's very hard to maintain a neutral character over a long (series) of modules.%%
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* ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights2'' ''VideoGame/NeverwinterNights2''[='=]s expansion Mask of the Betrayer introduced a mechanic of "soul consuming". Your character is given the option to suppress the urge (lawful & good points on alignment meter) or indulge in it (evil and chaotic points on alignment meter). Suppressing / consuming happens at regular intervals of real time. Indulging actually increases ''increases'' the rate of hunger generation, generation; should you indulge, your hunger will grow enough to consume your own soul, [[NonStandardGameOver ending the game permanently game]] [[FinalDeath permanently]] and requiring that you restart the entire game from the beginning or a far enough ago save where you can still salvage it via suppression. The consume path is thus nearly impossible to play to completion unless you do a speed run. This means almost everyone suppresses and are 100% Good/Lawful despite being utterly evil in their choices. A patch was released to resolve this situation by making suppression not affect your alignment.
** The original game featured this in its evil ending, where, if you're of Evil alignment, the [[FinalBoss King of Shadows]] gives you the option to join him. Understand that at this point, you've slaughtered your way through his entire top brass, he's responsible for everything bad that's happened to you, and you not only have [[InfinityPlusOneSword everything needed to kill him]], but massive rewards waiting right back home. Understand also that it's only ''you'' who gets the offer, and all of your companions are strongly against the idea, and five minutes ago, you just killed at least one of them for accepting a similar offer. Accepting it results in all your surviving companions, bar [[TokenEvilTeammate Bishop]] if he's somehow still alive, turning on you, while you're within melee range and outnumbered considerably (if you've gone out of your way to alienate your companions, you're facing at minimum six, if you've stayed in their good books you'll be looking at nine). Understand that this is [[ThatOneBoss by far the hardest fight in the game]], and far harder than just killing the final boss. Unless you really, really hate your companions, there's absolutely no reason to take his offer aside from it being evil - -- though, fortunately for you, the King of Shadows at least keeps to his word if you somehow ''do'' win.



** The Sith on Korriban are little more than a bunch of violent bullies with force powers. Even one of the masters is actively encouraging hypothetical decisions like executing a loyal subordinate for an explicitly minor and insignificant mistake, or backstabbing a competent superior to take his place, despite the implication that he does a far better job than you could ever do. His answer to the logical counterargument that a capable commanding officer is a valuable asset to the Sith and killing him would be counterproductive? FORCE LIGHTNING! One of the disciples actually switches sides after realizing that he just signed up because he likes bullying people and ended up with a bunch of freaks that do a far better job.
** The Sith on Korriban's way of thinking is a problem that follows the Sith throughout the StarWarsExpandedUniverse. The Sith insist that conflict amongst themselves strengthens them because it weeds out the weak from their ranks, but this philosophy come off as SocialDarwinism at best, and renders itself extremely susceptible to Stupid Evil madmen ruining everything. In fact, the main conflict of the game between Revan and Malak could be seen as an example of how vulnerable the Sith are rendered by their own tenets.
** KOTOR's BigBad Darth Malak heavily suffers from this. Everyone you talk to says he's little more than a lunatic that does nothing but throw the endless fleet the Star Forge provides him with at the enemy, and he lives up to that since the first time we see him he orders and orbital bombardment to level an entire planet just because he was impatient about his army's progress with looking for one Jedi. It is even shared by other Siths, who regards him as an embarrassment and failure, stating that the circumstances under which he betrayed his master, Revan, was unbecoming of a Sith Lord, as it was just an act of sheer opportunism and not a show of strength. This is a rare case where being Stupid Evil makes the villain ''more'' threatening, not less. The fact that Malak is such a psycho and now has supply to the Star Forge, means that there isn't anything holding him back from nuking the galaxy into a new dark age.
** Darth Revan, Malak's former master, completely averted this. [[TheChessmaster Revan was an extremely pragmatic and calculating individual]], striking key positions, assassinating select individuals with very subtle strategies and never doing more damage than needed to be done, attempting to keep the galactic stability in place for when the takeover was completed. The brilliance of his strategic thinking made him nearly unstoppable, until Malak betrayed him and started undoing everything Revan had worked for with his blunt brute force approach. And while maxing out the Dark Side KarmaMeter would require you to commit idiotic acts of evil for the heck of it, it is in fact entirely possible to play as a Pragmatic or even AntiVillain who's virtually indistinguishable from the Revan of old.

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** The Sith on Korriban are little more than a bunch of violent bullies with force powers. Even one of the masters is actively encouraging hypothetical decisions like [[YouHaveFailedMe executing a loyal subordinate for an explicitly minor and insignificant mistake, mistake]], or [[TheStarscream backstabbing a competent superior to take his place, place]], despite the implication that he does a far better job than you could ever do. His answer to the logical counterargument that a capable commanding officer is a valuable asset to the Sith and killing him would be counterproductive? FORCE LIGHTNING! One of the disciples actually switches sides after realizing that he just signed up because he likes bullying people and ended up with a bunch of freaks that do a far better job.
** The Sith on Korriban's way of thinking is a problem that follows the Sith throughout the StarWarsExpandedUniverse. The Sith insist that conflict amongst themselves strengthens them because it weeds out the weak from their ranks, but this philosophy come comes off as SocialDarwinism at best, and renders itself extremely susceptible to Stupid Evil madmen ruining everything. In fact, the main conflict of the game between Revan and Malak could be seen as an example of how vulnerable the Sith are rendered by their own tenets.
** KOTOR's BigBad Darth Malak heavily suffers from this. Everyone you talk to says he's little more than a lunatic that does nothing but throw the endless fleet the Star Forge provides him with at the enemy, and he lives up to that that, since the first time we see him him, he orders and an orbital bombardment to level an entire planet just because he was impatient about his army's progress with looking for one Jedi. It is even shared by other Siths, Sith, who regards regard him as an embarrassment and failure, stating that the circumstances under which he betrayed his master, Revan, was unbecoming of a Sith Lord, as it was just an act of sheer opportunism and not a show of strength. This is a rare case where being Stupid Evil makes the villain ''more'' threatening, not less. The fact that Malak is such a psycho and now has supply access to the Star Forge, Forge means that there isn't anything holding him back from nuking the galaxy into a new dark age.
** Darth Revan, Malak's former master, completely averted this. [[TheChessmaster Revan was an extremely pragmatic and calculating individual]], striking key positions, assassinating select individuals with very subtle strategies strategies, and never doing more damage than needed to be done, attempting to keep the galactic stability in place for when the takeover was completed. The brilliance of his strategic thinking made him nearly unstoppable, until Malak betrayed him and started undoing everything Revan had worked for with his blunt brute force approach. And while maxing out the Dark Side KarmaMeter would require you to commit idiotic acts of evil for the heck of it, it is in fact entirely possible to play as a Pragmatic or even AntiVillain who's virtually indistinguishable from the Revan of old.



** On the other hand, there are moments when you are forced to learn how bad Lawful Stupid and Chaotic Stupid are by the mechanism of only giving you those options. No matter how subtle a villain you are, when a beggar asks if you have any spare change, [[StupidityIsTheOnlyOption your only options]] are giving him money or threatening to kill him. Which means it's lecture time from Kreia, and she won't be telling you to just keep walking and avoid eye contact.
** In ''Videogame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' Overseer Tremel will actually call you on this during one of the opening quests for the Sith Warrior if you decided to kill a spy that the Empire had taken prisoner instead of taking the light side points by sparing her life in return for her service to Imperial Intelligence. If you kill her Tremel basically tells you to [[PragmaticVillainy never waste someone who could be of use to you.]]
*** Indeed, many if not most of the Dark Side options in TOR veer towards this trope -- when they're not just the only pragmatic ones, making the Light Side Dark Side contrast rather chaotic sometimes.
*** The playerbase seems to feel this as well, especially when it comes to [[WouldNotHurtAChild two quest options that involve kids being killed]]. Two early quests for Republic and Imperial players involve the dark side choice killing kids. [[EvenEvilHasStandards even dark sided players]] find themselves unwilling to strand about 20 kids on wartorn Ord Mantell, or leave sabotaged piece of equipment that will kill kids on Balmorra. Balmorra requires special mention - since the game does give you a chance to call out the person who told you to leave the bombs on the battlefield, he [[FacePalm flat out says that killing kids is the point]], and even despite [[JerkassHasAPoint pointing out that you were disobeying orders and actually harmed your side slightly by using a different method]], that wasn't enough to convince people otherwise.

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** On the other hand, there are moments when you are forced to learn how bad Lawful Stupid LawfulStupid and Chaotic Stupid ChaoticStupid are by the mechanism of only giving you those options. No matter how subtle a villain you are, when a beggar asks if you have any spare change, [[StupidityIsTheOnlyOption your only options]] are giving him money or threatening to kill him. Which means it's lecture time from Kreia, and she won't be telling you to just keep walking and avoid eye contact.
** In ''Videogame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'' ''Videogame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'', Overseer Tremel will actually call you on this during one of the opening quests for the Sith Warrior if you decided to kill a spy that the Empire had taken prisoner instead of taking the light side points by sparing her life in return for her service to Imperial Intelligence. If you kill her her, Tremel basically tells you to [[PragmaticVillainy never waste someone who could be of use to you.]]
*** Indeed, many if not most of the Dark Side options in TOR veer towards this trope -- when they're not just the only pragmatic ones, making the Light Side Dark Side[=/=]Dark Side contrast rather chaotic sometimes.
*** The playerbase seems to feel this as well, especially when it comes to [[WouldNotHurtAChild two quest options that involve kids being killed]]. Two early quests for Republic and Imperial players involve the dark side choice killing kids. [[EvenEvilHasStandards even Even dark sided players]] find themselves unwilling to strand about 20 kids on wartorn Ord Mantell, or leave a sabotaged piece of equipment that will kill kids on Balmorra. Balmorra requires special mention - -- since the game does give you a chance to call out the person who told you to leave the bombs on the battlefield, he [[FacePalm flat out says that killing kids is the point]], and even despite [[JerkassHasAPoint pointing out that you were disobeying orders and actually harmed your side slightly by using a different method]], that wasn't enough to convince people otherwise.



* If you decide to venture down the path of Corruption in ''VideoGame/DawnOfWar 2: Chaos Rising'', you'll end up doing things this way most of the time. For example, the very first atrocity to commit is to blow up the city gates thus leaving it unprotected...OR you can walk ten meters aside and open the gates with a switch. Every time corruption points are awarded for lingering with a mission, rest assured that you will have to actually ''wait'' for the timer to expire twiddling thumbs two steps away from the objective. Tainted wargear is just moderately better then the "clean" one so it'll be more like "damn, Cyrus' corruption level is low! Ok, what can I give him to fix things up?" And powers of Chaos, while great, have such long cooldowns it makes them essentially TooAwesomeToUse, so they too will be mostly used for they corrupting potential.
** This is made even worse by the fact that which ever one of your characters has the highest corruption, except for the Commander, will turn out to be the traitor, so having high corruption on somebody valuable (notably [[GameBreaker Cyrus]]) can completely screw you over because you lose them for the final mission, which includes ThatOneBoss.

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* If you decide to venture down the path of Corruption in ''VideoGame/DawnOfWar 2: Chaos Rising'', you'll end up doing things this way most of the time. For example, the very first atrocity to commit is to blow up the city gates gates, thus leaving it unprotected...unprotected... OR you can walk ten meters aside and open the gates with a switch. Every time corruption points are awarded for lingering with a mission, rest assured that you will have to actually ''wait'' for the timer to expire twiddling thumbs two steps away from the objective. Tainted wargear is just moderately better then the "clean" one one, so it'll be more like "damn, Cyrus' corruption level is low! Ok, what can I give him to fix things up?" And powers of Chaos, while great, have such long cooldowns it makes them essentially TooAwesomeToUse, so they too will be mostly used for they the corrupting potential.
** This is made even worse by the fact that which ever whichever one of your characters has the highest corruption, except for the Commander, will turn out to be the traitor, so having high corruption on somebody valuable (notably [[GameBreaker Cyrus]]) can completely screw you over because you lose them for the final mission, which includes ThatOneBoss.



* Admiral De Loco from ''VideoGame/SkiesOfArcadia''. Unlike the BigBad, he's not in it to [[VisionaryVillain make the world a better place]], and unlike some of the other admirals he's not a PunchClockVillain or in it for the fringe benefits. He just plain likes burning things and hurting people, and working for TheEmpire gives him plenty of opportunity. While he is [[AxCrazy clearly bugfuck insane]] and often lets his passion for pain and his vendetta against [[TheProtagonist Vyse]] get in the way of making the right decisions, his position as the chief of Valua's research and development division is the only reason they don't just [[ThrownOutTheAirlock jettison him]]. [[AndThereWasMuchRejoicing And nobody gave a damn]] [[KilledOffForReal when his ship blew up in the Vortex after his last battle]].

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* Admiral De Loco from ''VideoGame/SkiesOfArcadia''. Unlike the BigBad, he's not in it to [[VisionaryVillain make the world a better place]], and unlike some of the other admirals admirals, he's not a PunchClockVillain or in it for the fringe benefits. He just plain likes burning things and hurting people, and working for TheEmpire gives him plenty of opportunity. While he is [[AxCrazy clearly bugfuck insane]] and often lets his passion for pain and his vendetta against [[TheProtagonist Vyse]] get in the way of making the right decisions, his position as the chief of Valua's research and development division is the only reason they don't just [[ThrownOutTheAirlock jettison him]]. [[AndThereWasMuchRejoicing And nobody gave a damn]] [[KilledOffForReal when his ship blew up in the Vortex after his last battle]].



** Moloch's ending somewhat counts as well. Yes he is a lumbering, towering, destructive demon from hell, but his non canonical ending in ''Armageddon'' reinforces that stereotype by telling that he would gain so much power and rage, becoming the ultimate destroyer, but in his stupidity and haste to unleash his power straight away, he destroys all portals to escape the realm he is in, and thus is unable to inflict his wrath upon other worlds.

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** Moloch's ending somewhat counts as well. Yes Yes, he is a lumbering, towering, destructive demon from hell, but his non canonical non-canonical ending in ''Armageddon'' reinforces that stereotype by telling that he would gain so much power and rage, becoming the ultimate destroyer, but in his stupidity and haste to unleash his power straight away, he destroys all portals to escape the realm he is in, and thus is unable to inflict his wrath upon other worlds.



* ''Inotia 4: Assasin of Berkel''. The Berkelen Empire wants to go to a "holy war" with the empire of Arnen just for the heck of bloodshed. That in itself is isn't that bad, but then they dispatch an entire army and risk sending hundreds of elite knights to their deaths, even risking sending them through a faulty portal gate which will cost them several lives, only to track down and murder one helpless woman because she refused to read war propaganda in public. There's probably some social commentary here but as these things usually turn out, it's so incredibly naive and detached from reality that it's impossible to take seriously.
* While Megatron in ''VideoGame/TransformersWarForCybertron'' was some evil moments that would easily lead on question his leadership quality, [[TheStarscream Starscream]] in [[VideoGame/TransformersFallOfCybertron the sequel]] puts him to shame when he actually manages to briefly lead the Decepticons. After Starscream blunders an assault on a huge Autobot energon transport, he orders the mission called off even though the [[BadassCrew Combaticons]] are still in the fight and making progress, and succeed in bringing down the transport. Starscream berates them destroying half the energon from crashing, and when they point out that the Autobots would have gotten all of it if they did nothing and point out Starscream's incompetence, he has them arrested for talking back to him.
* ''VideoGame/AlphaProtocol'' averts this, for the most part. The game has no KarmaMeter, and most choices are more questions of values than morals. Even the more straightforward "evil" choices are more ruthlessly pragmatic (you execute an enemy because you don't want to risk letting them live, or let an arms dealer go free so you can get more intel from him). There are, however, some Stupid Evil actions you can take, such as massacring everyone at a party for absolutely no reason, or abandoning valuable intel to rescue an ally from a villain who plans to kill them, and then immediately killing them anyway. However, all significant choices give you different "perks," so there may be some benefit to a player who takes such actions, even if they are still Stupid Evil in universe.

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* ''Inotia 4: Assasin of Berkel''. The Berkelen Empire wants to go to a "holy war" with the empire of Arnen just for the heck of bloodshed. That in itself is isn't that bad, [[WeHaveReserves but then they dispatch an entire army and risk sending hundreds of elite knights to their deaths, deaths]], even risking sending them through a faulty portal gate which will cost them several lives, only to track down and murder one helpless woman because she refused to read war propaganda in public. There's probably some social commentary here here, but as these things usually turn out, it's so incredibly naive and detached from reality that it's impossible to take seriously.
* While Megatron in ''VideoGame/TransformersWarForCybertron'' was Has some evil moments that would easily lead on one to question his leadership quality, [[TheStarscream Starscream]] in [[VideoGame/TransformersFallOfCybertron the sequel]] puts him to shame when he actually manages to briefly lead the Decepticons. After Starscream blunders an assault on a huge Autobot energon transport, he orders the mission called off even though the [[BadassCrew Combaticons]] are still in the fight and making progress, and succeed in bringing down the transport. Starscream berates them for destroying half the energon from crashing, and when they point out that the Autobots would have gotten all of it if they did nothing and point out Starscream's incompetence, he has them arrested for talking back to him.
* ''VideoGame/AlphaProtocol'' averts this, for the most part. The game has no KarmaMeter, and most choices are more questions of values than morals. Even the more straightforward "evil" choices are more ruthlessly pragmatic (you execute an enemy because you don't want to risk letting them live, or let an arms dealer go free so you can get more intel from him). There are, however, some Stupid Evil actions you can take, such as massacring everyone at a party for absolutely no reason, or abandoning valuable intel to rescue an ally from a villain who plans to kill them, and then immediately killing them anyway. However, all significant choices give you different "perks," so there may be some benefit to a player who takes such actions, even if they are still Stupid Evil in universe.in-universe.



** Although it's still stupid, he reveals in the Patch 5.4 trailer that he WANTS the world to come after him so he can lay waste to all his enemies with his newfound power and rule the world with his "True Horde." Three guesses how well that works for him.

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** Although it's still stupid, he reveals in the Patch 5.4 trailer that he WANTS ''wants'' the world to come after him so he can lay waste to all his enemies with his newfound power and rule the world with his "True Horde." Three guesses how well that works for him.



* The Scrapper decisions in ''VideoGame/EpicMickey'' yield much fewer benefits than the Hero decisions. If you consistently let Mickey perform good deeds, Oswald and the rest of the townsfolk in Wasteland will rally behind Mickey, shower him with rewards, and lend him a helping hand whenever they can. On the other hand, being an overall dick to everyone will invoke the hatred of the people Mickey meets, not only locking him out of helpful benefits but also out of ''more'' story content (including pieces of the ending).

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* The Scrapper decisions in ''VideoGame/EpicMickey'' yield much fewer benefits than the Hero decisions. If you consistently let Mickey perform good deeds, Oswald and the rest of the townsfolk in Wasteland will rally behind Mickey, shower him with rewards, and lend him a helping hand whenever they can. On the other hand, being an overall dick to everyone will invoke the hatred of the people Mickey meets, not only locking him out of helpful benefits benefits, but also out of ''more'' story content (including pieces of the ending).



** Exdeath in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV''. In the second act, he comes across as a competent if theatrical adversary - commanding an army and winning, tricking the heroes into releasing him and getting a party member KilledOffForReal. Unfortunately, the third act started with him gaining the power of the Void, which theoretically allows him to end all existence - his ultimate goal. He then proceeds to use this power mainly to teleport to the heroes' location and sling insults at them. He potshots various areas of the map into vanishing, but only does this to settlements which have no value, like Bartz's birthplace and [[KickTheDog the Moogles' village]], in order to upset the heroes - passing over destroying the castle where the only weapons capable of defeating him are stored, or the city containing an army that's been fighting him ever since he emerged. He pulls a BadBoss on his underling Gilgamesh, who [[BunnyEarsLawyer had fairly successful at slowing down the heroes, despite his quirky personality, despite his failure to actually stop them]], but still finds the time to pick a fight with a turtle and lose.
** Sephiroth in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' can control Jenova pieces to make perfect recreations of his body (with his fighting abilities and that can fly), and he's followed by a group of subservient Clone cultists who seek to do his bidding, yet he somehow manages to lose control of the Black Materia repeatedly. His apparent reason for doing this is so he can lure Cloud into doing it for him, with his sole motivation being to torture Cloud - which makes sense early in the game when you assume Sephiroth is TheRival, but Sephiroth doesn't even recognise Cloud at first and makes it clear he barely even knows who he is, meaning he inhibited his own plan just to pick on some rando. That's to say nothing of all the times he threw his 'puppet', Cloud, into direct physical danger that could have ended up in either a Jenova piece or Cloud getting killed. Or the time he decided to explain crucial details of his plan to Cloud before ''throwing a Materia at him'' and zooming away with his mouth open.
* As [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech pointed out]] by Sly in the ending of ''VideoGame/SlyCooperThievesInTime'' the entire plot of the game, which led to not only the villain's defeat but also the fall of his criminal empire, is because [[BigBad Cyrille Le Paradox]] was a ''massive'' idiot! [[spoiler: He was already a highly regarded art collector and dealer as well as trafficker of stolen artifacts which he used to acquire a large fortune, with his crimes going unnoticed by both Sly ''and'' Interpol.]] Unfortunately, he targeted the Cooper Clan [[spoiler: and tried to "prove" he was French royalty as revenge for his father going to jail]] in order to prove that he was the better thief, all to satisfy his own pride, which directly resulted in him losing everything he had spent his life building up on.

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** Exdeath in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV''. In the second act, he comes across as a competent if theatrical adversary - -- commanding an army and winning, tricking the heroes into releasing him him, and getting a party member KilledOffForReal. Unfortunately, the third act started with him gaining the power of the Void, which theoretically allows him to end all existence - -- his ultimate goal. He then proceeds to use this power mainly to teleport to the heroes' location and sling insults at them. He potshots various areas of the map into vanishing, but only does this to settlements which have no value, like Bartz's birthplace and [[KickTheDog the Moogles' village]], in order to upset the heroes - -- passing over destroying the castle where the only weapons capable of defeating him are stored, or the city containing an army that's been fighting him ever since he emerged. He pulls a BadBoss on his underling Gilgamesh, who [[BunnyEarsLawyer had was fairly successful at slowing down the heroes, despite his quirky personality, despite his failure to actually stop them]], but still finds the time to pick a fight with a turtle and lose.
** Sephiroth in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' can control Jenova pieces to make perfect recreations of his body (with his fighting abilities and that can fly), and he's followed by a group of subservient Clone cultists who seek to do his bidding, yet he somehow manages to lose control of the Black Materia repeatedly. His apparent reason for doing this is so he can lure Cloud into doing it for him, with his sole motivation being to torture Cloud - -- which makes sense early in the game when you assume Sephiroth is TheRival, but Sephiroth doesn't even recognise Cloud at first and makes it clear he barely even knows who he is, meaning he inhibited his own plan just to pick on some rando. That's to say nothing of all the times he threw his 'puppet', Cloud, into direct physical danger that could have ended up in either a Jenova piece or Cloud getting killed. Or the time he decided to explain crucial details of his plan to Cloud before ''throwing a Materia at him'' and zooming away with his mouth open.
* As [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech pointed out]] by Sly in the ending of ''VideoGame/SlyCooperThievesInTime'' ''VideoGame/SlyCooperThievesInTime'', the entire plot of the game, which led to not only the villain's defeat but also the fall of his criminal empire, is because [[BigBad Cyrille Le Paradox]] was a ''massive'' idiot! [[spoiler: He [[spoiler:He was already a highly regarded art collector and dealer as well as trafficker of stolen artifacts artifacts, which he used to acquire a large fortune, with his crimes going unnoticed by both Sly ''and'' Interpol.]] Unfortunately, he targeted the Cooper Clan [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and tried to "prove" he was French royalty as revenge for his father going to jail]] in order to prove that he was the better thief, all to satisfy his own pride, which directly resulted in him losing everything he had spent his life building up on.up.



* The culprit of the very first case in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'' has no reason whatsoever to pin the crime on Larry. He had no connection with him ''or'' the victim, he simply needed to silence a witness of another crime. However he testifies that he saw Larry do it and ends up SayingTooMuch when cross-examined revealing to be the killer. Had he just left and pretended he has nothing to do with the case no one would've connected him to the crime.

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* The culprit of the very first case in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorney'' has no reason whatsoever to pin the crime on Larry. He had no connection with him ''or'' the victim, he simply needed to silence a witness of another crime. However However, he testifies that he saw Larry do it and ends up SayingTooMuch when cross-examined cross-examined, revealing him to be the killer. Had he just left and pretended he has had nothing to do with the case case, no one would've connected him to the crime.



* In ''Webcomic/LookingForGroup'', Richard started out like this. In fact he's still like this a lot. It helped with him being undead and a powerful sorcerer, not having to suffer any real consequences for his actions - although the other party members certainly did. Later revealed that his Stupid Evil acts DO have a point though. [[spoiler: If he doesn't continually kill innocents, he loses his powers. ''All'' of his powers. His undeath (i.e. his immortality, inability to feel pain, and ease of regeneration) ''and'' his magic.]] His insane actions are shown to be [[spoiler:a bit of a facade, as he's ''aware'' he's doing evil things, but he is doing them in hope for the Greater Good. The crazier he acts the less responsibility he has to take for his actions, and the less clearly he remembers his old self.]]
** Later in the comics he mellows out the evil without drawback [[spoiler: since he is supposed to save innocent for power now]] but the problem is he is still an idiot and he will still do Jerkass acts for fun or if angered. Turns out he is insane but it's a question of degree.

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* In ''Webcomic/LookingForGroup'', Richard started out like this. In fact fact, he's still like this a lot. It helped with him being undead and a powerful sorcerer, not having to suffer any real consequences for his actions - -- although the other party members certainly did. Later It's later revealed that his Stupid Evil acts DO ''do'' have a point point, though. [[spoiler: If [[spoiler:If he doesn't continually kill innocents, he loses his powers. ''All'' of his powers. His undeath (i.e. his immortality, inability to feel pain, and ease of regeneration) ''and'' his magic.]] His insane actions are shown to be [[spoiler:a bit of a facade, as he's ''aware'' he's doing evil things, but he is doing them in hope for the Greater Good. The crazier he acts acts, the less responsibility he has to take for his actions, and the less clearly he remembers his old self.]]
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** Later in the comics comics, he mellows out the evil without drawback [[spoiler: since drawbacks, [[spoiler:since he is supposed to save innocent innocents for power now]] now]], but the problem is he is still an idiot and he will still do Jerkass {{Jerkass}} acts for fun or if angered. Turns out he is insane insane, but it's a question of degree.



** [[HeroicComedicSociopath Belkar]] is a great example because he's not just evil in a stupid way, he's evil ''because'' he's stupid. When Vaarsuvius cast a wisdom-boosting spell on him, he swore off evil and needless killing. Then V dismissed the spell and he ran off to kill things. However, he had a vision/hallucination of Lord Shojo which has seemingly convinced him to avoid this; if he's a bit more selective with his carnage and act as if he's playing by everyone else's rules (in his word "faking CharacterDevelopment"), he can get people to stop hating him and possibly even [[ManipulativeBastard get them to do what he wants]]. Considering the setting (Dungeons and Dragons), Belkar is eerily effective at times compared to more intelligent and less stab-happy people. Belkar may also be smarter than he looks, as shown when he did a pretty effective job of dismantling Miko despite her ridiculous combat proficiency. He is defeated off-camera. Of course, then he was just as stupid as you'd expect when the little hole in his resurrection plan is pointed out. There are some hints, however, that his development may turn out to be genuine, such as [[spoiler:seeming to lament that hurting people is all he's good at after insulting Roy out of a breakdown due to Durkon's vampirification.]]

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** [[HeroicComedicSociopath Belkar]] is a great example because he's not just evil in a stupid way, he's evil ''because'' he's stupid. When Vaarsuvius cast a wisdom-boosting spell on him, he swore off evil and needless killing. Then V dismissed the spell and he ran off to kill things. However, he had a vision/hallucination of Lord Shojo which has seemingly convinced him to avoid this; if he's a bit more selective with his carnage and act as if he's playing by everyone else's rules (in his word word, "faking CharacterDevelopment"), he can get people to stop hating him and possibly even [[ManipulativeBastard get them to do what he wants]]. Considering the setting (Dungeons and Dragons), Belkar is eerily effective at times compared to more intelligent and less stab-happy people. Belkar may also be smarter than he looks, as shown when he did a pretty effective job of dismantling Miko despite her ridiculous combat proficiency. He is defeated off-camera. Of course, then he was just as stupid as you'd expect when the little hole in his resurrection plan is pointed out. There are some hints, however, that his development may turn out to be genuine, such as [[spoiler:seeming to lament that hurting people is all he's good at after insulting Roy out of a breakdown due to Durkon's vampirification.]]vampirification]].



* Minor villain, Jaxon, in ''Webcomic/DominicDeegan'' is in the middle of a chaotic and extremely dangerous wilderness when he decides to stab his boss and go hunting for a [[FriendlyNeighbourhoodVampire monster]] that completely outclass him. Later, while wounded, he decides to attack the unscathed main character. He's either classic Stupid Evil or just [[TooDumbToLive suicidal]].
* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' gives us Bangladesh Dupree. Her attempts to follow orders inevitably add a lot of "kill people" between the lines. On a more specific note, she has to be beaten unconscious so she stops trying to kill the guy trying to keep the airship they're on from being destroyed. In all fairness, she was dazed, delirious and barely awake, and he had recently broken her jaw. And he did ''that'' because she attacked him when she saw him dragging her unconscious boss through the halls. Bang also (surprise) [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120118 sees Klaus]] as some sort of a [[ParentalSubstitute father figure]], so she might have been trying to protect him. In her case it's sometimes hard to tell motivated violence from [[AxCrazy unmotivated]]. She's the girl who [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061101 complains]] about orders to not burn any towns and then adds "even if a town really ''[[ZombieApocalypse needed]]'' burning".
* In ''Webcomic/YetAnotherFantasyGamerComic'' when princess Dewcup tries to join the Drow because EvilIsCool, she [[http://yafgc.net/comic/0158-definitions-of-bad/ got a thing or two mixed up]].

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* Minor villain, Jaxon, in ''Webcomic/DominicDeegan'' is in the middle of a chaotic and extremely dangerous wilderness when he decides to stab his boss and go hunting for a [[FriendlyNeighbourhoodVampire monster]] that completely outclass outclasses him. Later, while wounded, he decides to attack the unscathed main character. He's either classic Stupid Evil or just [[TooDumbToLive suicidal]].
* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'' gives us Bangladesh Dupree. Her attempts to follow orders inevitably add a lot of "kill people" between the lines. On a more specific note, she has to be beaten unconscious so she stops trying to kill the guy trying to keep the airship they're on from being destroyed. In all fairness, she was dazed, delirious delirious, and barely awake, and he had recently broken her jaw. And he did ''that'' because she attacked him when she saw him dragging her unconscious boss through the halls. Bang also (surprise) [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120118 sees Klaus]] as some sort of a [[ParentalSubstitute father figure]], so she might have been trying to protect him. In her case case, it's sometimes hard to tell motivated violence from [[AxCrazy unmotivated]]. She's the girl who [[http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061101 complains]] about orders to not burn any towns and then adds "even if a town really ''[[ZombieApocalypse needed]]'' burning".
* In ''Webcomic/YetAnotherFantasyGamerComic'' ''Webcomic/YetAnotherFantasyGamerComic'', when princess Dewcup tries to join the Drow because EvilIsCool, she [[http://yafgc.net/comic/0158-definitions-of-bad/ got a thing or two mixed up]].



** [[SmugSnake Vriska]] arguably counts too - she will do everything up to and including [[spoiler:prototyping [[BigBad Jack Noir]] with a PhysicalGod]] just so that she can influence the story's events in some way.
** Caliborn starts as this but [[spoiler: [[TheReveal we learn]] that he [[TookALevelInBadass took a major level in badass]] and became the MagnificentBastard BigBad Lord English.]]

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** [[SmugSnake Vriska]] arguably counts too - -- she will do everything up to and including [[spoiler:prototyping [[BigBad Jack Noir]] with a PhysicalGod]] just so that she can influence the story's events in some way.
** Caliborn starts as this this, but [[spoiler: [[TheReveal [[spoiler:[[TheReveal we learn]] that he [[TookALevelInBadass took a major level in badass]] and became the MagnificentBastard BigBad Lord English.]]



* Discussed in this Cracked article of [[http://www.cracked.com/article_19498_the-5-most-needlessly-evil-movie-villain-strategies.html The 5 Most Needlessly Evil Movie Villain Strategies]]

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* Discussed in this Cracked article of [[http://www.cracked.com/article_19498_the-5-most-needlessly-evil-movie-villain-strategies.html The 5 Most Needlessly Evil Movie Villain Strategies]]Strategies.]]



** In one episode, Aku promises a genius scientist to spare his village if he will make some super-robots to destroy the title character for him. The scientist does so. After they are done, Aku decides to "test them" by destroying the scientist's village ''for no reason whatsoever''. This naturally leads to said scientist [[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal giving Jack the means to defeat these robots]]. Aku threw {{Villain Ball}}s around a lot; there were many occasions he successfully caught Jack but ultimately came out short due to his sadistic tendencies, be it stalling his execution in favor of a CoolAndUnusualPunishment or doublecrossing a NobleDemon that has the means to his escape for [[ForTheEvulz the sheer kick of it]].
** It's telling that Aku went for the direct killing blow exactly ''once'', [[spoiler:having beaten down Jack, pinned him with a massive claw, and was in the process of skewering with his own blade. Sadly (for Aku anyway) the blade simply goes 'plink' against Jack's skin, leaving Aku so shocked that his [[CrowningMomentOfFunny eyeball flames poof out]]. Turns out that, since Jack's blade was forged to fight the ultimate evil - AKU HIMSELF - it [[EmpathicWeapon couldn't hurt those who were pure of heart]]]]. Mind you, there was no reason to use that particular method instead of the rest of his lethal arsenal, other than it was kinda ironic. So yeah, even when Aku decides to [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim just kill him]], he ''still'' does it in a Stupid Evil way. [[spoiler: Ultimately, his defeat is brought upon by his own sadistic hubris. Having captured Jack in the penultimate episode, Aku begins the GrandFinale bragging about it to the world, then starts dithering over how he wants to execute his sworn nemesis. This gave Jack's allies just enough to time to pull a BigDamnHeroes, setting off a series of events that allows Jack to return to the past.]]

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** In one episode, Aku promises a genius scientist to spare his village if he will make some super-robots to destroy the title character for him. The scientist does so. After they are done, Aku decides to "test them" by destroying the scientist's village ''for no reason whatsoever''. This naturally leads to said scientist [[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal giving Jack the means to defeat these robots]]. Aku threw {{Villain Ball}}s around a lot; there were many occasions he successfully caught Jack but ultimately came out short due to his sadistic tendencies, be it stalling his execution in favor of a CoolAndUnusualPunishment or doublecrossing double-crossing a NobleDemon that has the means to his escape for [[ForTheEvulz the sheer kick of it]].
** It's telling that Aku went for the direct killing blow exactly ''once'', [[spoiler:having beaten down Jack, pinned him with a massive claw, and was in the process of skewering with his own blade. Sadly (for Aku Aku, anyway) the blade simply goes 'plink' against Jack's skin, leaving Aku so shocked that his [[CrowningMomentOfFunny eyeball flames poof out]]. Turns out that, since Jack's blade was forged to fight the ultimate evil - -- AKU HIMSELF - -- it [[EmpathicWeapon couldn't hurt those who were pure of heart]]]]. Mind you, there was no reason to use that particular method instead of the rest of his lethal arsenal, other than it was kinda ironic. So yeah, even when Aku decides to [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim just kill him]], he ''still'' does it in a Stupid Evil way. [[spoiler: Ultimately, [[spoiler:Ultimately, his defeat is brought upon by his own sadistic hubris. Having captured Jack in the penultimate episode, Aku begins the GrandFinale bragging about it to the world, then starts dithering over how he wants to execute his sworn nemesis. This gave Jack's allies just enough to time to pull a BigDamnHeroes, setting off a series of events that allows Jack to return to the past.]]



** Plunder, with his endangered animal hunting, seems to have basic greed as his ulterior motive as he seeks to cash in on his extreme poaching. This is the most sense that any villain makes on that show, and even then it's as one-dimensional as it gets.

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** Plunder, with his endangered animal hunting, seems to have basic greed as his ulterior motive motive, as he seeks to cash in on his extreme poaching. This is the most sense that any villain makes on that show, and even then it's as one-dimensional as it gets.



%%* In ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'', this is the reason why most of the Delightful Children From Down the Lane's plans fail, either because of their own incompetance or because of their dim view of the heroes' own intelligence. The worst part is, they are pots calling kettles black most of the time; they never get tired calling the Kids Next Door fools, when the truth is, their own intelligence can often be compared to that of a box of hammers. "Operation: F.L.A.V.O.R." and "Operation: U.N.D.E.R.C.O.V.E.R." are two of the best examples.%%

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%%* In ''WesternAnimation/CodenameKidsNextDoor'', this is the reason why most of the Delightful Children From Down the Lane's plans fail, either because of their own incompetance incompetence or because of their dim view of the heroes' own intelligence. The worst part is, they are pots calling kettles black most of the time; they never get tired calling the Kids Next Door fools, when the truth is, their own intelligence can often be compared to that of a box of hammers. "Operation: F.L.A.V.O.R." and "Operation: U.N.D.E.R.C.O.V.E.R." are two of the best examples.%%



'''Megavolt''' ''[Looks around nervously]'': Uh... Got one of those?

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'''Megavolt''' '''Megavolt:''' ''[Looks around nervously]'': Uh... Got one of those?



* In the GrandFinale of ''Transformers: WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', Megatron picks up the VillainBall by [[spoiler:deciding to kill the entirely helpless human village ''before'' the armed Maximals, and was attacked while waiting for it to recharge]]. To add insult to injury [[spoiler:somehow the attack failed, and it appeared the only ones who died were ''Quickstrike and Inferno'']].
* Dr Robotnik of ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAm'' leaned into this in later episodes. The guy savored polluting the earth and was vehement on destroying all sentient life or robotocizing it into a mindless slave, leaving him the only free willed being on earth, par his nephew and subordinate, [[YouHaveFailedMe who he was proved to find rather dispensable as well]] ). He also fell into other cliched VillainBall, capturing Sonic frequently and putting him in an easily escapable CoolAndUnusualPunishment, and regularly abusing his potentially dangerously skilled minions (in the comic adaption [[WhosLaughingNow Snively did indeed alter Robotnik's devices to kill him as revenge]]).

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* In the GrandFinale of ''Transformers: WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', Megatron picks up the VillainBall by [[spoiler:deciding to kill the entirely helpless human village ''before'' the armed Maximals, and was attacked while waiting for it to recharge]]. To add insult to injury injury, [[spoiler:somehow the attack failed, and it appeared the only ones who died were ''Quickstrike and Inferno'']].
* Dr Dr. Robotnik of ''WesternAnimation/SonicSatAm'' leaned into this in later episodes. The guy savored polluting the earth and was vehement on destroying all sentient life or robotocizing it into a mindless slave, leaving him the only free willed free-willed being on earth, par his nephew and subordinate, [[YouHaveFailedMe who he was proved to find rather dispensable as well]] ). well]]). He also fell into the other cliched VillainBall, capturing Sonic frequently and putting him in an easily escapable CoolAndUnusualPunishment, and regularly abusing his potentially dangerously skilled minions (in the comic adaption adaption, [[WhosLaughingNow Snively did indeed alter Robotnik's devices to kill him as revenge]]).



** Dick Dastardly is on the low end of evil, always wanting to cheat to win, but finds himself, despite pulling ahead numerous times, [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat stopping to try and sabotage the racers ability to race, despite having a huge lead]]. In the unaired pilot for ''WackyRaces Forever'', Dick gets ahead, takes a nap, has a conversation with his boss, disobeys a direct order to win because [[InsaneTrollLogic he's got it in his head that this was a coded message telling him to do the opposite,]] and then drives toward the other racers to try and [[ItMakesSenseInContext drive a giant cheese wedge into his opponents...]] despite being only a few feet from the finish line. Dastardly openly declares it's because he's a villain, so he ''has'' to cheat.

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** Dick Dastardly is on the low end of evil, always wanting to cheat to win, but finds himself, despite pulling ahead numerous times, [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat stopping to try and sabotage the racers racers' ability to race, despite having a huge lead]]. In the unaired pilot for ''WackyRaces Forever'', Dick gets ahead, takes a nap, has a conversation with his boss, disobeys a direct order to win because [[InsaneTrollLogic he's got it in his head that this was a coded message telling him to do the opposite,]] and then drives toward the other racers to try and [[ItMakesSenseInContext drive a giant cheese wedge into his opponents...]] despite being only a few feet from the finish line. Dastardly openly declares it's because he's a villain, so he ''has'' to cheat.



** There was another instance he almost won, but he just ''has'' to extend the nose of the Mean Machine to make sure he gets in first, resulting in him getting disqualified. Another time, he's one of the racers tied for the lead, until he hears it will be a photo finish, [[WhatAnIdiot causing him to immediately stop, get out of the car and pose.]]

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** There was another instance he almost won, but he just ''has'' to extend the nose of the Mean Machine to make sure he gets in first, resulting in him getting disqualified. Another time, he's one of the racers tied for the lead, until he hears it will be a photo finish, [[WhatAnIdiot causing him to immediately stop, get out of the car car, and pose.]]



** Starscream plays it up with all the arrogant gloating he does and his bad habit of thinking out loud - something which even Megatron has called him out on. He also thinks that every bot should bow down to him because he's in charge(or he thinks he should be), even if those bots tend to be twice his size and strength.

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** Starscream plays it up with all the arrogant gloating he does and his bad habit of thinking out loud - -- something which even Megatron has called him out on. He also thinks that every bot should bow down to him because he's in charge(or charge (or he thinks he should be), even if those bots tend to be twice his size and strength.



** Plankton, whose own evil schemes keep failing because of his own stupidity. He claims to be an evil genius yet he doesn't know some of the simplest things like snow and blinking.

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** Plankton, whose own evil schemes keep failing because of his own stupidity. He claims to be an evil genius genius, yet he doesn't know some of the simplest things like snow and blinking.



** Princess tends to do things like this a lot (combining this Trope with DidntThinkThisThrough more often than not), but her crowning moment of stupidity came when she bribed the Mayor into letting her be Mayor of Townsville, and then, making crime legal, hoping to put the Girls out of business. She was on cloud nine and Townsville was in a crisis - until someone robbed her father's mansion. Robbed him ''blind''. (Didn't count on your house, which was everyone knew was owned by a millionaire, being robbed once you made crime legal, did you, Princess?) With the three heroines unable to help her because of her own ill-conceived law, she was quick to revoke it, and then ''they'' were quick to round up every criminal in the act of breaking the law. But they didn't recover her property, [[BatmanGambit mainly because they were the ones who had robbed her.]] Once the Girls politely explain that you can't be held legally responsible for committing a crime if the "crime" is an action committed before a law officially made it illegal, the Girls are able to "convince" her to relinquish the town back to the mayor. Even worse, for Princess, it's implied that she's still punished by her father for what happened. (Of course, [[HarsherInHindsight in retrospect]], she had no idea [[Film/ThePurge what might have happened in such a situation...]])
** Thanks to a deal made by the Power Puff Girls, Mojo Jojo is allowed to wreak havoc across Townsville over and over with the Girls being allowed to eat 1 candy for each crime they stopped. Yet for no reason aside to be a dick, Mojo decides to betray them by stealing the Mayor's candy just because he finds it more fun than destroying Townsville despite the fact that they are the reason he even managed to get out of prison everytime. Unsurprisingly, this leads to Mojo getting the worst beating of their lives and would have even ''killed'' him if Blossom realize what they had done.

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** Princess tends to do things like this a lot (combining this Trope with DidntThinkThisThrough more often than not), but her crowning moment of stupidity came when she bribed the Mayor into letting her be Mayor of Townsville, and then, making crime legal, hoping to put the Girls out of business. She was on cloud nine and Townsville was in a crisis - -- until someone robbed her father's mansion. Robbed him ''blind''. (Didn't count on your house, which was everyone knew was owned by a millionaire, being robbed once you made crime legal, did you, Princess?) With the three heroines unable to help her because of her own ill-conceived law, she was quick to revoke it, and then ''they'' were quick to round up every criminal in the act of breaking the law. But they didn't recover her property, [[BatmanGambit mainly because they were the ones who had robbed her.]] Once the Girls politely explain that you can't be held legally responsible for committing a crime if the "crime" is an action committed before a law officially made it illegal, the Girls are able to "convince" her to relinquish the town back to the mayor. Even worse, for Princess, it's implied that she's still punished by her father for what happened. (Of course, [[HarsherInHindsight in retrospect]], she had no idea [[Film/ThePurge what might have happened in such a situation...]])
** Thanks to a deal made by the Power Puff Powerpuff Girls, Mojo Jojo is allowed to wreak havoc across Townsville over and over with the Girls being allowed to eat 1 candy for each crime they stopped. Yet for no reason aside to be a dick, Mojo decides to betray them by stealing the Mayor's candy just because he finds it more fun than destroying Townsville despite the fact that they are the reason he even managed to get out of prison everytime. every time. Unsurprisingly, this leads to Mojo getting the worst beating of their lives his life, and the girls would have even ''killed'' him if Blossom realize hadn't realized what they had done.were doing.



* ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' has Dr Draken, a self proclaimed evil scientist whose plans mostly involve stealing stuff from other scientists, and there are times that he doesn't even know what the thing he stole does, nor does he know how to use it properly.
* Played straight by a few of ''WesternAnimation/{{Exosquad}}'''s main characters, as well as a few throwaway characters. Notably general Typhonus who is irrational evil stupidity and bad timing has actually benefited his enemies more than anything. At one point, sent by Phaeton to sabotage any deal between Exofleet and the Pirate clans to unite them, but his betrayal of the pirate clans and kidnapping of their leader only serve to unite the factions into a new powerful force against his species.

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* ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' has Dr Dr. Draken, a self proclaimed self-proclaimed evil scientist whose plans mostly involve stealing stuff from other scientists, and there are times that he doesn't even know what the thing he stole does, nor does he know how to use it properly.
* Played straight by a few of ''WesternAnimation/{{Exosquad}}'''s main characters, as well as a few throwaway characters. Notably general Typhonus who is Typhonus, whose irrational evil stupidity and bad timing has actually benefited his enemies more than anything. At one point, sent by Phaeton to sabotage any deal between Exofleet and the Pirate clans to unite them, but his betrayal of the pirate clans and kidnapping of their leader only serve to unite the factions into a new powerful force against his species.
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Compare with LawfulStupid, ChaoticStupid, StupidNeutral and StupidGood. Contrast with PragmaticVillainy, when a villain only does evil things for practical reasons and refrains from doing them when they would be counter-productive. Also compare SanityHasAdvantages. If an antagonist momentarily becomes Stupid Evil, they've caught a VillainBall. See also DickDastardlyStopsToCheat, where a villain sabotages their own scheme by doing evil when they could've won by playing fair. If a character becomes aware of this trope and switches sides, see MoralPragmatist. For this trope's GoodCounterpart, see GoodIsDumb.

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Compare with LawfulStupid, ChaoticStupid, StupidNeutral StupidNeutral, and StupidGood. Contrast with PragmaticVillainy, when a villain only does evil things for practical reasons and refrains from doing them when they would be counter-productive. Also compare SanityHasAdvantages. If an antagonist momentarily becomes Stupid Evil, they've caught a VillainBall. See also DickDastardlyStopsToCheat, where a villain sabotages their own scheme by doing evil when they could've won by playing fair. If a character becomes aware of this trope and switches sides, see MoralPragmatist. For this trope's GoodCounterpart, see GoodIsDumb.



** Chaka, a low-level enforcer for the Washimine Clan, was so needlessly and gratuitously cruel and sadistic that it's truly a wonder that he didn't piss off the wrong people and get himself killed earlier. Among other things, he kidnapped the daughter of his employers with the intention of selling her into sexual slavery (and decided to strip her down to her underwear just for extra humiliation), tried to start a fight with someone who was ''way'' above his level just because he really wanted a duel, beat her noncombatant colleague just to try and get her to fight him after she made it clear that she couldn't care less about him, took the person he was going to sell and used her as a human shield, ran off and left a bunch of his men to get slaughtered by Revy and Ginji, shot several of his men just to vent his anger, and then tried to fight Revy yet ''again''. That last one wound up being what got him killed, as while she still had absolutely no intention of fighting him, she was all too happy to turn him over to Ginji, who [[ItsPersonal had every reason to go after him]] and wound up killing him swiftly and brutally.
* The Apostle Wyald in ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', A berserker who put so much effort into being a vicious sadist that he tried to kill Griffith, the one person he was absolutely not supposed to kill. When he's called on it, he mouths off to his superior, [[BloodKnight Zodd]], who tears Wyald in half for being such a moron.

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** Chaka, a low-level enforcer for the Washimine Clan, was so needlessly and gratuitously cruel and sadistic that it's truly a wonder that he didn't piss off the wrong people and get himself killed earlier. Among other things, he kidnapped the daughter of his employers with the intention of selling her into [[SexSlave sexual slavery slavery]] (and decided to strip her down to her underwear just for extra humiliation), tried to start a fight with someone who was ''way'' above his level just because he really wanted a duel, beat her noncombatant colleague just to try and get her to fight him after she made it clear that she couldn't care less about him, took the person he was going to sell and used her as a human shield, ran off and left a bunch of his men to get slaughtered by Revy and Ginji, shot several of his men just to vent his anger, and then tried to fight Revy yet ''again''. That last one wound up being what got him killed, as while she still had absolutely no intention of fighting him, she was all too happy to turn him over to Ginji, who [[ItsPersonal had every reason to go after him]] and wound up killing him swiftly and brutally.
* The Apostle Wyald in ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', A a berserker who put so much effort into being a vicious sadist that he tried to kill Griffith, the one person he was absolutely not supposed to kill. When he's called on it, he mouths off to his superior, [[BloodKnight Zodd]], who tears Wyald in half for being such a moron.



** Bellamy was little more than a sociopathic bully who terrorized an entire town with his crew with no real reason or goal; he just wanted to push his weight around and be as much of a dick as possible. Of course, he was also operating under the flag of the Warlord of the Sea Donquixote Doflamingo, who was NOT pleased to find out that he was being associated with Bellamy's idiocy, which led to Bellamy getting stabbed and kicked out of Doflamingo's gang. [[spoiler:He got ''much'' better over the {{Timeskip}} after he TookALevelInBadass and TookALevelInKindness, to the point Luffy actually considered him a friend and went [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge to town on Donflamingo]] after the Warlord played Bellamy for a fool and forced him him to fight Luffy to the death]].

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** Bellamy was little more than a sociopathic bully who terrorized an entire town with his crew with no real reason or goal; he just wanted to push his weight around and be as much of a dick as possible. Of course, he was also operating under the flag of the Warlord of the Sea Donquixote Doflamingo, who was NOT pleased to find out that he was being associated with Bellamy's idiocy, which led to Bellamy getting stabbed and kicked out of Doflamingo's gang. [[spoiler:He got ''much'' better over the {{Timeskip}} after he TookALevelInBadass and TookALevelInKindness, to the point Luffy actually considered him a friend and went [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge to town on Donflamingo]] after the Warlord played Bellamy for a fool and forced him him to fight Luffy to the death]].death.]]



*** Introduced in the Zou arc, he comes to Mokomo Dukedom, the country on Zou, looking for a specific individual their info said would be there. The residents state outright that they don't know the person he's asking for, but are willing to cooperate with his search in order to avoid trouble. Jack responds by siccing his underlings on them, destroying the country, and torturing them for information that, by all indications, they did not have. [[spoiler:In truth, they ''did'' know where to find who Jack was looking for, but were determined not to give it up, and Jack never discovered that nor had any hint to it]].

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*** Introduced in the Zou arc, he comes to Mokomo Dukedom, the country on Zou, looking for a specific individual their info said would be there. The residents state outright that they don't know the person he's asking for, but are willing to cooperate with his search in order to avoid trouble. Jack responds by siccing his underlings on them, destroying the country, and torturing them for information that, by all indications, they did not have. [[spoiler:In truth, they ''did'' know where to find who Jack was looking for, but were determined not to give it up, and Jack never discovered that nor had any hint to it]].it.]]



* Ribbons in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'' blows up his own allies, and replaces them with worthless kamikaze machines, that are a complete waste of technology and time and seem to serve no purpose other to make him look even more evil for using such weapons. Most of the atrocities his puppets committed early in the second season including blowing up a country or two were committed [[ForTheEvulz for no solid reason]].
* Prince Braunschweig from ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'' is an example when you put together a [[FeudalFuture corrupt nobility with a futuristic military]]. An example? When a protest breaks out on one of his planets, he immediately [[spoiler: [[MakeAnExampleOfThem declares the order]] to [[UpToEleven nuke the whole planet of 2 million people to death, rendering it uninhabitable]].]] Luckily, [[MagnificentBastard Oberstein]] has the whole thing recorded and broadcasts it to the whole Empire. [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating Even soldiers once loyal him immediately abandon him]], resulting in his eventual death and the loss of the Lippsadat League.

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* Ribbons in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'' blows up his own allies, and replaces them with worthless kamikaze machines, machines that are a complete waste of technology and time and seem to serve no purpose other to make him look even more evil for using such weapons. Most of the atrocities his puppets committed early in the second season season, including blowing up a country or two two, were committed [[ForTheEvulz for no solid reason]].
* Prince Braunschweig from ''Anime/LegendOfGalacticHeroes'' is an example when you put together a [[FeudalFuture corrupt nobility with a futuristic military]]. An example? When a protest breaks out on one of his planets, he immediately [[spoiler: [[MakeAnExampleOfThem [[spoiler:[[MakeAnExampleOfThem declares the order]] to [[UpToEleven nuke the whole planet of 2 million people to death, rendering it uninhabitable]].]] uninhabitable]]]]. Luckily, [[MagnificentBastard Oberstein]] has the whole thing recorded and broadcasts it to the whole Empire. [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating Even soldiers once loyal to him immediately abandon him]], resulting in his eventual death and the loss of the Lippsadat League.



** Zommari is similar, as he could have used his body controlling powers to off Byakuya with little effort, but was so full of himself and explained everything about his powers that he ended up dead. That whole battle was pretty stupid. Byakuya had shown himself to be perfectly capable of blocking Zommari's technique and using a power that the Espada had NO defense against. It took him literally losing an arm and a leg, and being forced to disarm himself before finally dropping the IdiotBall.
** Szayelapporo is pretty awful at this for a mad scientist. He doesn't seem to have bothered to even research the Captains, even though he could just ask Aizen, he invents a room that seals Bankai and deliberately turns it off to watch Renji try to beat the clones he's made with it, at which point Renji destroys his lab, and finally started eating strange people, which resulted in him being poisoned. It's also questionable why he makes mindless subordinates whom he can heal from by eating them when there's no conceivable reason he couldn't just make a pill, or something. [[FridgeBrilliance Then again, the aspect of death he embodies is ''madness'']].

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** Zommari is similar, as he could have used his body controlling body-controlling powers to off Byakuya with little effort, but was so full of himself and explained everything about his powers that he ended up dead. That whole battle was pretty stupid. Byakuya had shown himself to be perfectly capable of blocking Zommari's technique and using a power that the Espada had NO defense against. It took him literally losing an arm and a leg, leg and being forced to disarm himself before finally dropping the IdiotBall.
** Szayelapporo is pretty awful at this for a mad scientist. He doesn't seem to have bothered to even research the Captains, even though he could just ask Aizen, then he invents a room that seals Bankai and deliberately turns it off to watch Renji try to beat the clones he's made with it, at which point Renji destroys his lab, and finally started eating strange people, which resulted in him being poisoned. It's also questionable why he makes mindless subordinates whom he can heal from by eating them when there's no conceivable reason he couldn't just make a pill, or something. [[FridgeBrilliance Then again, the aspect of death he embodies is ''madness'']].is]] ''[[FridgeBrilliance madness]]''.



** The root of the Shinigami's beef with the Quincy is the fact that when Quincy destroyed Hollows with their powers, they completely obliterated the souls composing them, instead of purifying them the way Shinigami do. This screwed up the balance of souls, and would eventually lead to the destruction of both the World of the Living and the Soul Society. Even after being informed of this, the Quincy refused to stop their activities. Even Uryuu and his grandfather say that they kind of understand why the Shinigami tried to wipe them out. So far, it hasn't been cleared up why the Quincy are apparently unconcerned with the fact that the success of their goals would lead to the end of them and everything else. [[spoiler: It turns out the Emperor simply did not care, his powers actually work better with less souls to spread them to and he was really going to kill the Soul King.]]
* The buffoonish Genma of ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack'' has a scene where he uses his InstantArmor powers to dismantle a truck and then amuses himself by beating up the protagonist while transformed into a human mech. This wasn't the brightest idea for two reasons: First, the protagonist was interested in the MacGuffin in one of the trucks, and Genma [[NiceJobFixingItVillain showed him which was the decoy]]. Second, when the protagonist starts escaping, Genma's first reaction is to get in the truck to pursue him, but then he does an OhCrap when he remembers he just ''disassembled his mode of transportation''.

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** The root of the Shinigami's beef with the Quincy is the fact that when Quincy destroyed Hollows with their powers, they completely obliterated the souls composing them, instead of purifying them the way Shinigami do. This screwed up the balance of souls, and would eventually lead to the destruction of both the World of the Living and the Soul Society. Even after being informed of this, the Quincy refused to stop their activities. Even Uryuu and his grandfather say that they kind of understand why the Shinigami tried to wipe them out. So far, it hasn't been cleared up why the Quincy are apparently unconcerned with the fact that the success of their goals would lead to the end of them and everything else. [[spoiler: It [[spoiler:It turns out the Emperor simply did not care, his powers actually work better with less souls to spread them to and he was really going to kill the Soul King.]]
* The buffoonish Genma of ''Anime/DarkerThanBlack'' has a scene where he uses his InstantArmor powers to dismantle a truck and then amuses himself by beating up the protagonist while transformed into a human mech. This wasn't the brightest idea for two reasons: First, the protagonist was interested in the MacGuffin in one of the trucks, and Genma [[NiceJobFixingItVillain showed him which one was the decoy]]. Second, when the protagonist starts escaping, Genma's first reaction is to get in the truck to pursue him, but then he does an OhCrap when he remembers he just ''disassembled his mode of transportation''.



** Team Rocket, oh so very much. They're so dumbly obsessed with ''stealing'' valuable Pokémon that they haven't taken the time to even think about Meowth. ''A Pokémon that speaks human language fluently could be the single most valuable and useful Pokémon in existence'': He could solve countless problems between humans and Pokemon, and could give priceless insight on the behavior and mental abilities of every Pokemon to have ever lived (which, in a world with a culture so heavily ingrained with said creatures, would be a big deal). They would go down in history and be amongst the richest people on the planet if only they put Meowth to proper use instead of blindly chasing some kid and his Pikachu.

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** Team Rocket, oh so very much. They're so dumbly obsessed with ''stealing'' valuable Pokémon that they haven't taken the time to even think about Meowth. ''A Pokémon that speaks human language fluently could be the single most valuable and useful Pokémon in existence'': He could solve countless problems between humans and Pokemon, Pokémon, and could give priceless insight on the behavior and mental abilities of every Pokemon Pokémon to have ever lived (which, in a world with a culture so heavily ingrained with said creatures, would be a big deal). They would go down in history and be amongst the richest people on the planet if only they put Meowth to proper use instead of blindly chasing some kid and his Pikachu.



* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', both Lust and Envy fall into this, loving to inflict pain so much that they can't resist "twisting the knife" and antagonizing the heroes, even when it is [[TooDumbToLive foolish to do so.]] [[spoiler:This backfires on both of them when they do it to Mustang, while he kills Lust as cleanly as he can, he makes [[{{Sadist}} Envy]] suffer so much that it's [[DirtyCoward running and begging]] for its life before he's done with it.]]

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* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', both Lust and Envy fall into this, loving to inflict pain so much that they can't resist "twisting the knife" and antagonizing the heroes, even when it is [[TooDumbToLive foolish to do so.]] so]]. [[spoiler:This backfires on both of them when they do it to Mustang, Mustang; while he kills Lust as cleanly as he can, he makes [[{{Sadist}} Envy]] suffer so much that it's [[DirtyCoward running and begging]] for its life before he's done with it.]]



*** The regular Marik does something ''very'' stupid too (which was the biggest reason his SuperPoweredEvilSide took over in the first place). First he puts a counterfeit copy of The Winged Dragon of Ra in Rishid's deck (given the fact that every other minions who tested it died, it ''really'' wasn't smart to have such an important minion have one). Rishid is smart, knows that it would likely be dangerous to use it, and would have beaten Jonouchi without it, but when it seems likely that everyone will figure out that Rashid is acting as Marik's stand-in, Marik orders him to use it in order to cover up Marik's true identity. Rishid complies, and... it turns out Marik ''really'' should have listened to Rishid because the real Ra ended up destroying the fake copy along with both the duelists and Jounouchi managed to win when he shouldn't have...

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*** The regular Marik does something ''very'' stupid too (which was the biggest reason his SuperPoweredEvilSide took over in the first place). First First, he puts a counterfeit copy of The Winged Dragon of Ra in Rishid's deck (given the fact that every other minions minion who tested it died, it ''really'' wasn't smart to have such an important minion have one). Rishid is smart, knows that it would likely be dangerous to use it, and would have beaten Jonouchi without it, but when it seems likely that everyone will figure out that Rashid is acting as Marik's stand-in, Marik orders him to use it in order to cover up Marik's true identity. Rishid complies, and... it turns out Marik ''really'' should have listened to Rishid Rishid, because the real Ra ended up destroying the fake copy along with both the duelists and Jounouchi managed to win when he shouldn't have...



** Tron has a habit of giving his henchmen [[spoiler:who are ''his sons'', by the way]] cards that are too powerful for them to control, which cause disasters when played. The first example was when he gave IV a Spell Card called Flaming Hell Blessing to use in a duel against Rio Kamishiro; it won the duel for him, but it also caused a raging fire that destroyed the building they were in. Rio was in the hospital for months recovering; IV managed to get out [[spoiler:(carrying Rio to safety before she was killed)]] but not unscathed. The accident left a scar on his face that never healed.

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** Tron has a habit of giving his henchmen [[spoiler:who are ''his sons'', by the way]] cards that are too powerful for them to control, which cause disasters when played. The first example was when he gave IV a Spell Card called Flaming Hell Blessing to use in a duel against Rio Kamishiro; it won the duel for him, but it also caused a raging fire that destroyed the building they were in. Rio was in the hospital for months recovering; IV managed to get out [[spoiler:(carrying Rio to safety before she was killed)]] killed)]], but not unscathed. The accident left a scar on his face that never healed.



* ''Anime/YuYuHakusho'': During the [[TournamentArc Dark Tournament]], Elder Toguro could've killed Kuwabara with one attack and the latter wouldn't have even seen it coming. However, like so many other examples on this page, he decides to partake in a bit of sadism first by taunting Kuwabara about [[spoiler: the death of Genkai]]. This angers Kuwabara and gives him the strength boost needed to win the match.

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* ''Anime/YuYuHakusho'': During the [[TournamentArc Dark Tournament]], Elder Toguro could've killed Kuwabara with one attack and the latter wouldn't have even seen it coming. However, like so many other examples on this page, he decides to partake in a bit of sadism first by taunting Kuwabara about [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the death of Genkai]]. This angers Kuwabara and gives him the strength boost needed to win the match.



** Danzo does this as well. We find out he's being Kabuto's tragic backstory--Kabuto's adoptive mother was one of Dazo's best spies. Kabuto offered to act as his spy as well. Danzo used his safety to guarantee the mother's loyalty...while subtly altering the photographs he sent her of Kabuto so when she met her son as an adult she didn't recognize him. Wy didn't he want her to recognize him? Danzo hoped they'd kill each other because they were too knowledgeable as spies. Keep in mind that both were still totally loyal at this point and he had leverage on Kabuto's mother. Instead he just set off Kabuto's StartOfDarkness. So in the end he's out two spies and one has turned on the village.
* In ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'', Holy Emperor Souther specifically seeks after children to be slaves in the construction of his ostentatious Holy Cross Pyramid, even though he has absolutely no reason to exclusively pick weak, frail and malnourished kids (who are explicitly left to starve, sometimes while forced to watch him eat and waste entire fancy dinner banquets) for all the heavy work involved (while his mook are just standing there, flailing the kids every once in a while) other than to nail down the message that he's an evil asshole.
* ''Manga/FairyTail'': During the ''Nirvana'' arc, [[PoisonousPerson Cobra]] basically ''won'' his battle with Natsu despite his injuries and was set to deliver a fatal blow then and there. And yet [[BadBoss Brain]] ''still'' pulled a YouHaveFailedMe on him, even though he ''didn't fail'', apparently just because he didn't succeed ''well enough'' against a "real" Dragon Slayer. Granted, Brain made it clear he intended to {{brainwash}} Natsu to his side, but that was nothing that could have been accomplished just by telling Cobra "hey, stop". [[spoiler:Mentally gloating about how Cobra and the rest of Oracion Seis were just pawns to him didn't help matters either, and [[{{Timeskip}} seven years later]] Cobra paid him [[KarmicDeath fatally back]] after he got them all out of prison with the rest of the guild saying "good riddance"]].

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** Danzo does this as well. We find out he's being Kabuto's tragic backstory--Kabuto's backstory -- Kabuto's adoptive mother was one of Dazo's Danzo's best spies. Kabuto offered to act as his spy as well. Danzo used his safety to guarantee the mother's loyalty... while subtly altering the photographs he sent her of Kabuto so when she met her son as an adult adult, she didn't recognize him. Wy Why didn't he want her to recognize him? Danzo hoped they'd kill each other because they were too knowledgeable as spies. Keep in mind that both were still totally loyal at this point and he had leverage on Kabuto's mother. Instead he just set off Kabuto's StartOfDarkness. So in the end he's out two spies and one has turned on the village.
* In ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'', Holy Emperor Souther specifically seeks after children to be slaves in the construction of his ostentatious Holy Cross Pyramid, even though he has absolutely no reason to exclusively pick weak, frail frail, and malnourished kids (who are explicitly left to starve, sometimes while forced to watch him eat and waste entire fancy dinner banquets) for all the heavy work involved (while his mook mooks are just standing there, flailing the kids every once in a while) other than to nail down the message that he's an evil asshole.
* ''Manga/FairyTail'': During the ''Nirvana'' arc, [[PoisonousPerson Cobra]] basically ''won'' his battle with Natsu despite his injuries and was set to deliver a fatal blow then and there. And yet [[BadBoss Brain]] ''still'' pulled a YouHaveFailedMe on him, even though he ''didn't fail'', apparently just because he didn't succeed ''well enough'' against a "real" Dragon Slayer. Granted, Brain made it clear he intended to {{brainwash}} Natsu to his side, but that was nothing that could have been accomplished just by telling Cobra "hey, stop". [[spoiler:Mentally gloating about how Cobra and the rest of Oracion Seis were just pawns to him didn't help matters either, and [[{{Timeskip}} seven years later]] Cobra paid him [[KarmicDeath fatally back]] after he got them all out of prison prison, with the rest of the guild saying "good riddance"]].riddance".]]



** Anime only character [[SadistTeacher Mr Shu]] already have successfully prevented Chi Chi from finding out his sadistics acts towards her son Gohan while acting as a strict teacher by making himself as the victim and Gohan supposedly the perparator when the latter decides to fight back. But rather than continue capitalizing on this, immediately afterwards he decides to insult Goku, Chi Chi's husband mind you, mocking him as a failure and how he never acts like a family to them. He also decides to whip Gohan ''right in front of his mother'' which ended up making him the guilty one. No mother would want anyone who insults their family like that and that includes Chi Chi whom immediately after, drives him out of her house and to never come back again.
* ''Anime/FateStayNightUnlimitedBladeWorks'': Caster's first Master, Atrum Galliasta, brags about his alchemy workshop where he sacrifices several kidnapped girls to create magic crystals. Caster points out how inefficient and wasteful this is, demonstrates she can create much larger and powerful crystals at will, and requests that he close down the workshop and release the prisoners. He instead beats her up and mocks her, repeatedly calling her a witch (her BerserkButton). Although he was smart enough to use a Command Spell to order her not to kill him, she simply used her Rule Breaker to undo their contract, then she killed him.

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** Anime only Anime-only character [[SadistTeacher Mr Mr. Shu]] already have had successfully prevented Chi Chi from finding out about his sadistics sadistic acts towards her son Gohan while acting as a strict teacher by making himself out as the victim and Gohan supposedly the perparator when the latter decides to fight back. But rather than continue capitalizing on this, immediately afterwards afterwards, he decides to insult Goku, Goku -- Chi Chi's husband husband, mind you, you -- mocking him as a failure and how he never acts like a family to them. He also decides to whip Gohan ''right in front of his mother'' mother'', which ended up making him obviously the guilty one. No mother would want anyone who insults their family like that to stick around, and that includes Chi Chi Chi, whom immediately after, promptly drives him out of her house and tells him to never come back again.
* ''Anime/FateStayNightUnlimitedBladeWorks'': Caster's first Master, Atrum Galliasta, brags about his alchemy workshop where he sacrifices several kidnapped girls to create magic crystals. Caster points out how inefficient and wasteful this is, demonstrates she can create much larger and more powerful crystals at will, and requests that he close down the workshop and release the prisoners. He instead beats her up and mocks her, repeatedly calling her a witch (her BerserkButton). Although he was smart enough to use a Command Spell to order her not to kill him, she simply used her Rule Breaker to undo their contract, then ''then'' she killed him.



* The Devil in the DealWithTheDevil tends to do this a lot, but Mephisto is one of the worst. He tends to be both a [[LiteralGenie Literal]] and JerkassGenie to anyone he makes deals with, fulfilling the letter of a deal but then screwing the dealer in the process; this frequently costs him the soul he'd otherwise be able to easily get. Probably the example that most backfires for him is when he made a deal with [[Comicbook/GhostRider Johnny Blaze]] to save his adoptive father from an unspecified disease, only to get said father killed anyway. [[NiceJobFixingItVillain This ended up which turning Blaze into his]] ArchNemesis.

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* The Devil in the DealWithTheDevil tends to do this a lot, but Mephisto is one of the worst. He tends to be both a [[LiteralGenie Literal]] and JerkassGenie to anyone he makes deals with, fulfilling the letter of a deal but then screwing the dealer in the process; this frequently costs him the soul he'd otherwise be able to easily get. Probably the example that most backfires for him is when he made a deal with [[Comicbook/GhostRider Johnny Blaze]] to save his adoptive father from an unspecified disease, only to get said father killed anyway. [[NiceJobFixingItVillain This ended up which turning Blaze into his]] ArchNemesis.



* In ComicBook/CaptainAmerica's new title [[MilestoneCelebration (released for his 75th birthday)]] [[spoiler: the Red Skull befriends a little girl [[PhysicalGod who is actually]] [[RealityWarper an evolved Cosmic Cube]] (the one he used to own when she was just a cube). The guy now has the ability to alter reality any way he wants, in effect. But rather than change history so that, say, the Nazis won World War II something like that, he chooses to alter history so that Cap was his disciple, making Cap [[TheMole a sleeper agent]] and a loyal member of HYDRA. Seriously, he's ''that'' obsessed with revenge that he delays his chance to rule the world. (He also doesn't seem to realize that whatever the Cube does, she can just as easily undo, which she does when she discovers he's lying.)]]

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* In ComicBook/CaptainAmerica's new title [[MilestoneCelebration (released for his 75th birthday)]] [[spoiler: the birthday)]], [[spoiler:the Red Skull befriends a little girl [[PhysicalGod who is actually]] [[RealityWarper an evolved Cosmic Cube]] (the one he used to own when she was just a cube). The guy now effectively has the ability to alter reality any way he wants, in effect. wants. But rather than change history so that, say, the Nazis won World War II or something like that, he chooses to alter history so that Cap was his disciple, making Cap [[TheMole a sleeper agent]] and a loyal member of HYDRA. Seriously, he's ''that'' obsessed with revenge that he delays his chance to rule the world. (He also doesn't seem to realize that whatever the Cube does, she can just as easily undo, which she does when she discovers he's lying.)]]



* In ''ComicBook/{{Wanted}}'', the BigBad Mr. Rictus is proud to be this. When he takes over control of the Fraternity to blow the League of Supervillains' cover and start a new campaign of unremitted slaughter, the rest of the organization's heads warn him that it will bring the weight of every superhero in the multiverse to bear down on them. Rictus is delighted at this, for even if they lose he will have enjoyed the carnage.

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* In ''ComicBook/{{Wanted}}'', the BigBad Mr. Rictus is proud to be this. When he takes over control of the Fraternity to blow the League of Supervillains' cover and start a new campaign of unremitted slaughter, the rest of the organization's heads warn him that it will bring the weight of every superhero in the multiverse to bear down on them. Rictus is delighted at this, for even if they lose lose, he will have enjoyed the carnage.



* Belluzub in ''[[FanFic/StarWarsParanormalitiesTrilogy Star Wars: Paranormalities]]''. He's too intent on making his victims suffer to kill them quickly by simple means such as depressurizing a room [[BatmanCanBreatheInSpace when he can survive in vacuum]]. Zolph Vaelor lampshades this [[spoiler:both after trapping him in a force cage and after he gets out of it.]]

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* Belluzub in ''[[FanFic/StarWarsParanormalitiesTrilogy Star Wars: Paranormalities]]''. He's too intent on making his victims suffer to kill them quickly by simple means such as depressurizing a room [[BatmanCanBreatheInSpace when he can survive in vacuum]]. Zolph Vaelor lampshades this [[spoiler:both after trapping him in a force cage and after he gets out of it.]]it]].



* In ''FanFic/MegaManRecut'', Wily would be much more successful if he resisted the urge to be a dog-kicking jerk all the time. It's repeatedly lampshaded by Elec Man, who notes that Wily and the Robot Masters could easily just build weapons for the mob rather than trying to Take Over the World, and they would be much more well off.
* The ''Manga/LuckyStar'' fanfic ''Cries Unheard'' involves a few Yakuza boys who want to profit from an international arms deal that they need the company of Miyuki's father in order to carry out. They could have kept things as simple as taking Miyuki herself hostage, somewhere where her friends would never find her or her captors, when it was time to extort important information, and then eventually releasing her and disappearing without a trace once their goods were shipped out. Instead, they try to get said information from ''her'', as if she would even have that or know what goes on in the company, and abuse her friends (at least the ones they don't kill outright) until they either commit suicide or stay hidden from society. Way to create more work, leading to more people to break down lest they go to jail, until they'd have practically all of Japan to keep divided as they try to maintain their freedom (at least had Miyuki and Kagami not [[spoiler:killed them first]]). How they even pulled off earlier operations using this convoluted and increasingly risky method is anyone's guess.
* Beelzebub from ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' embodies this trope to a tee and [[KickTheDog kicks dogs]] as a profession, although the [[PragmaticVillainy vast]] [[LawfulEvil majority]] of his fellow Demons don't. One the other side, Allysion also embodies this trope and orders her Angels to kill the heroes and destroy that galaxy, even though several of her own servants like Jesus point out just how counterproductive it is.

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* In ''FanFic/MegaManRecut'', Wily would be much more successful if he resisted the urge to be a dog-kicking jerk all the time. It's repeatedly lampshaded by Elec Man, who notes that Wily and the Robot Masters could easily just build weapons for the mob rather than trying to Take Over the World, TakeOverTheWorld, and they would be much more well off.
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* The ''Manga/LuckyStar'' fanfic ''Cries Unheard'' involves a few Yakuza boys who want to profit from an international arms deal that they need the company of Miyuki's father in order to carry out. They could have kept things as simple as taking Miyuki herself hostage, somewhere where her friends would never find her or her captors, when it was time to extort important information, and then eventually releasing her and disappearing without a trace once their goods were shipped out. Instead, they try to get said information from ''her'', as if she would even have that or know what goes on in the company, and abuse her friends (at least the ones they don't kill outright) until they either commit suicide or stay hidden from society. Way to create more work, leading to causing more people to break down lest they go to jail, until they'd have practically all of Japan to keep divided as they try to maintain their freedom (at least had Miyuki and Kagami not [[spoiler:killed them first]]). How they even pulled off earlier operations using this convoluted and increasingly risky method is anyone's guess.
* Beelzebub from ''FanFic/SonicXDarkChaos'' embodies this trope to a tee and [[KickTheDog kicks dogs]] as a profession, although the [[PragmaticVillainy vast]] [[LawfulEvil majority]] of his fellow Demons don't. One the other side, Allysion Allysion, also embodies this trope and orders her Angels to kill the heroes and destroy that galaxy, even though several of her own servants servants, like Jesus Jesus, point out just how counterproductive it is.



** Particularly by [[Film/ResidentEvilExtinction the third film]], wherein [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the whole planet has been reduced to an arid desert]] by the ZombieApocalypse (somehow) and money no longer matters to the roving bands of survivors. Yet Umbrella keeps making new strains of the T-Virus to sell to... actually, the films ''never'' explain who they hope will buy the damn thing. It could at least be shakily [[JustifiedTrope justified]] in the previous films by concluding that, as in [[VideoGame/ResidentEvil the games]], Umbrella planned to sell the virus to bioterrorists, insurrectionists, or even warring nations, but who's left at this point? And even if such parties did still exist, who would want to TakeOverTheWorld in its current state? They DO explain at one point that they intend to refine the virus so that it can turn those that are already zombies into something resembling domesticated workhorses and stop them from eating people, which makes some sense. However, they are far too incompetent to ever pull that off.

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** Particularly by [[Film/ResidentEvilExtinction the third film]], wherein [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt the whole planet has been reduced to an arid desert]] by the ZombieApocalypse (somehow) and money no longer matters to the roving bands of survivors. Yet Umbrella keeps making new strains of the T-Virus to sell to... actually, the films ''never'' explain who they hope will buy the damn thing. It could at least be shakily [[JustifiedTrope justified]] in the previous films by concluding that, as in [[VideoGame/ResidentEvil the games]], Umbrella planned to sell the virus to bioterrorists, insurrectionists, or even warring nations, but who's left at this point? And even if such parties did still exist, who would want to TakeOverTheWorld in its current state? They DO ''do'' explain at one point that they intend to refine the virus so that it can turn those that are already zombies into something resembling domesticated workhorses and stop them from eating people, which makes some sense. However, they are far too incompetent to ever pull that off.



** And then it turns out on ''Film/ResidentEvilTheFinalChapter'' that, not unlike the original game series, [[spoiler:they produced the T-Virus and funded all of the crazy stuff that had appeared throughout the series (genocidal Artificial Intelligences, a virus with he capacity to destroy the world, cloning technology, cryogenics) in an attempt to take out mankind and have it be reborn for the corporation's executives to lord over [[AGodAmI as "gods"]].]] It says a lot that Umbrella's CEO [[spoiler:which was the woman that Alice was cloned from]] was not OK with the plan at all [[spoiler:so they froze her unwillingly so they would have free reign to execute it]] and accepted Alice's RoaringRampageOfRevenge as justice [[spoiler:even if it meant getting killed herself.]]

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** And then it turns out on in ''Film/ResidentEvilTheFinalChapter'' that, not unlike the original game series, [[spoiler:they produced the T-Virus and funded all of the crazy stuff that had appeared throughout the series (genocidal Artificial Intelligences, a virus with he capacity to destroy the world, cloning technology, cryogenics) in an attempt to take out mankind and have it be reborn for the corporation's executives to lord over [[AGodAmI as "gods"]].]] It says a lot that Umbrella's CEO [[spoiler:which [[spoiler:(who was the woman that Alice was cloned from]] from)]] was not OK with the plan at all all, [[spoiler:so they froze her unwillingly so they would have free reign to execute it]] it]], and she accepted Alice's RoaringRampageOfRevenge as justice [[spoiler:even if it meant getting killed herself.]]herself]].
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* In ''Film/TheDirtyDozen'', the dozen are proceeding with the infiltration of the German-occupied chateau in France, staffed by dozens of soldiers and generals and more reinforcements waiting nearby. Maggot, the most murderous member of the group, purposely sabotages the mission to take the opportunity to kill a German woman and tries to kill the rest of his team. He even urges the woman to scream in fear, alerting the Germans to his presence.

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* In ''Film/TheDirtyDozen'', the dozen are proceeding with the infiltration of the German-occupied chateau in France, staffed by dozens of soldiers and generals and more reinforcements waiting nearby. Maggot, [[TokenEvilTeammate the most murderous member of the group, group]], purposely sabotages the mission to take the opportunity to kill a German woman and tries to kill the rest of his team. He even urges the woman to scream in fear, alerting the Germans to his presence.
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